Thread 64239291

> An ND or malfunction will kill or critically maim you

> Limits barrel length and effectiveness of the weapon (appendix carry is the only reason why barrels shorter than 4" exist on non-pocket pistols).

> Promotes bad lifting and squatting form by putting an obstruction right at your hinge point. Leads to back and knee problems.

> Uncomfortable while seated and probably interferes with digestion.

> Doesn't increase draw speed anywhere near enough to actually make any difference for any kind of real world situation.

> Flashes when you raise your arms.

There is no reason to carry a gun this way.

>>64239291 (OP)
what's the alternative?

>>64239302
IWB Hip carry. The caveat is that you have to pull your fucking pants up like a grown man in order for the gun to ride properly in your kidney hollow. It doesn't work very well if you sag your pants below your ass like a loser who works at Dollar General and does fentanyl. I can easily carry a G17 or even a full size 1911 this way.

>>64239302
Not him but tons
>shoulder carry
>12 o'clock, or Kusanagi carry as I call it thanks to SAC
>3 o'clock/ strongside IWB
>crossdraw
>pocket
>just hold it in your hands at all times
>have a dedicated gun caddy
>purse that's also filled with explosives in case someone steals it and your gun
>ankle carry
>behind someone else's ear, aka magician carry
>fused to your hand, aka New Flesh Carry
There's so many options if you're willing to open your mind

>>64239320
IWB hip carry prints like a motherfucker

>>64239291 (OP)
>An ND or malfunction will kill or critically maim you
I don't carry a sig sewer so my gun won't go off spontaneously in the holster
>Limits barrel length
doesn't matter
>Promotes bad lifting and squatting form
use a phlster and don't wear it so low
>Uncomfortable while seated
see above
>Doesn't increase draw speed
okay
>Flashes when you raise your arms
stop wearing shirts that are too short for your torso

>>64239562
Only if you sag your pants

>>64239291 (OP)
but it's optimal for COMP SHOOTING bro and COMP SHOOTING covers all scenarios come on I didn't go to all those pro-LGBT comp events where we ritually disavow Donald Trump and promise to turn our guns in whenever the Democrats ask just for you chuds to dispute my experience.

>>64239601
why is every one of your responses just butthurt cope? All of those things matter, bro, grow up.

>>64239601
>stop wearing shirts that are too short for your torso
I wish, I'm right in-between a normal and tall size
>Not that tall, just more torso than leg
Wearing a tall looks sloppy, wearing a regular shows above my belt when I raise my arms

>>64239778
you don't understand, let him cope, appendix carriers NEED to feel a heavy, solid object where their dick should be.

Whats a good holster if I want to hip carry a fullsize 1911? I’ve seen a lot of praise for the Milt Sparks summer special 2 a lot here.

As if the reddit spacing wasn't disgusting enough, you can't even manage to not put a space after the greentext arrow.

Fucking why? Why do you redditors and ESLs come here and shit up 4chan?

>>64239320
>I can carry a 1911
Well do you?

>>64239320
>Because bending over is uncivilized. Lower castes should do that. And if someone sees my gun, who cares?
Lol.
>just pull your pants up even more!
There are two big tells for avoiding someone
Pants pulled up to their belly button means they are either mentally disabled or hiding a gun
Pants dropping below the dick lie means they are either mentally disabled or hiding a gun
And when you bend over everyone will STILL see your gun.

>>64239291 (OP)
>An ND
Thumb hammer while reholstering
>or malfunction
Please tell me how a DA/SA gun with the firing pin blocked and the hammer down is going to malfunction and set off a round
>Limits barrel length and effectiveness of the weapon
Negligible. Are we deer hunting or shooting thugs 3ft away?
>Promotes bad lifting and squatting form by putting an obstruction right at your hinge point. Leads to back and knee problems.
Are we grocery shopping or working construction?
>Uncomfortable while seated and probably interferes with digestion.
Holster issue/gun issue. Buy a better one.
>Doesn't increase draw speed anywhere near enough to actually make any difference for any kind of real world situation.
Yes you should draw equally fast from any position
>Flashes when you raise your arms.
Your shirts fit like shit.

>>64239750
>I'm either 80 or a flyover
Your pants are not meant to go up to or past your belly button, cletus.

>>64239899
>pulled up to their belly button means
Means something only in your mentally ill head. Literally not a single soul irl cares or even takes notice about that. You know, people who actually go outside and touch grass, they don't usually look at you at all, weird shut in freak.

>>64239916
The bitchier you get the more I know I'm right

>>64239896
nice untouched jeans, do you consider sitting down all day at the office "carrying"?

you can't actually expect people to believe you do actual work with a 1911 carried like that. Try /fa/.

>>64240016
I wash my pants

>>64239880
If I don't put a space between green texts it sometimes doesn't format correctly and I don't know why.

>>64239899
Your body type is fucked up if you can't conceal a gun on your hip with your belt riding right where it's supposed to. When you bend over the grip should be moving with your trunk and shouldn't be sticking out. If it's sticking out that means your belt is below your hips. If you wear your pants like that you probably have back pain from curving your spine to bend over instead of squatting.

4:00 is objectively the best way to carry.

>>64239562
5'10" @ 150lbs, size small shirt. I carry a G19 regularly and it hides just fine under even normal t-shirts. Fitted or tailored button up shirts can cause issues that a suit jacket or normal jacket negates. Holster and belt make or break the setup. I use a nice 1.5" leather belt and a Galco KingTuk holster. You'd have to hug me to know I'm packing.

>>64239291 (OP)
If you carry a revolver, there's zero chance of it going off. Appendix has been much more comfortable for me than any other method I've tried.

>>64239291 (OP)
Fatty lmao

>>64239291 (OP)

Posters like OP is the reason nu-/k/ sucks.
Take your dumb ass back to plebbit

>>64239291 (OP)
Have you tried not being fat?

