Thread 64219987

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>https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/us/navy-seal-north-korea-trump-2019.html
How a Top Secret SEAL Team 6 Mission Into North Korea Fell Apart

summary:
>inna 2019
>decide to plant eavesdropping device
>send in SEALs to supposedly-deserted beach in NK
>they fail to park the subs correctly
>SUDDENLY
>a wild NK fishing boat appears!
>it uses bow searchlight
>Seal Team 6 hoses the boat, killing all of Kim's slaves on that boat
>mission compromised
>back to the minisubs
>device not planted

>>64219987 (OP)
>A group of Navy SEALs emerged from the ink-black ocean on a winter night in early 2019 and crept to a rocky shore in North Korea. They were on a top secret mission so complex and consequential that everything had to go exactly right.

>The objective was to plant an electronic device that would let the United States intercept the communications of North Korea’s reclusive leader, Kim Jong-un, amid high-level nuclear talks with President Trump.

>The mission had the potential to provide the United States with a stream of valuable intelligence. But it meant putting American commandos on North Korean soil — a move that, if detected, not only could sink negotiations but also could lead to a hostage crisis or an escalating conflict with a nuclear-armed foe.

>It was so risky that it required the president’s direct approval.

>For the operation, the military chose SEAL Team 6’s Red Squadron — the same unit that killed Osama bin Laden.

>The SEALs rehearsed for months, aware that every move needed to be perfect.

>But when they reached what they thought was a deserted shore that night, wearing black wet suits and night-vision goggles, the mission swiftly unraveled.

>A North Korean boat appeared out of the dark. Flashlights from the bow swept over the water. Fearing that they had been spotted, the SEALs opened fire. Within seconds, everyone on the North Korean boat was dead.

>The SEALs retreated into the sea without planting the listening device.

lol mutts are so arrogant for thinking they can pull off spec ops in north korea

>The 2019 operation has never been publicly acknowledged, or even hinted at, by the United States or North Korea. The details remain classified and are being reported here for the first time. The Trump administration did not notify key members of Congress who oversee intelligence operations, before or after the mission. The lack of notification may have violated the law.

>The White House declined to comment.

>This account is based on interviews with two dozen people, including civilian government officials, members of the first Trump administration and current and former military personnel with knowledge of the mission. All of them spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the mission’s classified status.

>Several of those people said they were discussing details about the mission because they were concerned that Special Operations failures are often hidden by government secrecy. If the public and policymakers become aware only of high-profile successes, such as the raid that killed bin Laden in Pakistan, they may underestimate the extreme risks that American forces undertake.

>The military operation on North Korean soil, close to American military bases in South Korea and the Pacific region, also risked setting off a broader conflict with a hostile, nuclear-armed and highly militarized adversary.

>The New York Times proceeds cautiously when reporting on classified military operations. The Times has withheld some sensitive information on the North Korea mission that could affect future Special Operations and intelligence-gathering missions.

>It is unclear how much North Korea was able to discover about the mission. But the SEAL operation is one chapter in a decades-long effort by U.S. administrations to engage North Korea and constrain its nuclear weapons programs. Almost nothing the United States has tried — neither promises of closer relations nor the pressure of sanctions — has worked.

>>64219987 (OP)
here's the archived link
https://archive.is/Ga9Ox

>64220004
If this one is in the news because it fucked up because of bad luck, you can bet there are at least ten others that succeeded and will never be learned of by the public, or by the North Koreans.

>>64220014
>Insert that bomber hit diagram

>In 2019, Mr. Trump was making a personalized overture to Mr. Kim, in search of a breakthrough that had eluded prior presidents. But those talks collapsed, and North Korea’s nuclear program accelerated. The U.S. government estimates that North Korea now has roughly 50 nuclear weapons and missiles that can reach the West Coast. Mr. Kim has pledged to keep expanding his nuclear program “exponentially” to deter what he calls U.S. provocations.

Blind Spots

>The SEAL mission was intended to fix a strategic blind spot. For years, U.S. intelligence agencies had found it nearly impossible to recruit human sources and tap communications in North Korea’s insular authoritarian state.

>Gaining insight into Mr. Kim’s thinking became a high priority when Mr. Trump first took office. The North Korean leader seemed increasingly unpredictable and dangerous, and his relationship with Mr. Trump had lurched erratically between letters of friendship and public threats of nuclear war.

>In 2018, relations seemed to be moving toward peace. North Korea suspended nuclear and missile tests, and the two countries opened negotiations, but the United States still had little insight into Mr. Kim’s intentions.

>Amid the uncertainty, U.S. intelligence agencies revealed to the White House that they had a fix for the intelligence problem: a newly developed electronic device that could intercept Mr. Kim’s communications.

>The catch was that someone had to sneak in and plant it.

>>64220010
>>It is unclear how much North Korea was able to discover about the mission.
Zionists spies warned them in exchange for money.
Now it is being leaked in exchange for money.
>Money talks

>>64219987 (OP)
Weapons?

>The job was given to SEAL Team 6 in 2018, military officials said.

>Even for Team 6, the mission would be extraordinarily difficult. SEALs who were more used to quick raids in places like Afghanistan and Iraq would have to survive for hours in frigid seas, slip past security forces on land, perform a precise technical installation and then get out undetected.

>Getting out undetected was vital. In Mr. Trump’s first term, top leaders in the Pentagon believed that even a small military action against North Korea could provoke catastrophic retaliation from an adversary with roughly 8,000 artillery pieces and rocket launchers aimed at the approximately 28,000 American troops in South Korea, and nuclear-capable missiles that could reach the United States.

>But the SEALs believed they could pull off the mission because they had done something like it before.

>In 2005, SEALs used a mini-sub to go ashore in North Korea and leave unnoticed, according to people familiar with the mission. The 2005 operation, carried out during the presidency of George W. Bush, has never before been reported publicly.

>The SEALs were proposing to do it again. In the fall of 2018, while high-level talks with North Korea were underway, Joint Special Operations Command, which oversees Team 6, received approval from Mr. Trump to start preparing, military officials said. It is unclear whether Mr. Trump’s intent was to gain an immediate advantage during negotiations or if the focus was broader.
Joint Special Operations Command declined to comment.

>The plan called for the Navy to sneak a nuclear-powered submarine, nearly two football fields long, into the waters off North Korea and then deploy a small team of SEALs in two mini-subs, each about the size of a killer whale, that would motor silently to the shore.

>The mini-subs were wet subs, which meant the SEALs would ride immersed in 40-degree ocean water for about two hours to reach the shore, using scuba gear and heated suits to survive.

bumping your thread with exerpts from the article you linked is low-quality posting

>>64220014
hahahaha keep dreaming.
North Korea literally tested their first hydrogen bomb during Trump's first term

>>64220025
>SEALs breaking into North Korea in minisubs and killing everyone on a boat before fucking off
There's like 50 different /k/-approved things to discuss here.

>>64220025
>>64220032
How come none of you faggots ever complain in threads about Ukraine? what about this hilarious failure by America is annoying to you?

>>64220035
>1960s tech 60 years later
wow!

>Near the beach, the mini-subs would release a group of about eight SEALs who would swim to the target, install the device and then slip back into the sea.
But the team faced a serious limitation: It would be going in almost blind.

>Typically, Special Operations forces have drones overhead during a mission, streaming high-definition video of the target, which SEALs on the ground and senior leaders in far-off command centers can use to direct the strike in real time. Often, they can even listen in on enemy communications.

>But in North Korea, any drone would be spotted. The mission would have to rely on satellites in orbit and high-altitude spy planes in international airspace miles away that could provide only relatively low-definition still images, officials said. Those images would arrive not in real time, but after a delay of several minutes at best. Even then, they could not be relayed to the mini-subs because a single encrypted transmission might give the mission away. Everything had to be done under a near blackout of communications.

>If anything awaited the SEALs on shore, they might not know until it was too late.

lol norks are so arrogant for thinking they can pull off spec ops in ukraine

>>64220041
all those successful spec ops mission in north korea and none of them have stopped north koreans from developing icbms and nukes.
hilarious.

