Thread 64244215

Better velocity and expansion and also better accuracy than the P365 and Hellcat for the same weight. 6 shots is plenty for a deep cover defensive pistol, especially one that will most likely just be a backup.

>>64244215 (OP)
It was obsolete when it came out because the G26 exists

>>64244235
Much thicker and heavier

9mm subcompacts are retarded

>>64244288
They're okay
Definitely prefer the .380 LCP Max for a pocket gun though

>>64244288
That's a skill issue on your part I'm afraid

>>64244215 (OP)
That's a strange way to spell G43x

>>64244215 (OP)
Handguns don't matter

>>64244328
>absolutely rapes and demolishes your 43x's reason of existence

>>64244323
you don't get extra points in life for knowingly making suboptimal choices, like carrying a 9mm subcompact when 380 makes far more sense and are just as available

>>64244288
9mm in general is retarded. You either have a fullsize pistol loaded with more ammo than you'll ever need, or a tiny pea shooter that underperforms. The proliferation of 9mm is entirely due to NATO and compfags.

>>64244481
>>64244490
The trash takes just get worse and worse lately. Shame.

>>64244493
You've failed to provide any actual reasoning. I accept your concession.

>>64244490
>loaded with more ammo than you'll ever need
Euros get the rope

>>64244499
You post evidence you own guns and I might consider you worth engaging with.

I like the concept of the 48. But the 43 sucks dude. Sorry, it is just useless as an off the shelf handgun when cheaper and better options exist.

>>64244514
That's called moving the goalposts. Meanwhile, you still haven't even attempted to support your own points.

Your continued concession is appreciated. Please post more nonarguments.

>>64244544
Your takes are those with no gun experience. I will not waste time with such filth until you prove you are worthy of it.

>>64244499
so which retard are you, the one who unironically posted about having too much ammo on /k/ or the one who thinks .380 is better than 9mm

>>64244490
>The only pistol options are duty and subcompact
Interesting, post gunz

>>64244550
I accept your concession.
I also accept your upcoming additional concessions.
>>64244560
.380 Auto is, all things considered, a superior choice to 9x19 in subcompact pistols for the American market. That is a fact.

>>64244579
>That is a fact.
Explain, is it because you have subpar recoil control?

>>64244581
Anyone who shoots a 9x19 subcompact well will shoot a .380 Auto subcompact even better, and it will have less blast or concussion, and a slide that is easier and lighter to rack.

These are all objective benefits. They cannot be denied or ignored.

9mm Parabellum (latin for "for war") makes sense in war, where it was originally designed. Where you're open carrying a full size handgun, which is probably steel.

But that isn't how most people carry, nor is it the type of gun most people carry, nor is it the type of gun that the thread was even originally about.

>>64244490
9mm is objectively the best balance of terminal performance, penetration, recoil/speed potential, capacity, weapon service life, and almost every other measure of pistol utility.

>>64244602
>Anyone who shoots a 9x19 subcompact well will shoot a .380 Auto subcompact even better
And they'll shoot with .32 even better. Hell, why stop there, .25!
>Blast
Irrelevant
>Slide rack
If you're carrying condition 0 in this day and age you deserve to get nigger raped

>9mm Parabellum (latin for "for war") makes sense in war, where it was originally designed. Where you're open carrying a full size handgun, which is probably steel.
Okay I'm actually engaging with a underaged noguns, called it.

>>64244602
chatgpt clown shit

>>64244602
>blast and concussion
Why the fuck are you mentioning something so inconsequential like this and not the clear fact that 9mm will be snappier? What the fuck are you even doing?

>>64244611
>And they'll shoot with .32 even better. Hell, why stop there, .25!
You're correct. In fact, there are .32 Auto conversion barrels for the Beretta 80X Cheetah which make a lot of sense. Other than this, .32 Auto is more of a pocket pistol chambering, which again falls outside of this discussion. The same is with .25 Auto, and in fact I don't even know of any modern pistols in current production chambered for that cartridge.
>blast irrelevant
Let me guess, you also "don't get why 10mm failed" and you've never shot a handgun indoors.
>>64244618
I accept your concession.
>>64244626
The increased recoil of 9x19 was addressed in the first line of my post.

