Thread 64249042

Hey /k/, so I'm writing a book, and one of the characters is a women who's part of a small, privately funded operator team. Is there anything about women that changes how they interact with body armor, or how they use certain weapons or techniques?

Not a joke, it's 4 am and I haven't slept in 30 hours. Anyway, I'm trying to keep it as realistic as possible, in regards to weapons and tech, so thank you anons.

>>64249042 (OP)
Women have lower stamina and their joints take damage much faster. Armor exacerbates both of these issues.

>>64249047
This, also climbing over walls usually doesn't happen without assistance.

>>64249042 (OP)
Body armour is heavy and chick lean is real. Yeah you can train them out of it but girls default to it.

>women in combat
>realistic
Pick one.
It's like space combat. You think you want "realistic", but you don't. You want fun. So write fun.

>>64249042 (OP)
full armor carriers sized for men dont fit women well, too tight on the chest or too low on the hips. the army's got an iotv with a slightly different cut for them because of it

none of this should actually come up in the narrative though

>>64249076
Most "realistic" stuff has one or two concessions to fiction anyway
Most authors don't go to med school in order not to fuck up the one or two hospital scenes their novel may have either

>>64249042 (OP)
>Is there anything about women that changes how they interact with body armor, or how they use certain weapons or techniques?
Yes, alot of things actually.

Women tend to be shorter then men on average, this translates to needing different body armor size and some problems when it comes to handling rifles. They also tend to be about 40% weaker in upper body strength compared to men which translates into difference in how they hold weapons, how long they can hold it, how fast they reload and what kind of weight a woman can hold up (a decked out rifle that is okay to shoulder and aim for a man might be a bit heavy for a woman to handle with comfort).

There are also other combat related things such as movement and climbing/jumping over obstacles and such that women tend to be slower, weaker at (women are 33% weaker in lower body strength). Another thing noted by david grossmans book "on killing" using info from Israel armed forces is that when a woman get injured in combat it will ruin squad cohesion. Men will go over the top just to save her at the cost of the mission and if she die it tend to cause a form of combat rage in the males that witness it. The arab combatants they faced also will absolutely refuse surrendering to a female soldier (they rather die in combat then surrender to a woman).

There are two reports that go into detail of female strength, mixed gender squads vs all male squads performance and so on. First one is just a summary of the second report which is 978 pages long.
https://wiisglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Research-Summary-Final_9Sept15.pdf
https://cmrlink.org/data/sites/85/CMRDocuments/288862790-Ground-Combat-Experimental-Integrated-Task-Force-Report%20(1).pdf

The average male marine according to the 978 page study done in 2015 is
>176cm tall
>78 kilo
The average female marine
>163cm tall
>61 kilo

>>64249146
>159% difference in CASEVAC for assault/missile squad
>115% difference in negotiate obstacle

>>64249157
Note this is comparing adult female athletes vs male junior athletes. A woman is gona throw for example hand grenades, satchel charges and other explosives shorther then heir male counterpart. She is gona be slower when crossing a street while wearing 30 pounds of gear versus a man. She is also gona be the furthest back if the unit she is part of has do a 10km forced march.

You can however write this away by having the woman in your story be the top 0.01% of women. A true amazon woman with incredibly strength and height.

>>64249042 (OP)
Have you considered talking to an actual woman? I get it that would be a new experience for you, but it's the sort of things a writer does.

>>64249042 (OP)
>5.56
> 10 ROUND CLIPS
Oh boy. Here we go.

>>64249358
You run into the problem of finding women who have done that sort of thing
One of my coworkers is a hasserved woman but damn it would be weird to start asking her about body armor all of a sudden lol

>>64249368
Trolling or just no-AR?

>>64249042 (OP)
>Is there anything about women that changes how they interact with body armor, or how they use certain weapons or techniques?
I was in the military for over a decade and served with women, so I can help you out:
How they interact with body armor: They're weak, lazy out of shape cunts, so it slows them down so they barely function. They will routinely remove their plates and replace them with cardboard.
How they use certain weapons or techniques: If you're at the range and you get flagged by someone who has their rifle off safe and finger on the trigger, it's definitely a woman. Also if you're at the range for an extra 4 hours while a few people do their 5th re-shoot for their qualifications, they're women.
Fun bonus info: They will cry to get out of trouble, and when it stops working they will escalate to up the chain of command until it works again.
On the plus side some are competent, kind and good people, but they don't stay in the military long because it's a shit job.

