Thread 64250213

How does it benefit pussya and Monke to have pajeets and bots spam shitter?

OP here I'm a fag btw

>>64250213 (OP)
Ruining discourse as much as possible and getting people to stop engaging with it, as well as occasionally getting the odd ill-informed person to buy into their version of the narrative.

>>64250228
How does getting mentally ill trannies, incels, And boomers on your side change the war exactly?

>>64250213 (OP)
Modern journalist got their info from twitter now and they don't even bother to check it. The shitpost will end up in social or traditional media and some boomers and normies will eat it up readily.

>>64250239
I miss the misc.

So just like /k/ but the other way around?
Is it only [bad thing] when [enemy] does it?

>>64250213 (OP)
Makes it easier for Orange Monke and Snow Monke to tell their sub-room temp IQ supporters blatant bullshit and get away with it. Ask @Grok to see how many conservatives blame Ukraine for the war, and then realize those people are the ones leading the nation.

>>64250233
there are people that are actually sad kirk man bad died yesterday

these people have enfranchisement

i hope these two rationale are enough for you to form a workable worldview with

>>64250213 (OP)
>have pajeets and bots spam shitter?

The firehose of falsehood.

Pajeets and bots are dirt cheap ways to do it.

>>64250892
it was sad seeing a grown ass man making dumb gay zingers about trannies as one of his last words on this planet. that's mental illness right there.
i was also surprised by the copious amount of blood that immediately spewed out like a kool-aid jug got cut in half. don't underestimate 223 i guess.

>>64250213 (OP)
>Grok doesn't know what PSYOPS are.
grim

>How does it benefit pussya and Monke to have pajeets and bots spam shitter?

Social media is the number one source of information for the majority of people, including disseminators like journalists and influencers. But it's not just about reach. You can better tailor your message to the profiles of the intended recipients through microtargeting techniques. It is also incredibly fast and cheap through high degrees of automation.
This makes social media campaigns by far the most effective and efficient IOs when it comes to the general public.

>>64250946
.308 and up more than likely, they found the gun and it's some frankensteined Mauser.

>>64250946
We're not really encountering bloodloss regularly in our day to day lives, so we're used to the tamer amount that is shown in media. I Forget what video it was, I think some random stabbing, that made me go
>You know that Roman guy who said they drowned in blood at Cannae or some shit was probably not bullshitting

>>64251055
Yeah at a certain point it becomes self-fulfilling. 10000 pajeets and AI eventually lead to just 5 people who are true believers, who get 15 to follow, who get 30 to follow, ect.

>>64250239
checking for sources is a lost art. We're legitimately speedrunning into primitivism, a self-inflicted dark ages.

>>64251071
>10000 pajeets and AI eventually lead to just 5 people who are true believers

You don't even have to create them in the first place. You can just use amplification networks to spread their genuine message. This technique is used extensively with the aim of polarizing public opinion. Just amplify the extremes and let social media algorithms do the rest.

>>64251788
>the american dipstate and their longtime nemesis
>zyn

>>64251788
>dipstate
Fuck...we should have let Dairy Queen crush them when they were small...

>>64251788
I always knew these instant dip buyers on a internet-bubble-tier market didn't feel organic.

>>64250946
>>64251065
>>64251071

What happened now?

>>64251876
Ukrainians seem to have seriously eroded zigger air defenses in multiple places and are having a nice tactical air campaign ongoing.

Also after losing its ears it looks like the bunny is about to get fully beheaded.

>>64250239
/k/ trolling British journos was pretty funny too
They figured out pretty quickly they were being fucked with by Americans but the short lived success was gold

>>64250213 (OP)
The prajeets do it for free becasue Indian media on youtube is the new proxy for Russia Today so they think Russian psychosis is reality. The real question is why google still hosts it or distribtes it..

>>64251876
some golem started noticing and got whacked by the mossad, the news is trying to blame "le ebil leftists" to divide the population

>>64251876
Charlie Kirk (some pundit? I legit have no idea who he was) got shot in the neck while doing a Q&A or something at a university in Utah. No one arrested yet. They had two suspects but released both.

>>64250233
All three of those categories are legally allowed to vote in the United States.

>>64251876
>>64252593

>>64251963
Kek what is this?

>>64252806
The "Change My Mind" guy. Part of that circle of 2015-17 guys that built a career on baiting leftist meltdowns. Apparently he did a better job keeping a long-term audience than Milo or Lauren.

