Thread 64237130

What is the viability of the super safety in a combat setting, specifically urban combat? I slapped one in my AR, and, not to be that guy, but it seems just as good as full auto without the downsides of either spending thousands or breaking the law. I found it almost indistinguishable from the real thing. They even have a selector version sold by performance triggers now rather than the cross bolt safety. Is this leveling the playing field for civilians to have the same fire power as military and law enforcement legally? Is there any downsides to this?
>Inb4 muh lever breakage
This only happens when you are a retard and either A. Use a 3d printed one like a dumb ass, or B. Get one with a shit build quality from a non reputable company. If you get a quality steel version from a reputable company, this will not happen.

>>64237130 (OP)
They're a fun gimmick that I'd never rely on in case of emergency.

>>64237136
But why, though?

>urban combat
>worried about breaking the law by third holing his AR

If you're in any situation where it's a full blown war in your area are you really worried that the ATF are going to brave random gunfire to arrest you?

>>64237146
Yes, but as of right now, the sun is still shining and the streets are still decently walkable and the boogaloo hasn't happened, so the possibility of the ATF kicking in your door for having a 3rd pin is all but guaranteed. Remember how nobody said you wouldn't just convert it to third pin in a shtf situation where laws don't matter? I was speaking on simply the practicality of it and how useful it would be compared to a third pin, as well as if it would be viable enough to last in a shtf scenario into an AR could be readily converted. I bet your mommy still has to tell you not to breathe with your mouth open, you smooth brained fuck.

>It seems just as good as full auto
That's because it is full auto.

>>64237141
Because they're brand new and unproven, and some are breaking? Have you not been paying attention to the FRT threads? They're toys now. They are for fun and there's nothing wrong with that, not everything has to be OPERATOR GO TO WAR TACTICAL

>>64237170
>Yes, but as of right now, the sun is still shining and the streets

Ok, then who cares. Third hole it and stash it for the bad times

>I bet your mommy still has to tell you not to breathe with your mouth open, you smooth brained fuck.

Ah, vitriolic retard but too scared for a bit of misanthropy. Understandable

>>64237214
Retarded faggot ONCE AGAIN missing the entire point of the thread. Log off and go jerk off to your gf getting fucked by niggers some more.

>>64237200
Numerous accounts of them lasting thousands of rounds. As every other part, it has a risk of breaking. I don't accept "because it might break" as an answer. If it were CHRONICALLY prone to breaking, I might accept that answer, but the ones that are actually properly cut/machined from high quality steel are not gonna break.

>>64237276
Would you really trust your life to something that just came out? Really not smart when you have so many proven battle tested options that have been out for a long time. The design of these makes them inherently less reliable to feed the next round because they rely on using some of the bolt carrier inertia to reset the trigger. Precise semi auto fire is used by the military by everyone except designated machine gunners, so putting them in your AR doesn't really make it "more tactical WROL sheep dawg" especially when the design makes it less reliable.

>>64237320
not to mention that there are tons of videos of forced reset triggers giving wildly different RPMs during the course of a single magdump from start to finish

>>64237170
If the world falls to shit and the rules of law no longer exist, trigger groups and auto sears are retard easy to manifacture and if you can't manage it, you're likely retarded.

>>64237130 (OP)
>Legally
Nigger I live in Florida we are cucked down here in Ron Desantis's Freedumb state
Gotta watch out for the tourist and Jews in the south tip of the wang

>>64237386
Nobody asked about your retarded nigger and shit skin infested swamp shit hole, florigger. Go fuck another alligator.

>>64237320
>>64237136
>>64237200

broke nigga alert

>>64237214
>third hole it
There's significantly more than just a third hole, retard. You need extra parts and you have to machine out part of the lower.

>>64237320
they didn't "just come out" retard. Forced reset triggers in general have been around since the 40's, the original AR-15 forced reset patent has been around since the 70's. The Super Safety is "new" buts it operates in a very well understood manner. It's literally just a piece of steel, there's nothing to go wrong.

>>64237320
That's why I got the 3 position ambi FRT

Nigger

>>64237514
wow, damn an FA sear/bolt/selector/trigger and a low/m4/m16 cut receiver. All easily purchasable

>>64237611
>All easily purchasable

yeah but you haven't, you dont even have a drill press. you dont even know how to use those blueprints.

>>64237623
>erm ackshullay

pitifully brown

>>64237664
He's right you know

>>64237670
>samefagging

>>64237682
>Someone sided with the person I disagree with, therefore they are samefagging
Cope harder.

>>64237611
Not op
>shift
>lmao

This decision isnt as free and clear as youre making it and im not going to risk federal prison and losing my rights for life if theres a decent enough alternative that I can use for range dumps, and perhaps HD. Im not wanting to go to war, but would like to know just how durable they could be in a similar scenario should it become my bump in the night.
>average self defense shooting is X rounds
Yeah yeah yeah, idgaf.

>>64237581
"there's nothing to go wrong" except it takes some inertia from the bolt going forward to reset the trigger and changes RPM during a magdump making it less reliable and inconsistent, something you don't want to bet your life on retard
>used since the 40's
absolutely no one really used these at all since 2023, don't act like they've been in common use since the 40s because of a patent that wasn't really used

>>64237585
that 3 position is no more reliable than the others retard, it's a fun toy

>>64237458
tacticool sheepdawg alert. I bet you only own like 3 guns and they're all for
>muh SHTF

>>64237939
>>64237944
>>64237951
Suck a fucking cock and die of aids. Ur mom gay.