>Leads to back and knee problems
Notice how OP is gay

>>64239291 (OP)
I think shoulder holster is my favorite but here's my unwanted two cents.
> An ND or malfunction will kill or critically maim you
That can possibly happen with any carry method.
> Limits barrel length and effectiveness of the weapon (appendix carry is the only reason why barrels shorter than 4" exist on non-pocket pistols).
Not true, barrels that are too short will try to point inward and AIWB people end up getting a gun with a longer barrel. Everyone I know who tried to Appendix a Glock 43 and SIG P365 ended up switching to a Glock 43X and a SIG P365 XL; furthermore, I know more people AIWB carrying full-sized pistols than I do people strong-side IWB who do so, with the people carrying on the right side opting for compacts rather than full-sized guns. See link at end.
> Promotes bad lifting and squatting form by putting an obstruction right at your hinge point. Leads to back and knee problems.
You are wearing your pants too low. The holster shouldn't touch your hinge point at all.
> Uncomfortable while seated and probably interferes with digestion.
Your belt is too tight.
> Doesn't increase draw speed anywhere near enough to actually make any difference for any kind of real world situation.
Every competent instructor has admitted Appendix is the fastest. Even guys like Massad Ayoob that also refuse to do it will admit it's the fastest.
> Flashes when you raise your arms.
Again, you are wearing your pants too low; also, you are wearing shirts too small for you.

By making this post, you are admitting to being more incompetent than this fatass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag71l93rvao

>>64239291 (OP)
the hardest part about appendix carrying for me is my handgun competing for space with my massive fucking cock but i can manage carrying two six inch pythons down there

>>64239325
12oclock carry is the same as appendix carry dumbass

>>64241330
He was probably thinking of 6 o'clock carry. Which is awful. Not only is it the carry method with the least retention (it's easiest for someone else to steal your gun), but keeping a solid object near your lower spine and/or sciatic nerve is extremely risky; one fall and you'll regret it for the rest of your life.

>>64239899
> Pants pulled up to their belly button means they are either mentally disabled or hiding a gun
The only people who notice or care if anyone else is carrying are other gun owners who carry. 80% of the population, if not more, is completely oblivious to it.

>>64240068
Washing jeans regularly causes them to fade and degrade quicker, faggot.

>>64239291 (OP)
The only real pro to appendix carry is the concealment without wearing your pants like a fucking retard.

Works for me, just carry your gun right and you wont be scared of blowing your right nut off.

Never considered it, strong side iwb just works great and it's very comfortable.

>>64239291 (OP)
> An ND or malfunction will kill or critically maim you
Only retards ND
> Limits barrel length and effectiveness of the weapon (appendix carry is the only reason why barrels shorter than 4" exist on non-pocket pistols).
I regularly appendix carry full.size pistols
> Promotes bad lifting and squatting form by putting an obstruction right at your hinge point. Leads to back and knee problems.
No it doesn't.
> Uncomfortable while seated and probably interferes with digestion.
You are fat and have a big gut. "Probably interferes with digestion"? Real compelling argument
> Doesn't increase draw speed anywhere near enough to actually make any difference for any kind of real world situation.
What are you talking about, it's a gun right there in front of you, it literally can't get easier
> Flashes when you raise your arms.
Again, you are fat and your clothes don't fit.

ccw/carrying at all is retard and you should spend less money on guns and more on living in a white area

I've seen enough videos of people having their pistol yoinked from behind to know that you shouldn't carry on the hip or back.

>>64242240
>living in a white area
a ccw isn't for your home. it's for when you're out and about, and sometimes you have to go to niggerville.

I appendix carry with the chamber empty.
It does suck for physically working but it's also extremely illegal to carry where I work so it doesn't really matter.

>>64242299
>chamber empty
killed in the streets

>>64241239
>That can possibly happen with any [striker pistol] carry method.
ftfy

How the fuck can a DA/SA ND or malfunction? Thumb the hammer, done. There is not enough energy stored to set off a round and the firing pin is blocked. Even if every single safety fails at once, every single one, it will just go off when decocked after shooting (or maybe double fire for HK LEM/sig DAK? idk) so always decock in a safe direction

>>64242318
>How the fuck can a DA/SA ND
>How can my preferred design have a negligent discharge?
By operating it negligently, you retard. Just because you haven't doesn't mean someone else won't. Before Glock leg, the handgun with the most ND was the 1911 because people acted stupid.

>>64242240
>ccw/carrying at all is retard
Why?
>living in a white area
This is only the first line of defense.

>>64242318
I don't think the bored shitposters in this thread are aware of what DA/SA means, otherwise he wouldn't have replied with a striker and SAO design.

>>64242462
I didn't bring up any design at all until he started whining about strikers and fanboying DA/SA. The response was adequate because that specific SAO pistol mentioned has more safety features than the two most common DA/SA handguns (Beretta 92 and SIG P226). He and you can keep making up arguments in your own head though.

Zoltan Cseh (Moron) in 2014 ND a Beretta 92. Something you and he claimed is impossible. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/passively-constructed-negligent-discharge-story-of-the-day-racked-beretta-m9-fires-without-trigger-press-or-not/

>>64242488
Do you like trains, anon?

>>64239880
>reddit spacing
You reek of newfagotry, newfaggot

>>64242416
>single action gun

>>64242488
The 1911 has tons of safety features. All of which are easily turned off/left off while reholstering. It's actually not that safe of a design. No single action gun is.

Please explain, step by step, how a DA/SA ND occurs. Simply thumb the hammer. It's a 10lb+ trigger for fucks sakes. You have to be extremely retarded. Again, even if all safeties fail simultaneously the only sketchy points are decocking and loading, and if that still scares you, LEM/DAK triggers are DAO but easier to shoot and the hammer/transfer bar style arrangement prevents discharges and provides an indicator that the trigger is caught.

>https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/passively-constructed-negligent-discharge-story-of-the-day-racked-beretta-m9-fires-without-trigger-press-or-not/
>when he racked the slide it fired!
Sounds like he was fucking with the trigger. Decocking is the only time an ND is a remote possibility because single action pulls are inherently risky to trust to anyone compromised or impaired by duress or retardation.

This is still quite unlike a striker fired gun with no safety and a short light pull, or a 1911 with a manual safety, that only needs the trigger to be caught. A decocked DA/SA gun is incredibly safe, and HK LEM/Sig DAK is by far the safest trigger system ever devised that isn't a pure double action only pull.

If you can not safely handle a DA/SA or precocked DA autoloader you can not safely handle any gun at all.