>>64253378
It was a campaign on /k/ to pretend to be British nationalists possessing guns that are illegal in the UK.
Most of the original images had been pellet guns and other UK legal weapons.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2033322/The-chilling-pictures-English-Defence-League-members-posing-arsenal-deadly-weapons.html

>>64252806
>some pundit? I legit have no idea who he was
Tragic that Turning Point memes are now forgotten.

>>64253411
>The "Change My Mind" guy.
That was Steven Crowder, Kirk was just a budget version of him or something.

>>64250233
It's not about getting them on any particular side, its about destroying the idea of truth - both as a practised virtue and as an understanding based on reality

>>64252765
>The real question is why google still hosts it or distribtes it..
Because doing so makes them large amounts of cash money

>>64253551
And once you've destroyed truth all that matters is looks, face, aura, aesthetics, whatever.
Then your mindless propaganda becomes effective because people stop thinking rationally.
One example I can think of is Soviet propaganda showing *unemployed* Americans in soup lines, when *employed* Soviets would only be allowed bread after standing in line for hours, once you start thinking about it, it makes no sense.

>>64250213 (OP)
>only like 20% of western citizens are ready to fight for their countries
You tell me how.

>>64253562
>looks, face, aura, aesthetics, whatever.
And sadly that's enough to woo retarded zoomers and their more (physically) adult intellectual equivalents.

>>64253531
Kirk did that kind of stuff but he was more important IMHO because he was the head of Turning Point USA. That's basically the Republican Party's college/youth organization, and they have chapters on many college campuses. There's technically the "Young Republicans" but the real money and energy for campus conservatives was behind TPUSA, so Kirk's killing hits like a more high-profile political assassination.

>>64250233
Well to start it has lead to the election of Trump, who has been half hearted at best in his continuous supporto for Ukraine, if not actively hostile

>>64253601
He was worth a solid 12 million points on the CEO scale, not quite the same level as Luigis kill but a respectable effort nonetheless

>>64253601
these 'young' republican political guys arr rook same to me
>dat spray tan
lmao

>>64253718
Everyone in trumps orbit starts looking like trump eventually, they call it the "Maralago Makeover"

>>64253718
I try not to get invested in politics but IMO this has blown up more because he was fairly important in the Republican Party's "system" (look up AmericaFest) and TPUSA's m.o. was generating viral clips from improvised "debates" with overly-emotional college students that function more like entertainment. South Park had a great parody of this (and I think Kirk liked it too):
https://youtu.be/xlu1xTH3Iqc

The performance is improvised but it works as a template, you can do it on any college campus, and it also exploits attempted disruptions by turning them around into more content. Getting shot by a full-powered rifle cartridge is a different story though. My reaction was like "holy fuck that's a lot of blood" and then reminded of how few people are prepared for this kind of violence.

Politics can cause deaths but death doesn't care about anyone's particular politics. We also don't know why people kill public figures, but normies like predictable progression, it's why Taylor Swift is popular. Terrorism is like a sudden bang, everybody freaks out, the music stops making sense. I'd say to watch out for people trying to exploit it for their own benefit.

>>64250946
>don't underestimate 223 i guess.
>>64251065
>.308 and up more than likely, they found the gun and it's some frankensteined Mauser.
Also yeah to make this /k/, it's a reminder of how brutally simple this kind of thing really is. What'll kill you is a guy with an ugly rifle that fires a big round or him running up and mag dumping a 9mm into your face.

>>64250228
so when are western LLM algorithms turned against these zegroid spammers and used to auto detect and auto ban all propaganda spam. So called "AI" can react way faster then a million pajeet bot farm spammers that need to wait propaganda ministries directives for new narratives

>>64250233
they go and elect fifth columnists like agent orange, farage, le pen, orban, fico etc etc etc

>>64250944
Yup, your average person will believe the narrative they hear the most.
Make that narrative sensationalist compared to boring, mundane truth and they're all over it like flies on shit.

>>64253826
>so when are western LLM algorithms turned against these zegroid spammers and used to auto detect and auto ban all propaganda spam.
That would be "censoring conservatives."

>>64253826
Orban is older than that. He was in office in 1998 when Yeltsin was president. He has control of Hungarian language media and doesn't need as much foreign interference.

