Thread 64250974

The Golden Age returns: this week, Trail Boss powder returned to the US market, with MidwayUSA selling out nearly instantly.

Also, Handloading General? Do the people here even handload for the guns they don't own (because /k/ is a [current thing] board now)?

>>64250974 (OP)
theres still hand loading, just expensive right now so a lot has slowed down

It was a good meme powder, but I'm fairly confident in not double loading win 244 anymore.

Got a 460 xvr collet crimp die in yesterday. Looking at building up a 45lc load with 230gn rn hardcasts…. Maybe cfe pistol powder? Looking for 850-1000 fps range out of an 8 inch barrel…. Would like to get trail boss to play with but it’s a bit inflated price wise at the moment

>>64250986
>meme powder
It's incredible for literally anything that isn't an autoloader, what are you talking about brother.

>>64250999
Its a crutch for people too scared to pick up a reloading manual for reference starting loads on powders that are in stock.

>>64250997
>trail boss to play with but it’s a bit inflated price wise at the moment
It's not as expensive as it seems because you use less powder for the loads. Bite the bullet, anon. We need more people buying it so they don't stop production for years like last time.

>>64251003
What a foolish remark. I shouldn't entertain it but here we go:

Trail Boss is excellent firstly for cartridges that were originally designed for black powder, like 45 Colt or 45-70 Gov't which are too large for full volume loads with modern pressures

Trail Boss is excellent secondly for reduced loads in all cartridges because the elimination of empty air space increases ignition reliability and thus leads to more consistent velocity, and (more importantly) all but eliminates the possibility of squibs.

>>64251023
As I said, a crutch for people who dont want to measure powder.

>>64251004
I’ll get some eventually just for my 444 marlin loads for my lone eagle…. Trying to make lighter recoil loads in that without having a ton of empty case capacity is… tricky

>>64251023
>too large for full volume loads with modern pressures
>reduced loads in all cartridges because the elimination of empty air space
Yeah, so that's why I also used it for 38 special some years ago, and then it ran out, so I bought titegroup and it worked just fine except there was so much air in the case I was paranoid, plugging every loaded case with bullet immediately, no open cases with powder allowed. Then I eventually tried 244 and it was like titegroup but also cleaner.

>>64251035
Oh, you can't or won't actually support your argument, my mistake. Have a (you). Thanks for bumping the thread!

>>64250974 (OP)
>Burger market prioritized
>boomer fudds will buy this shit by the pallet and just hoard it
>It'll probably take another 2 or 3 years before this shit is widely available in Europe again
>MFW
Fuck my life.

>>64251043
Ive made my argument succinctly twice, without needing a paragraph.

>>64251035
All powders have their uses anon. If you want low power precision loads in big cases trail boss is a good option.

>>64251046
Lol
Lmao, even

>>64251041
If you have a single shot or want to single-feed with straight wall cartridges, you can just seat the bullet way down in the case and don't really need Trail Boss. But it shines most in lever guns which need the bullet profile to feed properly.
>>64251046
Americans pay for 80%+ of the European defense budget, you have no right to complain.
>>64251048
I have an old trap door Springfield that I don't want to shoot black powder through due to the corrosion properties. So tell me, what powder can be loaded to full volume in a 45-70 case while maintaining black powder trapdoor pressures? Because according to you, all I have to do is "measure powder properly".

>>64251054
Why this insistence of full volume loads?

>>64251054
>Because according to you, all I have to do is "measure powder properly".
I'm not the guy you're replying to but yeah, that is all you have to do. There's zero reason to worry about "loading to full volume". That is a pointless self-imposed restriction.

>>64251054
Just pick up a reloading guide anon... you can reload all these older rounds all the.time with powders that arent perpetually out of stock.

>>64251059
>>64251064
>>64251068
Answering a question with a question is not a good look. We already covered this: it's for more consistent velocities. Every chambering in existence was developed to be loaded to the volume it was developed for. Cartridge developers do not intentionally add extra case volume for no reason at all, that would be foolish.
Now, answer the question: what smokeless powder do I use for full volume on my trap door Springfield?
According to you, all I need to do is measure properly. But what powder do I use, assuming I measure properly?

>>64251080
You do not need full volume loads for consistency.
You could use almost any slow burning powder to fill the case.

>be me
>waiting for trail boss for years
>come to this thread
>smoothbrains don't even get the point of it or understand why it's beloved
If this is some reverse psychology to get people to stop buying trail boss, then cool but if you guys are actually retards and don't see the point then I pity you and you don't deserve trail boss so I am glad you aren't buying it

>>64251088
Im just baffled that people can't figure out how to measure powder.

>>64251080
>We already covered this: it's for more consistent velocities.
Post your data showing that this is a real problem you are actually experiencing, or admit you're hung up on your autism.

> Every chambering in existence was developed to be loaded to the volume it was developed for.
That's not for consistency, it's for space efficiency with the intended powder. If you're using a different powder that goes out the window.

>Cartridge developers do not intentionally add extra case volume for no reason at all, that would be foolish.
Irrelevant. Especially in the context of new powders being invented that didn't exist when cartridges were first designed, as is the case with .45-70.

>Now, answer the question
Stop being silly.