>>64242535
>You have to be extremely retarded.
Which people are. That's why the term "negligent discharge" exists. It happens due to negligence, not a design you dislike.
>when he racked the slide it fired!
>Sounds like he was fucking with the trigger.
So first you claimed that negligent discharges don't happen with your favorite design and now you're whining about how this one doesn't count.
>HK LEM/Sig DAK is by far the safest trigger system ever devised that isn't a pure double action only pull.
Then carry one, you troglodyte. This thread was about how one carries their guns, and that's what I was responding to. If you want to fanboy over a specific action, then go to >>64241672. I was not saying anything negative about DA/SA at all before your spontaneous tantrum.
>If you can not safely handle a DA/SA or precocked DA autoloader you can not safely handle any gun at all.
If someone ND, then they shouldn't be trusted with a gun. A point we can both agree on, now Imma go back to the topic of carrying, and you can continue to jerk off to your SIG DAK elsewhere.

>>64242566
Retard.

>>64239562
That's how I carry my fat ass SP101 and I don't print. A good belt and a long shirt are all you need unless you are a sticc trying to carry a full sized pistol.

>>64242571
I'm on 4chan. Everyone here is a retard, especially you. Crying over something no one was talking about, you need therapy and to be locked in a padded room, you psychotic bitch.

>>64242566
I will put it very simply. Negligent discharges are more likely with lighter, shorter triggers, and more likely with guns that do not provide any indication that the trigger is caught on something. And by negligent I mean holster obstruction, in the dark, when you're wearing gloves and the fine tactile feedback for such things does not exist, but the tactile feedback of a hammer moving can be felt.

This can not be denied.

Yes, someone out there is retarded enough to ND a DAO revolver with a 12lb trigger. That does not mean a DAO revolver with a 12lb trigger has the same hair thin margin of error as a modern "tactical" striker fired pistol.

>>64242585
>I will put it very simply.
I will put it even more simply; that is not what this thread was about nor what anyone here was talking about. You chose to literally rage like a special-ed kid that was denied candy.
>a DAO revolver with a 12lb trigger has the same hair thin margin of error as a modern "tactical" striker fired pistol.
Congratulations, man-child. They found a firearm that's safe for someone as brain-dead as yourself. Now when can we expect you to end your self-inflicted tantrum?

>>64242580
Retard.

>>64242599
no U.

>>64242598
The original point was that carrying appendix was more dangerous
I'm saying it's only more dangerous if you are a retard who shouldn't handle firearms, or carry a gun with a short light trigger, no feedback besides the trigger, or enough energy to fire stored at rest. In the latter case potentially fatal failures range from "even monkeys fall out of trees" moments (minor mishaps, usually with holster obstructions and stress, forgetting to put the safety one) to mechanical failure (lol p320).

Basically any double action pull with an external hammer is perfectly safe for those "even monkeys fall out of trees" moments. It's another layer of contingency. It's a long pull, often heavy. The gun does not have enough energy stored to fire. It's just a fact that striker fired pistols are more dangerous to their owners than double action triggers.

"J frame leg" and "m9 leg" are not in the common vernacular for a reason. Please explain how you can shoot yourself with a DA pull
>extreme, aggressive retardation, not even looking at the gun, not thumbing the hammer, just aggressively shoving it in the holster so stupidly you might as well have your finger on the trigger (and double action guns really beg you to take it off before it's too late)
And then with a glock or something
>normal reholstering vs. part of your shirt
All for what? Not having to learn to shoot?

>>64242629
>I'm saying it's only more dangerous if you are a retard who shouldn't handle firearms
IF this was true, then you had no reason to start your total meltdown. Since we agree on that and nowhere on my first post is there any reason to believe I claimed otherwise. I wasn't the guy who said appendix will get you killed.
>Please explain how you can shoot yourself with a DA pull
The link I posted earlier already gave you an example of someone's negligence causing a negligent discharge.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/anyone-here-have-a-negligent-discharge-with-a-revolver.289078/
>"I had a friend have a ND with a revolver. He was even more obsessed than I am about wiping down his guns after someone was handling one, and he got into the ridiculously bad habit of wiping down the cylinder by holding the oily rag up to it and then rapid dry-firing so the cylinder turned and wiped itself. Well, as you can already guess, he had a round in the cylinder one time. I am not sure if he failed to fully unload the gun, or what, but there was a round in there, he had a ND, a neighbor called the cops, and he got all his handguns taken away for 10 years. Ouch!"
>Anyways, was being a dumb kid with a revolver I knew to be partially loaded. (Mother was afraid of firearms, so I was never taught safety.) Problem was, I thought the cylinder rotated in the opposite direction, the guns owner had even told me so. :rolleyes: Pointed in a safe direction and pulled the trigger on what I expected to be an empty chamber.

https://locktonaffinityoutdoor.com/blog/8-accidental-discharge-risks-according-to-paul-harrell/
Risks 2-7 can happen to a double-action handgun.

>>64241370
I consider it more extreme and therefore cooler but you do you. I'll take paralysis over high velocity gender reassignment surgery

>>64242989
Anon, your shoulder is right there. Totally ready to help you conceal a Desert Eagle, Bowie knife, MP5k, Uzi, Tec-9, etc.

Trench coats might have gone out of favor, but you can still wear a blazer or sports coat.

>>64242671
But in a holster?

>>64243064
Already being used. Have you never heard 4 is 3 and 3 is 2 and 2 is 1 and 1 is none? That's why I have 2 uzis beneath my shoulders, a revolver on my right hip, a sawn off shotgun on my left and a 380 in my buttcrack. Gotta be ready for anything

>>64239291 (OP)
you are fat

>>64243092
NTA, just keep moving thoes goal post next you'll belligerently demand he explain how an unloaded DA/SA can go off inside of a safe.

>>64242513
This does not apply to greentext.
You can't talk about reddit spacing without talking about greentext.

>>64242247
I’d yoink her from behind if you know what I'm saying

>>64243142
You have more space in your inner thigh and in your ankle. Seeing as how you have two thighs and two ankles, that's space for 4 more guns.

>>64240131
>there's zero chance of it going off
When you sit or bend over the hammer can catch on your shirt. When you straighten up it can lift the hammer just enough to fire a round.

>>64243845
So is most of America.

>>64245777
That isnt how modern firearms work. All smiths have either a transfer bar or some other mechanisms that makes it impossible for the hammer/firing pin to hit the primer if the trigger isn't pulled. Way to out yourself as a NOGUNZ NIGGER.

>>64245801
>modern firearms
Think we can stop saying this. Transfer bars and hammer blocks have been a thing for ~150 years now. Almost as long as cartridge firing revolvers.

