Thread 64223536

>stunning breaches of discipline, shoddy, obsolete and poorly maintained equipment
>negligence, incompetence, and mismanagement

So what really happened?

>>64223536 (OP)
>So what really happened?
Russia. It's literally quintessentially soviet/russian bullshit.

>>64223536 (OP)
>So what really happened?
Poorly maintained torpedoes.

>>64223574
Which is really a shame when you think about it because they made some kino submarines

>>64223536 (OP)
>>stunning breaches of discipline, shoddy, obsolete and poorly maintained equipment
>>negligence, incompetence, and mismanagement

Mosvka?

>>64223675
You only think that they're kino because you've never experience how they were IRL

>>64223739
What's that got to do with me thinking that they look cool?

>>64223675
They made kino a lot of things. It's hard for me to reconcile the fact that zigger brainrot has obviously always been endemic to Russian culture with the massive contributions they've made to the arts and industrial/military design over the 150 years or so leading up to the fall of the Soviet Union.

>>64223752

Weren't a lot of their top science and engineering types from the SSRs, not Russia proper? Like weren't a bunch of them Ukrainian or Georgian in origin?

>>64223765
Yes. Ukraine and Estonia were large tech hubs ans losing them made them lose a lot tech. Plus a lot of soviet scientists jumped ship when the ussr collapsed

>>64223536 (OP)
fucked around and found out

>>64223786
>Plus a lot of russian kidnapped hostage scientists kept in closed towns jumped ship when the ussr collapsed

some type of catastrophic event. no one will fully know what happened. maybe torpedo related.

a similar thing happened to uss scorpion.

>>64223765
Yes, but also most of those places were part of the Russian Empire for hundreds of years before the formation of the Soviet Union so it seems silly to claim that they're not Russian even if they don't share the Muscovite culture. Besides, I'm quite sure that more than none of them could be considered Russian in the strictest sense, although I don't have any particular interest in going one by one down the list.

>>64223824
>I'm quite sure that more than none of them could be considered Russian in the strictest sense
If we're talking about art, Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow.

>>64223823
USS Scorpion was a battery explosion killing the crew followed by a slow descent to crush depth

>>64223751
They "look cool" only on paper and from afar

>>64223536 (OP)
>So what really happened?

>>64224047
They look pretty cool close up as well

>>64223751
>they look cool?
the November-class? Hotel? Foxtrot? really?
they looked like kludged together pieces of crap because they were.

>>64224307
yaasss downvote him sister

>>64223887
there's several plausible explanations for the loss of uss scorpion, just like there is with kursk. both suffered an initial smaller acoustic event followed by a larger one. for kursk, the htp propellant of a torp going up, like what happened on hms sidon, is one likely cause, but that could have been the result of something else that triggered it.

these things are some of the great mysteries of modern history.

unofficially, collisions or opfor torp shots tend to be thrown around more with the unexplained losses.

>>64223536 (OP)
poor maintenance and shoddy equipment
a theory floated by some navy officer was that they topped up the torpedo with contaminated compressed air which then leaked into the peroxide tank through a leaky valve that was supposed to open only during launch
when that thing exploded and the submarine hit the bottom several more torpedoes exploded as well, modern weapons would be almost completely inert when not armed

>>64223536 (OP)
>> submarine sinks
> Ok

>> russian submarine sinks
>stunning breaches of discipline, shoddy, obsolete and poorly maintained equipment
>negligence, incompetence, and mismanagement
>hurr-durr!

>>64223823
> some type of catastrophic event
This. Rumors were about encounter with westers submarine. It could explain, why all so classified about Kursk ship.

>>64223675
>because they made some Kilo submarines
Fixed that for you.

>>64224375
how many other cases do you know of a nuclear submarine sinking and the government refusing foreign assistance because it's embarrassed?
there's no spinning this, ziggie.

>>64224389
How many countries CAN make such submarine, that's how should be asked! Not many. End western flops for sure classified to keep reputation dry.

Example:
> Radioactive water from the base that holds the UK’s nuclear bombs was allowed to leak into the sea after old pipes repeatedly burst, official files have revealed.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/aug/09/radioactive-water-bomb-base-scotland-leak-sea-files

Imagine the chaos, if rust reached reactor of nuke cores. But outside they pretended that all under compenent controll. Till diapper spilled.

>>64224403
russia can't make these submarines anymore and the USSR no longer exists.
also, the entire soviet techonolgical and scientific development was based on industrial espionage. that's not an own that you think it is.

>>64224409
> russia can't make these submarines anymore and the USSR no longer exists.
Well, we are still #1 in nuclear applied sciences. Submarine should not be diffucult project: we are making space rockets!

> also, the entire soviet techonolgical and scientific development was based on industrial espionage. that's not an own that you think it is.
How you cope with fact that thermonuclear bomb was first tested by soviets? We were stealing via time machine?

>>64223536 (OP)
>>64224077 already got the one, so I'll post the other.

