Thread 64229820

Is a classic M4 still relevant? Is a free float handguard or mid length gas system really a major improvement?

>>64229820 (OP)
>Is a classic M4 still relevant?
Yes
>Is a free float handguard or mid length gas system really a major improvement?
Not major, but they're nice

>>64229820 (OP)
Killing your enemy in direct combat is the most effective way to conquer their cities and lanes of commerce.

Our current technology is mostly limited to throwing metal at your enemy very, very fast for 90% of engagements.

An m4 rifle throws metal very, very fast at your enemy. It does this essentially as effectively as other, similar tools.

Yes, it is still relevant.

>>64229820 (OP)
>Is a free float handguard
Yea, particularly in the case of of things like your picrel, you want an IR laser to hold zero
>Mid length gas
Not really, going from carbine to rifle on something like an SPR can be meaningful though

>>64229820 (OP)
>Is a classic M4 still relevant?
Yes
>Is a free float handguard or mid length gas system really a major improvement?
Yes

>>64229820 (OP)
I think the block 1 M4 is pure sexo
having said that I've thought of doing a block 2 build except midlength gas
does anyone have both a midlength 14.5" and a (properly ported 0.0625" gas port) carbine gas 14.5"? how do they compare in terms of brapping in your face?

>>64229820 (OP)
>Is a classic M4 still relevant?
yeah
>Is a free float handguard or mid length gas system really a major improvement?
I can't speak for the gas system, but a free float handguard had a small but noticeable effect, namely the complete lack of point of impact shift depending on how you hold it.

>>64229820 (OP)
We'll deploy to Mars with a M4. Mark my words. It'll never go away

>>64229820 (OP)
They're kino but mid length gas makes ARs way nicer to shoot. If you want to free float it get a daniel defense omega rail, it's drop in so you don't have to cut the delta ring off

>>64229854
I opened this thread to say exactly this.

>>64229820 (OP)
Yeah, its fine. The people who push their guns to the point where they would benefit from free floating, already have them. IMO service rifle MOA has become a very "civilian" thing (for want of a better word) to fixate on. Like for an isolated SOF or recon unit where an engagement may legitimately be decided by 4 guys with just their carbines, it may be relevant; but everybody else in the military is dealing with distant targets using M240s, MAAWS and a mortar platoon. Mid length is a categorical upgrade, but again, not really worth the squeeze for most people.

>>64229914
Except guns don't work in a vacuum of space dumbass

>>64229984
you are retarded

>>64229984
Why wouldn't they?

>>64229824
/thread

>>64229984
You're mentally ill

>>64229820 (OP)
Yes it's still one of if not the best fighting rifle in the world rn. The thing is with free float and midlength gas is that they are nice to have, but aren't good enough to justify upgrading from the M4A1 if that's already what you have. If you are just adopting the AR, then ya you can go ahead and do those "upgrades," but if you've already been running M4s it doesn't matter and you should keep what you got. In general even for your average joe, free floating and midlength gas don't even matter that much, even less so for a giant military

Anyways M4A1 is GOATed and will be used on Mars

>>64229824
fpbp

>>64229917
I really like the omega rail but sadly the one I had ate the teeth off of my Delta ring. It didn't impair any performance at the time but I was worried that under abuse the rail would eventually break off or something more dramatic. Can't say I recommend them or recommend against them but I will say be careful if you have one anon

>>64230175
Stupid AI, it would travel in an extremely long arc due to gravity.

>>64229820 (OP)
>Is a free float handguard or mid length gas system really a major improvement?

you're always better off having it than not having it.... but war is expensive and there are far more important investments, like logistics, artillery, industrial capacity, etc.

>>64230028
retarded scene, retarDEId show, im mad just thinking about it

>>64229917
>drop in
>free float
these are incompatible terms. What supports the front of the handguard?

>>64230790
it is drop in and free float. I own one.
>What supports the front of the handguard?
nothing.

>>64230790
I was just looking it up.
It free floats off the D-ring barrel nut.
Was looking it up myself, the carbine gas is only 7" long though wich is kinda pathetic tbqh.

>>64229820 (OP)
>>is the classic m4 still relevant
I honestly have yet to see anything better to fill its role. Im not sure why they didn't just switch from 5.56 to 6.8spc and call it a day.

