Thread 64251608

Was "mowing down" masses of enemies with machine guns ever really a thing? It's in movies a lot, but seems like it'd be very difficult to do if the enemy is spaced out and reacts to being shot at at all. Aside from a couple incidents in Ukraine where guys got caught dismounting from vehicles, I don't think I've seen actual confirmed incidents. There was a Hamas ambush of a few IDF guys standing close together, but even that I think only got 2 out of 3 of them from quite close with the element of surprise. Is it just an idea from movies?

>>64251608 (OP)
Omaha Beach
They tell you this in Elementary School.

>>64251608 (OP)
It happened a lot in WWI, WWII pacific theater and Korea.

>>64251608 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Basilone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_R._Kouma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_F._Pendleton

>tons of reliable historical accounts
>tons of cultural references ("Devil's Paintbrush", literal phrases such as "mowing down")
>completely within the realm of realism
>a predictable result of sending millions of men into industrialized war
>
>anon: "WAS IT ACTUALLY FAKE??"
what's this phenomenon called? redpill overdose?

>>64251670
I didn't know about any of these guys. Too bad Basilone and Pendleton never made it home.

>>64251673
That's what I'm asking about. There's lots of claims, but now there's several wars going on with tons of footage and there's not much evidence of it really happening. Makes it seem as though past stories could be exaggerated.

>>64251608 (OP)
No, it's all made up.

>>64251608 (OP)
No, you retard. Banzai charges in the pacific. No mans land in WW1. Zulus charging the English.

>>64251728
>Zulus charging the English.
They didnt have machineguns at Islandwana or Rorkes drift

>Whatever happens, we have got
>The Maxim Gun, and they have not

>>64251717
>That's what I'm asking about. There's lots of claims, but now there's several wars going on with tons of footage and there's not much evidence of it really happening. Makes it seem as though past stories could be exaggerated.
there aren't too many videos of bayonet or cavalry charges in Ukraine either. makes you wonder if that shit really happened

>>64251717
Have another. Guys MOH got hung up for years because he was medical.

>>64251608 (OP)
Yes but it got rarer as soldiers got used to MG fire.
>There was a Hamas ambush of a few IDF guys standing close together, but even that I think only got 2 out of 3 of them from quite close with the element of surprise.
They might have been wearing body armor so even if the MGer got a few hits on each one he might not have dropped them.

>>64251673
>parking lot on a scenic beach
>and an important historical site

>>64251891
Its just a beach

>>64251891
Europe's had enough big dick shit going on that you can't just keep everything untouched. Richy three wasn't found making a parking lot, but they found him under a parking lot.

>>64251779
But machine guns are still a ubiquitous part of modern infantry units.

My intuition is that mowing guys down in enfilade like the movies is pretty rare, but by no means unheard of. If I had to put money down, I'd think the vast majority of gunners with large body counts got them by unglamorously switching from target to target over prolonged time.

>>64252000
This strikes me as a very zoomer befuddlement. Everything being filmed everywhere and all the time is an incredibly recent phenomenon. Even GWOT era the shit you saw was pretty choice-ly shot and shown. It's only in the last 5-10 years that you can be damn near guaranteed of video of everything so much as a PFC pissing on a grenade.

>>64251673
>>64251641
casualties came primarily from artillery, with machine guns pinning them down and restricting movement to allow the artillery to hit them

machine guns did score multiple kills, but it was piecemeal, 1 or 2 people as they dashed from cover to cover
being able to cut down an entire higgins boat before any of them could leave did happen but it was the exception and not the rule, but its just a grisly event no one is likely to forget

>>64251608 (OP)
>enemy is spaced out and reacts to being shot at at all
that would be insubordination

>>64251717
You know this scrawny little emancipated manlet right?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy

Also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Imjin_River

>>64252355
I am familiar with Audie Murphy at least.

>>64251735

He obviously can't tell a Zulu from a fuzzy wuzzy and is referring to Omdurman where 52000 spear armed shias attacked 8000 British soldiers armed with quick firing horse artillery field guns and maxim guns. Most of them died before they even got within range of a Lee Enfield.

There was an even crazier incident a few years later. In 1903 Britain sent an armed delegation to Tibet and 3000 troops from the Tibetan army who still had matchlock muskets tried to stop them. The British opened fire with the maxim gun and killed most of them. It was such slaughter that the maxim gunners (20 year army lifers with starched mustaches and no love for orientals) ceased fire without orders because of how barbaric the slaughter was.