>>64223536 (OP)
The front fell off

>>64224416
looks like it's cope hours in Pussypissiya

>>64223824
They're not russian

>>64224375
Go back you stupid nigger loving faggot

>>64223824
It seems so silly that you call a person that's not Russian not Russian

>>64224430
Let me educate you:
Russia is literally a horde of tribes, scattered over vast territories and united under Moscow. Clearance of blood iis not a thing there, literally have no sence.
Russian is mostly a mentality and self-definition.
Technically, we are first "nation" is history.

>>64224449
Didn't read
Don't care
Kys avatarfag

>>64224417
russia is weak and poor. russia is unable to win a war agains the poorest country in Europe.
The USSR is dead and is never coming back.
Cope with this, chimp.

>>64224364
>a theory floated by some navy officer was that they topped up the torpedo with contaminated compressed air which then leaked into the peroxide tank through a leaky valve
I remember reading that those torps were just old, and hadn't been remanufactured (seals/piping replaced, fittings checked/replaced). So one of them just blew up while it was prepped for use.

>>64223752
>zigger brainrot has obviously always been endemic to Russian culture

Outlier actually-European regions (DDR, Czechia, Ukraine) and their Paperclip middle management were always the brains behind the rotten edifice.

>>64223536 (OP)
Design paper: copy paste rockets

>>64224347
The Kursk was obviously something in the torpedo room making the torpedoes cook off because if I'm remembering correctly there were multiple explosions in quick succession after the first and they were powerful enough to completely destroy the torpedo room

The next part took me over an hour to write as I tried to chase down sources

As for the scorpion it's not as open and shut as I remember since the battery explosion theory is best supported with reports I can't find online.
tl;dr:
>Evidence scorpion's batteries were hot and exploded before flooding occurred
>Allegedly there's a SOSUS graph out there that catches two small explosions several minutes before the hull implodes
>At least one crewmember probably survived long enough to get a life jacket on

According to these links the Structural Analysis Group investigating the Scorpion has good evidence that the batteries were overheated and exploded before any flooding or implosion happened. Unfortunately the primary source for this is the SAG report which isn't anywhere online and you'd either have to make a FOIA request or snail mail Bruce Rule to get a copy of it
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/foia/readingroom/CaseFiles/Scorpion%20Submarine/1998%20Action%20Memo%20to%20SECNAV%20on%20Release%20REDACTED%20FULL.pdf
https://www.burtonsys.com/USS_Scorpion.html

>>64224409
>russia can't make these submarines anymore
Submarines are one of the few areas russia isn't hopelessly behind the rest of the world in and new designs/construction were one of the few areas they consistently paid attention to and at least partially funded after the USSR broke up

And before I go to bed anyone interested should read "Cold War Submarines: The Design and Construction of U.S. and Soviet Submarines" by Polmar and Moore. You'll gain an appreciation for the good and the bad of USSR subs. If you want to learn more about the wacky antics of soviet submarine crews the glowies have you covered with many interesting fables with everything from heroic sacrifices to three stooges tier slapstick but with nuclear reactors and torpedoes.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000078940.pdf

>>64224449
>it's the mentally ill avatar
you're just bully material, are you a masochist?

>>64224417
>How you cope with fact that thermonuclear bomb was first tested by soviets?

Really? I think not. The first hydrogen bomb was detonated by the USA. The russian bomb was based on spy data and not an indigenous developement. So was the first conventional russian nuclear bomb. Do I need to mention the role of Gods Chosen People in this knowledge transfer?

>>64224403
Pidor tech caused Chernobyl thanks assholes hope you get nuked to hell soon

>>64224575
Worse, he's a russian shill. He yearns for the boot to the head.

>>64223730
I thought they were talking about kursk the oblast myself
I'm still amazed that the ukies were able to just charge multiple armoured columns across the border like that

>>64224802
Not just that but they fucked up the Norks and withdrew with their gear to fight again. It was a great move to maximise Russian attrition and fuck their schemes up and give them experience in reoccupying Crimea and even annexing Belgorod in the final stages of what is upcomming.

>>64224734
>Pidor tech caused Chernobyl thanks assholes hope you get nuked to hell soon
Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zotm8tZmqM4
Full
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC70R62Tu4M

>>64224824
>guys our radar system isn't as good as we thought it was, better blow up a nuclear reactor to cover it up
Flimsy at best

>>64224449
>brownoid
>brownoid avatar
Fitting

>>64223536 (OP)
Don’t know what caused the disaster, but i sure as hell know what happened after - russia rejected western help that could’ve saved sailors, just to "save face" and look tough. They let their own men suffocate so the regime wouldn’t look weak. That’s the real story behind Kurks.