>>64244626
the same reason he thinks slide racking is an issue on subcompact 9s; he doesn't own guns and he doesn't shoot

>>64244630
No it wasn't, you just said people sould "shoot better." That can mean anything from better sights, trigger, recoil etc..

Was anyone having issues with racking the slide of a G43/26 or getting disoriented by muzzle blast

>>64244637
It's not an "issue", it's an objective improvement that .380 Auto has over 9x19, and thus worth mentioning.
>>64244651
Cartridges do not have sights or triggers. Those are components of firearms. See >>64244579, where I specifically use the phrase "all things considered".
>>64244658
It is safe to say that 99.999% of rounds fired from civilian handguns are used in low-stress situations, like recreational shooting on a range, and with hearing protection.

>>64244667
>It's not an issue
Soooooo...

You fags are engaging with a ESL foreigner using AI to make replies.

>>64244215 (OP)
It's a safer design as well. The p365 has a light trigger and a fully cocked striker, with every single safety mechanism integrated into the tail of the breakage prone SIG SAAR striker. It's a recipe for disaster.

>>64244265
Thickness and weight result in shootability without being a practical issue for normal sized men.

>>64244490
It's true 9mm is weaker than .40, 10mm, and .45 super, but for defensive uses it's irrelevant. People who actually engage in combat could choose a better caliber, but pistols matter so little when police have carbines now that more ammo wins.

>>64244684
More non-arguments from the anonymous user, now with ad hominem! I accept your concession as well.

>>64244626
He also hasn't even touched on ballistics, it's like he's getting all his info from skimming wiki articles

>>64244684
Nah this is textbook
>act like a smug moron to bait replies

>>64244579
I am sorry you were unable to keep a handle on a G26. The glock grip angle hurts more than 9mm itself. Have you considered a P2000SK/P30SK?

>openly admitting to getting filtered by 9mm recoil, muzzle blast and slide racking
fucking WEW

>>64244505
When was the last time (You) or anyone who's not a cop or gangbanger got into an actual gunfight and expended more than 10 rounds? I'm talking about a lawful self-defense shooting that wasn't just magdumping until empty into a corpse. More ammo is always a good thing, but the magazine capacity meme is hair-splitting when it comes down to something like 13 rounds vs 17.
>>64244606
9mm could not even pass the FBI's gel test until 2015 using specialized projectiles from G19-sized handguns. Most fags these days are carrying regular hollow points (the kind that get clogged by clothing) in guns with 3" barrels. Not saying 9mm is useless, but most people severely overestimate it.

>>64244235
>>64244288
>>64244428
OP btfo

>>64244712
post gun

ill address the elephant in the room

we dont need smaller guns. kydex holsters increase the hard bulk of the gun by 50% and have a bunch of pointless pinch points. we need to go back to leather holsters, but glockfags won't let us.

the push for slimmer and slimmer guns did not begin until the public had already internalized an arbitrary need for striker fired pistols in kydex holsters

>>64244692
>ballistics
Are irrelevant in a discussion of subcompact concealed carry pistols.
In fact, if you wanted to make the argument that they're irrelevant, you'd have to discuss the fact that hollow point bullets have been normalized in 9x19, as FMJ is almost guaranteed to continue through the target due to its extra energy and cause damage to innocent bystanders, which is not the case with .380 Auto.
>>64244706
>I'm so edgy and cool because I don't actually reply to the post!
Fire your 9x19 handgun indoors, without hearing protection, just one time. Then come back and post.

>>64244712
>More ammo is always a good thing
Yes
>but
Fuck yourself. I'm carrying 15 gold dots and your faggot ass won't stop me.

>>64244712
>one moment: for civilian defensive use, it doesnt matter.
Shall.
>The next moment: the FBI's gel test that was created to address the shortfalls of civilian defensive ammo in ranged combat...
So what's that about actual gunfights? You getting involved in miami dade every day bro? Your own logic does not hold up to itself

>>64244728
>CC
>ballistics are irrelevant
What the fuck am I even reading, is this just a (you) farming effort?