>>64245777
i may be retarded, but on revolvers the action cycles the cylinder as the hammer moves, i've never seen one fire from an intermediate cylinder position

>>64239856
I just got a Desantis Cozy Partner for my government 1911, it honestly sucks. Avoid all of those double strap canted style holsters honestly. Maybe it works for other pistols but not a full sized 1911. They're just too damn heavy to be held up by your natural body geometry and a thick belt.

My pants have to be one size up and right under my belly button for it to hold onto me, luckily I wear levis 505's and 501s etc with a high waist. 4 o clock doesn't work, the muzzle pokes my ass. If I move to 3:00-3:30 the middle of the gun is resting on my hip bone awkwardly. The position I found that worked was about 2:30-2:45, in front of my belt loop, and at that point I'm so close to appendix I might as well just go in that direction.

More than anything those holsters just don't get the gun low enough, I still have an astounding amount of the frame sticking out above my waistband. When you have it all rigged up on your body it feels like 80% of the weight is above your belt and hanging out.

>>64243849
Who in their right mind thought that bringing up cases where people intentionally do all the actions required to fire a gun would pass as an argument revolving about carrying firearms? Not you apparently.
t. nta

>>64242566
>Which people are. That's why the term "negligent discharge" exists. It happens due to negligence, not a design you dislike.
That's a dumb argument because people call anything negligent these days as long as the gun doesn't go off just from shaking it a little. Niggers like you killed the term from all your incessant bitching over the word "accidental".

>>64245943
Moving the goalpost, yet again. I know the difference between an accidental discharge and a negligent discharge. However, the existence of accidental discharges does not make any design immune to negligence. I've already posted multiple links of people being negligent, you retard. >>64242671, >>64242488.

>>64239291 (OP)
I basically pretend there's something like a light saber from star wars coming out of the barrel of then gun and keep that in mind with how I handle it.

>>64242240
I live in a white area what's stopping niggatry? We don't have a force field only we can walk through.

>>64239896
Imagine taking advice from this out of shape stay at home adult retard. Do you pay your single mom rent?

I only started carrying a few months ago and really only have tried appendix inside waistband. pretty comfortable, I've actually double checked if its there a few times because I can barely tell. I carry a G19 with one in the chamber and a nice holster (like top of amazon?). you shouldnt be worried about an ND if you carry a reliable gun with a good holster.

>>64240131
What holster is that?
Do you recommend it?

>>64242416
>the most popular gun is the gun with the most accidents
What a shock

>>64245808
Well, that guy was completely unaware of how revolvers functioned, so I assumed he was either from the 1820s or a nogunz nigger. Maybe even both.

>>64239302
>what's the alternative?
OWB crossdraw

>>64247030
It's just some no brand holster I got on Amazon because it was the only kydex j frame holster available in left hand at the time. It's called cavebear iwb on amazon, was 30 dollars. Honestly, it's good enough that I'm not going to replace it until I feel like getting one made by vedder (they're right next door to me, and they made a nice 92fs holster for me). I don't have any complaints about it except there's a slit down the top for "optics" which is not big enough for an optic, not that you'd expect to see one on a j frame anyways. Great retention and easy to draw from.

>>64239291 (OP)
SOB carried my entire life. Its the go to. Most of the fear mongering around it is either nonsense or easily overcome/worked around

>>64239291 (OP)
Fat

https://smartcarry.com/
Ive used this holster with two different compacts. It sits over your junk like a codpiece. The barrel wont be pressed into your squishier bits. It has its drawbacks. Use an alien gear iwb on the hip now. Works well just make sure the screws are cranked down and lock tighted. Dont give a shit about printing fuck em.

I just tried putting my holster on my hip because I've carried appendix my whole life. Is there some trick to it? It just feels like its resting on my hip bone and It gets in the way while sitting. I dont think id be able to draw from it while driving. I can get away with t-shirts carrying appendix but I absolutely can't with it on my hip.

I don't know it seems like the only advantage I can see to hip carry is that you can "safely" ND if you want to.

>>64245777
No it can't, thanks to the transfer bar

>>64240120
i dont believe you
faggot

>>64239562
Nobody actually knows what you're carrying except those who don't care

Just carry both. The hip piece prints bad enough to distract from the appendix piece.

>>64247705
How do you even sit with a gun in appendix carry? So, look, the torso and the belt around it is vertical. And the thigh is horizontal. What happens to your gun and belt?

>>64245891
Thats been very close to my experience funnily enough, even settled on the 2-2:30 position. I really want to give strong side carry a try but I dont think my jm custom wing claw is a good substitute for a dedicated strong side holster. I was surprised at how much gun is still above the waistband. Appendix is really nice for concealing tucked shirts when Im in more formal settings, but I’d like to see if there is a more comfortable position out there for my big ol steel gun.

>>64247705
>I dont think id be able to draw from it while driving.
During cowboy times, someone who was always sitting would carry a gun cross-draw (right-handed people would carry the gun on their left side, and left-handed people would carry their gun on the right side). Try it out if your job requires you to be sitting all the time (or use the superior method known as shoulder holsters, see video). Nowadays, open carry people like to copy the Navy Seals and FBI SWAT by using drop leg holsters or thigh rigs.

>>64248032
Might as well carry a third gun on your left too.

>>64248464
If your pants aren't so low that people can see your crotch hair, then you sit like a normal person would.

>>64248538
>more formal settings
>more comfortable position out there for my big ol steel gun.
Get a blazer or sports coat and rely on the superior method known as shoulder carry (see the video).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMhaaNSkIkU

>>64239291 (OP)
DA/SA will mever stop being the canonical carry pistol. Honorable mention goes to that one Korean pistol with a "triple action" because it's even better but it's the only kind to ever use that action so it doesn't really count.

>>64239291 (OP)
I carry a DA/SA where a safety physically locks the firing pin.

What’s your gotcha to that bitch?

>>64239320
Gun snatch
>>64239307
Don’t carry a condition 0 only gun

>>64248663
My gotcha is that gun is a fashion accessory since you just pay your muggers.

>>64239856
Galco Summer Comfort or Royal Guard.

>>64248663
Will that gun stop homeless people from sexually molesting your buttocks?

>>64239325
I do jester carry, pointed at the RO at all times

>>64247227
>prey eyes
I will NOT have what he's having

>>64247705
Why is professor oak shooting people with arrows from a Walmart ADA scooter?

