Thread 64237440

>artillery and bombs don't work on the zombies because..... they just don't okay!
This book is actually really fucking stupid rereading it years later

it was always fucking stupid

>>64237440 (OP)
>>>/lit/

>>64237440 (OP)
Ok. Why did you post this on /k/? Surely this post has nothing to do with the catalog being filled with dogshit off topic threads today, right OP?

>>64237453
Israel paid me

>>64237455
based

The ONLY plausible way a military would fail against zombies is if like 50% of the population suddenly turned because they were already infected walking dead style. Even then it takes suspension of belief but with Yonkers in the book the US could literally just send 10 artillery shells every few minutes and turn the area into paste and repeat

>>64237478
In Will Smith's Vampire-Zombie movie the disease was air communicable and 99% of the world got infected before people started going feral
Same with Left 4 Dead. Pretty much the only semi-plausible zombie/infected scenario involves the entire world going to shit at the same exact time or outright magic bullshit like Trioxin

>>64237497
>outright magic bullshit like Trioxin
Genuinely dogshit writing. I fucking hate those films.

>>64237497
You just gotta handwave a lot of bullshit in general and max brooks really went overboard trying to explain everything. The chapter about India becoming zombie mecca because of religious superstition was kino though and would 100% happen

>>64237440 (OP)
No shit.
Garbage slop written by a jew son of a jew movie director so when the shitty book is adapted to a shitty movie the jew gets the money for the story, even though it was completely redone from scratch for the movie.

Reactivation by trioxin may be preferable to zombies that can detect deadly diseases like high-tech sensors.

>>64237530
When did zombies go from magical/chemical bullshit to being a plague anyways? It was definitely a concept before 28 days later, but zombies being from a virus or whatever is mega retarded. Not being able to stop them until the bodies are completely destroyed is much more scarier than rabies

>>64237537
Resident Evil

We need to provide a reason for the zombie's body to remain in a decaying state.
It seems easier to just say that it's not decaying and just going berserk.

The chapter where the apartheid guy gets hugged by Nelson Mandela and goes insane and pretends to be black is fucking hilarious

>>64237566
Zombies that don't die after losing blood or not having food are my least favorite. It's so dumb because you know that after a point the tissues cannot survive without any energy.

>>64237478
The way to do it would be to have it start in the military due to vaccines or something.

>>64237634
Tainted water or food supply is better

>>64237537
I think the biggest appeal of viruses is that they narratively shorthand that there is nothing except zombies that are unique to the setting compared to real life. Less “baggage”. If a wizard makes a zombie curse, then you have zombies, but also wizards, and presumably other magic. If its an indian burial ground then now indians are magic and in a setting that lasts longer than an hour of media, indians being magic will have to be addressed. Magic zombies are fine for magic settings like warhammer, or short movies like classic zombie flicks, but for a long book/comic series or a 20 hour long video game, “zombies without baggage” is often preferred.

>>64237651
We should return to space radiation. Interesting angle on the whole thing and can explain where the energy is coming from.

>>64237651
>zombies without baggage
I wonder what luggage zombies would carry.

>>64237690
I think anon meant emotional baggage - you know, "So-and-so tried to shoot me when I bit them", or "I fell into a deadfall trap at a gas station and smelling gasoline makes me relive standing in that pit for 72 hours straight".

>>64237440 (OP)
Did you born after COVID???

>>64237709
The book came out nearly 20 years ago anon

>>64237440 (OP)
People used to rave about the book A LOT. It was one of the most requested books to be adapted to film back in the day.

>>64237453
>Why did you post this on /k/?
I know right? Reading is stupid. OP, there was a movie, you don't have to read.

>>64237717
There's been rumors about a sequel which is why I did my annual rereading. It's pretty dated now. In the book the Ukrainian government retreats to Crimea lol

>>64237690
Samsonite or Samantha Brown, hands down.