>>64244728
>the fact that hollow point bullets have been normalized in 9x19, as FMJ is almost guaranteed to continue through the target due to its extra energy and cause damage to innocent bystanders
holy fuck he's going all in lmfaaaooooo

>>64244745
>ballistics are irrelevant
You're correct and I am grateful you now support my arguments.
Statistics have already proven that there is no real difference in fight stopping capability due to ballistic potential of cartridges.
>>64244751
Yes, overpenetration is a thing that exists and is a concern, as in the United States most buildings are constructed out of woodchip sheets and gypsum board. Here is an example that took me 2 seconds to find: https://www.npr.org/2021/12/24/1067766921/l-a-police-kill-teenage-girl-while-firing-on-male-suspect-in-clothing-store-shoo

>>64244722
idk what you mean, leather holsters are thocker than kydex holsters
they are smoother though, I will give you that

>chatgpt effortlessly baits half a dozen retards with perfectly controversial but well argued points
people just can't help themselves. elemayo

>>64244765
It's the width

harry's doesnt drop the ball as hard but the sights channel still accommodates suppressor height sights for some raisin

>>64244762
I know that English isn't your first language but you specifically said that 9mm is "almost guaranteed to continue through the target" when "the target" in this case is an attacker in a DGU. You are now arguing about over penetration from missed rounds. Also, hollow points are at the very least just as equally considered for their terminal effectiveness.

>>64244774
I already pointed out people were giving some nignog with an AI the attention they craved but they just keep going

>>64244718
See pic of muh big iron
>>64244729
IDGAF what you carry. I'm just saying 15 gold dots vs 13 or 10 won't actually matter in the real world unless you get into a gunfight with an entire baseball team. Feel free to prove me wrong.
>>64244735
My point is that if you want to trust your life to a 3" 9mm then that's on you lil bro.
>>64244722
Based and correct. Poorfag strikershitters who need tupperware holsters to prevent involuntary gender reassignment surgery ruined handguns.

>>64244808
>flename
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/4bx67YexeJ9b5RaAu4WQ9A/
stolen photo lol

>>64244688
>fully cocked striker myth
stop fuddposting. most strikers are more cocked than a glock and the glock is cocked enough to where if it has a push through failure, it'll still go off

really comfy lightweight carry fun desu

>>64244712
9x19 was selected for service over and over again by militaries and law enforcement agencies all over the world for 80 years before anyone even heard of hollowpoints. Even in FMJRN form it is completely adequate with good shot placement. Many older hollowpoint designs like the XTP easily meet FBI specs so your statement is wrong.

>>64244722
Properly designed kydex holsters are vastly superior to leather in draw smoothness and carry comfort due to the surface area. I would never go back to leather.

>>64244722
>Kydex thiiiccccc
>return to leathur
>[shrinks, cracks, encourages rust, snags]
why is this sort of fudd bullshit making a comeback?

i own and love my g43 but you are talking absolute rot

>>64245414
anti-tryhardism by dudes in their 30s who cant try hard anymore

>>64244713
>stock image
Nogunz

>>64245414
Pure contrarianism

>>64245522
>anti-tryhardism
I miss when the unemployed used to be ashamed of themselves

>>64245302
>9x19 was selected for service over and over again by militaries and law enforcement agencies all over the world for 80 years before anyone even heard of hollowpoints.
Because NATO standardized it after the krauts left stockpiles of it all over Belgium and France. There wasn't actually any additional thought put into it. Prior to Miami-Dade and the formation of the FBI ballistics laboratory, militaries and police departments tested bullets by shooting hog carcasses.
>Even in FMJRN form it is completely adequate with good shot placement.
Go ahead and trust your life to something that's "adequate" then lol
>Many older hollowpoint designs like the XTP easily meet FBI specs so your statement is wrong.
The test involves shooting through barriers such as thick fabric, automobile bodies, windshield glass, etc. and consistently penetrating to 12-18" in organic ballistics gel. 9mm couldn't consistently pass this test until modern ammo like Gold Dot G2 and Critical Duty were developed. The fact that older hollowpoints can penetrate 12" into bare gel like your favorite guntubers do doesn't count for anything unless you anticipate getting into a gunfight with a naked man.