>>64239562
I missed a guy open carrying right in front of me standing in line at the store the other day. I saw a phone on his left hip out of the corner of my eye which I thought was pistol holster for a half second. Gave it a second glance and then dismissed it. When I got to the parking lot I saw the same guy loading his stuff in and then noticed the full size Glock on his hip OWB. I make a point to active look for stuff like that and still missed something being carried openly. Worrying about printing is far more of an issue in your own head when it feels like everyone is staring right at your gun than what actually happens when you're out actually walking around.
>t. 15 year IWB strong side.

>>64239601
actively*

>>64253056
actively*

>>64245777
Fucking retard kys

>>64239302
Heckler & Koch MP5K Schießkoffer

>>64250001
I never get how downslope and the like project stupidity and weak charactet

>>64239320
Guy who got shot by the church shooter had his pistol in that position btw

I still see zero downsides to small of back.
>YOUR SPINE!
Okay, don't wear it while driving? Other than that, what's the concern? Some edge case of you falling down several flights or stairs?

>>64239291 (OP)

I disagree with some of these points and I'll do my best to explain why.

> An ND or malfunction will kill or critically maim you

Potentially yes, but proper maintain of the firearm and holster use will prevent this. Even if there is one round in the chamber reducing the chance of an ND to an acceptable amount has gotten me through my first 3 years of CC a pistol with a range of holsters and firearms.


> Limits barrel length and effectiveness of the weapon (appendix carry is the only reason why barrels shorter than 4" exist on non-pocket pistols).

This I actually have no argument against, I don't think barrel length is too much of an issue when you can expect any sort of engagement to be brief and close quarters though.

> Promotes bad lifting and squatting form by putting an obstruction right at your hinge point. Leads to back and knee problems.

This is your most retarded point on the whole post. If the holster is on your belt properly you can easily most it a smidge and can pick up things just as if it were on your hip. I pick up my dog's messy shits every day while we walk for a few miles.

> Uncomfortable while seated and probably interferes with digestion.

Literally just not true, this actually may be the most retarded point you have tried to make....


> Doesn't increase draw speed anywhere near enough to actually make any difference for any kind of real world situation.


This could actually be an argument FOR drawing from 12 o'clock.

> Flashes when you raise your arms.


If you don't wear the right clothing yes. If you turn your torso there are moments any gun will print despite where it is located on your body though....


I have carried a P320 x legion, P320 axg, P320 compact, P226 legion, P365XL, and currently a USP compact all appendix for carrying amounts of time in the 3 years I have had my concealed carry permit in NYS.

To claim there is no reason to carry appendix is factually inaccurate.

>>64254469
varying not carrying

>>64239302
The only way a man can carry a gun on him is underarm holster. Everything else is for little girls.

>>64240131
>canvas belt
Did you get that from your mom or from your boyfriend?

>>64239325
I do faith carry, where I keep my gun in heart at all times

>>64239320
>you have to pull your fucking pants up like a grown man
You sound like 50 year olds in the 1990s.

>>64247201
Cavalryman's draw is the thinking man's alternative (and also the fat man's alternative, since it's only done by cowboy action shooters and all cowboy action shooters are fat)

>>64248032
Get an inner thigh holster too for when your pants are around your ankles

>>64254224
>I still see zero downsides to small of back.
Slowest possible draw while also being the least accessible. If you get taken down or pushed against a wall in a scuffle, good fucking luck trying to draw it from the small of your back. You have your own weight on top of your opponent's weight pinning the gun down. The unsung benefit of appendix carry (that never gets brought up in these bait threads) is that it's much easier to draw/retain your gun from appendix if you get into a close range entanglement.

>>64254844
>get taken down or pushed against a wall
That's why you carry a knife? Why would you ever actually pull your gun during a scuffle? It's been proven time and time again that unless the person you are in a fight with is immensely stronger than you and knows what they're doing, that a knife is many times more useful. Leave your gun at home if you intend to be in spitting distance.

Fat

why is there so much contrarian neofudd autism surrounding aiwb carry and striker pistols?

>>64257453
>contrarian neofudd autism surrounding aiwb carry
People like it when there isn't a hole in their femoral artery. Imagine if cops had been carrying appendix when they got so many NDs that the term "Glock leg" was coined.
>contrarian neofudd autism surrounding striker pistols?
I liked striker-fired back when there were some of the options out there. Now that they're all striker-fired guns, the people who liked other stuff want more variety in the market. Did you notice the DA/SA crybaby above? He threw that tantrum completely unprompted; if 1 company just made a new subcompact or micro pistol that's DA/SA, he'd shut up about it (hopefully). We've gotten some SAO Micro pistols, so I do hope a DA/SA option arrives soon.

>>64257495
>People like it when there isn't a hole in their femoral artery
skill issue. unironically.

>>64257495
>when they got so many NDs that the term "Glock leg" was coined.

thats not the fault of the gun, thats the fault of retard cops and leather holsters. glocks don't go off on their own.

>>64257503
>skill issue. unironically.
Have you seen those P320s going off? All it takes is one India-made MIM part to wear off after a few thousand rounds of practice. Now not only do we have to worry about ignorant users NDing but also badly manufactured guns ADing as well.

>>64257504
>thats not the fault of the gun, thats the fault of retard cops and leather holsters. glocks don't go off on their own.
That's why I used the term ND and not AD. My point still stands that people are hesitant about AIWB because if anything goes wrong, whether it's the gun (unlikely) or the shooter (very likely), the risk of death is greater.

>>64257518
>Have you seen those P320s going off?
correction. sill issue if it's not a P320.

>>64257518
>My point still stands that people are hesitant about AIWB

no. what you're doing right now is walking back your original OP statement which is "appendix carry is retarded" after everyone shot down your stupid made-up-on-the-spot arguments.

heres my gun that i aiwb, how about you post a gun now

>>64257531
a man of culture

>>64257531
>no. what you're doing right now is walking back your original OP statement which is "appendix carry is retarded" after everyone shot down your stupid made-up-on-the-spot arguments.
To walk back my original OP statement, I would first have to be OP. Which I am not, you imbecile. My first comment in this thread was >>64241239, which was about letting people carry however they want. The comment you were responding to, >>64257495, was not calling AIWB bad but rather explaining why some people are hesitant about it, you illiterate troglodyte.