>>64237723
If only they had followed his advice, dude!

ya it was dumb but it was "baby's first /k/, /out/ /x/, so ya while it was retarded in alot of ways, it set alot of people on the right path.

>>64237723
David Fincher was supposed to direct the sequel I recall. He dropped out of the project all of a sudden though. Probably got traumatized because he couldn't have control over the movie just like Alien 3.

>>64237751
Also credit where the credit is due, the book is the rare case of a story about a zombie pandemic with nations fighting them head-on and winning. Not a lot of those when it comes to zombie fiction.

>>64237714
So? did you not live on a city in the covid?
Fucking retards made the pandemy worst, nothing to do with guns the goverment can control early stages, and would not bomb populated urban areas or important infrastructure because democracy or some /pol/ shit, they even say how best korea removes all people teeths
Wanna real example
I had an "known infected" cousin working as waiter in a restaurant, cause of is boss (anti-vaxer) orders, if that was a zombie virus everybody eating there was death

>>64237455
Did you ask to be paid in land or at least crypto? Currency as a whole has been in freefall.

>>64237690
My baggage after I muzzle and oven mitt them.

If you fuck a zombie without a condom would you get infected

>>64237815
Depends on the magical zombie virus the zombie chick was infected with.

>>64237440 (OP)
>they can pile on top of each other to scale multi hundred foot walls because...because they just can ok?!?!

>>64237819
Chick?

Night of the Living Dead wraps up nicely as a small zombie incident, with the final scene suggesting that the chaos is beginning to subside.

>>64237440 (OP)
>zombieslop

Literally the laziest form of post-apocalyptic fiction out there. Stop wasting your time with that shit and read Roadside Picnic or something.

>>64237478
>>64237497
>>64237566
>>64237624

With the exceptions of the Flood from Halo and Headcrabs from Half-Life (where it's a parasitic foreign organism basically hijacking your CNS and using you as a meat puppet), zombies are almost universally fucking retarded as a concept. Any infection, parasite, fungus, or virus that fucks with your brain to the point where you cognitively regress into something more mindless than an ape or a Communist (I'm not entirely sure about the latter) will also invariably stop your ability to breathe or regulate your own heart rate. And before any of you fucking mention rabies, that's exactly my point. The aggressive stage of rabies (which isn't even that common in humans) lasts for maybe 3-5 days at the most before you fall into a irreversible coma and die when your lungs stop working.

>>64237440 (OP)
>This book is actually really fucking stupid rereading it years later
Anyone that had some basic knowledge about military history knew it was dumb. The first wide spread personal protective equipment that was standardised in every single military during and after world war 1 was the helmet.

The battle of yonkers would have been won by just 1 155mm artillery gun firing as slow as 1 rounds per minute. Just load up a HE round with a VT fuze and watch 1000's zombies slump over like a sack of potates everytime the HE round airburst over them. Max Brooks (and hollywood in general) just dont understand the lethality of modern or old ww2 weapons.

World war Z was released on September 12, 2006. Well after the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the battle of fallujah that was in 2004
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle#Range_and_accuracy
>"In Fallujah, Iraq Marines with ACOG-equipped M16A4s created a stir by taking so many headshots that until the wounds were closely examined, some observers thought the insurgents had been executed."
There should never have been any "hurr soldiers are trained for center mass shots, they have it hard aiming for the head" bullshit at all written in the book.

>>64237898
>Max Brooks (and hollywood in general) just dont understand the lethality of modern or old ww2 weapons.

Not to mention they literally just reuse the same tired fucking plots and premise over and over again with the heroes gunning down endless hordes Zerg-rushing them.

I still have yet to see a zombie movie where

>there are >100 fatalities because everyone's seen enough zombie movies to know to barricade their own doors
>10% fatalities are the actual result of zombies
>the remaining 90% are accidents and paranoid retards shooting each other in the confusion

which is how a theoretically zombie outbreak is more likely to play out.