>But what powder do I use, assuming I measure properly?
4198, Norma 200, RL-7, Accurate 2015, 3031, 4895.... I can be more specific if you bother to mention your projectile weight and intended purpose. I'm assuming this is for extended range target matches given your insistence on consistent velocity? I can give you a good rec if you share what bullets you're using.

>>64251093
You know you can measure trail boss too, right? Right anon? It's no different than all other smokeless powder in that regard. Except that it has by far the lowest density of any powder. It is the closest thing we have ever (and probably will ever) have to a truly 100% non-corrosive black powder substitute, which just happens to work in modern chamberings too.

>>64251106
>Post your data showing
It goes without saying. If your rifle is tipped at a different angle, the air space volume changes shape, and burn rates change. This does not happen with full volume loads. This is a fact. You cannot deny this. You are a fool if you even attempt to.
>That's not for consistency, it's for space efficiency
Which means, as we covered above, consistency. Thank you.

Now, move the goalposts further, and ask me to post my guns or my reloading setup. Let's hear it, so you can lose the final ounce of credibility.

So…. What’s everyone been reloading?

>>64251491
Mostly .308 match rounds but did some .455 Eley as well.

>>64251491
Been turning cheap target loads into slugs. I cut the crimp, melt the shot, cast it into something else. I have a roll crimp that holds the slugs in place.

Do the powder and primer prices go doen over there?

>>64251522
They go up then coast down but rarely to the point they started at…. Right now a lot of stuff is coming back in stock… finally seeing bullets other than Hornady at the local farm store… could usually find some at a dedicated gun store… now the dedicated gun stores have a decent supply.. at least around me.. picked up a 250 count pack of berrys 158gn 38cal rounds a few weeks back from Sportsman’s warehouse for example

>>64250974 (OP)
I bought 50 ae brass to make ammo so I have an excuse to get one.

Can any of you senior reloaders share a good 45 bullet source? Preferably hollow point, ideally something like rmr nuke but in .451, but target hollow point is good too, I just want something that cuts holes not tears.

>>64251023
>>64251049
Would it be a good choice for a low powered 9mm load? I want to make the softest shooting 9mm I can to cycle in my P38s, one of them is an aluminum frame early variant without the reinforcing bar.

>>64251023
>Trail Boss is excellent secondly for reduced loads in all cartridges because the elimination of empty air space
So a powder company invented a powder that makes bullets slower than other powder, and you have to buy more of it because you have to use more of it. And you're excited about this ?

>>64253423
Just use less powder.

>>64253312
If your trying to cut holes in paper then you’d want wadcutters.. wide and flat…like a hole punch…. Otherwise the Hornady xtps work pretty good without shedding bits if you don’t run them too fast.. lot of different weights out there, just kinda pricey.

>>64253423
It would work but for 9mm you could just use something more common and use less…. 9mm doesn’t have a ton of extra case capacity compared to what you run into with prior black powder rounds

>>64251160
I wonder if we could test this… what about using something like paper drinking straws cut to length and capped with a piece of paper to seal it…. I could try loading some 45LC to a low case fill… do half without straws so the powder lays flat and doesn’t form a solid column for the reaction to move through allowing it to move across the flat top, and the other half with a straw held centered above the primer, sealed and filled with the reduced charge…. I know the risk of using low case fill with positional powder is pressure spikes… but hell I’ve got that Alaskan and now a 460 x frame to shoot it out of both of which can tank spicy 454 or worse…. Might be interesting to try just to see how much it affects the consistency between rounds…. Can’t imagine a paper cut straw affects the available volume in a meaningful way provided the primer is centered under it, and that would keep a light charge in a packed column shape…. I’ve heard of using cream of wheat or something like styrofoam to fill extra case capacity to keep powder from shifting, but I’d imagine that might affect the available volume more than the paper straw would….

>>64253627
It was tested quite a few decades ago.
Unless you are doing super light charges in big cases it's not an issue.

>>64253627
Just sharpen a case with a deburring tool and cut some cardboard wads.
Press them down over the charge to the bottom of the case and voilà.

>>64253658
Honestly with 444 marlin running pistol and faster rifle powders it’s a pretty decent possibility

>>64250974 (OP)
>Handloading General?
Sure, let me think up five questions that would've been answered faster by googling, post one upside down phone pic of some strange project that I'll never follow up on and then let the thread sink to page ten and off the board entirely within a hundred posts like these threads always do.

>>64250974 (OP)
I got .455 Webley bullets and cases, now to ask the dude who hinted to me about the bullet sale for loading data (and then I have to buy the revolver too lel)

>>64253539
>So a powder company invented a powder that makes bullets slower than other powder
For the same volume, yes, and this has its advantages.
>and you have to buy more of it because you have to use more of it
No, it has the least density of powder, so you use less by weight.

>>64253423
Trail Boss generally isn't suitable for autoloading firearms without messing with spring weights, but you could turn your gun into a single shot very low recoil pistol for training purposes.

>>64253618
Yes, just like a hole punch!

Does a .38 or .357 barrel imprint differently on a bullet than a 9mm barrel does? If a 115/125gr 9mm bullet is loaded in a .38 case and shot through a revolver, would it look different when recovered than it would if it had been fired through a 9mm?