The Operation Unravels

>SEAL Team 6 practiced for months in U.S. waters and continued preparations into the first weeks of 2019. That February, Mr. Trump announced that he would meet Mr. Kim for a nuclear summit in Vietnam at the end of the month.

>For the mission, SEAL Team 6 partnered with the Navy’s premier underwater team, SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 1, which had been doing mini-sub espionage for years. The SEALs boarded the nuclear-powered submarine and headed for North Korea. When the submarine was in the open ocean, and about to enter a communications blackout, Mr. Trump gave the final go-ahead.

>It is unclear what factors Mr. Trump weighed when approving the SEAL mission. Two of his top national security officials at that time — his national security adviser, John Bolton, and the acting defense secretary, Patrick M. Shanahan — declined to comment for this article.

>The submarine neared the North Korean coast and launched two mini-subs, which motored to a spot about 100 yards from shore, in clear shallow water.

>Mission planners had tried to compensate for having no live overhead video by spending months watching how people came and went in the area. They studied fishing patterns and chose a time when boat traffic would be scant. The intelligence suggested that if SEALs arrived silently in the right location in the dead of night in winter, they would be unlikely to encounter anyone.

it's too bad they had to abandon the mission so early. otherwise we would have had about a dozen SEAL deaths to laugh about.

>The night was still and the sea was calm. As the mini-subs glided toward the target, their sensors suggested that the intelligence was correct. The shore appeared to be empty.

>The mini-subs reached the spot where they were supposed to park on the sea floor. There, the team made what may have been the first of three small mistakes that seemed inconsequential at the time but may have doomed the mission.

>In the darkness, the first mini-sub settled on the sea floor as planned, but the second overshot the mark and had to do a U-turn, officials said.

>The plan called for the mini-subs to park facing the same way, but after the second sub doubled back, they were pointing in opposite directions. Time was limited, so the group decided to release the shore team and correct the parking issue later.
Sliding doors on the subs opened, and the SEALs — all gripping untraceable weapons loaded with untraceable ammunition — swam silently underwater to shore with the listening device.

>Every few yards, the SEALs peeked above the black water to scan their surroundings. Everything seemed clear.

>That might have been a second mistake. Bobbing in the darkness was a small boat. On board was a crew of North Koreans who were easy to miss because the sensors in the SEALs’ night-vision goggles were designed in part to detect heat, and the wet suits the Koreans wore were chilled by the cold seawater.

>The SEALs reached shore thinking they were alone, and started to remove their diving gear. The target was only a few hundred yards away.

>Back at the mini-subs, the pilots repositioned the sub that was facing the wrong way. With the sliding cockpit doors open for visibility and communication, a pilot revved the electric motor and brought the sub around.

>That was probably a third mistake. Some SEALs speculated afterward in briefings that the motor’s wake might have caught the attention of the North Korean boat.

>>64220049
How would that even work? Just rambo through the whole country and press the red self destruct button on the nuclear facility?

>>64220022
>Pidorashistan spies warned them in exchange for money.
Now it is being leaked in exchange for money

Ftfy pidor-kun

>The boat started moving toward the mini-subs. The North Koreans were shining flashlights and talking as if they had noticed something.

>Some of the mini-sub pilots told officials in debriefings afterward that from their vantage point, looking up through the clear water, the boat still seemed to be a safe distance away and they had doubted that the mini-subs had been spotted. But the SEALs at the shore saw it differently. In the dark, featureless sea, the boat to them seemed to be practically on top of the mini-subs.

>With communications blacked out, there was no way for the shore team to confer with the mini-subs. Lights from the boat swept over the water. The SEALs didn’t know if they were seeing a security patrol on the hunt for them or a simple fishing crew oblivious to the high-stakes mission unfolding around them.

>A man from the North Korean boat splashed into the sea.

>If the shore team got into trouble, the nuclear-powered sub had a group of SEAL reinforcements standing by with inflatable speedboats. Farther offshore, stealth rotary aircraft were positioned on U.S. Navy ships with even more Special Operations troops, ready to sweep in if needed.

>The SEALs faced a critical decision, but there was no way to discuss the next move. The mission commander was miles away on the big submarine. With no drones and a communications blackout, many of the technological advantages that the SEALs normally relied on had been stripped away, leaving a handful of men in wet neoprene, unsure of what to do.

>As the shore team watched the North Korean in the water, the senior enlisted SEAL at the shore chose a course of action. He wordlessly centered his rifle and fired. The other SEALs instinctively did the same.

Compromise and Escape

>If the SEALs were unsure whether the mission had been compromised before they fired, they had no doubt afterward.

>The plan required the SEALs to abort immediately if they encountered anyone. North Korean security forces could be coming. There was no time to plant the device.

>The shore team swam to the boat to make sure that all of the North Koreans were dead. They found no guns or uniforms. Evidence suggested that the crew, which people briefed on the mission said numbered two or three people, had been civilians diving for shellfish. All were dead, including the man in the water.

>Officials familiar with the mission said the SEALs pulled the bodies into the water to hide them from the North Korean authorities. One added that the SEALs punctured the boat crew’s lungs with knives to make sure their bodies would sink.

>The SEALs swam back to the mini-subs and sent a distress signal. Believing the SEALs were in imminent danger of capture, the big nuclear submarine maneuvered into shallow water close to the shore, taking a significant risk to pick them up. It then sped toward the open ocean.

>All the U.S. military personnel escaped unharmed.

>Immediately afterward, U.S. spy satellites detected a surge of North Korean military activity in the area, U.S. officials said. North Korea did not make any public statements about the deaths, and U.S. officials said it was unclear whether the North Koreans ever pieced together what had happened and who was responsible.

>The nuclear summit in Vietnam went ahead as planned at the end of February 2019, but the talks quickly ended with no deal.

>By May, North Korea had resumed missile tests.

>Mr. Trump and Mr. Kim met once more that June in the Demilitarized Zone between North and South Korea. It made for dramatic television, with Mr. Trump even stepping across into North Korea. But the brief meeting yielded little more than a handshake.

>In the months that followed, North Korea fired more missiles than in any previous year, including some capable of reaching the United States. Since then, the United States estimates, North Korea has amassed 50 nuclear warheads and material to produce about 40 more.


Uneven Track Record

>The aborted SEAL mission prompted a series of military reviews during Mr. Trump’s first term. They found that the killing of civilians was justified under the rules of engagement, and that the mission was undone by a collision of unfortunate occurrences that could not have been foreseen or avoided. The findings were classified.

>The Trump administration never told leaders of key committees in Congress that oversee military and intelligence activities about the operation or the findings, government officials said. In doing so, the Trump administration may have violated federal law, said Matthew Waxman, a law professor at Columbia University who served in national security positions under former President George W. Bush.

>Mr. Waxman said the law has gray areas that give presidents some leeway on what they tell Congress. But on more consequential missions, the burden leans more toward notification.

>"The point is to ensure that Congress isn’t kept in the dark when major stuff is going on,” Mr. Waxman said. “This is exactly the kind of thing that would normally be briefed to the committees and something the committees would expect to be told about.”

>Many of the people involved in the mission were later promoted.

>But the episode worried some experienced military officials with knowledge of the mission, because the SEALs have an uneven track record that for decades has largely been concealed by secrecy.

>Elite Special Operations units are regularly assigned some of the most difficult and dangerous tasks. Over the years, the SEALs have had a number of major successes, including hits on terrorist leaders, high-profile rescues of hostages and the takedown of bin Laden, that have built an almost superhuman public image.

>But among some in the military who have worked with them, the SEALs have a reputation for devising overly bold and complex missions that go badly. Team 6’s debut mission, which was part of the U.S. invasion of Grenada in 1983, is a case in point.

>The plan was to parachute into the sea, race to the coast in speedboats and plant beacons to guide assault forces to the island’s airport. But the SEALs’ plane took off late; they jumped at night and landed in stormy conditions, weighed down by heavy gear. Four SEALs drowned, and the rest swamped their speedboats.

