Thread 64250052

Much like the Head, the neck is a vital and vulnerable area of the body. It's why the preferable methods of execution used to be beheading or hanging, which involved the cutting, constrainting or breaking of the neck, causing a quick death.
In combat, there used to be protective pieces such as gorgets to secure that area?
What do you think are the best neck protections in your opinion, bith historically and currently?

>>64250052 (OP)
Not being a podcast circuit, Russian talking point spewing grifter seems to work...

>>64250052 (OP)
3a rayed neck protection is pretty common, and it’s probably a good idea in trenches where a random fragment from a mortar shell could ruin your day.
I don’t think it would be all that useful in a gun fight where you fully expect to go up against rifles, or as protection from snipers.

i just want gorgets to make a reappearance on military or civil uniforms

>>64250172
The finns still have em. They are bigger than your pic but otherwise gorgety.
t. swede that trains with finns

>>64250175
finns keep very cool dress uniforms

>>64250052 (OP)
I like bevor.

>>64250052 (OP)
Unfortunately, nothing really reasonable. You can wear body armor below a jacket and it's uncomfortable but not terrible. Anything with sufficient neck protection will be a pain in the ass. The new ballistic combat shirt has soft inserts for protection in the shoulders and neck.

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>>64250222
I like beaver too mate, but we're talking about neck protection in this thread.

>>64250761
You think you are funny?

>>64250175
The Swedish Model 1799 gorget is still in service.

>>64250172
They've been there all along.

>>64250052 (OP)
>the preferable methods of execution used to be
impalement, i.e. they ram a spike through your arse and put you on a pole to die

>>64251061
Is that firefighting gear?

>>64251319
some weird dubious experimental space suit from the UK

>>64251381
Neat. Just the thing to wear when battling the Venusians.

>>64251480
>Fighting Venusians directly
Just lower the atmospheric pressure and watch them pop like overfilled balloons.

>>64250241
Thats cool as fuck until your nose gets sliced off

Important for my home!

>>64250052 (OP)
We should just make full body coverage electric powered mech suits at this point

>>64250052 (OP)
You fool. Armor is obsolete. Stealth and speed are keyed to survive! For example, if you have to give a public speech, DANCE! Do the Michael Jackdon moonwalk to confuse snipers. Break into sick moves like the worm, the running man, the robot to captivate snipers from even firing.

Debate me bro

>>64253610
Okay

>>64250789
God damn, I thought that was Pochita for a sec.

>>64251973
maybe (((yours))) does.

>>64251986
is this concave or convex i cant tell

I designed a simple articulated plate in level 1 fabric that just hung from the helmet to the vest

My experience being blown up is that the larger pieces of shrapnel are lethal out to a longer range, but in terms of mass there aren't many of them. At close range however you will suffer a 70% coverage of minute shrapnel, you are certain to be totally peppered. And this kind of injury is far more closely associated with HE and artillery, than IED and anti infantry frag.
Survivorship bias.

The cloth neck guard protects the soldier from the injury which is the most survivable, to e it's very stupid that troops are wearing IV micro-plate, with no neck protection at all. They could be killed by barbed wire, a malfunctioning gun, running into a sharp branch, something stupid.
To that ends I've also designed mechanix gloves with extended wrist protection

when I operated all my gear was custom made, hand sewn. I found for instance that you can fabricate kevlar with the same techniques as joining fruit netting, to avoid trying to cut and sew kevlar, and that this preserved the overall integrity of the plates to a significant degree. trying to sew stupid tiny sheets of kevlar into liners is retarded.

And another strange discovery was that melee blows tend to come from the top down, but ballistic threats tend to come from the bottom up. so like an airbag it made far more sense to barrel hang the kevlar so it deployed up like an airbag if it was struck

>>64253610
I thought I had an image of the hunter-seeker dart weapon from the old movie used for the assassination attempt against paul.

That said, it's not like shields are the end all, be all:

1. While their life-span/energy usage is never really brought up in the book it's assured they probably don't last for a very long time.
2. No mention that you can adjust the permeability of the shield on the fly.
3. To make the maximally impermeable would mean having some kind of life-support system and that's probably something a man-portable variant can't sustain for very long.
4. The invention of weapons that can move below the speed of typically designated weapons to bypass the shield.
5. Tactics to incapacitate shield users such that they are stuck and have to keep their shield up allowed for point 4 to still be in play.
6. Going back to the point about life support systems; poison and biological weapons/hazards come back into play.
7. There is nothing that says the blastwave/shockwave of ordanace won't still hurt/kill you.

>>64250146
Hey, could the mod nuking on-topic legitimate threads discussing the weapon used to assassinate Charlie Kirk for being "off-topic" (because apparently it's now "/k/ - Weapons except the weapon which was used to assassinate Charlie Kirk") please apply their logic consistently and remove this ACTUALLY off-topic goading shit?

Thanks. Much love. Appreciate it. Always a pleasure.

>>64259540
No to #7. They stop blast fine. Extreme (like city power plant) level electrical shocks are mentioned to be capable of short-circuiting them, which I assume is what inspired the anti-ornithopter missiles in the new movies.

In the original book, it's mentioned shields require maintenance. Spies mention Harkonnen depots paying more or records about shields going unmaintained. And in the canonical encyclopedia released afterwards it's proposed the Holzmann effect physics are all bootstrapped from a quantum mechanical quirk like the casmir effect through a set of mini particle accelerators. That would certainly explain why shields are the relative cost of a luxury car and consume corresponding maintenance.

>>64250052 (OP)
I've been leaning into the idea and aesthetics of the bubble helm. Seems easier and way more cost effective just to encase the head in a big bullet-proof dome big enough to move your head around then trying to custom fit armor pieces at least if you're talking about random joe schmo soldier.

And if it wasn't obvious, I imagine this as something to go with the inevitable implamentation of technologies such as powered exo-skeletons and environmental/life support systems.

>>64250052 (OP)
Do it 40k style, with a angled armored collar affixed to the breastplate.

>>64259627
Bubble helm you say?

>>64260966
No, not like that.

I don't know what the proper term would be but more like pic related

>>64260979
Something like this would work as well.

>>64251061
A British spacesuit prototype, for when they need to civilise the extraterrestrial heathens. lol.