Anyone have any 45lc powder recommendations. Gonna load 230gn round nose hardcasts. Looking for 800-1000 fps. All recommendations will be entertained if I can find it.

>>64251491
9mm subs recently. Still need to ladder test some .308 I made the other month

>>64254766
6.5 grains of Trail Boss gets you 800fps according to Hodgdon.

>>64254457
You are paying the same amount for just over half the weight of a regular powder. To get the same velocity of a case full of trail boss you also use less of regular pistol powders.
The only advantage is it fills the case so lazy reloaders don't need to check for double charges.

I have been reloading 10mm. I made some with 7.2 gr Unique under a 180 gr XTP. Sierra 6th Ed. says that's the max. GRT says imma blow up my gun. Nosler 8th says max 6.8. When shooting it was bursting primers (small pistol) but they weren't flattened or anything and it was just a puncture. No other obvious pressure signs like difficult extraction. I was having some issues with FTFs but I think that was the XDM jostling around and me not having a good grip on the grip safety.
So what gives? Can I use magnum primers and keep loading up pissin' hot 10mm, or am I going to pop my barrel soon? And is there any way to get more energy out of 10mm?

>>64254896
If you don't like it that's fine, more for the rest of us then.

>>64254898
It's not wrong, but consider powder is not that big of a % of ammo cost, on the other hand
>don't need to check for double charges
is actually a big safety feature.

Got a bunch of 110 grain fmj .30 Carbine bullets I'm going to load into a 300 win mag case. Wonder if I can get it to hit 4000 fps before pressure signs.

>>64254866
I keep debating ordering some to mess around with, but for this I’m looking for something cheaper.

>>64255478
Neat. Are they jacketed or solid?

>>64255478
unless your 300 win mag has a 1:20 twist rate (or even slower considering the velocity) like the 30 carbine, be ready for those bullets to get shredded into powder at even ~3k FPS

>>64255478
I've loaded some ancient 110gr Speer round nose soft points in .30-06 rounds, used a very hefty charge of Norma 201 powder.
Performance was shockingly good in my rifle, exceptional accuracy. No signs of weird pressure spikes on the cases or primers.
I never shot any animals with these rounds, but I have every reason to believe that they'd make for excellent varmint rounds.

>>64255552
Lol yea I'm aware that might happen. I'm going to start slow and see where it goes. There's a lot of load data for 110 gr 300 win mag loads.

>>64250974 (OP)
i've been considering picking up handloading for if i ever get a .45LC SAA. love shooting my .357 but .45LC is so expensive that i'd want to reload it myself.

>>64255638
I remember watching my dad shoot some 4000fps loads, think it was a 22-250, they were leaving smoke trails for the first 100 yards or so because the plastic tip was cooking off. 30 caliber bullets have more thermal mass so you might not get the same trails.

>>64255651
Do it. It’s stupidly easy to reload 45lc and if your loading cowboy loads then a bottle of powder is likely gonna last you for at least 1000 rounds

>>64254457
I was trolling. It definitely has its applications, but I also think that in a lot of cases (no pun intended) a different powder would be the better choice, even for reduced loads. Basically, it's great that it exists, but it's kind of retarded to try to use it for everything even if you can technically do so.

>>64255686
$5 an ounce vs $3.5 an ounce for Bullseye. In most pistol loadings you can use 2/3 the weight of Bullseye to get the same velocity at slightly lower pressure.

>>64254625
Yes, the difference in twist rate would likely be noticeable. Depending on where exactly the specific projectile and bore landed on the spectrum of tolerances there might also be a difference in how well the rifling engraved on the projectile, but I sincerely doubt it would be enough to be noticeable

>>64254625
Why are you asking this?

Ended up picking up a bottle of hp-38 for my 45 lc. Looks like I’ll give it a go from 7.1 to 8 gns.

>>64257628
Not really worried about overpressure…. Planning on shooting this out two separate revolvers meant to take 454 casull, and 460 in the other..


Going to feel really “yeehaw”

>>64250974 (OP)
what does trail boss smell like when you shoot? I've never used it.

>>64257246
Wondering why there is hardly any .38 or .357 115/124gr FMJ ammo since using the same bullet for several cartridges seems like a good logistical choice for ammo manufacturers.

>>64259009
90% of it is that boomers don't want to see them fancy aerodynamic autopistol bullets in their cowboy guns

>>64259009
>>64259026
An extra thousandth of an inch all around the bullet would let gas go by, causing low bullet performance and increase the risk of squibs, especially in revolvers. Bad look for factory ammo. Rifling is about .005 tall so twist wouldn't be affected.

>>64251023
Make your own black powder then

>>64251054
>seat the bullet way down in the case
yeah don't do that, pic related

>>64251064
>zero reason to worry about "loading to full volume"
some powders don't like it, h110 does the pressure spike thing at less than ~90% full iirc.

Real niggas use unique.

>>64251491
lazily made 8 of these bois for a lazy test day at the range.

>>64251023
>need something for cartridges designed for black powder
>also need something that fills the case entirely without pressure issues
If only there was another product that could do that, anon. If only...