>The airfield was later seized by Army Rangers who parachuted directly onto the airfield.

>Since then, SEALs have mounted other complex and daring missions that unraveled, in Panama, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia. During a rescue mission in Afghanistan in 2010, Team 6 SEALs accidentally killed a hostage they were trying to rescue with a grenade and then misled superiors about how she had died.

>In part because of this track record, President Barack Obama curtailed Special Operations missions late in his second term and increased oversight, reserving complex commando raids for extraordinary situations like hostage rescues.

>The first Trump administration reversed many of those restrictions and cut the amount of high-level deliberation for sensitive missions. A few days after taking office in 2017, Mr. Trump skipped over much of the established deliberative process to greenlight a Team 6 raid on a village in Yemen. That mission left 30 villagers and a SEAL dead and destroyed a $75 million stealth aircraft.

>When President Joseph R. Biden Jr. succeeded Mr. Trump, the gravity of the North Korea mission attracted renewed scrutiny. Mr. Biden’s defense secretary, Lloyd J. Austin III, ordered an independent investigation, conducted by the lieutenant general in charge of the Army inspector general’s office.

>In 2021, the Biden administration briefed key members of Congress on the findings, a former government official said.

>Those findings remain classified.

>>64219987 (OP)
damn Americans are pathetic, good job kill those fishers, home of the free

>>64220046
>if onry i courd have prevented dis,,,

>>64220108
You can't even speak engrish, ling ling

>>64220108
implessive, velly nice

So let's recap:
>SEALs park the wrong way
>freak out and shoot boat prematurely
Why were special ops so impatient? Don't shoot until you hear shouts at least IMO

>>64219987 (OP)
WELL FUCK
>delete novel draft

>>64220184
If you wait to hear shouts then it goes from clusterfuck failure to clusterfuck failure with a dozen casualties and congressional hearing

>>64220058
>all gripping untraceable weapons loaded with untraceable ammunition
Does this just mean that they have no serial numbers? God I hate journos.

This failure aside, it's cool that amphibious/land infiltration missions are still a thing. Replaying MGSV rn.

>>64220106
NYT just can't stop glazing The Black President

>>64220265
He does seem more measured and less impulsive than the current POTUS.

>>64220271
Lol, droner in chief who hamfisted a bazillion EOs

>>64220271
He does seem to have done fuck-all other than being Black.

I just don't believe this, seems like seal podcast tour slop

If all the details are accurate, it really just seems like they had bad luck and maybe could’ve used a bit more practice with the equipment. Hopefully they’ve now gotten more training in these types of operations so a similar thing doesn’t happen again.

>>64220285
It was plain bad luck but the article is not so subtly cast as
>LOOK ORANGE MAN BAD AND RECKLESS
>LOOK BLACK MAN AND SENILE MAN RESPONSIBLE AND CAREFUL

fuck knows I hate Trump but even a child could see this

>>64220285
no they wouldn't have succeeded anyway.
Americans should stick to blowing up 70 IQ Arabs and Somalis, that's all they're good at.

>>64220010
>constrain its nuclear weapons programs
what for? so USA can do with them whatever USA wants?

>>64220291
The author probably can't imagine military operations in a non-political context.

Not an American and I dislike your culture war shit, but you should genuinely cultivate dissent against Trump and his people through various MSM and non-MSM outlets in a sensible and collected manner. The Annoying Orange is dragging your country and the rest of the civilized world into the gutter, and it's facilitated by your conspiracy nutters and other Glavset assets.
Hey, at least you know democracy works.

>>64220314
>I hate culture wars but *Insert culture war talking point*

>>64220314
nobody is gonna speak up until after the midterms because they don't want to get replaced with a red hat

>>64220319
All we need right now is a more-or-less normal neoliberal West that doesn't cuck out to tinpot dictatorships. What's fucked in your culture war is the 'side' that leans more towards normal social values doesn't want this (and currently with Trump is extremely tasteless and ignorant, and not the best weapons-wise), and the 'side' that allows it is batshit insane socially. This is the culture war that the rest of the world doesn't like.

>>64220328
We cant get that because the neoliberals want open borders so stonks go up.

>>64220328
^ he's not wrong desu
In a nutshell I think so too

But neither was
>>64220319

>>64220299
No other nation in the world could’ve launched an operation like this

>>64219987 (OP)
>historic nuclear weapons summit with an unstable dictatorial shithole
>trump orders extremely risky glownigger operation immediately before it


Is this nigger retarded

>>64220339
>ook ook I nook

>>64220339
The operation didn't happen until after the summit

>>64220082
No compensation for the families of the murdered men?

>>64220358
The North Koreans pulled shit like this all the time in the past, including kidnapping random Japanese civilians. It's actually insane if you haven't heard about it before. Fuck em
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens

>>64220037
Ok so a nogunz muh speshul forces thread. Not weapons.
>>>/pol/

>>64220314
>The author probably can't imagine military operations in a non-political context.

Probably because all military action is political, genius.

>>64220371
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megumi_Yokota
Kidnapping 13yo students just like in my animes.

>>64220326
Which is why it's important to disillusion voters through various methods before then. It's just how you do campaigning in the internet and post-truth era. You don't even need to attack the idea of the Republican party directly (even if it's dominated by Trump's people like a fucking junta), just get people to dislike the man and perhaps make another impeachment feasible after the mid-terms.

>>64220331
>>64220333
This doesn't have to be the case. You can fix it all without POTUS painting the Oval Office gold, defunding NASA, and firing dissidents, and without importing millions of brown people and turning them gay.

>>64220374
Sure, but the success or failure of a military operation beyond the decision to undertake it isn't directly determined by which retard happens to be commander-in-chief. The article should have been split into two sections, but that would be worse for reader retention and the overall goal of the article.

>>64220328
>more-or-less normal neoliberal West that doesn't cuck out to tinpot dictatorships
Can't happen. Most of the West wants a 'soft power' approach to dictatorships that involves public shaming and economic sanctions completely at odds with free market liberals that are running the show.

>>64220397
>free market liberals that are running the show
>meanwhile peacetime government employment has never been higher
You're deluded by memes and repeating bullshit without looking up the figures

>>64220397
Retvrn to colonialism.

>>64219987 (OP)
that totally happened, a LMG destroyed a trawler in seconds like in my favorite video game G.T.A leaving absolutely no evidence, then the norks said nothing out of embarrassment

>>64220453
It's not entirely impossible they didn't even know this happened until just now. The article states they purposefully stabbed out their lungs so the bodies wouldn't be found. It does mention the North Koreans investigating in the area but if they never found the bodies it'd be hard for them to say much of anything. They wouldn't know whether to blame the US or South Korea

>thread about a classified seal op written about by NY times based on interviews
>we are careful about reporting blah blah blah anyways here's why Galumpf is bad and crazy
>Yuroshitter talking about how Trump needas to be impeached because some yuroshitter reason about things that don't matter to Americans
>hurr durr like 50 things relevant to /k/!
>zero discussed
>lots of geopolitical wank
Kek that one anon that called this crap thread out as /pol/ b8 was spot on

You can tell the story is true because it describes SEALS mutilating the corpse of a noncombatant for pretextual reasons.

Decades of the War on Terror and the only real proficiency our most elite operators have acquired is "night raids" on undefended residential buildings and doing heroic quantities of drugs.

>>64220518
retard

>>64220233
It means chinese AKs.
>>64220091
>They found that the killing of civilians was justified under the rules of engagement

>We killed your husband, desecrated and hid his body, in a way you will never be able to tell your children if he is dead or a traitor.
>After a review we found ourselves justified because we didn't expect to meet him.

