Thread 64221017

>gun released ~6 months ago
>initial shilltube hype for a few months
>reports start surfacing about magazine issues
>radio silence
So what's the deal with this gun? Is it G2G or not? Should we wait for the .40 version (the original chambering and probably why the 9mm tapered round is having mag issues)?

>>64221017 (OP)
I got one, I'm only 250 rounds into it but it's been without fault so far, first I've heard of magazine issues

>>64221017 (OP)
>Pistol caliber
It's shit, don't waste your money.

>>64221182
I mean it's roller delayed so it's basically an MP5 clone

>>64221182
I would love a MP5 but I'm not paying the 500% COD tax for a gun that costs $300 to manufacture
and from what I know all the clones are a shit

>>64221230
It's a stribog clone tho, which is a much simpler roller delay.

>>64221182
yeah, i want a heavy all-steel gun where the charging handle takes up half of it, no last round bolt hold open, and nowhere to mount force multipliers. sounds really cool.

>>64221017 (OP)
honest outlaw's stock snapped off of his when he dropped it lmao. plastic stock mount.

just get a stribog or a banshee.

>>64221548
you just aint cag enough to understand

>>64221568
>I intentionally dropped my gun with a single-rail airsoft tier "please don't arrest me ATF, it's totally not a stock" stock from chest high onto concrete and it broke
Wow, no shit.
I'm not saying I can defend the plastic 1913 rail on the Kuna, but this "test" was retarded and it's the reason no one takes bracefags seriously

>>64221548
Same but unironically

Wait for the .45 version

>>64221630
>not saying I can defend the plastic 1913 rail but let me do that by trashing my fellow gun owners instead of criticizing cheap balkan war criminal arms manufacturers

>>64222044
It's not HS Produkt/Croatia's fault, their version has a custom stock that doesn't even look like it uses a pic rail

This whole thread and the kuna itself are kinda bizarre. More options in the PCC market that aren't direct blowback is good but it's pretty much a stribog clone with presumably similar issues to the original bogs without the years of fiddlefucking the manufacturer had to do to get things working better. It's also less cool looking. I don't think people advocating for the kuna are organic desu. .45 bog is pretty friggin cool though, nails the UMP aesthetic(even improves on it) while being interesting for the caliber choice.

>>64222180
I like the 45 Bog but it only comes in 8", would love a 5 or 6 inch. My autism demands it is simply too long with a can.

>>64222180
Honestly been thinking about a stribog in 45 just to scratch the UMP itch with a less shitty gun. I already have an MP5 so other 9mm PCCs don't interest me that much.

>>64222206
8"-14" barrels are ideal for pistol caliber performance. If you want a 5" or 6" then get a full-size or long-slide handgun.

Stribog chads stay winning.

>>64222206
UMP 45 we have at home

>>64221017 (OP)
It's still a decent option I think but when I shot it the gun still didn't shoot as nicely as an MP5. All these so called non-MP5 roller delays are a lot closer to straight blowback than rolley delay. The same goes for non-roller delay non-straight blowback stuff like B&T and the CMMG Banshee. Really kind of disappointing. The MPX was the only non-MP5 PCC that didn't feel like straight blowback and I don't wanna touch Sig shit with a 10 foot long pole because it might just shoot me in the dick

>>64222438
The difference is incredibly marginal at very best.

>>64222470
>marginal
Any increase is an increase. Now buy a PCC and load it with .45 Super!

>>64222456
It should probably be better than the UMP45, given that's a cheap plastic blowback gun (almost a glorified Hi-Point until you spend lots of money rebuilding and SBR'ing a USC45), the Stribog having an aluminum body and delayed action is just cooler.

>>64222044
>cheap balkan war criminal arms manufacturers
You say that like that's a bad thing

>>64222491
A dream of mine is that, if the MG registry is ever reopened, I'd want to get an Auto Ordnance M1A1 and then convert it into an open-bolt machinegun, and I'd like to see if I could get .45 Super loads running in it without safety issues or wear problems.
Might need to drill the bolt and add in tungsten weights. Maybe also a nice and squishy buffer pad in the back of the receiver.

A .460 Rowland converted Thompson would also be baller, but, uh, I'm not quite brave enough to do that experiment myself, and then you would 100% need a muzzlebrake. Not for the same reason as for automatic pistols, where the brake adds more weight to the barrel and also pushes it down longer, for dwell time, but because the Thompson has such a dropped stock and it would climb like crazy blasting .460 if you don't tame the muzzle.

>>64221162
How do you only shoot 250 rounds out of a gun during a range trip. Do you shoot for 1 hour?

>>64222920
I'm pretty worn out after 100-150 rounds of indoor 9mm pistol fire, that's my typical range trip.

>>64221630
Rear 1913-picatinny has nothing to do with braces. It's present on many other guns like the sig mpx (rifle). Difference is, sig was smart enough to make the lugs out of aluminum.

>>64221568
did it snap at the picatiny point?