>>64251054
>corrosion properties
Clean it after you're done shooting it, ya dingus. Doesn't have to be right after, it can wait until you get home and put your shit away. Just make sure that you clean it that day with a water-based cleaning product. And yes, water itself works just fine if you can manage your autism and not be a retard about it. And here's a fun fact that you probably don't know, as this is not a story that the jedi would tell you:
>most of those old black powder guns that got "rusted out by black powder," actually got rusted out in the early days of smokeless, with smokeless ammo
>the smokeless powders of the day were advertised as not needing water to clean, which was technically correct, but no one considered that the primers might be corrosive
>nobody noticed that chlorate primers might destroy a bore during the black powder days because they were cleaning their guns promptly with water to deal with black powder fouling, which is also exactly how one deals with chlorate salts
>suddenly bores start rotting out and everyone from the ammo manufacturers to the us ordnance board were trying to figure out what was happening
>all sorts of crazy theories about acids getting deposited in metal and stupid shit like that
>it took the industry a decade or so to figure out that it was chlorate salt deposits from the primers that was the cause, and water was the cure
>next chapter: the long and sordid tragedy of non-corrosive primers in america, or how we nearly ran out of ammunition during wwi

>>64259206
I'm sure the local indoor range would love it if you brought black powder there

>>64250974 (OP)
Wait, trail boss was discontinued? When?
You mean I could have been scalping my jugs of it I bought in 2016 this whole time? :(

>>64259254
It was never officially discontinued, but there has been no new stock for years.

Yeah, boomers have been (and still are) trying to rape people for a 1lb can

>>64259246
Fuck 'em if they have a problem with it. Or better yet, don't shoot indoors. Your body's lead levels will thank you.

>>64259254
>>64259262
I just bought 4 cans from Sportsmen's. It's a dollar more per can than Midway, but if you have it shipped to store you duck the hazmat fee so it winds up being cheaper than the usual online vendors.

>>64259254
The factory in Australia where they made it exploded. Not kidding.

Hence why it disappeared from the market for a few years.

>>64251088
x2. I've never reloaded a single round in my life but when I was researching 45-70 I came to understand how good a powder like Trail Boss is for that application.

>>64259492
Trail boss is garbage for 45-70. A full case only gets you pistol velocities.

>>64259527
You don't have to load a "full case", that's the best part.
You can seat a bullet deep on top of a full load of Trail Boss and still get good velocity without erratic velocities or chance of squib loads.
Or maybe you only want pistol velocities because you have a pistol.

>>64259178
Nice. What velocity are you looking for?

>>64259546
Classy

>>64250974 (OP)
why would you put "no.1 choice by criminals!" on your product?

>>64259845
Outlaws are not necessarily criminals
The first pioneers in the American West would have been considered outlaws, because they were outside of any legal jurisdiction, even if they didn't engage in criminal activities

>>64259835
They are Lee Navy loads so these ones are ~27gr of 4895 w/100gr bullet stepping up to 30gr eventually.

last round I did was going around the 2.3k FPS but 6mm Lee Navy will typically push 2.5k so im in the ballpark.

This is more for I want to just shoot the thing rather than maximize ballistics. Lots of the testing has just been getting the bullet seating just right to make up for the shorter necks between 220 swift and original 6mm. I post over on /msg/ a bunch, but dont often slide over here to the reloading general often. I should though

>>64259851
I was using Green Dot for my loads. 100 grain lead bullet at just under 2000. Great for general pliking.
Still haven't finished making new brass. Need to finally fininsh my lathe project and make some dies to swage my brass. Did get the belts cut off a bunch of .240 wby though.

>>64259845
That's their target market.
Cowboy larpers tend to identify as one or the other.

>>64259857
>.240 wby though.
I've seen the 240 builds too. I wish I could've gotten a hand on the 25-06 reloads Buffalo Arms did a while ago. I use 220 because there is tons of it out here so its easy to source, .220 swift die, 6mm rem seating die, seat it just right and bam, a perfectly acceptable Lee Navy load that wont explode.
Ive just been conservative the with charge for a bit but its been working out.

>>64259851
Reloading general goes in cycles. There’s a lot of us doing interesting stuff, but not enough to sustain a constant thread. It’s usually better when it’s been a bit. Neat rifles, I mostly load handgun rounds for revolvers, so I don’t have to worry about stretching Oal for cycling, any issues with the brass doing that? Or it’s just about hitting a spot where it will happily cycle but still have enough neck tension to hold fast….

I actually just got back from testing some 45lc as well as comparing some 454 casull rounds between a 2.5 inch Alaskan and my new 8 inch xframe. 100 fps difference with some absurdly heavy 454 hardcasts, vs 350 FPS difference with some 260 gn and 240 gn loads. Neat to finally be able to compare it.

>>64259878
I take entirely too much pleasure in handguns that have stupidly absurd velocity and grainweights for a handgun…. 300 gn loaded 460 xvr.. feels like the gun version of Monopoly money numbers…

>>64259878
>any issues with the brass doing that?
none. If anything its advisable to fire form to get just a little bit more out of them but its a non issue primarily and only if youre going for true 1:1 brass to original spec.