>>64237998
Oh nooo, I hurt the tactical LARPers fee fees by insisting a part he bought is just for fun, and not for muh epic combat

Why does it bother you so much to hear that an optional gun part is for fun, and not to rely your life on it? Is it because every gun you own has to be "ready for war"? Is it because you feel like you wasted $300+ on something that might make it more prone to jams or inconsistent RPM? There's nothing wrong with just having one for fun. Massive butthurt is happening and it's hilarious.
>HOW DARE YOU SAY MY FRT ISN'T COMBAT PROVEN, SUCK A COCCCKK!!!!!11
lmao

>>64237682
Pictured: an anti frtnigger in le epic cibil war 2 upon being pumped full of lead by Jamal Damalkaway with his $300 PSA and a chinese ss
>"aye dat shit ain't combat proven doe-ACK!!!!"

>>64237130 (OP)
Extremely viable. Nay sayers are just coping and seething cause they live in a slave state and or they're too poor. It's effectively full auto. The quality cross-bolt selectors won't break. The ARC Fire Selector will likely be the best in class solution, but the market is nascent, so I expect lots of great options and competition coming down the pipeline.

Buy super safeties. Mass proliferation is key to entrenched these legally. We have 3 years to see mass adoption. Tell all your friends. Give them away to friends and family at Christmas and birthdays.

>>64238044
I love FRTs, they are so much fun, it's hilarious how much that bothers you that they jam sometimes. It doesn't matter when that happens becuase there's nothing wrong with spending $300 just to have fun

>>64237581
I rock a super safety in my main rifle. Do what makes you happy.

Why can't someone make an FRT/SS with a normal selector? I don't want an ambi hex screw abomination or a gay cross bolt safety.

>>64238065
I believe that you have misinterpreted what I have posted. I like frts and super safeties, and I want them tossed out of helicopters by the handful over major population centers. You may think that I am trying to make a joke about black people, only slightly, but I believe that if enough of them get in the hands of everyone, full autos can get taken off of the NFA. And if it cannot, then everyone has something that is pretty similar to full auto.

>>64238107
Gotta agree with you on all points there

>>64238106
Tada!
https://www.performancetriggers.com/super-selektor-3-position-safety-for-ar-15-all-steel-1.html

>>64238106
Bazinga.

https://activesafetydesigns.com/ar15/arc-fire-trigger-ambi-kit/

https://atrius.dev/atrius-forced-reset-selector/

>>64238165
>>64238156
all of those utilize hex/torx. no thanks.

>>64237939
>it takes some inertia from the bolt going forward to reset the trigger
wrong

>>64238170
>$200 part to have a (not) machine legally
>spazes out over some minutia detail
I swear to Christ you people don't even own a single gun.

>>64237611
You are not a machinist, you don't even know how to read that, much less how to mill it. Nor do you have a mill, or a friend with a mill. That is essentially impossible for anyone stupid enough to think drilling the 3rd hole is the defining feature. That's the easiest part, and you're too stupid to even do that.

>>64237130 (OP)
About as viable as burst fire with the same potential failure point. In my experience you can cause a SS to fail to reset if you pull the trigger with an excessive amount of force, I've heard similar things happen with the old A2s as well. Granted, when I say excessive I mean white knuckling that trigger like it owes you money. That said, if it can occasionally happen to me on a controlled one way range I can see it happening often on a much more chaotic two way range where adrenaline is gonna kick in and you're bound to manipulate things with way more strength than you usually use. However, I've only experienced failures when straight magdumping, when firing in any kind of burst, even long 8 or 10 shot strings, there's no issues. Realistically anyone with any degree of trigger discipline isn't going to just straight FA dump mags outside of knife fighting distance, so ultimately I find it not impossible but very unlikely for a SS to fail in serious use. This all ignores the rotating motion SSes make when firing, which- while I've never encountered any issues with- appears to be an ingress point for dirt and a potential malfunction point if it gets gummed up

>>64238156
> 14 day heat treated, patent-pending curved lever
is this real?
Why would you heat treat anything for 14 days? Is this some kind of code?

Also I understand that they have to be careful with language, but the description is one of the cringiest things I have ever read.

>angry clown gets even angrier when it is pointed out xe is indeed a clown
>too fucking stupid to even learn how simple devices function
>including the contraption xe is shilling
lol

>>64237130 (OP)
Nobody wants these in any situation

>>64242135
Post a single gun you own.

>retard itt bringing up rof change
rate of fire increases from decreased mag spring pressure, mag-fed full autos do that

>>64237514
FA kits are $50 on gunbroker. FA cut lowers are $45 at PSA. $90 and you have a FA lower you can slap on your existing upper. That's $10-50 cheaper than a SS. You are a retard and a faggot, and you ain't mah niggah.

>>64243827
So you're advocating for hand making an illegal FA sear (which will cost you more than $10-50 all said and done) and risk going to nigger ass rape prison just so you can claim to save $10-50 on a fully legal super safety? What's your end game, nonconsensual BBC m-preg for 20 years?

I'm convinced that the handful of vocal critics of FRTs and super safeties on /k/ are legit paid glowies, seething about their legality and coping by funding them with this ridiculous copes

>>64243827
So you're advocating for hand making an illegal FA sear (which will cost you more than $10-50 all said and done) and risk going to nigger ass rape prison just so you can claim to save $10-50 on a fully legal super safety? What's your end game, nonconsensual BBC m-preg for 20 years?

I'm convinced that the handful of vocal critics of FRTs and super safeties on /k/ are legit paid glowies, seething about their legality and coping by fudding them with these ridiculous copes.

>>64244212
FA parts aren’t illegal.

>frt le BAD because its not a funny giggle switch
>his "real" machine gun is a 3d printed drop in that breaks before you finish a magazine and doesn't have 3 positions
>will constantly tell people their super safety isnt the real thing
>yet the people who actually own an illegal MG on this board are most likely hard supporters of FRTs and own both
larpers never stop larping

>>64238170
Are you a toollet?