>>64237440 (OP)
this thing is really popular with midwits, they think its the smartest piece of zombie media ever created

>>64237448
>>64237453
Shut the fuck up, tourist scum.

>>64237440 (OP)
>Zombie Survival Guide

>>64237815
In the WWZ universe? Yes. It's mentioned in the Zombie Survival Guide which is canon to WWZ.

>>64237933
There is a DC comic where a villain who can create zombies crashes out for a moment when the cops use head and pelvis shots to wipe out his horde.

>>64237793
You're an idiot.

>>64237440 (OP)
>>64237478
Some politician would prevent heavy weaponry from being used domestically because it would disproportionately destroy the housing of the urban poor.

>>64237933
>Zombie virus breaks out
>It's contained inside a week, less than a thousand people infected worldwide, surviving victims are quarantined until doctors can work out if it's reversable or treatable or something
>Rest of the story is about reigning in the absolute chaos that broke out at the announcement of zombies, retrieving the larpers that went innawoods, the billionaires that retreated to their bunkers, trying to stop people from shooting everyone they know for sneezing.
I'd watch it. Contagion but for a social contagion.

>>64237898
>He thinks thousands can be killed by a single 155mm shell
Delusional

>>64238559
If your guns are accurate enough (especially things like GMLRS, M982, or PGK), and the zombs do picrel, you can probably completely kill upwards of 250-500 z-words per shell

>>64238559
You could probably at least cripple that number if the zombies follow the laws of physics for once just with turning their brains to mush

>>64237898
>World war Z was released on September 12, 2006. Well after the 2003 invasion of Iraq
This explains why military is shit in book

>>64238559
When you got 4 million zombies all walking in a straight line towards you down the same highway you then you are gona have 1000's of zombies shoulder to shoulder with only the head exposed then you are gona get 1000's of zombies all getting their head perforated by 155mm fragmentation.

https://youtu.be/G18Rwoa7c1k?t=59
>lethal area for a super HE round with 7500 pre shaped framents from parachute delayed smart fuze 155mm round.
>7000m2
>lethal area for a normal 155mm HE round airbursting
>1000m2
The zombies are all gona get ventilated. If the military did what the "cold war fulda gap" type thinking was then they would have turned the entire Saw Mill River Parkway into highway of death 2.0

>>64237440 (OP)
>it took me years to realize a dumb book is dumb, hinting at my own low intellect
OK. Not sure why you wanted to share this on /k/.

>>64237690
Brains

I blame the retarded newscycle around MOABs and Tora Bora that made it sounds like fuel air bombs and overpressure were some modern day neutron bomb that ACKs squishy humans while not damaging anything else. Hence his retarded "zombies are all dried out so overpressure doesn't harm them like a water filled human" gotcha

meanwhile a 5-10 psi of overpressur ewill tear apart notoriously humid and water filled things like brick buildings and steel structures.

crossed zombies can't be beat

>>64237815
That happens with normal woman, so I don't see why it would matter if it was a zombie or not

>>64238855
I've only read Wish You Were Here and it was pretty good.

>>64238549
Counter point
>the zombie virus is being worked on by China
>it breaks containment and spreads
> China does a poor job containing the spread
>China hides this from the rest of the world because embarrassment/can't show weakness
>zombies take over China, India, the shity east, and spread toward Africa
>the US shuts down international travel to America/the Americas
>Europe begrudgingly stops importing immigrants because they are no longer raping just rotting in the streets
>whole things over in a year tops when the shitholes playing at being nations have rotted away

>>64238855
That's because it's magic torture porn where the protagonist always dies

>>64237933
Shaun of the dead is the most realistic zombie movie

burgers are obsessed with zombies because it legitimates civilians having guns

>>64238905
and im obsessed with your mudda because she gives the best blowjobs

>>64237440 (OP)
>Zombies are magically unable to be killed by fucking howitzers or MLRS or other shit
>Somehow able to pose a threat missing multiple limbs or other comical damage aside from the head
>Oh and M16's jam all the time for some dumbass reason
>And infantry can't even hit them in the head as they slowly shamble(???)
The only thing Max Brooks said that is half-right is that .22lr would take out zombies just fine and would let you carry a nigger-ton of ammo to clear zombies with.