>>64220551
Maybe you should copypaste another nytimes article about a military op and we can all sit around crying about Trump lol

>>64219987 (OP)
strongman president of peace btw

>>64220518
>we are careful about reporting blah blah blah anyways here's why Galumpf is bad and crazy
I do not think at any point they even implied this you terminally contrarian butthurt moron

>>64220574
He's not OP (I am)
Maybe trying reading the article before raving about those big ol' city slickers at the NYT you've heard so much about (but never actually investigated for yourself because youre a close-minded tard who does as he's told).
Think about it this way: a broken clock is right twice a day, yeah?

>still screeching about copypasting the article into the thread
its called effortposting around the paywall in case the archive shits itself. Also I like it

So with one hand they pretend to negotiate with you but with the other they send commandos to violate your country and spy on you? It’s no wonder they don’t trust the US you’d be a full to trust them. Has the US ever considered honest diplomacy m?

Does anyone have a legit source for this? By that I mean not from a "Trump bad" propaganda factory.

>>64220659
>Does anyone have a more inclusive source? The lack of affirmation in this article is really triggering.

>>64220039
Ignore these crying man-children. I'm about as red blooded as an American can get and I love this sort of content. I don't know why you think this has anything to do with Ukraine though. That's a bit weird.

>>64220004
little thirdie baby can’t read a short article? Little thirdie didn’t read that we’ve been doing SR missions in norkland for almost 20 years?
Poor lil guy can’t read

>>64220025
>untraceable guns used in op
Almost certainly had the seals using russian weapons and gear

>>64220706
>stealth European politics post
>>>/pol/

>>64219987 (OP)
The NY Times is no longer a reputable source for anything.
Enjoy your sѹbrained "sources familiar with" fiction.

>>64220299
This is literally just Operation Ivy Bells 2.0, Ivy Bells was wildly successful until the existence of the tap was revealed by a hook nosed tribesman from "our greatest ally".

Sounds like the senior chief spent too much time in the desert. The SDU crews are also armed, and had a better view of what was happening. Should have been in the briefing who would initiate an ambush in various conditions. Also weird they didn't just string commo wire between at least the landing party and the SDVs.

>>64220729
Jesus, you trumpy retards really are fucking snowflakes. Calm down and get control of your emotions.

>>64219987 (OP)

So, they basically went to NK to kill a bunch of poor guys doing their job.

All the US might and they couldn't check with a satellite the position of a fucking patrol boat to time the landing right.

Fucking lame as it gets. The worst part is that they are going to do 2000 podcast, 300 books and 30 movies bragging about this "mission".

Shawn Ryan is going to almost cry about how God saved them and it was all Obama's fault while interviewing the operators.

>>64220781
Maga is just wokism reactionary retardation with a different coat of paint. Their ideas probably originated in the same fucking troll farm.

>>64220773
Ronald Pelton was a normal guy. He sold out the operation and defected for 3 months' wages.

>>64220074
>Farther offshore, stealth rotary aircraft were positioned on U.S. Navy ships with even more Special Operations troops, ready to sweep in if needed.

Stealth what

>>64220826
Ok James Lindsay

>>64220694
Only reason why you put up with that amateur article is because it affirms your political opinions.

>>64220395
If you dont want right wing populist reactionaries try winning back White Men.

This thread could have been interesting, but alas, the MIGApedes, Russian trolls, and North Korean trolls got to it first

Sahme the TDS morons ruined this thread.

>>64220838
Cope and seethe, brown child. Maga will be remembered as that one time we all listened to those fucking weirdos and immediately regretted it. Same as wokism rightfully will be remembered.

>>64220837
Just those body kit Blackhawks. It's not uncommon to get a det of 160th guys on a DDG. Kind of a problem in this situation though because every time I saw that happen we had both birds embarked so couldnt put the army birds in the hanger. I don't even think their Gucci 60s can fold up like our autistic ones. So if the opfor has any overhead surveillance at all, it's going to be pretty obvious you're up to some kind of fuckery.

>>64220882
You're irrelevant and wont be remembered at all outside of being a cryptoleftist.

>>64220889
Yes, supporting the return of colonialism is leftism. I am found out. Fucking retard.

>>64219987 (OP)
Wouldn’t planting wiretaps be the jobs of regular spies instead of operators?

>>64220885
were yours stealthed up like the Osama Blackhawk or just regular Blackhawks?

if you can't tell us, wink ... --- ...

>>64220906
Yeah but NK is basically impossible to infiltrate through regular means so that's out. And this is pretty similar to a famous wiretap thing the SSNs/SEALs/Bell Labs pulled off during the cold war so they probably thought they could pull it off again

>>64220929
They did it in 2009 and it hints at more being done recently. Did you even read

>>64220921
Pretty much regular although I'm not an expert. They looked like regular black Hawks to me, except they had fully removed all the doors (including the pilots side doors) and obviously it had no markings on it besides some masking tape making a number on the tail. The first time they were shuffling around an ODA somewhere in Mindinao, which we knew because we would occasionally get a NGS fire mission from the green beret guys. Second time off Somalia we didn't have any contact with whatever they were doing ashore so no idea really. The 160th guys were cool as hell.

>>64220929
And they would've if not for a random fishing boat that happened to be there that night. This isn't really that big of a fuck up shit just happens sometimes that's out of anyone's control

>>64220950
>Mindinao, which we knew because we would occasionally get a NGS fire mission
for... for training, right?!

>>64220004
well this didn't come out for six years and only became known because of US newspaper. no indication that the nork government even knew about it LMAO.

>>64220895
You're incomprehensible

>>64220966
The Norks prob though the fishermen tried to escape and killed 3 generations of their relatives too.

>>64220966
>no indication that the nork government even knew about it LMAO
you've been mindfucked by Anglos and their law of evidence
learn the way of the turdie, mein freund:
>what, a boatful of fisherman near the DMZ were randomly shot and stabbed?!
>IT MUST BE THE PERFIDIOUS AMERICANS!

>>64220971
nta but it's completely reasonable to dislike trump and his policies without sucking a mile of rainbow dicks

>>64220374
No way, shooting people is just cool and fun

>>64220961
Lol no. Operating out of Cebu skeeting HE-CVT all over the M.I.L.F. back when Duerte was the governor or whatever they call it there of Cebu before he became president. Shit was the wild west, good times.

>>64220986
Yes, but you're talking about Schizo James Lindsay ideas who cried about the woke right

>>64219987 (OP)
>link to a paywall
great job OP, screencap or I'm calling you a faggot

>>64220992
I'm not talking about that and have no idea who that is, I'm just making an observation. did you miss the "nta" part of my post or something?

>>64220958
>This isn't really that big of a fuck up shit just happens sometimes that's out of anyone's control


Not saying I would have done better, but a random fishing boat is the exact kind of risk you account for on a mission like this. They either had no way to mitigate the risk, or just said fuck it and accepted the risk. Kinda sucks that some random Nork fisherman had to get hosed for it lol

>>64220990
>skeeting HE-CVT all over the M.I.L.F.
holy fuck
nobody's talked about that though

>>64220994
newfags cant into archive
sad zoomers are used to having everything spoonfed to them without an ounce of embarrassment at proclaiming their deficiencies

OP here, ignore the screechers. This is a pretty interesting and on-topic.

Some questions I have
1. Why was the minisub unable to orient itself correctly despite being under the control of a seasoned operator?
I recall reading somewhere that the tides around much of the Korean Peninsula are kind of hellish.
2. What guns were they loaded out with? Did they have cans, given the nature of the OP? >>64220554 said Chinese AKs and I am inclined to agree.
3. The article states
>a newly developed electronic device
What was it?
Where was it going to be planted?
What cutting edge /g/ shit suddenly made it worth the risk?

>>64220877
>Sahme [sic] the TDS morons ruined this thread.
>literally no one mentioned Trump except one or two autists who didn't read the article and are claiming persecution based on nothing
NTA but stop trying to derail, jesus fucking christ

>>64220889
>You're irrelevant and wont be remembered at all outside of being a cryptoleftist.
NTA seriously why are you relentlessly shitting up this thread?
The article didn't even disparage Trump, show me where it did. You just came out swinging because you don't actually want to discuss anything. You just want to call names and cry and generally be a toxic retard instead of talking about WEAPONS. Fuck off back where you came from.

