Thread 64221985

Are the military spending numbers a good proxy for military capability?
How much more powerful is the USA than China?

>>64221985 (OP)
>America spends 2× as much on their military as China
No wonder mutts are so broke lmao

>>64221985 (OP)
no
Ex-Anglo colonies such as USA, India, Austria and Canada all have problems with procurement which means they simply do not get their money worth and are crippled due to rampant capitalist corruption

>>64222442
Neoliberalism and the end of history was a mistake

>>64221985 (OP)
>Saudi Arabia spends More than Russia as of % of gdp
>still loses to the houthis
>ukraine spends 4 times more than russia as a % of gdp excluding aid
>still loses to russia
Kek, why is western equipment so useless?

>>64222474
>russian analysis

>>64222419
Why are you so poor brownoid?

>>64221985 (OP)
I'm not sure. Id like to think in their current state the South Koreans would probably do extremely well vs the British or Germans but struggle against Poland
And Canada is just kek.

>>64222474
You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?

>>64222474
>just two more weeks till kiev bro
full mobilization fucking when. I want to see the vdv get their shit pushed in at Hostomel again

>>64221985 (OP)
no because it doesn't account for purchasing parity, corruption and generally what the money is being spent on.

>>64222474
>plane used their ECM in a combat encounter with another plane
in other news the sky is blue and shit (generally) is brown.

>China: barely 1.7%, not even enough for peace time NATO
>Meanwhile the US, 3.5% (5% soon) and picrel
pathetic

>>64223487
of course I forgot the pic

>>64222419
>chinkmutt mindbroken by the fact the US can spend that much and still have significantly higher average standards of living than the average chinese serf.
mad lol.

>>64222474
>thirdie having a meltie
kek

>>64223487
>barely 1.7%
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
chinkshills truly believe that too.

>>64221985 (OP)
It only matters how its spent. Feeding a soldier in China cost $3 per day. In the US, thats ~$10. Its not that food is 3X better in US v China for their soldiers. Its that labor cost in China is 1/3 of that of US. Supply chains cost lower. In the US, we spend $100K on a toilet bowl that goes for few low hundreds at home depot. $50K on a bolt that goes for $100 on hardware store. The money disappears into high paying union jobs, lining up the pockets of employees, supervisors, union boss, etc who make $1M a year. Vs Chinese boss who get paid $10K/y

>>64221985 (OP)
No because they get artificially bloated by their nuclear programs. And since nukes are useless for anything but deterrent factor in geopolitics, those nations actually pay more for less. Nations like italy, turkey or greece have much more powerful forces than of france and UK because of it.

>>64222419
back to siphoning gutter oil for pocket money chang

>>64224805
>Muh gdp
America is so rich they have to borrow a trillion dollars from China kek

>>64224830
>doesn't apply this logic to chink billionaires
kek

why are chinkmutts so insecure about their poorfag status?

>>64224830
going by that metric, its even more pathetic because china's average annual income without taking away its richest is still only $5800.

>>64224835
>>64224849
China is one the most equal societies in the world see picrel. Why does America have to borrow a trillion dollars from china?

>>64224858
lol china intentionally refuses to disclose the identity or income of its wealthiest people, so its not exactly a complete stat is it? why do chinks make less in a year than what americans make in a month?

>>64224858
>russia is at the same level as usa
kek

>>64224869
That's what you get when you insist on subsiding oligarchs instead of state owned companies who work for the people
>>64224868
We've entered cope mode huh

>>64221985 (OP)
>How much more powerful is the USA than China?
Vastly as is the EU. They have contested elections and free press and real bugetary oversight. Everything you know about places like China and their military is simple propaganda covering up layers of nepotism, graft, incompetence and bluster. What the demcratic states have is the real deal not bullshit because you have hostile opposing parties and jounalists asking questions about spend and value. Graft and nepotism is second nature in single party states where the only jounalism is propaganda from the ones who got to the top of the dysfunctional ant hill. Not just that but they have an inherent distrust of all internal threats and often operate on the primaryily ensuring the military is in no position to depose them, complete with lack of decision making at operational levels and ring fencing suplies like ammunition and fuel so they can neuter coup attempts.

The same applies to their economics and central planning efforts. Russia and China are states that would boast about record harvests while they had famines raging. That culture is part of their current day economics and its a failure of post cold war jounalism and organisations like the IMF that the single party no press government suplied economic statistics ( with many of the underlying data censored or not available at all) are taken at face value at all

The USA would tear chang a gaping asshole within the first weeks of any contact. Their propaganda is for domestic consumption if they are not in some mythical exestenial struggle with foreigners then chang might ask why he has not been paid and has no way to go to court to get his money or why his granmothers patch of subsistence farm,was taken by property developers that are CCP officials children for free.Even the CCP has no faith in the CCP which is why they near universally send their children abroad to democratic nations as students but really to hide away some wealth in real nations

>>64224875
chang, you're the one coping. even going with the napking math of your most optimistic adjustment, the average american is making 7x the income of the next liveleak victim

>>64224900
They're rich enough to buy a trillion dollars in American debt apparently

>>64224908
you realize that the situation is a two way street right

>>64224916
Wait so china can afford to lend trillions, the same as the US and take on less debt despite being 7× poorer?
China owes a total of 2 trillion in external debt, while the US owes 9 trillion..