>>64257547
shoulder holsters are your favorite way to carry and you're calling ME an imbecile.

>>64257559
>shoulder holsters are your favorite way to carry and you're calling ME an imbecile.
Correct, you looking down on the most concealable method only confirms that you are. While others are able to conceal an entire PCC if they want, you can have fun with your inferior carry method.

>>64257575
>the most concealable method
if you have to wear a jacket to conceal you gun, its not 'the most concealable'

meanwhile i can CC this while wearing a tshirt

>>64255504
>Leave your gun at home if you intend to be in spitting distance.
Do you think you're always going to be 25 yards away when you need to defend yourself with a gun? The vast majority of defensive civilian shootings are going to be within a few yards at most.

>>64257582
Well you have to wear pants to conceal a gun, shoulder holster doesn't have this problem

>>64257595
ok could you post one of your super cool shoulder holsters?

>>64257592
That wasn't the scenario in question. If you're in a physical altercation, and you have a the choice between pulling a knife or a gun; which are you pulling?

I'd still go hip, personally, but I know small prints less and can be easier to deal with daily. I don't like appendix because I am not a fan of possibly blocking my cock off, or bleeding out. Mostly mental concern? Sure, but drawing faster is a skill use. Not like everyone who gets into a defensive shooting situation even uses appendix, or even does much training, if any. How many DGU threads have you seen where most of the videos actually came down to who drew first? Think of the boomer who pulled on the dumbass dual wielding, the convenience store guy who literally had some Zoomer holding him at gunpoint with an AR that he still shot up, guys shooting through doors, etc. Sure, most of these examples happened at the range you're talking about but did they come down to who drew first? No. Hell, remember that dipshit who drew during that road rage incident in Florida and got shot by the driver of the other car and that guy hadn't even drawn first?

>>64258596
99.9999% of all handgun encounters throughout all of history have been won by the person who drew first. Its literally that simple.

>>64240016
Ok mr barely 5 figures poorfag.

>>64259236
>Just walk around with a gun in your hand at all times and you're now undefeatable
In absolute awe of the brains on this lad

>>64259298
It smells like you are being sarcastic. You do realize its universal SOP to have your pistol drawn or rifle at the ready when you think you are about to be in an encounter...yeah. You just realized it.

My HK P2000SK has a 0% chance of spontaneously blowing my dick off. It is mechanically impossible and it takes an inhuman amount of negligence to pull that trigger by accident. If you are prone to such levels of negligence, I'm pretty sure you're not legally allowed to carry a firearm, because you are clearly drunk, high, and retarded all at once.

A stock glock trigger also, because how fucking stupid do you have to be to pull that gritty shit all the way back by accident? That said glocks are shit in other ways

The rest of your points are mostly about you being a fatso who dresses like a teenager and generally being retarded. You are also self contradictory.
>Kidney is better because it conceals a longer barrel, just hitch up your pants!
>Ignores that appendix, too, conceals a longer barrel, if you just hitch up your pants (and doesn't print when you bend over)

>>64257575
Shoulder holsters are yet another victim of TACTI-TRANNIES

They're not allowed in comps or classes because the cross draw flags everyone, so now they're dead for CC too
Just like tacti-trannies killed comfortable holsters (KYDEX BRICK IS MAX SAFE FOR MY HAIR TRIGGER GLAWK BRO!)
And calibers other than 9mm (.40 IS 0.1S MORE BETWEEN FOLLOWUP SHOTS BRO)
Somehow, they didn't kill DA/SA. I don't know how they managed not to kill DA/SA. Perhaps by shooting themselves often enough to make it look like a good idea.

>>64254677
That sounds very painful if you need to draw. Personally I prison carry since I'm inevitably going to shit myself in a stressful situation which conveniently deploys the gun too

>>64259326
>Shoulder holsters are yet another victim of TACTI-TRANNIES
>They're not allowed in comps or classes
Pretty much.

>>64257575
I believe that firearm was deployed out of a briefcase.

>>64257547
you dont have to be OP to be a faggot anon.
>just super saiyan

>>64259326
Glock triggers can vary wildly. I rented a G21 gen 5 last weekend that was stock with who knows how many rounds through it and was caked with carbon. Had a trigger that was probably 3.5-4lbs, by far the lightest and shortest stock Glock trigger I've ever seen and noticeably better than most SA triggers. Definitely an outlier though don't get me wrong. Personally I'm a big fan of the stock Glock with SCD for balancing safety and simplicity.

>>64259561
>"Wah! This guy advocates that everyone carry however they feel like, I need everyone to carry the same way I do so my opinions are validated. Wah!"
Back to Plebbit with you.

>>64241314
This but unironically. My cock rubs up against my holster in the most unnatural way and it isn't fun.

>>64242513
here's another one to counter election tourists trying to fit in by accusing others of reddit spacing
anons have been "reddit spacing" since 4chan started.

>>64254867
dumbfuck followed them outside trying to get his gun back and got killed for it, too.

>carrying without a holster
>keeping gun where he can't see it
>living around blacks
>trying to somehow convince them to give him the gun back instead of just running

and worst of all,
>letting negroes shuffle around behind him and get close

I'm glad it was caught on video so at least others can learn from this retard's mistakes.

>>64240016
why do blue collar faggots immediately get pissy whenever someone who makes more money than them for less work exists near them

>>64259879
>le blue collar vs white collar meme
why do you assume people should be wearing collars?

>>64259879
Dirty torn blue jeans means money. Clean crisp blue jeans in an indoor environment means branch level corporate peeon. You make less money than the blue collar skilled men you are trying to make fun of dipshit. Your job is at best the same level as a McDonald's manager. Does mommy charge you rent?

>>64260013
>You make less money than the blue collar skilled men you are trying to make fun of dipshit

lmao no.
the best part is you actually believe that.

>>64259236
Dumb take, actually placing shots on target is what kills people. Been plenty of shooting videos where someone draws after already have a gun pointed at them and guns the other guy down or forces them to retreat

>>64260163
>>dumb take
No...factual take. The majority of handgun encounters end without a shot fired. Of the few left a hit anywhere first ends the encounter. Of those tiny few left only a couple shots are fired.
The larping comp gear queer community loves to play around with the .01% of encounters like that is the reality. Its not. Not even close.
A quick draw will save your life.
A quick shot anywhere on a human will save your life
A quick follow up shots will save your life.
In that order. Right after the fact there is a 99.99% chance you will never need a firearm at all ever to defend yourself.