>>64251641
>>58192874

>>64251608 (OP)
Korea.

>>64251891
There are private houses all down the beach but a parking lot is where you draw the line?

>>64251608 (OP)
What arma skin is this?

>>64251608 (OP)
>I don't think I've seen actual confirmed incidents.
(WW2) Mitchell Paige held back an entire Japanese regiment with 4 machine guns after thirty-three Marines in his machine gun platoon were killed or wounded while defending a ridge during the Battle of Guadalcanal.

(WW2) John Basilone and the two machine-gun sections under his command held off an attack by a regiment of about 3,000 Japanese soldiers. He was one of only three Marines in that group to survive.

There were many more incidents in other wars like WW1 but those two are the ones I know from memory.

>>64252693
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2669794368

>>64251673
>what's this phenomenon called?
Stupidity, idiocy, retardation, etc...

During the Kurt Muse rescue, a Delta Force operator with a machinegun on the roof of the prison killed 60 Panamanian soldiers and police officers. The raid lasted only a few minutes.

>>64252769
That's badass.

>>64253089
Bro, did you really put coomer mods on Arma?

>>64253142
Yeah.

>>64251608 (OP)
No anon, bayonet charges were pure hollywood hallucination

>>64253227
That must smell bad.

>>64251608 (OP)
>>64253085
what is this, operation flashpoint with waifu fag mods?

>>64253142
You've never used Arma as a tactical ryona simulator?

>>64253240
I doubt it, those aren't Indians.

Name the mod, onii-chan

>>64251608 (OP)
Your mp4 shows you using a Maxim in an unsupported position to engage enemies from about 300m away, with no magnification. I thought this was dumb so I made this to show you a better way. Deploy your bipod on flat ground. Use a magnified optic to see what you're hitting. Use thermals with IR tracers so you can walk your shots in. Engage from 400m away or more.

>>64251717
anon... how many beach landings have there been in recent history?

>>64253764
It’s Arma 3 with Cold War DLCs and lots of mods.

>>64253822
Posted >>64252728 World Wide Armed Female for the character. The machine gun in the first clip is from specialist military arms. The BTR and trucks with CSAT markings are from one of Massi’s mods. Most other gear is from DLCs (I modded the enemy soldiers myself, mostly using DLC assets). I play with a couple dozen mods.

>>64253830
That’s some smooth operating anon. Thanks for the tips. Though I don’t think most soldiers irl have thermals available for their MGs.

>>64253838
The Russians promised one, but it never materialized.

>>64251717
Holy fuck you zoomer faggots are just as retarded as boomers.
Listen here ya underage nigger, in the retard slavic slap fight there is little evidence of machineguns "mowing" down blobs of infantry because this doesn't happen. Why?
Because the two eastern European shitholes are in demographic collapse and are poor as fuck so this resilults in two factors. One they can't put as many soldiers in the field they would like and two they have to rely on flying toys hooked with explosives instead of artillery, air power etc because they can't afford it.
This results in a sparsely manned line where 2-3 dudes are fighting an assault groups of 3-4 dudes in the space of several miles, you are not mowing down shit in these conditions.
Ww2, ww1, fuck it even Korea and Vietnam did not have these conditions, yeah sure some accounts might be exaggerated post-factum but a dude killing 50 dudes instead of the 90 he claimed is not as bad as you would think and would still count as an incredible feat.
Holy fuck the fact that I had to explain something so obvious shows how low iq you niggers are.

>>64251608 (OP)

Do some reading about the Chinese in the Korean War please.

>>64254034
/k/ and most of 4chan is now a reddit circlejerk where the mods cater to the redditors and allow them to bring the quality of boards down because they need the clicks and because they hate certain boards and certain political views.
They put up a notice that political posts and current events discussion belongs on /pol/ and then allow these faggots to break that rule because the guy they're laughing at who got killed was a right winger.
So that's what this place is now. Old /k/ is dead and it isn't coming back, and neither is 4chan. It's threads about video games and thinly veiled politics threads instead of discussion about weapons. And if you point this out then you're the bad guy who gets the ban, just like reddit.