>>64237448
This was practically required reading for kids in the early 2000's who grew up to be /k/ommandos. Show a little respect.

>>64237453
What the fuck is wrong with you people? We're allowed to have threads that aren't about the current thing, rather you like it or not.

>>64238549
It would be comedy gold.
>Some lazy bastard at the CDC about to get canned when zombie virus breaks out.
>Now has to drive to bumfuck nowhere to cockblock survivalists
>Karens taking potshots at anything that moves
>Black neighborhoods acting just like they did before
>Convincing Cletus that, no, the zombies aren't going to make off with his still and cousin-wife.

>>64238855
Because they're horribly written and there's no trace of consistency.
>These things are so hell-bent on evil they can't even think straight. If left to their own devices without humans to torture they'll start mutilating themselves for shits and giggles.
>The one who can put off self-gratification for more than a minute at a time is considered a genius by their standards.
Then literally the next chapter
> The Crossed are piloting fighter jets

These things being rock-fucking stupid is a huge plot point until Ennis writes himself into a corner, then they can do whatever the hell they want. There are multiple times in the series where survivors held out of a warship, so obviously the Crossed show up with a bigger warship.

>>64238905
>legitimates
jfc you jeet scum

>>64237537
for what its worth, the X of the dead trilogy didnt call them zombies and early romero movies implied it was due to an irradiated venusian space probe
they are totally unexplained after the first movie, the recently deceased all stood up one day and who knows why?

the crazies was from the 70s, and also made by romero, and had fast-moving infected explicitly spread via virus and predates even dawn of the dead

>>64239034
>the crazies was from the 70s
Is it any good? I remember thinking the remake was pretty ok.

Oh good, another thread where people who can suspend their disbelief face off against autists

>>64237497
Isn't l4d's actually pretty much self contained to us east coast?

>>64239056
>Is it any good?
its decent enough
notably, since it also predates modern usage of zombies, it has a somewhat more realistic zombie virus
only a small portion of infectees turn violent, the virus is just degrading the hosts nervous system and turns them hysterical
what makes the virus deadly is that it spreads through water

and being a romero film, satire is in full swing
a key conflict is that you cant really tell infected from not
there is no easy way to tell apart someone succumbing to the virus and people acting justifiably scared or angry of a military presence
and to lay it on a bit thickly, the use of military force is deemed justified because the virus might "spread" to other towns and cause a "domino effect"

if you liked dawn of the dead, odds are you will like the crazies
though it probably isnt as good as dawn of the dead or even day of the dead

>>64237497
The ending of I Am Legend (the book) still pisses me off. Robert Neville did nothing wrong

>>64237519
Nigga who hates return of the living dead? Jesus christ

>>64239078
no the whole world was infected. the virus in l4d spreads even if you didnt get bitten but in a vicinity with an immune survivor(but carrier to the virus) thats why everytime the survivors get saved in the game either die or lock themselves up without contact with the players

>>64239078
Unknown. The green flu spread extremely rapidly, however the government was trying to contain it east of the Mississippi. That's why they were bombing the bridge in New Orleans.

>>64239105
>>64239112
It's worth noting that the military also actually works out how it works relatively quickly and develops quarantine measures for carriers that, when main characters aren't attracting dramatic events, seem to work okay.

>>64239067
Your duty as a story teller is to create circumstances where the suspension of belief is possible for as many people as possible.

The premise of the books - a virus that makes you effectively immune to death and reaches a global tipping point via the illegal trade of human organs - is fucking retarded.

>>64239190
Your inability to enjoy yourself is not my problem