>>64220992
>woke right
wtf does that even mean. I was the anon, im saying that maga is the same purity spiral shit that wokism is for the left, pushed onto the same kind of people that cant go without listening to the same style of shithead podcasts for the newest thing to change their values on to suit the spiral's needs.

>>64220994
Two things:
1. I posted the entire article you dumb fuck
2. see >>64220012

>>64221003
Surely Nork fisherman are indoctrinated. They are one of the highest groups at risk of fleeing and getting away with it. Presumably all their fishermen are semi militarized with Comissars.

>>64221019
2. no, almost certainly russian equipment

>>64221030
>they were indoctrinated because
Stop accepting something of questionable morality and then working your way backwards. Otherwise you end up with nothing ever being unjustified.
>if they didn't want to be blown up they should have evacuated to us
>those kids *could* have grown up to be enemies
>those doctors/nurses *could* have patched up enemy combatants
We have rules of war to specifically avoid this sort of bullshit, and to contrast us with our enemies.
Honestly killing those fisherman was kind of shitty, I obviously prefer it to our guys getting fucked but its not good optics. It's not what we stand for.
I mean, how would you like it if you're a malnourished peasant trying to make ends meet for your family, when someone giant commando supersoldier blasts you out of the darkness? All for the crime of trying to feed and provide for your family?
And here's something you may not have considered: what if the state security forces assumed, in the absence of bodies, that they defected, and then iced their families?

>>64221020
>woke this, woke that
I would be sooooo happy if I never ever heard that word again, and if a time machine was built specifically so I could go back in time and abort whoever coined it before they were born.

>>64221062
I don't get what you're trying to say. The other anon probably meant that defection might not be the Nork government's first guess, especially in such an exciting time, because the fishermen are likely indoctrinated. That doesn't mean they're good or even valid targets necessarily, just that it might launch a Nork investigation because it would be considered suspicious.

>>64220039
People constantly complain in/about ukraine threads. The reddit tourists just call them ziggers and the reddit tourists mods refuse to do anything about it, despite those threads being off topic and full of gore.

>>64221092
>>64221062
no point diving into the ethics of it. im sure these guys learned the lesson from operation red wings and werent taking any chances.
especially with such a sensitive mission

>>64221007
Hahaha yeah its pretty forgotten now. I think it wasn't really a secret but nobody wanted to give it much attention, us or the flips. Duarte was really running the show and it was clear immediately the guy was a lunatic. We had to put up some FBI guys who were there to train the flip police about counter-infiltration because they had a big problem with corrupt/double agent cops and Duerte just said ummmm, shoot them? They asked about a trial and he just laughed. They parked an actual barge of San Miguel Red Horse beer next to the DDG whenever we were in Puerta Princessa to keep us blind drunk and we had an interesting fire mission where this USMC elint team got in a tight spot and asked for a full send so we did a coordinated thing with the 5" while directing flip OA-10s which was pretty cool.

>>64221028
Oh, I m n fact retard :(

>>64221137
It's ok friend :)
Time makes fools of us all

>>64221092
I took issue with
>Presumably all their fishermen are semi militarized with Comissars.
as being both false and attempting to portray a necessary evil as not in fact evil at all. Which is wrong, because killing civilians = always bad and should be avoided at all costs.

>>64219987 (OP)
SEALs are the biggest clowns of the special operations community. Unless you include psyops, but they hardly count.

>>64221159
At minimum they’re going to tell someone they found some white guys in the water

>>64221126
I dated a chick from Taguig earlier this year. She said Duterte was a complete psycho. Her father was part of the original anti-Marcos conspiracy in the '80s.

>>64221126
>They parked an actual barge of San Miguel Red Horse beer next to the DDG whenever we were in Puerta Princessa to keep us blind drunk
kek

>>64221126
amazing
thanks for the dit, loved it

>>64220091
>collision of unfortunate occurrences that could not have been foreseen or avoided
They always say this shit after every spec ops fuck up. Like as if it wasn't a high risk mission with a high chance of failure, or that they just didn't sufficiently train or take into account of something, or they prepared a mission where everything had to go perfectly on a razor's edge because they just didn't think about what happens if something goes wrong. Every spec op mission fails like this. They just shrug their shoulders and say "whelp can't be helped".

>>64221159
I don't know how it works in Best Korea, but fishermen can become paramilitary, in which case they become valid if not great targets. When fighting countries with planned economies or without any economy to speak of, what does and doesn't constitute a valid target really is a spectrum.

It was more clear-cut here. They weren't valid targets, but this mission being revealed, or worse, if the fishermen were to shoot first or capture the SEALs, would have been disastrous.

It was unlucky. The SEALs, even if they are psychos, weren't crazy to think it was either them or the fishermen, or potentially cause a major international incident if they were found out.

Really, it all goes back to the mission being badly planned and overly complicated. The NYT article was right to mention this.

>>64221104
>a giant modern war is off topic for the weapons board
Fuck off baby

>>64221243
It is when the thread is made in bad faith, there's nothing to discuss, and there's no discussion going on.

>>64220518
Posts like this remind me that the average amerifat is no different than the average chinksect or streetshitter shill.
>objectively poor performance by country’s armed forces
>”lol you’re a brown chink pajeet sandnigger thirdie USA numbah won!”
incredible desu

>>64221268
>there’s nothing to discuss
But that 9000th console war thread about which pistol caliber is better will surely yield new results!

>>64221292
It's still discussion. Can't help but notice you're not denying any of the above points either.

Would a wetsuit really hide you from thermals?

>>64220100
>The plan was to parachute into the sea, race to the coast in speedboats and plant beacons to guide assault forces to the island’s airport. But the SEALs’ plane took off late; they jumped at night and landed in stormy conditions, weighed down by heavy gear. Four SEALs drowned, and the rest swamped their speedboats.
>The airfield was later seized by Army Rangers who parachuted directly onto the airfield.
That must have really stung the SEALs pride lol.

>>64221286
you are a seething fag

>>64221317
I deny all the points you made. If I even bothered to cite specific examples of how you’re wrong you’d just say they don’t count. Your kind is very common on /pol/ shill-kun~~

>>64221324
Concession accepted, doublenigger

>>64221339
not even the guy you replied to
youre just impotently seething in here and its embarrassing

>>64221243
>political nogunz content is /k/-related!!!

>>64221353
>observations are seething
I aporogize for insurting the feerings of american peopres

>>64220718
the NYT article implies this sort of mission never succeeded in north korea

>>64221372
>>64221367
>very much not upset

>>64221377
aporogies amerigga numbah one:DDDD

>>64221396
Oh, its you again. Hi, han mutt. Please keep barking, it will never be implessive.

>>64221396
no ones feelings are hurt
you couldnt scroll past this thread, you had to reply 15 times
i think its you that is butthurt

>>64221409
How’s Eglin this time of year jewboy?

>64221428
CHING CHONG SMELL MY DONG

>>64221428
Wash your hands, schizo. You being a dysgenic mutt was a given, you seething about it is priceless.

>>64220057
One SEAL will survive. He will make a terrible movie about singlehandedly fighting off 1000 enemies. He will be played by Mark Wahlberg

>>64220058
>Untraceable weapons with untraceable ammunition
Huh? Is the twenty guys with American accents not enough of a hint? Or were they trained to talk British?

>>64221450
it doesnt mean they bought guns from some nig that stole them. they used russian equipment.
and i dont think people on a mission like this will do much talking, at most youre looking at a couple dead white guys with russian gear, which makes the operation deniable

>>64220074
>Panic
>Magdump into a bunch of civilians
>Run
Just another day in Seal Team Six!

>>64219987 (OP)
>No thread about this incident from 6 years ago?
Got any more breaking news? Did you hear that Russia has begun a special military operation to liberate Ukraine? Kremlin says it should only take 3 days!