>>64249368
fuck off neverserved

>>64249373
Tell you're writing a book

>>64249042 (OP)
>woman soldier


Yeah just don’t even bother anon this is already unrealistic

>>64249042 (OP)
>I'm writing a book
>is a women
well

>>64249070
>chick lean
It's absolutely real. It's their subconscious effort to be as far away from the gun as possible, even though it doesn't accomplish said goal. My wife leans so much she practically bends over backwards.

>>64249042 (OP)
I dated a woman who was a fomer teen recuit into a underwater sabotage team in a warsaw pack state and had a career in demolitions off the back of it. She liked scuba, knives, cosmetics and photographing octopuss. LAst I heard of her she had a business selling scuba gear

>>64249398
>neverserved
>t. has "disabled combat vet" stickers all over his car because he has a little bit of tinnitus
Neverserved is a compliment. And no, I will not thank you for your "service," Ramirez.

>>64249537
Then you should be called nogunz I guess
How do you not know about 5.56 clips

>>64249530
I think it's more of a body strength issue
I have seen a woman handle a FAL like a champ but she was a semi-pro skater of some sort

>>64249543
i have seen a woman handle an mp5 with good form, because that woman is my wife and was taught to stand fucking properly
well that and too much stargate

>>64249368
yeah

>>64249368
https://youtu.be/XPahdicCr4w?t=321

>>64249545
The lesser known Stargate weapon

She also liked to use the phrase 'my darling' a lot and bat here eyes at retail workers and was good looking enough that occasionally cashiers would forget to ask her to pay and give her a recipt. Moody as fuck though

>>64249042 (OP)
The Ukrainians have body armour specifically designed for women. They might not be directly fighting on the front lines, but there are enough working as medics, staff and civilian emergency workers to justify the design. The plate is curved to allow space for the breasts, has narrower shoulders and is supposedly lighter.

That should give you a idea of the issues they have with male armour. Again, Ukraine has alot of women in uniform so you could probably find a way to ask one of them directly.

>>64249564
yeah, that's why she specifically requested the mp5 at that time
honestly a beautiful weapon

>>64249540
I wasn't the guy that didn't know what stripper clips are, I just think neverserved is a stupid insult. It implies "serving" makes you better in any way. All of the people I know that were in the army were brown and knew absolutely nothing about guns. They also didn't serve anyone but kikes.

>>64249591
certified Revolver Zigger post

>>64249596
Nice enough gun though.

>>64249583
Sadly I have fired an MP38 and 40 but never the MP5

>>64249042 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2GLbXR3-HI

>>64249576
You're exaderating between 2014 and 2022 many just used old bundeswehr flack vests and there are female cops out every day in generic kevlar vests. Most shaped plates work too. Femaly operators tend to be the skinny atheletic type and into shit like rockclimbing and scuba etc.

>>64249545
>>64249564
>>64249583
Are we just going to tell OP to copy Stargate aren't we?

>>64249738
Why not though I don't recall the Stargate women wearing body armor
I guess there was the odd flak vest in some episodes?

>>64249635
firstly, learn to spell; secondly, learn to read; thirdly, learn to touch grass and maybe you'll eventually even get to touch a woman
>between 2014 and 2022
there was much less fighting and there weren't so many women in need of body armour back then
>there are female cops out every day in generic kevlar vests
cops get male and female variants too, and rarely need plates
>Femaly operators
these aren't "operators" as you imagine it but support personnel who might still get mortar'd, shot at or Lynch'd, so they need light armour
>tend to be the skinny atheletic type and into shit like rockclimbing and scuba etc
more likely the brawny type, but see again: there weren't many back then

there are as many women in the AFU as there are soldiers in the Spanish Army. they can't just hire only women with A cups. and yes when you're talking long hours and long days if not weeks performing combat support tasks in the field, not having proper support and fit for boobs is like wearing a too-tight t-shirt for that long. you can try it if you like; wear a tank top two sizes too small for days on end.

>>64249535
did she break up with you or you with her?

if the latter: WHY?

>>64249811
>WHY?
his school alarm woke him up

>>64249811
Action girl types tend to be cuhrayzee and not always in a good way

>>64249738
>>64249746
no, just regular military attire
and no, don't make another stargate please, enough of this, i beg you