>>64254096
>reddit
I never understood the constant seethe about reddit on 4chan.
You guys are buck-broken by reddit it's insane

>>64254096
I’m sorry if you think it wasn’t a good question for its own thread, but I have no idea how you made a connection to Reddit and politics. I’m have guns btw, I got a nugget when they were super cheap.

>>64251608 (OP)
The French were especially retarded in WW1 and WW2, and they were mowed down by the thousands on many occasions.
Imagine being in a platoon of very flamboyant colored uniforms that present this gigantic target and some German with a Maxim was like bingo.

>>64254134
Because redit is the anathema of 4chan,it holds the most milktoast opinions that rely on tranny mods to keep dissent censored. You can't be honest, you can't be blunt or crass you can't just dismiss people and call them faggots, you have to engage with the most brain dead retards in a respectful and not dissagreeable manner. It basically defeats the whole purpose of an anonymous image board which is to get people's opinions unfiltered and engage with them in the same way. The upboats and down votes also work in the same way to censor controversial opinions on 4chan it is the opposite for better or for worse as we get ragebait (you) farmers.
/k/ is now basically redit, the only rules should be to be on topic not to censor dissenting opinions.
For example I am pro-russian even if I know they are muslim subhumans for the simple fact that liberal democrats support Ukraine and I want to see all they stand for destroyed. You can dissagre call me a faggot, nigger, traitor etc but both opinions should either stay or get nuked off to /pol/ where they belong.
But this is not what happens, this board Is moderated as pro-ukraine and their shill threads are allowed to stay while mine get deleted. QED it is now redit.
You will not understand this since you sound like a war tourist at best or an election tourist at worst.

>>64251717
>There's lots of claims, but now there's several wars going on with tons of footage and there's not much evidence of it really happening.
That's because machine guns have been around for over a century at this point and anyone who's watched a movie or played a videogame knows that you don't charge them head on. Back when they were first used, people had to learn that the hard way.

>>64251608 (OP)
consider
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfilade_and_defilade

>>64254321
Most of the people who fought in wars back then (WW1 and 2) were 18 years old. They didn't have videogames or realistic war movies to pretrain them.

>>64251717
>Didn't know about John Basilone

Get the fuck off /k/

>>64254380
But I has a nugget. I’m a /k/ommando.

>>64254649
My source is Dalton Fury. He talks about invading Afghanistan with said machine gunner.

>>64254689
Dale Comstock also on the rescue and confirms the story in interviews.

>>64251728
>Zulus charging the English
That's not how Zulu actually fought, nor did the British have machine guns deployed fir that conflict.

>>64254689
>>64254709
why would you believe podcast stories when they just lie over and over again

>>64254774
Can you prove it wrong? Your Wikipedia picture doesn't have a source.

>>64251642
WWI was probably peak mowing season. Stories of Krauts blasting Haig's meatwaves are incredible. Piles of dead, with more brits climbing over the dead, and the machine guns were just blasting the whole time. Madness.

>>64254170
The French leadership was intentionally trying to get them all killed. France's military was completely infiltrated by this time, and they have never recovered.

>>64254170
It's hard to put into words just how badly the French got their fucking teeth kicked in at the start of WW1. I read somewhere that 70% of all French casualties in the entire war happened within the first 365 days.
To be fair, the Germans took it bad too. A single machine gun covering a bridge chokepoint killed so many Germans during the Battle of Mons that they were eventually able to cross by using the piles of their own dead bodies as cover.
1914 was a particularly not-so-fun time to be an infantryman.

>>64252769
I re-read the book and it actually says over 50, not 60.

Since can't be bothered asking anywhere else and see the /k/ armafags are in this thread, is Arma Reforger worth getting for comfy logistics play keep in mind the devs decided to just put the game "on sale" just after they bumped up the price?

>>64251728
Indeed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_gun#Conflicts

>>64251891
How are the Americans supposed to get there?

>>64252331
>with machine guns pinning them down and restricting movement
And how does a machine gun pin somebody down and restrict their movement, nonny? :3

>>64251673
it's brain melting because of excessive social media use. Basically infojunkie stuff

>>64251673
>what's this phenomenon called?
It's called being a brainless gorilla nigger.