>>64220184
They should've parked rear in!

>>64221471
are you a bot? jesus christ
it is literally breaking news

>>64221474
i always do in my mustang
why tf cant they

>>64221476
I think he's just an emotional hysteric

>>64221428
I don't see a gun in that picture.

>>64221528
Foreign student or mindbroken /pol/cel, take your pick

>>64221317
NTA but I emphatically and clearly deny all of the points you made.
>military is not weapons-related
>guns are not weapons-related
>special operations are not weapons-related
>Navy operations are not weapons-related
>killing people is not weapons-related
>knifing their bodies is not weapons-related
I could go on but I won't because you're a stupid dumb fuck who is just going to keep blubbering and shrieking in an attempt to save face and drown out any legitimate discussion.

>>64221514
You aren't brain damaged, unlike SEALs

>>64221243
Fuck off, nogunz reddit eurotrash. We do not care about your slav war.

>>64221159
Playing the devil's advocate: do you think Kim would let some rando on a boat so close to the border? An average starved nork would likely defect. It this means they are true believers, they have their families at gunpoint at home every time they leave, or are semi militarized I don't know. I feel bad for them if they were civilians, but it is hypocritical to cry for them while doing nothing as Kim does far worse for far less.

>>64221594
you think some malnourished fisherman is going to swim 200km in the ocean to escape?

>>64220031
>heated suits
Pussies.

Oh Donald the dove iced a couple of fishermen of a nuclear state? It's fine, if they aren't soldiers it isn't an act of war.

>>64220271
>more measured and less impulsive
>== boring!
Like watching Picard vs. Kirk. I'll take green pussy over balding negotiator every time.

>>64221868
Swim? Aren't they already on a boat?

>>64221922
the 10 other men don't want their families to be put to death

>>64221104
Yeah bro, as a fellow post-2016 oldfag we should make this board great again. 2017, the good times, huh?

>>64220031
> SEALs believed they could pull off the mission because they had done something like it before.
repeating the same plan sounds like something those roid-brained idiots would do. On the other hand, what if this is a deliberate 'leak', planted by the IC to misdirect or otherwise serve US goals?

>>64221947
if it works why change it

>>64221947
if you never been caught repeating it doesn't make it any extra risky

>SEALS murdering civilians to get that book deal
What else is new?

>>64219987 (OP)
norks need to up their deterrence game, like adopting a doctrine for inflicting 100k civilian casualties for every civilian casualty

>>64220326
>red hat
1998 WILL BE
the year of GNAA/Lunix on the desktop!

>>64221112
>im sure these guys learned the lesson from operation red wings
10/10 crafted cold-pressed prime Angus bait

>>64222333
i mean they did learn, they killed the people that discovered them and then left

>>64219987 (OP)
>>64220002
>>64220004
Man, Crysis was not supposed to play like that

>>64221376
no it doesnt. it quite obviously states that they tapped the norks during dubwa's presidency. nice reading comprehension

>>64219987 (OP)
I still don't understand how electronic eavesdropping is still a thing in current year. With modern encryption algorithms, two devices can communicate completely securely over public wifi as long as the devices themselves aren't compromised. Eavesdropping wouldn't do anyone any good because the algorithms are unbreakable.

>>64222741
>because the algorithms are unbreakable
as someone who has read the blogs of people who develop these algorithms, they seem to think NIST has intentionally watered down (sabotaged) the recommendations to keep the algorithms breakable by americans

so why are they revealing this information to the public again?

>>64222786
to make Trump look bad

>>64219987 (OP)
The biggest shocker to me is that the NYT listed the specific squadron of ST6 (Red) as well as some details of what the operators used, including some model designations autistic fanwankers cream themselves over. This would have been unthinkable ~5-10 years ago since specific military knowledge was LE PROBLEMATIC CHUD INFO.

>>64222757
Nah, there would be some early warning in academia if someone had made even a little headway into cracking AES-256. Also, if one government managed to do it, the fear that some other government could do the same thing would drive them to tell their own companies to switch encryption systems.

>>64220058
>On board was a crew of North Koreans who were easy to miss because the sensors in the SEALs’ night-vision goggles were designed in part to detect heat, and the wet suits the Koreans wore were chilled by the cold seawater.
this whole story is made up, isn't it

>>64222804
https://blog.cr.yp.to/20231125-kyber.html

Sounds like bullshit desu

>>64222786
Orange man bad, but nominally as a reminder that spec ops aren't magic and that using them does carry a risk

>>64222839
but you aren't supposed to be reading about deniable operations in the newspapers

>>64222844
The free press can, and has, reported on things the US government would like them to shut the fuck up about before, but as I said, this is mostly about orange man bad hence the focus on Trump's role and contrasting with Obama's supposed reforms

>>64222844
*respectable newspaper
Gory play-by-play ops details used to be the domain of lowbrow publications like Soldier of Fortune, playboy, and various tabloid ilk. It's highly suspicious that it's in a "prestige" publication like the NY Times.

>>64222851
the spanish flu is called the spanish flu because there was war censorship in place when it hit US

>>64222855
Spanish American war was also when the term yellow journalism was coined if I remember my history correctly.

>>64222853
the US government still hasn't even fully come out and said that the Lusitania was in fact transporting weapons and was a legitimate military target

>>64222880
OK, and? That still wouldn't normally be reported in the respectable normie press. This whole thing comes off as their attempt to "win back" conservative readers, which isn't going to work since they've been completely discredited to that audience for at least a decade now. The only thing this article will accomplish is getting some spergs red flagged when they think it means it's now safe to devtsixinfodump in public.

>>64222907
as in its classified information

>>64222911
That is completely irrelevant to the fact a high-brow outlet is acting completely out of character.

>>64222922
>a high-brow outlet is acting completely out of character.
ny times does famously have CIA affiliation and the US political system in the end is single entity speaking with two mouths, even when they're ostensibly opposing one another they're still usually executing the same long-term policy

>>64222922
its not out of character
just this year we had articles leaking of a (retarded) telegram chat within the DoD leaders

im not sure what is to be gained by publishing this article other than driving a fuck ton of traffic to an, admittedly, very interesting article. which is the job of a news outlet

>>64220031
>>Even for Team 6, the mission would be extraordinarily difficult. SEALs who were more used to quick raids in places like Afghanistan and Iraq would have to survive for hours in frigid seas, slip past security forces on land, perform a precise technical installation and then get out undetected.


One fucking time SEALs are asked to actually do SEAL shit instead of generic low intensity warfare SOF slop shit and they manage to fuck it up. And those are the actually allegedly competent SEALs too.
>>64221947
I would suggest institutional decay. In 2005 they didn't have their entire active duty roster made up of guys who spent 20 years in the desert doing nothing but getting into gay little gunfights and jerking themselves off writing books about those gay little gunfights. Couple that with an over reliance on tech and a relatively unfamiliar mission set and you get fuck ups like that.

>>64222994
i mean, its been 20 years in the sandbox and you want them to prioritize water infil? the real story here is that the SDV dorks cant into cqb
>sdv just want to autistically drive their gay little minisubs around in the dark and not have to do anything

>>64222593
no it doesn't you FUCKING retard. it says they were able to sneak onto a beach undetected but they didn't do anything after that

>>64223000
>and you want them to prioritize water infil?
Yes? Considering no other unit can do their job at the scale the SEAL teams can, while literally every other SOF unit can do the land warfare aspect of fighting better than SEALs can, they should stay in their lane.

>>64223041
maybe it was a secret beach party and they had some brews and left. probably nothing

>>64223054
delta does water too, it just hasnt been a useful skill for decades

>>64223117
what do you think they did? do you honestly think they have been tapping north koreans? you realize the period from 2000~2020 were when they saw the greatest advancements in their nuclear and missile tech?