>>64250213 (OP)
that whole part when Russia invaded Ukraine the first time and all of Europe went, "yeah, whatever" because there was an entire week of fog created in a digital era of instant information between Russia's actual military actions and it actually being reported

>>64253800
>he died doing what he loved. master-debating to young college girls

>>64253166
Voting doesn't matter in Russia. What's your point, Marina? Are you having a krokodil moment?

>>64253800
>>64253862
I miss when "put up inflammatory sign and film reactions" was a prank and not political strategy...

>>64250228
>>64253551
This. It's a form of de-politicization. In Russian domestic politics, this is done by creating a chilling effect around political participation. In American politics, this is achieved in the opposite way. You hyper-politicize an issue by creating a dream narrative about a real issue for your target group, one that validates everything they want to be true (This is called alternate reality propaganda).

They essentially gas these guys up, then point them at the other side to have a fight they know neither of them can win. By getting your national interests to be percieved as a part of the "culture war", you essentially stunlock your enemy from ever being able to act against your national interests. As mentioned by other people, reframing the issue into abstract culture war talking points reduces interest and real engagement in the real topic. And as long as you never provoke that group directly, they are removed from the equation in practical terms as well.

>>64253913
so whats the counter to this? seems like everything comes down to these hostile tyrants having a free reign in the relatively porous and open western media, social in particular, while running a tight propaganda and censorship lock on back in their domestic kingdoms

>>64253922
Get people off of social media. Create community. Educate the uneducated. Don't interact with that kind of content.

>>64253928
Not him but I cannot emphasise how much better my life is when I'm not glued to the internet

>>64253922
Unfortunately, I can't give you a satisfying answer. I've never read a counter. This whole field of study is from the Cold War, studying the Soviet Union (they were big on alt-reality propaganda, you can even see them play that trick on the older Russians with the Z shit). The field went extinct after it collapsed. They were never very agile against Soviet propaganda, they just cleaned it up with military force or building up friendly regimes, just like the British Empire did with Imperial Russia in the 19th century. All that was long before the modern information war problems we have now.

In my opinion, I just don't think that institutions like a free press and representative governments are built for international competition against countries that can control reality, especially when half the world speaks your language convincingly enough to mimic participating in your self-government. South Korea has had some success with soft power propaganda against the North, with the help of generations of crippling sanctions of course. But Korea has always been extremely provincial, and I doubt it would translate to the global situation.

>>64253898
ESL moment
He clearly meant that they are influencing those groups because they have enough sway to influence elections and potentially put a Russian asset as the potus. Which is precisely what has happened, so don't be too quick at dismissing the weight they have
It was not a comment on the quality of democracy in America or whatever your pavlovian brain has instantly labeled that post as

>>64253943
>ESL
So it's Russian trollfarm subhumans pushing this shit as an ad-hom. Color me shocked.
And then some incoherent, completely out of left field explanation of what you never said on the previous post.
Truly an entire nation of human shit.

>>64253922
>so whats the counter to this?
Just walk away from the screen nigga like nigga close your eyes

>>64253948
I'm not that anon retard. Get that send out of your pussy, you are clearly unhinged
And yes, it is super apparent that you are either a foreigner of profoundly lacking in reading comprehension
Now feel free to keep making an ass of yourself. I ain't giving you more (You)s

>>64253922
histrionic tantrums, censorship, cry and flap your arms about how strong russia is, don't exploit racial tensions in their society, make basedjak expressions

>>64253941
>Unfortunately, I can't give you a satisfying answer. I've never read a counter.
Kennan seemed to believe the main counter to the Soviet challenge was internal. The answer is: fix internal problems in one's own society. Improve self-confidence, discipline, morale, and community spirit using one's own methods and conceptions. He saw communism as a malignant parasite that feeds on diseased tissue, but that the Soviets were by far the weaker force against the Western world as a whole.
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/kennan.htm

>>64253962
>I'm totally some other fella, I swear
How does that change your argument? Why do you waste your time with this performative shit?
Go embarrass yourself somewhere else. You're boring.

>>64253965
>fix internal problems in one's own society. Improve self-confidence, discipline, morale, and community spirit
We're doomed. Rip the West. We had a good run

>>64253962
you're responding to someone who's intentionally doing the tactic you're describing lol, whether ironically or sincerely idk

>>64250233
>How does getting mentally ill trannies, incels, And boomers on your side change the war exactly?
Stop, anon, it's not /chug/'s fault they're like that. We need to be tolerant.