>>64251673
>Massive military super-project
>Ridiculous amount of expensive and scarce resources
>Hundreds of thousands of workers building it for two years
>Even more POW's and other slave labor
>Later even troops, which should have been training or fighting instead

>D-Day
>The most resistance encountered is a single fucking MG bunker

How the hell do you fuck up this bad?

>>64251673
I call it the Panzer-Katana Effect. Upon learning that some things they thought they knew about something were exaggerations, they assume everything about that thing must be false.

>>64256108
You upset me, dumb fuck

>>64251891
>american complaining about parking lots

>>64251608 (OP)
>Was "mowing down" masses of enemies with machine guns ever really a thing?
The purpose of machine guns is to THREATEN this, and yes it did happen whenever they tried human wave attacks during the Civil War (gatling guns), WW1, WW2, Korean War, and Vietnam. But the real purpose is suppression, and act as a force multiplier for other infantry forces. A machine gun by itself doesn't win battles, it is part of the infantry squad system.

>>64255018
Idk. Still playing Arma 3. Haven't seen a reason to move on.

>>64256290
>and yes it did happen whenever they tried human wave attacks during the Civil War (gatling guns)
way to discredit yourself. a grand total of 12 privately-owned gatling guns existed in land forces during the US Civil War and they were used once.

>>64256310
I got really annoyed by the 2.20 update because it bugged the SACLOS function of the scalpel missiles when assigned to the pilot of a two seater vehicle. So my custom mission loadouts for the Blackfoot, Xian, and Kajyman became useless. I had them loaded with pilot controlled scalpels for sniping purposes.

>>64256981
Hopefully they fix that in the next update. Thankfully I don't doo a lot of vehicle ops.

>>64254931
It took the French a long time to realize their uniforms were a bad choice and that instead of being intimidated the enemy was just going to shoot and kill more of them against the backdrop.

Final protective fire on Guadalcanal would have focused on area sweeps rather than targeting individual enemy soldiers.

>>64251891
fugg

>>64253830
thats the western sahara dlc?

>>64251608 (OP)
>Was "mowing down" masses of enemies with machine guns ever really a thing?
Yes. Here's Michael Caine who will describe what he saw in Korea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkvQZSpl6Io

>>64251673
>what's this phenomenon called?
ivory tower millenialism

>>64251717
I suppose if you were running a belt fed that caught a platoon in the open you're be taking selfies for your instagram

>>64256310
Reforger is generally more stable. No longer do you have to see your bullet go through your opponent's head while sniping, but he's still alive because the hit didn't register. My two cents: keep playing Arma 3 and let the beta testers help the dev team with Reforger until Arma 4 is ready.

>>64251735
>>64252523
There were two gatlings at the Battle of Ulundi (the Zulu capital)

>>64251891
My guy, Normandy isn't the Aleutians. The coastline has been dotted with villages since before the Romans showed up.

>>64251891
You think Omaha's bad? They built an entire town right on top of Juno Beach

>>64251891
What heartless bastard would pave over such an important site? (Pic unrelated)

>>64251673
>>64251891
For comparison's sake, this is what the Vierville Draw looked like before D-Day

>>64258038
Before the war, I should said.

>>64256108
For one, 90% of the concrete and steel used in the Atlantic Wall went towards fortifying the coast of Europe between Spain and Finland. The other 10% went to the Channel Islands.. all 76 square miles of them.

>>64257442
Yeah. The Extraction scenario is a good testbed for modded weapons and vehicles.

>>64256108
almost all of the german forces were stuck in russia. the invasion would have never even remotely been possible if the germans had just 10 divisions more in france at the time. the allies had to wait until germany was basically defeated and completely out of reserves to pull d-day off.

>>64253764
>operation flashpoint
Have you been in a coma for 20 years?

>>64256120
>Panzer-Katana Effect
I'm stealing this one.

>>64257345
>our tube fed, long as fuck service rife is too awkward and unwieldy, we need a modernized replacement
>sure thing, here's an en-bloc clip with three bullets, no safety, and fixed sights
France made some awful decisions in the name of elan for sure. Not quite as retarded as WW2 Japanese banzai culture, but the French were deliberately kneecapping themselves under the belief that their stronk gigachad infantrymen with maxed out morale buffs will always figure out how to win victories.