I have around 30rds of original ammo that have been invaluable when it comes to verifying

>>64259847
>Outlaws are not necessarily criminals
Yes they are. An outlaw is outside the protection of the law no matter where they are, they can be killed on sight with no legal repercussions right outside a courtroom.
You just don't know what outlaw means.

>>64250974 (OP)
GUYS I NEED SOME FUCKING HELP
i'm about to get into reloading 7.7jap, problem is i can't get any fucking bullets for it, i heard .303 british is working perfectly for it but i would like to know more.
does anybody here has experience with 7.7jap and tell me what should i get to use as bullets ?

>>64260071
you said it yourself there isnt much else.
7.7=.303 they are the same bullet.

>>64260076
oh, alright then, nothing to be afraid of.
thanks pal.

>>64260052
You literally repeated what I just said. And what does it have to do with being a criminal?

Bad bot.

>>64260096
>You literally repeated what I just said
No, I didn't. That's the opposite of what you said.
You are too stupid to argue with.

>>64260098
My post:
>they were outside of any legal jurisdiction
Your post:
>An outlaw is outside the protection of the law

>>64260071
>>64260081
Since .303" bullets are quite uncommon, once you are comfortable, you could run some (much more common) jacketed .308" bullets through a Lee .303 sizer.

>>64260102
You are a moron.

>>64260111
.303 bullets are bigger than .308 m8.

>>64260071
It's close enough. In most instances you can go a few thous either way without fucking anything up too much. If you want to really blow your mind, slug a number of barrels in the same caliber from different manufacturers, measure the slugs, and then measure the corresponding bullets from a few different makers. You'll get numbers all over the goddamned place. Don't sweat it, the manufacturers sure as hell don't.
>haven't sized a cast bullet in over a decade
>why size them as a separate operation when shooting them sizes them for free?

>>64260111
Tell me how I know that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

>>64260138
>>64260120
Why are they called .303 then?

>>64260153
Because that's the distance between the lands of the rifling.

>>64260153
Chamber revolver in .429 diameter.. fuck it 44 mag…

>>64260153
primarily naming conventions and autism.

>>64260212
It's the same reason Soviet 7.62 isn't .308" either.
Measuring the bullet is kind of dumb really.

>>64260153
Same reason my >>64259851 is sometime called .236 Navy

>>64260153
You thought the name was an accurate reflection of the bullet size? Jesus, I knew that you didn't know what you were talking about, but now you've demonstrated that you're a fucking nogunz as well.

Why do you stupid fucks comment on shit that you have no clue about when actually knowledgeable people are involved in the discussion? Do you think that nobody will notice? Do you just assume that everyone else is as fucking moronic as you are? Explain yourself.

>>64260153
So without ridiculing you too much and chalking it up to be a newfriend.This post is an excellent example of why research and understanding of the subject is important in reloading

>>64250974 (OP)
Golden age? I reloaded Remmington UMC cases for 7.62x39mm for a while and then it just got too expensive to be worth all the shit. I boxed all my reloading gear for the Not-Happening.

>>64260352
I made a simple and quite understandable mistake due to the retarded and extremely unconventional name of an uncommon chambering. What do you want me to do, beg for forgiveness?

>>64260459
>extremely unconventional name
>an uncommon chambering
My dude stop digging, the hole's big enough.

>>64260459
>extremely unconventional name
I'll excuse your posting to believe that you just don't have alot of experience with older calibers. Retarded naming conventions was all the rage back then and so when dealing with said calibers, one needs to be diligent.

>>64260477
What other common or even uncommon chamberings have their bullet diameter notated by the land diameter and not the groove diameter?
>>64260482
Yet my point still stands. A .308 bullet can be resized to .303. My ignorance of the unconventional bullet specification does not change this.

>>64260499
>What other common or even uncommon chamberings have their bullet diameter notated by the land diameter and not the groove diameter
Literally all the Soviet ones for a start.
Learn when to shut the fuck up kid, you'll look smarter.

>>64260505
>kid
the boomers have been summoned

>>64260505
>soviet
We're talking about Imperial measurements here.

>>64260519
Jesus christ you people are fucking insufferable.
Spiritual Jewry is out of control.

>>64260529
>it's... da jooz!
Wrong board friend.

>>64260551
And yet you still can't shart out words fast enough to make yourself anything but wrong and dumb.

>>64260499
>A .308 bullet can be resized to .303
Well, good for you. You've now made a bullet suitable for zero cartridges.

Good luck ever even finding a resizing die to do it.

>>64260555
I ask again, would you like me to beg and plead for forgiveness for my mistake?
>>64260583
>Good luck ever even finding a resizing die to do it
I already posted one

>>64260590
>would you like me to beg and plead for forgiveness for my mistake
Try learning, dipshit.

>>64260598
That doesn't answer my question. I accept your concession.

>>64260459
No, you didn't make a simple and understandable mistake. I'm not angry at you (and others like you) because you didn't know the subject. I'm angry at you because despite not knowing what the fuck you were talking about, you went ahead and gave your shit advice to another anon that was looking to learn something. Had that anon listened to your bullshit, he would have wound up buying a sizing die that does nothing for him and might be wondering why his bullets are dropping into the cases. What's more, given the ease of researching any given topic on today's internet, you made a willful choice to remain ignorant rather than spending the thirty seconds to Google it or, if even that's too much work for you, ask an AI of your choice.