Pic unrelated

>>64224956
also lol, they’ve classified a recovered sailor diary where he curses every single upper echelon idiot who might’ve been involved, but that’s another story

>>64224964
and don’t forget the icing on the cake - putin straight up called the sailor wives "$10 whores" hired to discredit him, and as if that wasn’t enough, he had a doctor sedate one of the wives on live TV during their meeting just to shut her up. and that was the last time putin let unfiltered civilians near him with cameras rolling

>>64224382
A true Alpha anon.

>>64224442
YWNBAR.

>>64223675
It stops being kino if you read about it in depth.

It was all cope for being soundly beaten in the quiet game which they have ALWAYS been losing simply because western technologies and know-how were unachievable for them and still aren't. So they started coming up with supposedly meta-breaking ideas like lets make a titanium submarine that goes SUPER FAST AT INCREDIBLE HIGH SPEED except it turned out to be a shit idea that never worked anywhere close to what they intended and the bismuth cooled reactor was a fucking maintenance nightmare. All cool Soviet concepts were like that - they were jerking off to the complexity of it that was impressive to the non-technical political party people okaying the project and got beaten by minmaxxed autistic simplicity of western concepts every single fucking time. This translates broadly to all types of military equipment and is a pattern that keeps repeating throughout the Cold War until today without failure.

>>64224430
>>64224442
>>64224470
Making a quick pass a few big names, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Nabokov, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Rimsky-Korsakov, Kandinsky, Vrubel, Vereshchagin, and Tarkovsky were all born within the borders of modern-day Russia. That said, I still think it's silly to call people "not Russian" when the place they're from was part of Russia for 300 years before they were born and 100 years after they died. Maybe find a better word for "real Russians."

>>64224973
Putin insults his serfs to their faces when they beg him for help and still they bend over to him

>>64225145
The Russian cultural instinct of submission to the Tsar never went away.

>>64225133
>Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Nabokov, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Rimsky-Korsakov, Kandinsky, Vrubel, Vereshchagin, and Tarkovsky
a) half of them aren't actually ethnic russian;
b) most of them are overrated bullshit since centuries ago;

>>64224267
Not really, if you ever had personal interaction with anything soviet-made it was so bad that it's not even funny.

>>64224468
Bruh, something like 30-60% of those torpedoes, which were unsafe by design even at best times, were deemed not passing QC and safety checks even _by russian standards_ (imagine just how fucked they were).

>>64224470
It's actually pretty sad in this sense because for centuries the policy was to move out perspective talent closer to the imperial core and russify those people, have them adopt the language, names, customs and so on. Even during the "internationalism" and "friendship of peoples" soviet times it was low-key cultivated that non-russians should be ashamed of their roots and pose as russian in one way or another.

>>64225174
>a) half of them aren't actually ethnic russian;
Which, what ethnicity are they, and do you hold Germans to the same standard and calling them Bavarian, Westfalian, etc?
>b) most of them are overrated bullshit since centuries ago;
Textbook cope and seethe.

>>64225174
>Nabokov
Ah, the hebophile.

>>64225197
>Which, what ethnicity are they
Nabokov (baltic & german), Rimsky-Korsakov (lithuanian & polish), Vereshchagin (tatar) at the very least.
Also Dostoevsky (from around the polish-lithuanian origin), Tchaikovsky (orthodox polish & ukie), to a lesser degree also Rachmaninoff (of moldovan nobility).
Arguably Tarkovsky (look up from where his father was) and Kandinsky (of finno-ugric mansi people nobility), Vrubel (from polish nobility).

>Textbook cope and seethe.
Not really, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky are masturbatory bullshit for dumb cunts who want to suck on some of that mysterious russian soul. Even if we go by russian literature (which I had to study, unlike you faggot) there are dozen of better examples.

>>64225228
>Dostoevsky are masturbatory bullshit for dumb cunts who want to suck on some of that mysterious russian soul.

Nah, Dostoevsky wasn’t writing some "mysterious russian soul" fanfic. He was basically writing documentaries. Westerners just mistook the grotesque misery of average russian life for "philosophical darkness"

>>64225228
Name five real Russians that aren't Jackie Chan.

>which I had to study, unlike you faggot
I see, and there's the source of the coping and seething. You're right, I didn't have to study anything, I simply enjoy reading literature.

>>64225279
I know, but unironically seeing Dostoevsky as something great is a hallmark of those mysterious russian soul suckers.

>>64225174
>most of them are overrated bullshit since centuries ago;
kys

>Ackshully, he was Welsh/Scottish/Irish/Pictish/Gaelic/Gallic/Celtic/Norman/Saxon/Danish rapebaby/Breton/Jewish, Anglos have never accomplished anything in all of history!
As an American, European racism always seems so autistic to me. Here, there's just people and niggers.

>>64225981
>Here, there's just niggers and lighter niggers.

>>64223536 (OP)
>So what really happened?

stunning breaches of discipline, shoddy, obsolete and poorly maintained equipment
negligence, incompetence, and mismanagement

>>64223536 (OP)
it sank

>>64224542
God, it's like reading a really poorly formatted greentext. Why.