>>64260025
I don't know where these come from but I've never known a welder that made so little. Twice that if not more

>>64260257
>my buddy's cousin's wife's dad's friend's son makes $49892992 per hour as a plumber in alaska bro!! trust me bro!!

>>64260025
This is why we can't have nice things. People who don't understand how averages work make comparisons using a flawed premise then shit on the checker board.
You live with your mom and make well under 100,000 a year. Your opinion on "white and blue" collar is irrelevant until you at least get your wage slave ass up to mid level skilled or licensed work.

>>64260257
They don't. This is much like the all pistol calibers are the same, and 9mm is good for bear defense claims. They start with a false premise then show they don't know how averages work and hope you don't notice.
This fag lives with his mom and if he is indeed even employed its probably call center level entery pay.

>>64260025
>Solderers, brazers, cutters
So, what, they included people soldering shit for 12/hr to intentionally depress the perceived median wage for welders?

>>64260025
uh, did you even read your own graph ?
>90% estimate of welders make more than full time worker median wage in the US
that's pretty nice, you're still required to get dirty and shit but at least you get to have a good pay right off college with having to do 10+ years of studies, still with more studies you get better jobs and better money but you either have a job secured for it or need to heavily rely on nepotism to get your place.

>>64260280
>You live with your mom and make well under 100,000 a year
more projection from a buttmad blue collar GED holder

>>64260293
>90% estimate of welders make more than full time worker median wage in the US
lmfao fucking retard, 90th percentile is not the same as 90% share
fuck off dumbfuck

>>64260294
My mom is dead. It would smell bad if I still lived with her. Seems like you are deflecting from the fact your punishment pills sales call job doesn't pay shit pussy.
The seat, the pants, the belt. Its all pretty obvious you are a low level piss on at a branch. You make less than the people who transport the shit you are middlemaning

>>64260299
He can't read but he still makes more than you, show some respect to your financial superior.

>>64260299
>percentile
my bad, one beer too many make me skip some words.
>>64260313
i'm no welder, i'm truck driver lol
still don't get why someone is mad at blue jeans tho

>>64260309
>You make less than the people who transport the shit you are middlemaning
you're crying so hard wishing that was true to justify your GED lmfaooo

>>64260313
>he still makes more than you
I likely make more than you and him put together since I'm not retarded lmfao
the carpenters and concrete guys I boss around always bitch about how much I get for sitting in an office

>>64257595
You can wear the phlster without any clothes on. Can confirm.

>>64260329
>the carpenters and concrete guys I boss around always bitch about how much I get for sitting in an office
with an attitude like that i doubt they bitch about your pay, dude has that Karen HR lady mindset lol

>>64260329
Lol, you make less than 70,000 a year. Thats if your larp was real. Considering he is a class A driver he is pulling in well over 100,000 a year and I hold several masters licenses you most likely don't make half of what either of us makes. Lol at you dipshit.

>>64260337
they're bitter about having to take orders from a guy 20 years younger than them who makes more than them without wrecking their body, just like you are lol
I'm gonna work them extra hard on monday just for you pussy boy

>>64260339
oh yeah, that's def a roastie
say hello to Jessie at the coffee machine for me will you?

>>64260338
>I hold several masters licenses trust me bro!!
you're crying stamping your feet so hard just because I'm both smarter than you AND make more money than you despite being younger lmfao
keep crying buddy it's only gonna make me laugh more, go ahead post your next cope I can't wait to hear it

>>64260337
He has a woman's job. Most likely one that has him on the phone dealing with pissed off customers and suppliers. I would be willing to bet he has to bring coffee for the real men when he comes to work.

>>64260341
it's so easy to make tradies seethe just tell them that a labor job isn't the highest-paid job in the world and they start melting down

>>64260344
>He has a woman's job.
lmfao more sad cope
tradesissies are so retarded, they can't fathom the idea of somebody making more money than them

>tradefagets getting BTFO over and over ITT
go ahead and pay your alimony and child support then your week's supply of cigarettes and beer before talking to me about money lmao
oh and don't forget your payment on that massive pickup, only 291938 payments to go!

>>64260345
Except its pretty obvious you don't make more than the people you are talking to. That makes your seething cope kind of sad. Good luck selling Mary k or whatever.

Shoulder Chads mog appendix virgins

literally anything besides inner left tracksuit pocket is gay

>>64239562

I guess it depends on where you live. I don't really care if I print. I live in SC, we have constitutional carry and open carry. People carry openly regularly. I still iwb carry out of habit but I don't really care about a bit of printing anymore when there's most likely other people in the store open carrying

>>64260344
I’m the guy with the desk and blue jeans. I’m an electrical engineer and I make tons of mistakes in my drawings that you’ll fix

>>64254504
thats not a canvas belt, its a blue alpha hybrid belt and its nylon webbing

>>64239291 (OP)
>whataboutism
>opinion and made up facts
>more made up facts (see “probably)
>more made up facts with no evidence
>more made up shit


Suckstart that handgun anon

>>64239320
Yeah ok this is bait

>>64260432
>>I make tons of mistakes you will have to fix
Owns company, fires you. Problem solved.

>>64254504
>>canvas belt
Are you fucking blind? Also
>Giving a fuck about what other men wear
Oh no, call the fashion police you fucking faggot. At least I posted a gun. All you posted was faggotry.

>>64260399
What rig? Also based

>>64242247
damn what a cute perky butt

>>64260025
don't even have to look at your whole neet cope image... i am willing to bet that most welders out there are apprentices who will be making much more money once they finish their apprenticeship... it's like laughing at a college student for not making money yet

>>64262772
most company owners are former tradesmen... and good luck running a company that performs work you know nothing about while firing people who annoy you... oh wait, youre just making shit up hahaha

>>64265230
Craft Holsters Roto

>>64260025
>national average for welders, cutters, solderers, and brazers
So, the average for welders is being pulled down by no skill, entry level jobs like cutters that don't know how to do anything but chop up round stock on a bandsaw? That's extremely deceptive.