>>64221202
He was majorly psychotic. We suggested bringing in a seabee det to set up some desalination for the villages, since they spend a lot of time just trying to get fresh water and he was more focused on going all Punisher on people who disagreed with them. Guy was nuts.
>>64221212
If you were OOD in Port a common hobby was to use the telescopic Adelaide to track the increasing freeboard of the beer barge hour by hour while in port. The fact those notes I made in the ships log are now by law in the library of congress is hilarious to me. Was a fun cruise.
>>64221223
Thanks for asking, not a tale I often tell.

>>64223129
after reading this article, yes im inclined to believe we tapped them at minimum

>>64222955
Yeah it is. Who the fuck is this article supposed to appeal to? The average amerishart is unable to tell you approximately when WW2 happened and they weren't going to read the NYT to begin with because they're too fucking dumb. The problemglasses type (their core audience) probably doesn't even realize Grenada happened, and the few that do 100% think it was a bad thing. This is the same group that thinks the military is gross and problematic btw. The conservatives sure as fuck aren't going to read the NYT now after 10+ years of unflinching loyalty to the entire right wing media ecosystem.

This is about as suspicious as the """totally organic""" gushing over those olympic shooting competitors back in 2024, when as little as ~4 years before that there were petitions in wide circulation in that circle trying to get the olympics to drop all shooting sports.

>>64219987 (OP)
Whoopsie.

>>64222955
info and spec leaks are highbrow because they are abstract
IRL ops details are lowbrow because they are concrete and only plebs are interested in real life

>>64223144
a lot of your personal bias and assumptions in that reply and nothing to discuss.
you cant just construct a reality and then invite me to argue with you in it

>>64223171
What? These are plain and obvious facts to anyone that has survived the last decade of culture wars.

>>64223177
its just a bunch of hysterics to me

>>64223182
Wow, just like the last decade of utter shit in shartmartistan!

>>64223187
your interpretation of whats going on in a country you dont live in also has nothing to do with the rationale of them publishing this article
maybe they want to hurt trump, but i didnt read it that way

>>64223195
>muh drumpf
Nigga who gives a fuck about the orange retard? That has no bearing on your day to day life, unlike the faggots around you. Now answer the question: who the fuck do you think this article is trying to appeal to?

>>64223195
I was a legal adult before the culture wars even kicked off, lil zoomie. I was even conscious for 9/11 which was probably before your dad nutted down the wrong hole to make your faggot ass so don't tell me I know nothing about my own fucking country when you got all your recent historical knowledge from secondhand regurgitation of 2010s era news articles.

>>64223205
...i dont give a fuck about trump but people in this thread have spammed that somehow this article hurts trump. which is why i said it.
appeal? I've had 2 normie friends bring this article up to me, and my gun friends have been discussing it all day.
you arent even american and you clearly find some appeal since youre here.

>>64223210
And you don't find the normies bringing it up suspicious at all? Do you have any survival instinct left in you what so ever? Or are you in the "bury my head in the sand and autistically screech" school of threat management like 99% of the retards on this shithole of a site?

>>64223221
first you say there's no appeal, now you acknowledge the appeal and its some kind of psyop? what the fuck are you on about man

>>64223228
What appeal? Where did I even say that?

"Accuse your enemy of what you're guilty of" is a classic Alinsky strategy. Way to reveal you're an ESL SAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR

>>64223210
>I've had 2 normie friends bring this article up to me, and my gun friends have been discussing it all day.
Literally didn't happen. Nothing you say makes any sense.
Post status: DISCARDED

>>64223237
>Yeah it is. Who the fuck is this article supposed to appeal to? The average amerishart is unable to tell you approximately when WW2 happened and they weren't going to read the NYT to begin with because they're too fucking dumb. The problemglasses type (their core audience) probably doesn't even realize Grenada happened, and the few that do 100% think it was a bad thing. This is the same group that thinks the military is gross and problematic btw. The conservatives sure as fuck aren't going to read the NYT now after 10+ years of unflinching loyalty to the entire right wing media ecosystem.
you literally said it
also stop samefagging at me its pathetic

>>64223245
Huh? I didn't name any group who would like this article, just a bunch of groups (literally 99% of people) who would be turned off. Looks like ESL is right on the nose, pajeet.

>>64223254
are you a bot? your ability to reason is shockingly bad, this isnt even interesting any more

>>64223260
>your ability to reason is shockingly bad,
Oh, like your reading comprehension? Accusing me yet again of something you're guilty of, Alinsky jr.???????????

lol ranjeet has to google translate all (You)s before responding. now the big q is
>playing dumb?
>actually doesn't understand english?

>>64223133
haha delusional

>>64223395
american will become weak if you just keep begging and hoping!!

>>64219987 (OP)
>Lefty rag trying to subvert the current administration that they openly oppose
Holy fuck, this didn't happen non stop for the past decade, this is new behavior!!!!

>>64219987 (OP)
NYT has a history of making shit up.

>>64222741
Many older infrastructure isn't. Like cell phone stuff.

>>64220014
Pics or it didn't happen

>>64220057
Don't forget the millions of gook deaths by Nork artillery that will occur as a result of their fuckup

>>64219987 (OP)
Major FUBAR, but that seems to be the norm for the SEAL bros these days. What a joke.

>>64222786
If you look up one of the writers of the article, Matthew Cole, he has a MAJOR hard-on for embarrassing SEALs. Why? Who knows. He looks like a flaming leftist. Do I believe this story? Not at all. For one, anyone that's been swimming in a large body of water with boat in it knows you can hear the boats motors for literal kms away. So, how would a SEAL team get surprised by a boat they would hear putting along? Two, they're wearing rebreathers, they wouldn't shoot a fucking fishing boat up just because it had lights on, and might see them, they would just disappear back under the water until it left. Three, the line they'd have to tap would be miles and miles inland. Seems like complete bullshit being fed to him.

>>64221947
serious talk
IMHO the timing of the leak appears to be a signal to Trump not to fuck around with Venezuela

>>64224041
The timing of the leak coincides with both the authors having new books released...

>>64224059
lol
okay that makes SO MUCH SENSE

>>64220091
>found that the killing of civilians was justified under the rules of engagement

Right...

>The Trump administration never told leaders of key committees in Congress, may have violated federal law

They Definitely did

>Many of the people involved in the mission were later promoted.

Bruh

>>64224038
Hearing it from miles out and knowing how close it is are very different things. Acoustics in shallow water are fucky. Lots of signal noise and reflection. If they weren’t on a motor boat, which considering this seemed like a trio of people, was possible, they’d have very little idea anyone was nearby. If you’re relying on thermals because of near black conditions and bad weather, that makes things even worse.

This op was badly planned from the start though. Poking around isn’t unusual, but doing it in the middle of the negotiations was a risky (and kind of stupid) call.

>>64223000
CQB is a low value skill in the grand scheme of thngs, I'd rather have a team of dorks capable of infiltrating, planting the SR device and exfiltrating undected than all the direct action operators in the world.

>>64219987 (OP)
Trumps not very good with picking missions. His first seal mission was a flop too

>>64224099
fuck off armatard

>>64222805
anonymous source stories being fake? no way

>a device that can eavesdrop on Kim during the negotiations
>the negotiations taking place in South Korean territory
>fifteen miles inshore from the coast
>they wanted to plant this thing on a beach
>fifteen miles away
>which is "out of range" somehow from any place in Korea readily accessible to the US

lol
lmao

What a dumb cunt fuck thread, dumb cunt news article, and dumb cunt willing to report it publicly.

Given its North fucking Korea the right move was to waste the bastards instantly and GTFO. Any risk of Nork seeing ANYTHING is a risk of norks being told, norks investigating, and things being speculated.

All told mission goal was a failure, but mission was a success.
Whoever gave this info out needs to be taken a hundred miles deep in the high Sierras, executed, and their documents proving they were ever alive erased from existence.

>>64220082
>kill nork fishermen
>immediately panic and get out of dodge
>nork military starts moving soon afterwards
This doesn't add up. If they were just fishermen then 1. why didn't they proceed with the mission? and 2. why would the nork military begin moving if some fishermen who presumably don't have radios to the military got shot?