In short, you're a stupid person that thinks that you're not. The internet is full of you and is a far shittier place because of it. Since ISP's refuse to gatekeep thirdies and morons from otherwise civilized conversations, I've made it my business to do it myself. It's an impossible task, but if I can bully even one of you faggots into acting like an adult I'll consider it a success, but unfortunately for you, I enjoy it.

Now that you know, the next time you wander into a conversation where knowledgeable people are talking, try shutting the fuck up and listening instead of injecting your bullshit into it. You'll probably learn something, and you won't have to deal with assholes like me.

Now go fuck yourself and get the fuck off my internet, and don't come back until you have your shit together.

>>64260499
You know what? Check that. Go kickstart a rifle you worthless fuck. You're incapable of learning and are beyond redemption. Just go and fucking die. It will likely be the most meaningful thing you've done in your life at that point.

>>64260661
>my internet
lol
lmao
absolutely pathetic

>>64250974 (OP)
where? i cant find it anywhere also why is it so fucking expxensive you only get 9 ounces in a bottle what a rip

>>64251054
>>64251054
>I have an old trap door Springfield that I don't want to shoot black powder through due to the corrosion properties. So tell me, what powder can be loaded to full volume in a 45-70 case while maintaining black powder trapdoor pressures?
pyrodex, triple 7, alliant black mz you fucking nincompoop

lmao even

>>64259039
>modern pressures
>"just make your own black powder bro"
christ you people are fucking retarded

>>64262798
I would like to try making black powder at some point, but mostly as an academic experiment and not for regular reloading

everybody sure is cranky today
check out my sweet shelf

>>64262878
I don't know how people store so much powder in their homes, please be careful anon, anything can happen

>>64262798
Modern pressures of old BP cartridges are the exact same as when they were BP.

>>64262938
No they aren't

45 Colt has two different pressure specs (Black Powder, and "44 Magnum")

45-70 has three different pressure specs (Trapdoor, "Modern Gun", and "Ruger No 1")

>>64262961
Maybe look at what the specs actually are.
Any cartridge can be over loaded. That does not make it a spec.

>>64251048
You haven't said shit and you sound like an insufferable bitch.

>>64262938
What compels morons like you to smugly state bullshit about subjects you have zero knowledge about?

>>64262878
Nice shelf anon. H110, lil gun, unique…. I approve

>>64262878
How’s that leverevolution powder?

>>64251023
>What a foolish remark.

>>64263335
it's nothing special, but going by the hornady book for the hornady ftx bullets, the hornady powder gets the best velocity, go figure. It says it can get an extra 150 fps over anything else before hitting max pressure of a 30-30, which is what I bought it for, loading some for a friend. I don't even have a 30-30, and I don't really like the .458 ftx bullets because you have to trim brass .100 under to use them, and the construction/expansion isn't really impressive when I find the spent bullets downrange.

>>64263720
About half the revolver brass is the same way for those ftx’s. I have some sequestered 454 casull, 44 mag, and 444 marlin brass because I didn’t realize it was trimmed when I got it… oddly in 460 you don’t need to trim it…. Keep meaning to do something like shot shells with those short 444 marlin cases but haven’t gotten around to it

>>64263720
>>64263854
And yeah Hornady saying their special powder is the best…. Color me shocked…

>>64251085
you need full volume and complete burnout. read "the bullet's flight" from dr. mann, 1909. ballisticians have known this for a long time. incidentally, TB is great for .300 subs.

>>64263149
I asked that question yesterday, and I've asked that question many times before, here and elsewhere. They never answer. The subject matter is unimportant. Go to the most obscure niche online community and you will find someone spewing bullshit about something that they don't understand, and presenting it as if they're an expert that's done it before. It boggles the mind.

I'm not convinced that they can be bullied into stopping, but it's fun to try.
>this phenomenon predates the introduction of cell phones to india, so it's not simply a matter of third worlders ruining everything they touch

>>64251085
Filling the case improves ES and SD.
There isn't a single discipline where accuracy from a rifle is a difference maker where people aren't shooting compressed loads. If you pull an FGMM, the powder is compressed. If you look at top tier F Class and BR shooters' loads they are hellatiously compressed.

No you don't need to compress to hit a whitetail at 100 yards but you do to win a competition.

>>64253539
>you should always use the fastest burning powder so you use less so it is cheaper
How to tell people you don't reload without telling them you don't reload.

>>64258410
not nearly as good as gasoline

>get suppressor
>every one of my 300 blk subs is actually super
hammertime
also I need a chrono

>>64267570
Well, I guess its time you load up some trailboss

>>64267570
…. Might consider getting one of those cam action bullet pullers….

>>64251003
But I like just filling cases to the opening and seating a bullet. It makes reloading so simple.