>>64244825
Jesus that's fucking pathetic of him

>>64244579
not that anon but a real /k/igger would post their guns first and foremost when asked. Post it and there will be an end to the horror

>>64244215 (OP)
>6 shots is plenty for a deep cover defensive pistol
*7 shots

>>64244215 (OP)
>G43 is NOT obsolete
Who hurt your feelings?

You like this gun? Fine, carry it. With this pointless post you now have some retard nogunz whining about how 9mm is bad in a subcompact when he could just get a Glock 42 instead.

>>64244579
>.380 Auto is, all things considered, a superior choice to 9x19 in subcompact pistols for the American market. That is a fact.
That is an opinion, but I suppose a dumbass wouldn't know the difference between the two. The shorter the barrel, the more .380 struggles with both penetration and expansion; at less than 3", it gets so bad that users will just carry FMJ to get enough penetration. Honestly, I think they should make fewer subcompacts and pocket pistols in .380 and more compacts like the S&W Shield EZ and the Beretta Cheetah. If those two guns had a threaded barrel, then they'd be the perfect suppressed home defense handguns to keep in a nightstand.

>>64246410
>users will just carry FMJ to get enough penetration
name some

>>64244235
The G26 fucking sucks and is literally unshootable because of how wide and short the grip is, anyone who has ever shot one will tell you its horrible. Truly terrible gun designed and sold specifically to handicap criminals, who love them because "short gun good"

The 43x and 43 suck balls though at 10 rounds, would be excellent with 12-14, which the dimensions of the magwell prove is possible. The thing people don't understand is glock could have made it take a 13 round polymer coated magazine but they wanted it to be 50 state legal with a 10 round mag

>>64244235
I carry both. The 43 is nice in the summer. The 26 is better under heavy clothing. The 26 is absolutely a better gun because the 43 is a light snappy little piece of shit.

>>64244215 (OP)
Nobody ever talks about the 42, and you can mock .380 all you want but it does the exact same fucking thing at 10 yards.

>>64246473
based g42 appreciator

I still carry a 43. Deal with it nerds.

>>64246478
I'll tell you what, I can carry a 42 in my waist band all day and forget I have it on, it's not the same with the 43.

>>64245414
>shrinks
gets broken in*
>cracks
non-issue
>encourages rust
get a better gun
>snags
non issue

and you get a comfortable, soft and slick holster that is designed to actually house the gun on your body rather than act as an improvised gun safe for cops or help glockniggers who are too good for safeties to not swiss cheese their legs as much.

>>64246462
I always wondered if those Shield Arms mags would have had an easier time early on if they just took a little capacity off

>>64246536
post gun

>>64246536
You've never carried, leather holster or otherwise. Absolute dog shit takes.

>>64245590
Wrong. Several 90s era 9mm hollowpoints easily pass those tests. Lots of budget hollowpoints today pass these tests from barrels over 4". If you can't handle a threat with 9mm the problem is you. Changing caliber will not improve the outcome in any situation.

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

>>64245590
I don't anticipate having to shoot someone through a barrier, the arm and the chest from 50 yards away with a handgun however

.38 special FMJ was sufficient for defensive use and police work before they got into gunfights with narcos. Unless engaged in genuine combat or hunting, handgun calibers over .25 acp and under .44 magnum are hair splitting territory.

>>64246536
>stretching leather that has already shrunk from its original size
>"breaking in"
for someone who clearly has no clue about the material you sure are opinionated about it

>>64246462
>The G26 fucking sucks and is literally unshootable because of how wide and short the grip is, anyone who has ever shot one will tell you its horrible
anon lives in bizarro world lmao you are the very first person i have ever heard say it's unshootable. It feels fine.

>>64246668
TRVTH NVKE

>>64246647
>source: my ass
If any of what you said was true then the FBI would have gone to 9mm in the 90's instead of in 2015.
>Lots of budget hollowpoints today pass these tests from barrels over 4".
Which 9fags don't even carry. Thanks for proving my point that the 3" P365 is an ineffective pea shooter.

