Thread 64228879

How would you protect this building from bad people with small arms and evil intentions? Say a lunatic with an AR-15 or a handful of them.

>>64228879 (OP)
Is this a reference to something?
I tried Google imaging the church but fuck if that shit gives anything useful these days.

>>64228879 (OP)
Static positions are not readily defensiible from assault by firetimes using suppress and manouvre. Your defenses should be extremal, road blocks and a ready response team/reserve when contact happens. YOu're not holing up in it and winning Vs aggressors who can suppress until they get a can of gas or high explosive in there under suppression on a flank, raios are your friend, roadblaock are your friend and a few vehicles full of kick ass doing bounding overwatch showing up behind them are your win

>>64228879 (OP)
Drones inside church

>>64228879 (OP)
bulletproof walls and storm covers on the windows, screening on entrance and fire door if you allow guns in there at all you may allow a nut in

>>64228908
I just mean a lone wackjob with AR or a band of 3-4 wackjobs. Like Nashville or Minneapolis. Maybe a security guard and some cameras? We are talking about a small, rural house of worship.

>>64228918
That depends on if you're willing to take some civilian casualties. If you are, two dudes with rifles sitting in the back of the church should be enough. If not, shit gets really expensive really fast

>>64228924

We are talking about rural America, not like Gaza where zionists bomb churches full of Christian children with F-35s. I think a single security guard would be enough, but what concerns me is a small band rather than a lone nutjob.

Would a single security guard be enough? Maybe until police showed up or neighbors with arms. Averting a worst case scenario, like Christchurch, New Zealand. Someone attacking a bunch of unarmed people in a peaceful house of worship.

>>64229010

>That depends on if you're willing to take some civilian casualties

No. Zero casualties. Perpetrators subdued and arrested or legally neutralized. Worst case scenario, like Nashville or Minneapolis.

>>64229036
Yeah, then you need a perimeter around the church and a checkpoint with armed guards. A tall fence with security cameras should be fine, it doesn't need to be actively patrolled

>>64228924
Remember to daisy chain them, and have more than one line.

>>64228879 (OP)
Build a fucking wall

>>64228879 (OP)
Just give all the church goers glocks.

>>64228879 (OP)
I'm not going to say anything on the chance that you are some troon psycho planning a mass shooting and pretending it's a "what if" scenario

>>64228879 (OP)
I know the tradcaths and orthobros will get mad at me for saying this, but I think these old Southern churches are beautiful.

>>64228879 (OP)
Burn and bulldoze it. Replace it with an earth mound for burial chambers and rituals for the awakening of chosen ancestors within oneself.
The sacred mound will be protected by Constellis' Triple Canopy company and other remnant of former Blackwater.

>>64228879 (OP)
>he worries about 'protecting' the church
>he doesn't welcome his enemies in and bless them and pray for them while they kill him
Do you even follow the teachings of our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ?

>>64228879 (OP)
If it was the ultimate soft target .i.e the Amish ancient percussion smoothbore muskets (War of 1812 era) repurposed as 20ga/.69 Caliber shot guns that they brought along as hunting weapons on the way to church would be their only weapons. A few might have pistols but that would be VERY rare.

A few might have something like old Carcano carbines that they use to shoot deer, they would be carrying them to hunt on the way back home from the Church. Many of them avoid military firearms as a matter of religious devotion.

>>64232184
The Amish also like .410 break action bird guns that they poach deer with constantly, they also seem to be coming around to basic crossbows in a big way.

>>64232180
It's like he doesn't wanna go to heaven or something.

>>64232225
>>64232180

Read their founders wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Willems

One of the best humans to ever exist.

>>64228879 (OP)
>How would you protect this building from bad people with small arms and evil intentions?
Leave

>>64230624
>big bad pagan gods got beaten by one crucified man
Lmao

>>64232301
The only correct answer is "With my life"

>>64232301
Off topic and unrelated to anything else in this thread, your gun looks awesome.

Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOKWFlbIVlQ

>>64228879 (OP)
The scenario is problematic because those walls are not going to stop much, but most people don't know that, and there's a world of difference between trying to protect it from people spraying from 100+ yards away and protecting it from people who believe they need to walk up to the windows or get inside.

Two guards. One in a lookout tower. One in the building. Lookout has ak outside inside has shotty

>>64229918
Nah, I'm with ya. There's something charming in the simplicity of it.

The forested setting is doing some heavy lifting though. I doubt I'd like it as much in a city.

