Thread 64225997

What’s causing this surge in big wig European companies to make long comp guns?

>>64225997 (OP)
Well you see they just churn out varying bullshit and convince normies they need it or theyll be outgunned and die. They go from micros to macros and back and forth. Soon we'll return to glawk 19 sized guns then again to micros then again to giant comped 6" barrels

>>64225997 (OP)
Ben blowhard and the several generations of con artist comp shooters before him who have absolutely no business in self defense, combat or law enforcement shooting training have driven the consumer market in a retard direction. Welcome to retard world. Thanks Ben, you gave the gun world the equivalent of aids.

>>64226006
>>64226009
Lol it's true though. People carrying 2011s are legitimately retarded.

>>64225997 (OP)
I think it's just the "I want to have the best thing" phenomenon driven by social media. Kind of like people buying stiff sports cars or huge trucks when they don't do anything related to them irl.

I don't think too many are retarded to carry them but the original shadow maybe, kind of, sort of fell into the "combat pistol with competition pedigree" category.

I am guessing everyone is going back to the Hellcat and Shield for carry now.

Also this target shit is taking it a step too far, Shadow was maybe fine, but everyone is going to go back to the Ruger MK4 for target.

>>64226034
You’ve got cops blowing huge amounts of taxpayer money on this shit now too.

>>64226109
Well to be fair, one out of 18 rounds shot by cops actually hit their target

>>64225997 (OP)
These guns aren't marketed towards the average shooter who buys a carry gun and never shoots it. These steel-frame, hammer-fired, match-trigger, long-slide guns are being marketed towards gun enthusiasts who have too many guns collecting dust but want a few more.

Is it unnecessary? Maybe, but you can buy one of these long-slide handguns and live out your inner Agent 47 fantasies.

>>64225997 (OP)
Arent those new Steyrs just Arex Alphas and Zero 2s?

>>64226109
i have heard from a cop from nevada that they tried sti/stacato and they had some slide break problems and dumped the guns for glock or some other striker pistol
i cant belive us marshals use 2011s as a standard gun its insane how boomer minded some gun guys are

>>64225997 (OP)
ngl im starting to think g19 form factor is retarded anyway
for range and open carry a big gun is fine
if you are actually carrying every single day youd buy a hellcat or p365
what the fuck is g19 form factor for? conceal carry but you get 4 more rounds and slightly softer shooting but you will only carry it when you know you are about to get into some shit and never daily (without being spotted)?
a snub nose revolver pocket carry + comp gun would be most practical. you get range and open carry use and you dont need to draw from your cc

>>64226453
Early STIs were awful. Thankfully they had a lot of beta testers to improve their product from awful to mediocre. Now they can compete with nu-Kimber.

>the surge

wat? are you retarded or just sensationalizing your thread for extra engagement?

Fuck CZ for discontinuing all their unique rifles so they could crank out more John Wick tacticool slop.

longgat make boolet more shootier
> also better sight radius

>>64226652
they're boomer lead owned, btw what did they make before?

>>64225997 (OP)
Steyr discontinuing their M9 line for this Sig-cosmetics-over-an-Arex-CZ99 bullshit is insane.

Fuck em

Honestly at least theyre making something people want to take out and shoot instead of marketing it as the next gen of combat pistols. Will I buy one when I already have a nice 92? No but theyre still nice

>>64226349
Yeah, they will be even made by Arex under Steyr brand

>>64225997 (OP)
Europeans are stupid

>>64227214
If we're so stupid then why do we make better guns than you yanks?

>>64227312
>we

>>64227321
Whiter than you Gonzales

>>64227131
Fucking based, Arex makes good shit

>>64227312
>European rifles replaced with AR derivatives

>>64225997 (OP)
>porting's simple and relatively cheap

Pistol calibers are inefficient. May as well make mechanical use of excess gas, if only to reduce perceived recoil with full slide length(s). It's a value proposition in a market becoming as uninspired and boring as contemporary car design. Old Goats like Glock resting on their laurels while charging less than competitively featured same old shit compound this.

>all this seething about 2011s unprompted
you love to see it

>>64226485
I guess if you don't want to buy a full size AND subcompact, or you're in a state like mine where you only get 15 rounds

>>64230887
Colorado huh? Next year they’re banning all suppressors.