>>64251608 (OP)
>‘In 1893 in Southern Africa, British colonial police slaughtered 1,500 Ndebele warriors, losing only four of their own men in the process. This astronomical, almost unfathomable victory was earned not through superior strength, courage, or strategic skill, but because the British were armed with five machine guns and the Ndebele were not’.

>>64262560
is he ok

>>64256108
>The D-Day in itself was a feat on par with the fortification effort
>Diffuse defenses across thousands of miles vs concentrated forces
>Static defenses in the age of mobility warfare they themselves invented
>Anon's retardation
The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to go around our Maginot line, and nobody was going to go around theirs.
- Amphibious-lander Eisenhower

>>64257942
>>64257999
Brave men

>>64251673
- faggots somehow deny reality even during 21st century shit happening right now, with terabytes of high-def content generated from all possible levels;
- now imagine how easier it is to deny shit when some time passed since it happened, including but not limited to moving down people by machine guns, soviet human waves, blocking detachments and so on;

>>64256108
Fortifications don't fight back, the army does. The army which was balls deep inside soviet union

>>64251717
>There's lots of claims, but now there's several wars going on with tons of footage
Even that "ton of footage" just scratches the surface of what happens each day on the ground. I personally know people in AFU who fought since day one, and there were so many fucked up clashes, especially in the early days, that you niggers wouldn't even believe, and pretty much no footage exists from back then because filming wasn't that high up on the priority ladder for everyone, just because of how fast crap was happening.

>>64251642
Korea was next level shit in regard to mowing down human wave attacks.

>>64252725
>>64251608 (OP)
I'm not that anon but one that I always remember is Beck and Adams from the Battle of Ia Drang Valley.

https://www.armyheritage.org/soldier-stories/sp4-bill-beck-ready-for-battle

This sounds immature but its nuts that Beck was basically like a FPS protagonist for a day. He was doing like 5 different things at the same time that day, one of which was manning a machine gun position that held a very exposed flank for most of the battle. He also drew all of this since he was a trained artist.

>>64262560
>These sorts of retards then thought "hey we don't really need too many machine guns for our infantry battalions"
1914 was basically auto-genocide when you start to think about it

>>64263191
They were on tutorial level compared to the advanced moving that Haig set up for the Somme, if you look at the numbers.

>>64251608 (OP)
recoil control in video games is so gay, it's like having only one point of contact irl

>>64251891
>>64256278
kek
listen here sonny, it's a parking lot gramps overcame

>>64254931
>1914 was a particularly not-so-fun time to be an infantryman.
same as 2024 in the drone wars

>>64257466
>Korea
the untold king of mow downs, that's why they're all so shook by it

>>64257942
Fucking cyclists, hope a car hits them

>>64253142
On the bright side, it would be pretty funny if they were the only one in the game like that and everything else was completely vanilla.
Like, they would just burst from a bush, jump into a BMP and then all you hear inside is muffled bass-boosted Caramel Dansen as it drives away; or it would make UWU sounds as it's gets blasted by CAS and sent ragdolling into the distance.

>>64265218
>Set up a server
>Load the Antistasi mod
>Set all the Russian troops to be lolis
>Set all the player characters to be ugly bastards

>>64253093
>>64253830
Sometimes I miss playing ARMA, and then I remember how finnicky and clucky it is, and I don't miss playing ARMA anymore. I really miss those night missions running the JSRS & Blastcore mods. Firefights were amazing.

>>64251608 (OP)
Was a thing in WW1 and 2, doctrine changed to prevent it
Smaller teams, more spread out, armored vehicles to hide behind
You need to remember WW1 was not that long after the American civil war where they were still standing in lines firing muskets
Between civil war and WW1 all the conflicts we had were slaughters of indians and Asians
No one quite knew how machineguns and airplanes were going to mix things up

>>64262328
The MAS-36 was breddy gud. They sure have a smooth action.

>>64251717
Ukraine is such a nothingburger war, and you trying to question historical fact, mentioned from everywhere from after-action reports to veterans themselves, because Slavs send teams of five guys one at a time via pickup truck is moronic.

>>64265698
>then I remember how finnicky and clucky it is
Arma 3 was especially bad. It made some modders return to Arma 2, and now all the newer players gladly switched over to Arma Reforger, which has fewer features, just to reduce the clunkiness.

>>64262560
Lol he looks like The Toxic Avenger.