>>64228879 (OP)
Plant line of sight blocking trees to keep someone from shooting through the windows from a distance.
Strategically place Big Fucking Rocks and stone walls to prevent vehicles from ramming or car bombing the building.
A decorative iron fence to make it difficult to approach from the sides without being obvious.
The ushers are armed and only half of them are acting as ushers while the rest are on the lookout for out of place individuals.
Cameras in the parking lot that run 24/7 and someone whose job it is to review rhe footage for people casing the church.
A license plate reader at the parking lot entrance so the video review guy can cross reference it to get the identity of weird people coming on to the property.
Pay an off-duty cop to hang out in the vestibule during services.
Regularly have contact with local law enforcement to discuss the local threat environment.

>>64232225
Heaven's a bombed-out contaminated shithole, who'd want to go there? The fucking abyss (aka in the place where the only people are suicides and survivalists) is much more livable at this point.

>>64232184
The Amish hoard guns you retard.

stop being religious would help. abolish all churches

>>64228879 (OP)
A single AR-15 is already two handfuls.

>>64235977
An honest atheist MUST admit that religion is required for the majority of human beings (IQ 85-115 is the normal range) to have functional morality without turning into horrid pieces of shit so fuck nah

Luv me church

>>64228879 (OP)
Add more towers and convince churchgoers that John Moses Browning actually did get his guns from God and a good christian ought to have a 1911 at the least

give me like 8 guys?
4 inside the church with ARs, and 4 outside with hunting rifles who are spread around. AR guys hold them off for a bit, then hunting rifle guys start taking them out from different directions.

>>64228879 (OP)
>protecting a United Statian """building"""" from an armed assailant
The walls are made out of cardboard, they would just need to shoot at the building. Build better buildings.

>>64237392
Christianity doesn't work for that. Too forgiving. You need a religion that says you're 100% fucked if you dared to sin and it's final.

>>64228879 (OP)
Allow the redcoats to fortify their positions around the church using tombstones as makeshift barriers to protect their cannons!

>>64229036
You need to lock the doors then, or have a set of double doors set as a checkpoint to stop people from freely coming and going. Good luck getting your congregation to go with that, but that’s your only real option. Then, you need to fortify the walls. Concrete, 6x6 beams, whatever you can get to add some thickness in case someone tries shooting into the church from outside.
Then, you need a fire suppression system, and GOOD one, in case someone dumps gasoline and lights a match to try to kill more in addition to shooting.
Finally, you need armed security to run the entire thing.
There. That’s about as good as you’re going to get.

>>64238880
>Turn
Fucking based
>Filename
Kek’d

>>64228879 (OP)
I would probably use a gun.

>>64238862
>You need a religion that says you're 100% fucked if you dared to sin and it's final.
The Qin dynasty existed for only 16 years.

>>64235977
>>64238862
Computer bring up the statistics of atheists voting for increased vs decreased gun rights candidates.

>>64242107
>that ONE country with strict laws collapsed, so strict laws are bad
Meanwhile Singapore's crime statistics compared to US crime statistics.

>>64243066
Don't confuse progressivism cultists for atheists. They just worship another god.

>>64228879 (OP)
How much you can do is entirely up to how willing the pastor is to let you.

At bare minimum you want two regulars armed and sitting in different parts of the church. Even better if the pastor/somebody facing the pews is one of them. You want multiple because if they get hit first or they aren't there that day then you're defenseless.

Ideally you want as many trustworthy parishioners to be armed and spread out as possible. If your pastor is willing, it's just as important to have people trained in first aid. Stop the Bleed courses in my area are typically $10-20, run a couple of hours, and they would be happy to come to the church on a weeknight if there are people interested. If you're an "end times" type church he might even be onboard for an organized security team that goes to the range together once a month or so. If your scenario of 3-4 attackers happens you're going to take casualties, that's just how it's going to be short of Divine intervention. Your job is to limit those both by having men who can stop the intruders and others who can keep the wounded alive until help arrives.

>>64229036
These guys are right. Unless you're running a doomsday cult the congregation absolutely will not agree to the staggering amount of money and regulations you would need to put in for guaranteed safety. Your church would look (and feel) like a prison.

>>64229918
I couldn't agree more. There's a unique charm to Southern/Appalachian Christianity. I also love our Orthodox chants but I don't know any Christian who could hear this and not be moved https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6hkbIdycpc

>>64232180
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one." There's a difference between being forgiving and being a doormat.

>>64243258
>Meanwhile Singapore's crime statistics compared to US crime statistics.
Wow, a nigger free tax haven microstate, that's totally applicable to US or every other country out there.