>>64267570
I had kind of the opposite problem. I made a bunch of .308 subs but they all ended up being much too slow. I did load them on the conservative side, but I alao had a peoblem with tumbling that I wasn't able to isolate. I think it's just because I was using eld's at well subsonic speeds so they wouldn't stabilize

>>64267734
My 444 marlin subsonic experiments were… not appropriate for the twist rate I had…

>>64267771
Lol ya perhaps not. I was using 220's with a 1:9 which should stabalize without issue. They aren't monolithic or anything

10mm with accurate #9 and 180 gr hst

>>64267781
I have one of the early lone eagles with apparently a 1:38 twist rate… those were 505 gn bullets

>>64250974 (OP)
Sorry if this gets asked a lot, how consistent are you with powder charges for rifles? What is the acceptable variance between rounds? Is 0.1gr in either direction okay or do you guys really get it exact? It's my first time with rifle rounds so this is a conservative load and nowhere near max.

How stout can you load .357 using Unique?

>>64251046
I don't think boomers are going as hard lately. I just checked and could find it in stock. At my local big box store pretty much anything I want is always in stock on the shelf. Except that though, I would have to get that shipped to the store but it will be here in a few days.

>>64267771
kek

>>64268519
rifle barrels especially wave around when fired, if you're chasing accuracy then the more exact your measurement the better results you're going to get. A 45.1gr load may hit 1" different at a hundred yards than 45.0gr, it all depends on the rifle. Once you have a load the gun likes then you're chasing uniformity in cartridges so it always puts the bullet where you're expecting it to. Variances in neck tension will probably cause more spread downrange than a few granules of powder.

>>64268586
The Great Boomer Die Off is finally starting to show some results.

>>64268663
>A 45.1gr load may hit 1" different at a hundred yards than 45.0gr
You’ve never reloaded a rifle round in your life.

>cheapest bullets I can find are 15c
>cheapest primers I can find are 10c
>cheapest powder I can find comes out to 4c
This shit sucks

>>64270272
bullets are bullets, but I'm looking at magtech primers for 3.5 cents apiece, even CCI primers are 6 cents piece. No I'm not posting my primers website here, but you can look harder.

>>64270426
All prices are local. I can't be fucked to buy primers online and get dinged for $20 shipping

>>64270458
ok you stubborn old goat, go ahead and pay $500 for 5000 primers instead of $170 plus shipping. More for me.

>>64268568
Lyman lists a 158 gn jhp on 8.3 gns of unique at 1185 fps with 38k cup… if I turn GRT on later I’ll play with it a bit. I don’t really think of unique as being a flashy powder for heavy stuff at high speed. More of a “it’ll work reasonably well in just about anything it seems” kind of powder

Ok…. I’m good on 45lc for a bit.. 400 rounds later

>>64272391
Nice. I did some .308 today. I'm doing pistols tomorrow, had a bunch of 9mm fall into my lap so I guess I reload 9mm now.

>>64267862
what velocity do you get

>>64272391
how spicy are those loads i have hp38 and want to load low pressure 45 for a bp conversion revolver

>>64275962
I think they’re fairly spicy for 45lc… but out of an 8 inch xframe they felt like a popgun…. The high deviation is mostly from mixed headstamp brass.. for the bulk loading I went through and sorted it into matching sets of 50 headstamps… so should be less standard deviation shooting it..

>>64276550
Got 778 fps average when testing those out of a 2.5 inch Alaskan if that helps. Seems to burn clean, like it a lot more than the unique loaded rounds I did before…. Doesn’t seem like 230gn is all that common for 45lc, but I had a bunch of 45acp bullets left.

>>64276556
Fwiw I gave them a 3 out of 5 peppers in my informal rating for recoil…. Stout enough to notice compared to other factory loads, but not up towards +p offerings…

>>64272420
I keep going back and forth between “I should get the dies at least to load 9mm” and “I don’t want to be bothered to load that much for so little…”. Compared to the savings margin for big handgun rounds 9mm is something I think I’d rather just buy loaded right now….

>>64276560
My plan is to load these up, shoot them, then load them again with gold dots and forget about them.

What’s everyone like for 10mm auto? I loaded some 135gn nosler jhp’s on 8.7, 9.1, and 9.5 gns of autocomp to test…. Had previously loaded about 100 on 11 gns of power pistol…. Averaged 1559 fps out of a m&p with a 4.6 inch barrel with a heavier recoil spring.. which shot well but felt like it was slowly beating the gun apart… hoping for around 1450 fps on the high end with the autocomp…

some cool old headstamps I loaded a while back, that U.S.C. Co. one at the bottom is at least 90 years old, found them at a pawn shop. 60's REM UMC has the best headstamps imo.

boolets

If a batch shoots like shit is there anything I can change to improve it? Could it just be the bullet? I did two batches with two types of bullets so the powder and primers were the same. One shot great, the other was all over the place.

>>64283560
Are you using the same brass for all of them? Going through and sorting my brass by headstamp helped a lot for consistency…. Next thing would be to weigh your bullets before loading… If I’m loading plinking fun stuff I don’t bother, but if it’s something I’m gonna try shooting for real accuracy I’ll weigh the bullets and set aside the outliers.. this is more of a thing with hardcast, but some jacketed bullets will be a little different…. In jacketed I’ve seen some where you can get .2 grains up or down from the target weight…. Some of the hardcast can be more like a grain and change off…. There are many things you can do, all of them involve trading effort for consistency…. Trimming brass to the same length every time for example will give more consistent crimps…. Going through with a primer pocket flash hole trimmer can help… the more consistent everything is the better your results…

>>64283923
>0.2 grains off nominal weight
>0.3% difference with a 55 grain bullet, significantly less with a heavier bullet
I'm starting to think that you're another bullshitter that doesn't know what he's talking about, anon. In the extremely unlikely case that you're actually sorting bullets by differences that small, you're wasting your fucking time. You don't hold well enough to see the difference that makes on target. Neither do I. Hell, I'm pretty sure that the benchrest fags don't either, but they tend to do stupid shit like that thinking that it makes a difference.