>>64224091
>Hearing it from miles out and knowing how close it is are very different things.
All you need to know is there's a boat in the area. Stay on your rebreather UNDERWATER until it's safe. Not even SEALs are retarded enough to pop up and start spraying a fucking fishing boat just because they think they may see them. They would literally just pop back under the water and move. This is one of the most unbelievable tales I've ever heard. Complete fucking bullshit. But, you retards want it to be true, so you turn off your brain and just accept it. Or you have ulterior motives for pushing it as true.

>>64224122
Came here to say this
>Amid the uncertainty, U.S. intelligence agencies revealed to the White House that they had a fix for the intelligence problem: a newly developed electronic device that could intercept Mr. Kim’s communications.
This sounds like bullshit

>>64220659
This is the legitimate source. One of the NYT's specialties is long-form investigative reporting, real top-quality muckraking the subject is "classical" America's dirty laundry. Doing so furthers the goals of their auth-left owners + audience. Honest, accurate reporting here serves two purposes: it provides the grains of truth necessary to underpin the corrupting narratives spun in their editorial content. Second, the reputation for accurate coverage allows them to occasionally obscure politically inconvenient events, like covering up the Holodomor.
The edible fruit of a poisonous plant, in other words.

since we've figured out that this version of the story is likely bullshit, what could be the real story?
or in other words: tweak this version of events so that you find it plausible

>>64222555
But this is actually what happened in Crysis. The mission went tits up before the squad had even landed from their halo jump. One guy got his parachute ripped off and only survived because he landed in water. Another guy got tangled in his chute when landing in trees and was dead 10 minutes later. The squad was dropping like flies because of unplanned kerfuffle's.

>>64220045
This is the main reason it failed. If they had just tight beamed their communications to the seals, they could have told them about the incoming fishing boat without risk of signal interception.

>>64220540
>Decades of the War on Terror and the only real proficiency our most elite operators have acquired is "night raids" on undefended residential buildings and doing heroic quantities of drugs.
Americans are now on the same level as monsters in the dark stories
>just being a random anon, anywhere on the planet but the USA
>spooks in the night murder your family for no reason

>>64220106
>A few days after taking office in 2017, Mr. Trump skipped over much of the established deliberative process to greenlight a Team 6 raid on a village in Yemen. That mission left 30 villagers and a SEAL dead and destroyed a $75 million stealth aircraft.
WTF? I never heard about this.

>>64224157
SEALs have been retarded enough to lie about events their USAF surveillance cover was observing as well as murder fellow operators. Spraying a fishing boat is exactly the sort of wrong conclusion they'd take from Red Wings.

>>64220339
Kinda based desu

>>64220100
Just last year two of these idiots drowned off the coast of Somalia because they tried to board a ship while weighted down with a shitload of gear. IIRC there were some Coast Guard guys there who told them it was a bad fucking idea and to go light, but they wouldn't listen. One guy slipped and went straight to the bottom, second guy dived in after him and also went straight to the bottom.

>>64224173
>This is the legitimate source
Hillary lost, friendo.

>>64224288
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Yakla

>>64224152
>2. why would the nork military begin moving if some fishermen who presumably don't have radios to the military got shot?
They're the single most paranoid authoritarian police state in the world, anon. All forms of transportation and movement are regulated and subject to observation, scheduling, and approval by state officials, with "large" assets like boats and cars actively monitored via Beidou transponder and such. Sound insane? in the USSR, a KGB directorate existed to manually perform these tasks for what was an even more ubiquitous device: the typewriter.

>>64224412
>$75 million stealth aircraft
>Bell Boeing MV-22B Osprey was destroyed during the operation
It was obvious the claim was bullshit. They don't make stealth aircraft that cheap.

>>64224356
ESL reading comprehension

>>64224412
I have been reading about the MACV-SOG lately and it seemed their missions were largely the same sort of inane fuckups
When was the last time SF actually made a difference?

>>64220518
The New York Times paywalls their articles to the normies.
They beg us to read this shit.
>>64221286
ok anon
lets say that this is a poor performance by the US military in failing a mission (nobody has disputed that)
why does that make you so desperate to talk about el orangio mago? what relevance does he have to any of this?

>>64224445
You don't hear about it's successes for obvious reasons

>>64224497
The Israelis seem to succeed all the time with everyone knowing it was them

Gonna call bullshit until we get a better source, if only because if the Norks knew this happened as is implied they would have NEVER shut the fuck up about it. It would literally be the first thing out of their lips every time they opened their mouths on the world stage, not to mention the chink and zig shills parroting it.

>>64224518
knowing that it happened is very, very different from knowing who did it
the norks likely thought it was the eternally perfidious blue palace tards trying more subversion, like with their kpops and smartphones.

>>64220070
the russians cant defend their own country and you expect me to believe they have top secret intelligence and surveillance in korea? smoking crack. nice deflectIon away from israelis sabotaging the us

>>64224524
>implying the Norks even care who did it
They would've pinned it on the Sorks or US and screamed to high hell regardless, not like anyone would actually be investigating. Only way I can see them keeping something like that quiet is if they figured it was actually their own guys who did it. Even then they still might claim it was muh imperialists.

>>64224540
Claiming that it's imperialists is a part of the regular DPRK programming, without substantiation it's (correctly) ignored.
Do you actually keep up with nork pressers enough to know that they didn't scream murder back in 2019? They did jump from leaflets to shit balloons real fast "for no reason".

>>64224412
Other than the Osprey doing what Osprey's do, and that one operator who got unlucky, this isn't so bad. In fact I'd say the Osprey crashing unprompted is the only reason this operation got any blowback. Nobody seems to care about the kids that got sent to Allah.

>>64224503
Do you really know it's them? I bet half the time it's the US doing the bombings.

>>64220889
>reee you cryptofacist
Same flavor of faggot

>>64224545
North Korea has literally two real goals: Embarrassing the US and south whenever able, and extorting everyone for humanitarian aid by acting like chaotic psychos until they pay up, then they go quiet for a while, rinse and repeat. I find it pretty hard to believe that they're going to act like smooth operators with potential blackmail all of a sudden. Aside from that, the headline feels a little too perfect. The most high profile unit in the entire American military just so happens to get an Eagle Claw tier fuckup on fairly simple op (the premise of which is kinda off) during which they commit a clear-cut war crime, all of which nobody's said shit about despite there apparently being enough evidence left behind for even the Norks to know someone killed those dudes. Like, yeah, the SEALS are the fuckup squad these days, but my schizo instincts are telling me something's not right here.

>>64221104
>t.

>>64224580
You know what, why don't we turn this around?
When was the last time that you were aware of North Koreans accusing South Koreans/their allies of sabotage?
They clearly do it all the time to shit smear per your post, but when was the last time they did it? Are you aware? What was the shit being smeared? What did they accuse the south/us of doing?

>>64224596
Last month. Everything and anything the west does is a grave provocation worth saber-rattling over as far as they're concerned.
https://apnews.com/article/north-korea-border-warning-shots-south-tensions-1a8b49c99b218dd5ebf4323ff1f2ae27

>>64221104
>"reddit tourists"
Back to your communist hugbox general in pol(chug)

>>64220722
>equip russian weapons
>immediately murder civilians and desecrate their corpses

This checks out, I understand everything now.

>>64224580
>for even the Norks to know someone killed those dudes
Knowing they disappeared != knowing they were murdered. Simple explanation, the norks concluded it was an internal matter rather than external - defectors or accidental demise during defection.

>>64224610
it was the guns
they were possessed

>Zion Don's Zogbots having a full breakdown because...?
MIGA retards are hilarious

>>64224611
>Knowing they disappeared != knowing they were murdered.
I guess americans are lucky the north koreans are too poor to equip their fishermen with radios and flare guns

The title makes it sound like a SEAL team got gunned down by the KPA or something. All that happened was they shot some fisherman that might have spotted them and dipped.

How are there 300 replies to such a nothing burger of an operation.

>>64224654
Good job gunning down civilians, goybots