>>64246713
post gun, and this time don't yank someone else's pic

>>64246713
The 3" P365 is an ineffective pea shooter if you are shooting someone through the arm and right side as they scramble across the hood of a car on the other side of main street, using shitty budget ammo, i guess

+P critical duty or something is totally fine

>>64246687
>I don't anticipate having to shoot someone through a barrier, the arm and the chest from 50 yards away with a handgun however
So you can predict the future? Most defensive shootings happen in parking lots and other transitional areas like gas stations at a distance of about two car lengths.
>handgun calibers over .25 acp and under .44 magnum are hair splitting territory.
Oh no it's retarded

>>64244490
>need

>>64246745
So you anticipate having to shoot someone through the arm and right side, using shitty budget ammo? And you can't just buy a box of critical duty because it's banned in the communist republic of pfizer?

>>64244215 (OP)
This category of handgun is dumb. There's like two decent loads for them on the market, 124gr +p HST/GD. 147s, standard pressure, and practically all 115s either don't expand reliable or don't penetrate enough. If you're going to carry something that small with FMJ tier performance just carry a .380. Don't trust anything under a 3.7" barrel in lol9mm.

>>64246813
>either don't expand reliable
they dont need to
>>64246813
>don't penetrate enough
people are not made of gel, touch grass nerd

>>64246813
>why yes, i will gladly volunteer to be shot 3 times in center mass with lol9mm because the barrel is a mere 3.7". i won't die, 100%. it's harmless. just pay my medical bills.
-no one

>>64246713
There was too much politics to keep them in the 40 as long as they did.

>>64246813
Wrong

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm

>>64246429
Tons of people, like the legendary Dr. Gary Roberts (known for being a Navy Reserve officer, having served on the Joint Service Wound Ballistic IPT, being a consultant to the Joint FBI-USMC munitions testing program and the TSWG MURG program, and also known for being an oral trauma surgeon at Stanford, so he fixes people who get shot in the face). His work was everywhere in the early 2000s.

1. https://www.1911forum.com/threads/using-380-fmj-ammo-for-self-defense.215367/
2. https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/#.223
>"Handguns chambered in .380 ACP are small, compact, and generally easy to carry. Unfortunately, testing has shown that they offer inadequate performance for self-defense and for law enforcement use whether on duty as a back-up weapon or for off duty carry. The terminal performance of .380 ACP JHP's is often erratic, with inadequate penetration and inconsistent expansion being common problems, while .380 ACP FMJ's offer adequate penetration, but no expansion. All of the .380 ACP JHP loads we have tested, including CorBon, Hornady, Federal, Remington, Speer, and Winchester exhibited inconsistent, unacceptable terminal performance for law enforcement back-up and off duty self-defense use due to inadequate penetration or inadequate expansion. Stick with FMJ for .380 ACP or better yet, don't use it at all. The use of .380 ACP and smaller caliber weapons is really not recommended for LE use and many savvy agencies prohibit them."

The LAPD also insists that officers using .380 stick to FMJ.

https://www.marksmanshipmatters.com/380-acp-ammunition-comparison/
>Note that the LAPD currently requires the use of the CCI 95 grain Full Metal Jacket load in their .380 ACP backup guns. They have concluded that this load feeds in all their authorized pistols and it will not “under penetrate.”
>These loads did very well when fired from longer barrels but sometimes failed to expand when fired from short barrels.

>>64246909
thanks for the forum links and 10 year old articles, have anything more modern, gramps?

>>64246935
>10 year old articles
>"Wah these shouldn't count!"
The tests performed in those studies are still valid as the ammo used in those tests is the same ammo used now. Cry to someone else about how your gay opinion was wrong.
>"but muh recoil and flash on a 9mm makes me flinch."
You can train to eliminate flinching.

>>64246959
who are you quoting?