>>64227322
Is that why euros haven't designed their own guns in 50 years?

>>64226328
>Is it unnecessary?
Well the obvious answer is yes, HOWEVER thankfully we live in a country founded on the principle of rights rather than necessity so we can buy all sorts of impractical shit or very niche things.

>>64225997 (OP)
IPSC standard division is very popular, hence why euro companies make 6'' guns.

>>64226652
Does CZ even still make CZ75 with all the safety features?

>>64231557
>Well the obvious answer is yes
Liberal lies! Clearly, we need to carry two of these in a shoulder holster. lol

>>64225997 (OP)
Most people who buy handguns don't carry them. They use them for target shooting and nightstand duty.

The "duty pistol" ethos (compact but not too compact, max stupid manual of farms) isn't really a fit for civilians, who mostly benefit from subcompacts and hammer fired guns

>>64226009
>Ben blowhard and the several generations of con artist comp shooters before him who have absolutely no business in self defense, combat or law enforcement shooting training have driven the consumer market in a retard direction
QRD?

>>64225997 (OP)
>Steyr brand the Arex Rex 2
>still keep that ugly toylike hammer
Come the fuck on

>>64231846
Is that why full size pistols sit on shelves while compacts and microcompacts sell like crazy?

>>64226453
>its insane how boomer minded some gun guys are
it's the ig effect, they want to look cool

>>64233947
I mean, most people want a gun that will fit in their pocket, not on their duty belt.

>>64233415
Mad that he can't hit the range as often as he'd like. So in impotent range the guy rattles off the first names he can remember, mostly comp shooters. Competition shooters really do know what they're talking about though. We shoot more in a month than most guys shoot in their life.

>>64231486
Nobody is saying that Europeans that emigrated to USA couldn't design good guns.

>>64230853
Kino

>>64230913
LOL

>>64225997 (OP)
>Giuseppe: Iz shame nobody like the big-a pistoli, they have a higher markup-a than-a the smallssimo ones
>Franz: Ya, if only ze target shooting vuz not seen as das autistic hobby fur den people who look like zey need to wear ein helmet fur stairs gedescending
>…
>Yusuf Amca: Merhaba, effendim

>>64233441
It looks cool

This entire general seems to be dumber than usual today

>>64241087
It's not possible to make /k/ dumber, it's bottomed out.
We tried, but if we drop even a single IQ point, they're too retarded to conceptualize what a gun is and thus will stop posting.

>>64241038
The comp model's hammer looks cool
The "service" model has a hammer that looks the same but the dimple pretending to be a hole just reminds me of a cheap Chinese toy

>>64230853
whats wrong with that girl's face?

>>64225997 (OP)
they go to competition with them? it's rare to carry guns in europe, even with influx or thirdies europe is safe if you know which places to avoid. most people shoot here as a sport not for self defense

>>64243098
terminally asian :(

>>64243158
I'd carry mine if I could, but alas, banned in 1998

>>64243158
>most people shoot here as a sport not for self defense
That's because they can't

>>64227049
Where the hell did you see they discontinued the M9A2?

>>64225997 (OP)
Because overall the euro market is centered around competitive shooting not personal protection like in the US. Ask any competitive shooter in the US if they think a ported/compensated long slide pistol is better for a match over a compact or subcompact carry gun?

>>64245352
Nothing's stopping us
I would if I saw the need, the law be damned

>>64245352
at least in Poland I can carry, and use for self defense if my life is in danger, if I am getting mugged I can't really shoot at him. If my city looked like paris or frankfurt I would be carrying it

>>64226652
>Fuck CZ
All you had to day senpai

>>64225997 (OP)
the EU standardized gun laws make it easier to own a pistol in a lot of the bloc than it was 20 years ago, but not carry it, and the amount of paperwork and limits on the number of guns you can own at one time in a lot of countries mean that it makes more sense to own one really nice pistol than one duty-grade pistol.

>>64241087
>today

>>64230824
5.56 is on the way out but the replacement isn't decided yet, you'd have to be mentally retarded not to just buy something good enough off the shelf until it's settled.