>>64223073
looks to me more like the brace broke

>>64221017 (OP)
>Should we wait for the .40 version
Would be based. Stribog doesn't make a .40, so they'd be the only roller delayed .40 pcc in town (outside the uncommon mp5/40).

>>64221568
Banshee sucks. I had the 45 and it wouldn't get through a mag without multiple jams. Not just me, lots of people on YouTube and reddit with the same problem. Cmmg is all marketing and no product.

>>64223418
apparently they just released a version with a fixed extractor which solves the issues.

lots of people in their comments asking for a swap/upgrade to the FE model.

I myself am looking at the Dissent.

>>64223092
H&K should bring back the MP5/10 and MP5/40 as semi-auto pistols (complete with the LRBHO) in time for when SBRs get challenged and maybe even deregulated.

Imagine an MP5/10k, with the sweet vertical foregrip and the PDW style folding stock, where it locks open for you, you swap the mag and hit the release, and it's ready right away. Maybe you're even using a pair of clamped together mags for even faster reloading.
Now imagine replacement lower with a selectable FRT setting.

>>64222890
>A dream of mine is that, if the MG registry is ever reopened, I'd want to get an Auto Ordnance M1A1 and then convert it into an open-bolt machinegun
That's a nice dream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi5Z6rNU9Hw

>>64223486
>H&K should bring back the MP5/10 and MP5/40 as semi-auto pistols (complete with the LRBHO) in time for when SBRs get challenged and maybe even deregulated.
Look man, HK wanted to get rid of their steel SMG entirely. They made the UMP line to replace the MP5 line and begrudgingly kept the MP5 line when everyone hated the UMP.

>>64223532
Reinvent it for an extruded aluminum receiver then. Nobody wants the UMP for a reason, that thing should be a $300 gun.

>>64223612
>Nobody wants the UMP for a reason, that thing should be a $300 gun.
No, it was due to its strange recoil pattern. Almost everyone in the military who used it claimed that they'd switch it to burst mode or use it in semi-auto only because full-auto was unbearable.

>>64221568
Dont drop your gun, sonny boy. There's yer problem right there

>>64223644
Because it's a straight blowback gun with a lightweight plastic body. No kidding it moves around in full-auto, especially in .40 and .45, the majority of the weapon's weight is moving back and forth all the time.
If the bolt was less heavy, because it was for instance using a delayed action, and if the body of the gun was less lightweight, because it used steel or aluminum, it would handle better. It would cost more, but you get what you pay for.

>>64223674
>because it used steel or aluminum
HK didn't want it to cost more. Why can't you understand that lowering production costs was their goal at the time? It's why they went ahead with the G36 as opposed to the HK33.

>>64223683
I fucking know why they did it, it's just that they overestimated the UMP as a product, it was too cheap of a design to be successful. The G36 is pretty good (and is in fact mostly better than the HK33), but the UMP is kind not that good (mostly worse than the MP5), which is why the G36 saw sales, but nobody wanted the UMP.
Also, for being concerned about tooling costs, they sure as hell went hard on tooling up for making the 416.

>>64222890
Lol those shitheaps barely function as semi autos.

>>64223736
I know, but it can probably be improved by simplifying the trigger group to be like an original, and welding the firing pin forward.

>>64222206
It's a good looking gun with a really ass looking big billboard on the side

>>64222438
>8"-14" barrels are ideal for pistol caliber performance. If you want a 5" or 6" then get a full-size or long-slide handgun.
That's simply not true though. Handgun calibers work by penetrating to a specific depth range, and expanding. Often times if you increase velocity too much, you get underpenetration with JHPs simply due to the bullet expanding faster than designed. You still won't reach the threshold of rifle velocities, and you don't really gain much out of it except a slightly increased range where the bullet will still perform as desired.
TL;DR, faster doesn't mean better for handgun bullets with current bullet technology and design.

>>64221017 (OP)
Just get a Vityaz or Jakl

>>64224685
The Vityaz and civilian derivatives thereof are really pretty guns but oh so shit

the ones i have shot were fine it seemed. ive heard no complaints in real life

>>64224699
As much as i think pccs are retarded my kr9 has never had a malf and has never been cleaned, only lubed. It’s approaching 5k rounds. I like the trigger, its as accurate as any pcc, and has less recoil than any other blowback pcc ive shot (scorp, ep9, ruger, ar9)

>>64225093(me)
Btw nta, i wouldnt tell anyone to buy a pcc unless you are gonna frt an ap5 or something. Put the pcc money toward handgun and rifle ammo

we have plenty of PCCs on the market already that are perfectly ok. the kuna doesn't bring anything new to the table.

>>64221017 (OP)

makes no sense at that form factor you are better with a sig rattler 300 blk

>>64221017 (OP)
I thought it was one of these from sight.

>>64221017 (OP)
You already know the answer, 11.5 PSA AR, preferably with a light barrel profile and a little k can for max comfy