>>64244602
>it will have less blast or concussion, and a slide that is easier and lighter to rack.
In all the countless debates I've seen here in .380 v. 9mm for carry not once have I seen either "the slide racks easier" or "the blast and concussion is better", much less together in one post. I can only assume you're using a fucking AI to make your points.

>>64246737
>>64246790
Critical Duty is not engineered to perform out of 3" barrels. Critical Defense is their line meant for short barrels, but it fails on barrier penetration. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

>>64246994
i got free lunch in grade school

I swear the conversations around 9mm carry get so fucking retarded that I don't know how you people function.
>Muh stopping power
It's a conceal carry not a fucking battle sidearm retard. The goal of conceal carry is defense not murder (I agree that dead men tell no tales though). Carrying more stopping power I guess is fine if you're willing to sacrifice capacity but good grief, what situation is a single stack 45 or else gonna bail you out of a situation that a double stack 9mm won't?
>Ok but uhhh what if I'm fighting a chemmed up junkie with super strength
The average person is going right on their ass even if they get shot with a 22 in the center of mass
>Muh round capacity
Gets so dumb too. Both are fringe vases with stopping power vs capacity but you're infinitely better off with more shots than you are higher stopping power unless you trust yourself to land your fucking shots in the heat of the moment and yeah I promise you the average CCW hero fantasizer would shit their pants when being shot at. So youre way better off being prepared. But even more to the point, 9mm gets you a lot of capacity with a round that will put down most threats with little tradeoff. If you wanna murder just carry a fucking 44 revolver or something

>T. Carries the worst of all worlds a P365
Because ammo is cheap, it's small and works well with my small ass male body, and if I can't solve any problems with what this is, then I highly doubt any other gun in the wild is gonna save my ass anyways. Buy a fucking shotgun for home defense

380bros, do you shoot FMJ or those screwdriver ones or what?

>>64246980
And yet, both of those things are objectively true, and yet, both of those things would objectively be described as benefits.
>>64247078
Shoot whatever you train with and what has proven to be reliable in your gun

>>64244215 (OP)
G43 was obsolete when it was new

>>64247106
They are absolutely negligible points in all practical sense. You don't know what you are arguing about and are needing an awful AI to attempt to do the work for you. My only question is why you're doing this to begin with.

>>64244215 (OP)
>G43 Better everything and weighs same as P365 and Hellcat
>6 shots

-Tale of the tape:
All 3 weigh ~ 18oz
All 3 are each ~ 1.0" wide
All 3 are each ~ 4/1/4" tall
P365 is 5-3/4" long
Hellcat is 6.0" long
G43 is 6.25" long
In those size configs, mags cap:
P365 holds 10rd
Hellcat holds 11rd
G43 holds 6rd
The tape finds the G43 wanting

-Tale of OP's ass:
>Better velocity and expansion and also better accuracy
Wow. Just wow.
I really fucking hate nu-/k/

You can sum up the G43 with this:
>>64247123
>G43 was obsolete when it was new

>>64247866
real
>lets take a snub nose revolver format and make it automatic and bigger for no reason
>your same 6 precious shots are more likely to jam and have more recoil
glocktards are sub 20iq

>>64247901
Let's see your carry piece anon.

>>64247901
>and have more recoil

you have literally not once EVER fired a gun.

>>64247981
>>64247981
quiet nigger. 6 rounds in a semi is retarded

>>64248009
thats cool man. posting a google stock image of a pistol really drove home how valuable your opinions are on shooting.

>>64247866

All btfo Forever by : >>64244713
>>64243666
>>64243713

>>64245531
>hurr durr

Anyone noticing how the most opinionated and contrarian people in this thread have not once been able to provide any evidence of gun ownership?

>>64248048
Just shut the fuck up Faggot. Shut up and gtfo off of My Board.

>>64248049
your post is extremely low quality.

>>64244235
Based and correct. I carry my 26 12+1 and a backup G19 mag in the summer and my 19 w/tlr7hlx in the winter. I just wish the 26 had a light rail. If I’m wearing slacks or my shirt is tucked in I pocket carry a J frame with a speedloader. Slimline Glocks are for fat fucks or women with tiny hands.

>>64248089
(You)r post is off topic.