>>64265859
it's deceptive because it was posted by a dweeb who was peer pressured into college and now he's neck high in debt

>>64242488
I can post hundreds of examples of Glocks being ND'd. Its called Glock Leg not Beretta leg, my nigga. Strikerslop sucks balls. DA/SAs are still safer by design for having a heavier first trigger pull, that strikers lack

>>64242598
The thread is about how dangerous it is to appendix carry. Now combine that with a gun that is more prone to ND than a typical DA/SA and your nuts get blown off. I'm sure the light trigger pull of a striker suits you, it'd be easier for you to shoot yourself without hesitation.

>>64242671
And how often does that happen compared to Glock leg? Or Sig dick? Or striker foot?

>>64254867
Pull your backup gun out and start blasting.

>>64257531
Appendix carry still IS retarded. Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy. Which means pointing your carry gun at your soon-to-be neovagina is something you want to do. Lol, lmao

>>64260336
Cant conceal it though, unless you have miles of blubber. In which case your obesity will kill you well before all mugger does.

>>64260432
Either you are a nepo baby who hasn't been fired for incompetence or you suck dick on the side to keep your job.

>>64239325
>magician carry
I've been laughing at this stupid shit for days

>>64239291 (OP)
Keep your gun wherever it conceals best on YOUR body, for me it's just behind the hip since I'm too skele for appendix

>>64239325
>gun caddy
>magician carry
My sides have collapsed into a singularly. Holy fuck that is good.

>>64239291 (OP)
> An ND or malfunction will kill or critically maim you
My primary carry has a firing pin block not designed by sikh saar and a thumb safety, it's not going to shoot me.
> Limits barrel length and effectiveness of the weapon (appendix carry is the only reason why barrels shorter than 4" exist on non-pocket pistols).
Works with my 4", I never carry my 1911 so don't know if it would work with that. Stop sagging your pants, faggot.
> Promotes bad lifting and squatting form by putting an obstruction right at your hinge point. Leads to back and knee problems.
Irrelevant. I don't need to keep my gun on my person in my home gym and I don't do physical labor for a living.
> Uncomfortable while seated and probably interferes with digestion.
I'm not fat, can't relate.
> Doesn't increase draw speed anywhere near enough to actually make any difference for any kind of real world situation.
Don't care, I use it because it conceals better in some circumstances. At other times I use 4:00.
> Flashes when you raise your arms.
Stop wearing crop tops, faggot.

>>64270170
>Appendix carry still IS retarded.
and you still haven't posted your gun because you are just a shitposter trying to see how long his thread can stay up
>Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy.
theres literally no way a revolver is going to go off on its own, stop falling back on mantras as an argument, go ahead nigger, say "muh shirt snag" again like thats a real thing that happens. you have zero irl experience with firearms and you just hate gun "tryhards"

>>64260399
>completely pristine
>zero signs of warping from use or humidity
>Z E R O holster wear on the front of the cz

you've never worn that outside the house.

>>64271312
Gun caddies are real though.

>>64239302
2o clock IWB is pretty good. To the right of your right side belt loop if you’re a righty. It depends on your body shape. You want your gun to lie in the contour of your body. If you have a beer belly like most American men, 2 o clock is great.

>>64272003
I know, but all I am imagining is a golf caddie carrying a golf bag with an AR, SPAS,nugget, etc.

>>64239291 (OP)
The only advantage is concealment, which is a big advantage in some situations.

>>64271731
I take care of my things, anon.

>>64271736
Tennessee has great taste.

>>64239763
Chuckled.

>>64272750
Pretty easy to maintain things you never use.

How low do you go in the waistband? I have an Enigma and constantly have to adjust it when I sit down or stand up, and it seems like most belt holsters would dig into your thigh or groin when you go from standing to sitting. Should I start wearing the Enigma higher, like not even tucked into my waistband?

>>64273581
I go so low the entire handgun is below the belt line for maximum concealment, I think it’s also comfortable, but at the cost of having to reach super deep to get it out

Most of the time I have the grip inline with my belt line

When I see something I pull my pants down a little or reach into my pants pockets to push the enigma upwards to make the gun much easier to grab.

>>64273602
I think this was part of the issue, I wasn't tucking it deep enough. It seems like you gotta deep tuck it or keep it high, and I was doing a weird in-between that was uncomfortable and also printed like a motherfucker lol

>>64271323
You are using clothes to conceal it

>>64271727
You haven't posted yours yourself. Shut up and shoot your balls off already
No denial detected from you btw

>>64274926
I ain’t walking around naked, I don’t have anything to show off

>>64273543
Or to just do it regularly

>>64274960
You can't maintenance holster wear away.

>>64239325
magician carry LOL

>>64239320
fat lot of good this will do someone who's driving places, dipshit.
>yes, I would like to draw my gun
>my gun is conveniently wedged between my back and the car seat, behind the seat belt buckle
>tamtical

>>64263701
nta, but a tactical belt is probably the biggest "gray man-ism" that immediately outs you as carrying to anyone with a modicum of brain capacity. Just wear a thick leather belt and nobody will be tipped off. the same applies to all tactical apparel, just fucking don't, you look like a wannabe brovet.

>>64239601
Dude im not going to lie. I dont have a dad bod or a hgh gut and I find it extremely hard not to print with any gun thats thicker than 1.1 inches. I have to put it low, like end of slide next to my shaft just to not print.

My body fat is at 15% right now.

>>64271736
real fuckin creative Hawaii and Utah.

>>64239562
oh nooooooooo

>>64239325
magician carry is banned in my state :(

>>64239291 (OP)
I can appendix carry because my penis is small and doesn't get in the way of the muzzle. Maybe you shouldn't be a fucking nigger with bbc and conceal carry like a human being.

>>64239896
>>64240131
>>64242125
>>64248032
>>64248663
>>64271323
sexo

>>64239291 (OP)
What if your gock is smol? Seems way safer/less likely to get blown off. Also, just don't carry Sigs.

>>64280825
The states that ban "magician carry" insist that people do "prison pocket carry." You might want to move elsewhere.

>>64271736
>wyoming
>goth
All.of those was our lord, God rest his soul

>>64284395
Bless him.
I wish I could buy Bad Company but I'm pretty sure it's just a shitty Turkish gun that he already had fixed twice

>>64246905
Dude stop replying unironically to this bait thread

>>64239302
yo homie

>>64279998
Agreed. It was a pretty gay looking belt for sure. Dickies sells a nice black stiff-cored belt that works great with an IWB holster and won't make you look like a tryhard faggot

>>64242513
>>64259858
>let me teach newfags how to blend in!
You and people like you are what killed this site.