>>64230802
>carbine gas is only 7" long though wich is kinda pathetic tbqh.
How do you mean? That's normal, standard length for carbine gas with an fsb.

gun is gun

>>64229984
They do work. However, overheating would quickly become a problem due to a lack of convection cooling.

>>64229820 (OP)
The M4 is going to be relevant for a long, long time.

>>64229820 (OP)
I think the fact that it's outlasted and replaced all the things that were made to replace it over the last ~20+ years says it all.

We’ve hit peak “shooting metal out of a tube via chemical combustion”

>>64229820 (OP)
Free float is honestly less important to me than simply a longer handguard. I don't think most people realize the m4 handguard is shorter than a mk18 handguard. 7in inches is really not ideal when you have to slap a LAM on it. 9-11in would really be the sweet spot. A decent two stage trigger and 11in free floated rail would solve most of my grievances. Forgive the airslop pic.

>>64230254
>ate the teeth
Yikes. How did you notice that and what were you doing? I have one that i run pretty hard with a WML, sling bipod or grippod and can.

You could trim along the edges with barrel profile caliber operating system, metallurgy but the M4 is peak shooty.

>>64229861
I don't know for sure if the 14.5 carbine has a proper gas port size, it is a Colt barrel. That being said, the midlength gas is more comfortable to shoot. Recoil is better (carbine buffer on both) and gas is a little less. Midlength has a Radian Raptor charging handle, carbine is Mil-spec.

>>64230175
>posting the digital dumbass

>>64229820 (OP)
Yes but give it mid gas and magpul furniture, then ur GTG

>>64232525
that handguard doesn't work well with lasers, the rest would be an upgrade.

>>64232535
Yeah if your into NVGs go with >>64229917
I'm too much of a poor for that doe

>>64232550
yeah, if you don't have NVGs the plastic headguards are really comfy. I really like the CAR-15 handguard.

>>64231920
I have restless AR syndrome so I was uninstalling it one day. I think this may be an attributing factor to why the teeth broke, as installing it and uninstalling it more than once can maybe cause an issue. Regardless, it's still a concerning problem and worth keeping and eye on just in case it happens to you. I can't remember but you may be fine just pulling the D ring back and looking at the barrel nut teeth every now and then and seeing if they are all still intact around the screws that hold the rail in place. Worth a little paranoia imo

>>64229820 (OP)
>free float
its a nice improvement, doenst really matter because the caliber and the GED 70iq mutt behind the trigger isnt going to notice
>mid length
for longevity and less parts wear yeah absolutely a improvement. again the GED 70iq mutt armory monkey isnt going to notice. as long as he gets it back white glove clean and dryer than your grandmas pussy he dont care

>>64229838
>Killing your enemy in direct combat is the most effective way to conquer their cities and lanes of commerce.
Are you sure about that? What about using political donations and lobbying to influence their governmental processes?

>>64229845
>you want an IR laser to hold zero
For the ranges of 40m that lasers are used for?

>>64233067
Are you a little slow?

>>64233062
*next to jews subverting nations for their own amusement, direct confrontation is the most effective way of progressing ground war in 6,000 b.c. - 2025 a.d.

No.

>>64233116
Due to the nature of convergence, lasers can only be accuracy for so long.

>>64229820 (OP)
I mean, why wouldn’t it be? I guess maybe you can say .308 is a better general-purpose round for civvies, but 5.56 is a very very good round too. Just depends what you prefer.

A) small arms don't change big picture stuff
B) the m4 is still perfectly acceptable and is far far far from obsolete.
C) iron sights may even be beneficial if logistics suffer

>>64229820 (OP)
A4 a better

>>64234998
one day I'm going to spend an exorbitant amount of money to import one of those and an A2 to my third world shithole*, in fact if I ever strike it billionaire rich I'm setting up networks and importing every single piece of mil slurp you have left, you faggot americans are going to regret making those guns so damn sexy

*semi auto only

>>64230175
>gAIy says it can work
Google Gemini also told it's users to eat poison mushrooms anon, you also gonna start making deathcap soup?

>>64229820 (OP)
Is a classic M4 still relevant?

no way dude. they're obsolte now. you can just let somebody shoot you and you will be fine.

You may not like it, but is what peak military issued rifle looks like.

>>64236643
Are sharp sticks obsolete? No, they will still keel. In fact, even a dull stick can do it!