I'm going to go with my first theory (you don't reload and probably don't own a gun, and you're repeating something that you read somewhere because you're brown) but you're welcome to explain yourself.

>>64284101
>calling hand-cannon anon noguns
Whew lad

>>64284101
Don’t know what to tell you anon. I wouldn’t bother doing it with everything, but if you want to make a run of ammo as consistent as possible, then that’s something that’s not to hard to control. I don’t think I’ve bothered doing it on more than 50 rounds at a time, and I agree it’s not a huge factor, especially compared to say using the same brass for proper case volume, and measuring every charge… but it is a factor that’s not too hard to control…. These are nosler 10mm 135gn rounds…

>>64284101
you're the hostile one saying dumb shit in a normally comfy thread my dude, are you getting proper nutrition? I get cranky if I go more than two days without fresh vegetables, have trouble falling asleep, annoying noises get to me more, things like that. Perhaps some self-care is in order, because you seem upset.

>>64251048
Woman or tranny?

>>64284185
Use your brain. .03% difference. The brand of primer will make more of a difference. The amount of sleep you got the night before will make more of a difference. Whether or not you drank coffee that morning will make more of a difference. Wearing a new pair of eye pro that's not scatched up will make more of a difference. Your level of fitness and hydration will make far more of a difference. Practice more instead of sperging out over insignificant non-issues. Invest the effort where it matters and stop telling inexperienced people this shit, because they don't know any better and they might start listening to it.

>>64284242
Fuck off no gunz. We're talking guns here. I went shooting today. Did you?

>>64283923
>Are you using the same brass for all of them
lol no not at all. I've been trying out a bunch of different types of ammo to see what my new rifle likes so it's a mix of like ten or so different types of case. I didn't even think of that. I only ever did .45acp before this and they aren't nearly as picky. The bullets were both sierra so I would expect them to be pretty consistent. Just weighed ten from a new box and they were all within 175.0 and 175.2gr. But both batches had a mix of cases so I don't think that's it, otherwise both would have been shitty. I wasn't planning on buying more of the one that sucked so it's not a big deal I'm just curious.

>>64250978
what happened to the primer wars?

>>64284736
If you have some fired brass with the spent priners in it try putting one on your scale then filling it with water after zeroing the scale, if you check between different brands you’ll find often the insides have different dimensions, this affects performance and consistency. What I started doing with mine is sorting it into groups of 50.. this makes it just a bit more consistent between several shots out of the same box… and while it’s somewhat tedious to sort the brass by headstamp…. It’s not something that takes much time and you don’t need any new equipment to do it… Every little thing you do in reloading affects consistency, if your just making plinking ammo then I wouldn’t worry about going to crazy with all the little details, but it’s worth thinking about what you can do that’s free that might improve consistency…. fwiw if you had 175.2’s then I bet if you searched enough you’d find some 174.8’s… both are not that far off from 175, but if random chance has you shoot a light one then a heavy then we’re up to almost a half grain difference.. not sure why you’d have one good batch and one bad, if your using a powder thrower it could be feeding a little weirdly… I found mine drifts to dispensing less as it uses up the powder in the tube, in order to counteract that I started putting a fill mark about 1/4th the way down the tube…. You’ll see the drift if your checking powder weights every couple rounds…. On non critical fun loads I generally check every 10. On normal hot stuff I’m loading at least 50 of I check every 5…. If I’m loading 500 mag, 444 marlin or anything else that’s really hot I generally just weigh every charge to be safe… it’s a long and never ending rabbit hole of things you can check….

>>64284617
Accuracy is the sum of all things anon. Might as well control as much as you can. And reloading is definitely something where attention to detail is going to give better results.

>>64284885
Again anon, you are not going to see .03% on the target. Were you to spend that time sorting out bullets by .2 grain differences instead on dry firing for ten minutes per day, you will absolutely see the results of that on the target.

If you're simply engaging in needless and possibly counterproductive autism because it's something you enjoy, there's nothing wrong with saying that. But to present this as good advice to a sane person trying to learn about this topic is irresponsible and counterproductive.

>>64284869
>if your using a powder thrower it could be feeding a little weirdly
It always does, so I keep a little dish of powder and spoon it in to get the weight exact. I can pretty much eyeball .1gr of powder now. I weigh every round.

>>64285851
To make this even funnier, I was pretty careless with the powder for the batch that grouped well. I was just trying to get it within .2gr of the goal and halfway through I noticed my scale needed to be calibrated so some of them were even more off. For the batch that grouped like shit I made sure each one was exactly 44.5gr.

>>64285851
It’s reloading anon. Your either chasing consistency or accepting mediocrity… they didn’t ask how to feel better about inconsistent shots, they asked what could be affecting it.