>>64253965
I see. That does make sense considering communism specifically targeted the losers of industrialization. And was embraced as a rising alternative by the countries that never ascended under the older power structure. But I'd have to think about whether that helps our current situation at all. If all the conduits of information are telling people something, people are evolved to believe and respond to it. So I still think you'd need some kind of regimented control of information, at least in childhood, to imbue those values in the first place.

>>64253562
>One example I can think of is Soviet propaganda showing *unemployed* Americans in soup lines, when *employed* Soviets would only be allowed bread after standing in line for hours, once you start thinking about it, it makes no sense.
That's example of exact opposite type of propaganda.
Soviet one had a consistent and predictable message, and insistence on "we are telling you actual 100% truth".
And by the time of brezhnev it ceased to work entirely - trickle of information from the west, combined with observable reality, consistently contradicting the narrative left it no chances. That will happen if you tell the same lies in the same way while claiming it's the truth.
It tried to convince people, and failed.

The new russian propaganda innovates in that it doesn't bother itself with consistent narrative, throws concept of truth out and almost openly acknowledges that it did.
You can't just compare it to reality and expect it to collapse like soviet one.
It's made to confuse and wear out.

>>64253826
>>64253831
>Everyone to the right of me is a russian asset!
False flagging leftoid ziggers.

>>64253900
Its an incredibly common thing to do nowadays.

>>64253965
even today western societies are light years ahead of degenerate shit piles like russia and china. for anybody willing enough to explore what is going on inside them and how dysfunctional they truly are, despite selected tier 1 cities like muscovia or shanghai enjoying relative luxurious comfort

quality of internal life does not matter when all that matters is what is going on in the heads of its citizens. back in the olden days the capital intensity of mass media and physical limitations, like newspapers or radio/tv boradcasts, acted as its own filter. Today propaganda ministries have a hot line to every single citizen in the west

I would say only real answer is not sitting on the defensive but having aggressive counter ops. For places like china that have draconian net lock down there need to be ways of piercing into it to spread real information about things that concern them. Like CCP corruption. Plebs dont generally give a shit about ideals but they do care about personal jealousy. Like how much Xi Jinping has stolen and stashed away in off shore bank accounts. images of their personal yachts and the absurd level of luxury etc. Same goes for vatnikstan and the putin manlet or kim jong fats personal kingdom. Get under the tyrants skin by pulling out their dirty laundry in front of their serfs which weakens their authority by extention

For example see the faces of ukranians that went into yanukovich personal palace after they god rid of him with the maidan revolution and saw the pablo escobar tier hedonism on display

For this you need non fifth column governments that are willing to set up the initiative and provide the intelligence their agencies already know. Places like panama or cyprus are opaque to any private organization investigating but clear enough for tax revenue services

>>64253900
honestly, the latter is a proliferation of the former. chan culture and shitposting hit the mainstream so now we're seeing what retards and normalfags who cannot make the distinction between reality and irony do with it

>>64254020
>getting triggered by Karen "live, laugh, love" mindless chatter
I'll bet you think "my kid is an Honor Student at Jeremy Jackoff Elementary School!" or an American flag on a house are meaningful political statements with many levels of meaning, you fucking autist
Women strive for compromise and to conform to the group, it's just how their psychology works. Don't think too much into it.

>>64254037
It's not chan culture, its the internet in general and the anonymity it provides, allowing people to circumvent the FAFO principle.

>>64254040
t. triggered by people making fun of your shitlib sheep sign.

>>64254036
to add to this one vector you can use to inject this information into these dictatorships is ironically the same western social media they are using. Have bots spread far and wide the info and they will always come in contact with the propaganda ministry shill farms and bots as well as curious bystanders. Like say russian or chinese serfs on VPNs. Which will act as carriers spreading the information further into their own circles via easy to digest and untraceable formats like memes

Its spread can still be contained somewhat with tight censorship as chinese have demonstrated but its a start

>>64254040
On this board, Jeremy Jackoff is a hero. End of story.

>>64254044
I would never care what strangers think about my beliefs, because I'm a grown ass man

>>64254097
Your angry response tells me otherwise.

>>64250213 (OP)
>>>/pol/