>>64224916
>borrow money that doesnt exist from someone that doesnt have that kind of money
>someone pays even more money that doesnt exist to own the debt of nonexistent money
>joe average sees his taxes triple and decides his guatemalan gardener is behind it all

>>64222584
This doesn't work because you can't measure any nervous reactions in response to the question

>>64224931
yep, the chinese government uses its slave population to fund its activities abroad, meanwhile the average bugman eats food made with gutter oil and drinks water from the same rivers that its coal plants dump waste in.

>>64224858
How fucked up is a statistic when the top countries are Belgium, Slovakia, Japan, Iceland and Malta?
What's wrong with Sweden?

>>64224908
>They're rich enough to buy a trillion dollars in American debt apparently
They donl't hold that much in US debt anymore they are deep into a financial crisis it's down to 700 billion and it's one of their best assets because the uSA is actually a solid bet and they know it.
https://ticdata.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/slt_table5.html

Note the extremely transparent US financial data scrutinised by opposition paries and jounalists. The UK and Japan each hold more US debt than China and they don't have a pretence of being rivals to the USA either.

Are you suggesting China should hold bonds in allies like Russia and North Korea instead. Good luck with that. That's the faith that the CCP actual has in them as well, none.

Consider this Ireland and Belgium hold as much US debt as China. yes really, Maybe they should team up in a hiberno-belgian alliamce and claim they are superpower becasue of it. Most US debt is owed to the EU by a vast margin

>>64224858
>China is one the most equal societies in the world
Yes the vast majority of people have nothing, no legal rights to even make employers pay them and no freedom of movement, no free speech and. Very equal, and the CCP are of course equal with themselves but some are more equal than others. Made this mistake
>>64224897
>The same applies to their economics and central planning efforts. Russia and China are states that would boast about record harvests while they had famines raging. That culture is part of their current day economics and its a failure of post cold war jounalism and organisations like the IMF that the single party no press government suplied economic statistics ( with many of the underlying data censored or not available at all) are taken at face value at all

>>64225002
let me propose a trade: we cancel your debt, we get your nikkers
I'm sure it would be a handy trade for the both of us

>>64224983
in the case of belgium it's high income taxes, wages being automatically increased with inflation, cheap and good higher education and a lack of ambition in the general population so not as many high flyers

>>64225006
No thanks and I'm shocked to hear a good Belgian Catholic lower himself to /pol/ speak We told you the congo was a mistake at the time and here you are.

The quickest way to dramatically reduce mass immigration intop Europe is to destroy tehe FSB and GRU and their quislings on the populist left and right aiding them who are amplfying the numbers entering Europe as part of theoir hybrid warfare

>>64225002
>Most US debt is owed to the US by a vast margin
ftfy

>>64221985 (OP)
>Are the military spending numbers a good proxy for military capability?
no

>>64225020
>hear a good Belgian Catholic lower himself to /pol/ speak
you should hear what my parish priest thinks of sub-saharans after spending 5 years in a mission there

>>64222474
still mad about 14:1 ratio? ;(

>>64222419
What if I tell you that US defense spending is still less than 13% of total budget?

>>64225034
I know good people who have been in the missions and whay they say is how remarkable human beings can be when faced with utter misery and the extroadinary way in which woman in impoverished places fight tooth and nail for their children. Please don;t misrepresnet the words of good Catholic clergy who put the poor ahead of their own lives.

>>64225029
It's a tavle if foreign debt dumbass take off your stupid red hat for a second. Uunless uyou think the USA is a forign nation to teh USA which I suppose is possible given its really about 7 great nations

>>64225037
no, no, no, he told us flat out that they are dumb, superstitious and lazy. but in the end children of God like all of us.
and please learn to type/spell before pretending to speak for the whole of the Church

>>64224983
>What's wrong with Sweden?

Super high taxes on work, low taxes on capital, tax evasion schemes are common among the rich.

>>64225100
They have an unusually high proportion of billionaires, as well as a low population.

>>64225051
You're a bad liar

>>64225165
I'm a good liar but I'm telling the truth
he complained about how the locals feared chameleons but dug up a dead one he found to sell it ti a witch doctor.
how they'd blow their money on beer and easy fun before paying for their kids schooling
they would consort with witch doctors by night and then attend Mass trying to double dip ect.
I'm sure he's going to have plenty of things to complain about us when he gets assigned his next parish tough

>>64225066
>Russians capture land
>They're able to get the bodies of the defenders
>Ukraine doesn't capture land
>They're not able to get the bodies of the attackers
How severely retarded are you?
Also
>lost armour
nice fucking source

>>64225066
Damn hohols are getting smoked...
>>64225557
Cope

>>64225066
>exchanging bodies = death rate
You know what they say about assumptions, right?

>>64225066
Russians go through immense trouble to hide all their dead in mass graves so that they don't have to pay death benefits to the families. What makes you think they even want their dead back?

>>64222419
I know they don't teach math in your third world shithole, chang, but that's more than 3x.

>>64221985 (OP)
I don't think we have accurate numbers on chinese military spending

>>64225066
yeah, we've seen the meat cubes

>>64222419
more like x3,
amazed by ukranian numbers, i get that they are fighting a war for survival but still , its spending half or rusia and rusia was always seen as the big enemy of the free world

>>64222566
Enjoy the fentanyl

>>64221985 (OP)
Are the US numbers real? Knowing that the Pentagon "lost"a couple trillion just before 9-11 (and probably more to this date), maybe a lot of extra money is in black projects.