Thread 64251639

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Respectable kit only, steel plates BTFO edition.
Old: >>64197339

>Inspection of assault trooper equipment 3 OShBr
>2023 year
I can translate this article for you. Are you interested?
https://nezlamni.city/articles/326254/oglyad-sporyadzhennya-shturmovika-kulemetnik-3-oshbr-varyag-rozpoviv-pro-svoye-ekipiruvannya

>>64251661
Nice. Give it a shot and keep us posted.

>/gq/ infographics: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
>Older / other infographics: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

Last major infographic to-do is helmets. Also Highcom sux.

>>64251661
Should we stock up on Ukrainian surplus? Will it increase in value after the war? (I don't think Ukraine will be in a position to continue producing equipment)

>>64251921
where do you even get it besides ebay

>>64251900
They still ghosting you? lol

>>64251639 (OP)
>Old: >>64197339 #
Did I miss anything? I don't want to read the thread.

>>64252235
I just mean in general. After Ukraine (probably) loses I don't think there will be many genuine uniforms or anything in wide circulation (at least not after a while)

Random question: what can you realistically do when you get shot on the neck, and what can you do to prevent it?

About to pull the trigger. From Sierra tac. Good buy?

>>64252640
Yeah, that's good.
Not super-high-speed plates, but they're solid and should do the job. There's nothing better at a similar price.

>>64252649
Appreciate it. ordering now

Thoughts on the Eighty-Four Pattern 84 plackard sold by KS?
Also, is the Eighty-Four flame retardant balaklava g2g? Anyone have first-hand experience? It's the Arc'teryx knockoff.

>>64252640
jesus christ those prices. Why not just get italian ones for 50$ that are like 2 pounds

>>64251661
Don't Mechanix gloves melt? I'd hate to have molten plastic on my hands in combat.

>>64252977
Unless you could fling flaming, molten plastic at your enemies while yelling, "Eat flaming, molten plastic, my enemies!! Reeee!". That would be worth it.

>>64252977
Whether you need high temp gloves depends on your specific exposure to high temp. If you're not running a suppressor that you need to stow as soon as you're done using it, you probably don't really need high heat resistant gloves.

>>64252262
Hell yeah brother I think Rachel must have promoted from tacshit to Highcom with Apex on the side.
>>64252302
Steel plates suck ass, RMA sucks slightly less ass, Highcom sucks around as much ass as RMA but has NIJ certs insulating the ass-suckage.
>>64252563
Neck armor. Militech, ebay police surp, mehler vario and tencate even make neckplates if you've got a line on them.
>>64252640
Sorry for the late reply, the 4403 is the most reliable certified entry-level IV on the market. Beats the Highcum 4S17M and RMA 1155's asses.
>>64252833
The Italians are from the late dark ages (0101.03), all-PE, can be compromised by mere temperature and anons have tested them to lose against 7.62x39 mild steel core, which is awful even by all-polyethylene standards. Normally all-PE plates can easily handle that. M855 out of even an ARP will very likely destroy them. This is basic ammo we're talking about here.
The Hesco 4403 is much heavier but is a stout, certified solution against .30-06 M2AP and everything below it. M855A1, M80A1, BZ API, M61 AP, M855 easily, M193 easily.
With armor you get what you pay for. If a deal's too good there will be a catch.

>>64253015
I was thinking more like in combat, napalm, phosphor, thermobarics, burning buildings, burning vehicles, hot barrels (a really good name for gun/military themed gay porn...), you know, hot stuff. Same with any shirts you wear. You don't want it melting on you.

>>64252833
Wait until you see what the 4801 costs.
>>64252333
I think Russia will be damn broke and it's possible they start robbing peter to pay paul more than usual, so the surplus ebay market might get super hot for a while.
Cheap granits might be a worthy alternative to the new breed of poverty plates like the 4SAS4, but it has to be kept in mind they need both soft armor and a KAP climate panel to work.

>>64253154
>Cheap granits
where though

>>64253156
After the war ends and whoever's in charge needs money to stay afloat. Both Ukraine and Russia have really shitty domestic armor industries (a lot is C or even D-grade chinese white label) so expect a lot of trash with the treasure. Anyone remember those Atlas BR-6 plates ostensibly rated for 3x 12.7x108mm B-32 API? Or the Hyperions? Even UARM has had failures.
There used to be lines on getting cheap granits in 2017-2018 but there was always the risk of getting realistic weight airsoft fakes. Also the real ones would be labeled as airsoft to escape customs so you'd be playing russian roulette with half the chambers loaded as to whether you'd get screwed. You can still buy them but the prices are jacked.

>>64253030
I see your point, but I also feel like the standard-setter in tactical gloves being made of fiber that melts to your skin instead of burning off would be bigger news.

>>64251639 (OP)
I got 2 of these ucp IFAK kit pouches that they advertised as holding 7 usgi stanags. but I'm at an odds, surely these modern setups are team based, like what the fuck are you going to to with 120 rounds providing your own covering fire. my guy you have 4 magazines on your person and you chose to nerf yourself.
Fucking A the guys in somalia had at least 12, nobody is going to resupply you.

>>64253258
The old adage continues to hold true. Mission dictates equipment. If the situation permits, operation duration is real short, and you value keeping mobility then four magazines is enough to hit a house with five other dudes and dip in thirty minutes.
If you have no resupply and are providing your own covering fire, as you describe, then a case can be easily made for 12+ magazines. We've got at least two anons that are rolling split vests with 2x Condor MA33s, so they've got 18+1 on deck and ready to go.

>>64253258
completely depends on what you're even doing
I can carry a BRICK of .22 on me, hundreds of rounds. I'm not looking to rambo through a firefight or keep someone down with suppression if anything it's a shoot and scoot if a shot has to be taken at all
and I do need to down someone I'm busing out a long rifle but that could still be a .22

>>64253269
you make a great point, but what if we wanted to have our ass be heavy

>>64253258
doesn't matter when you get cut off from your team from extraordinary circumstances. And with the world on schedule to burn, you're gonna need plenty until the next safe haven.

>>64253291
Then buy those Blackhawk triple cell pouches that can fit 4x3 stanags. 24 mags on the vest sucka.
>>64253299
I'm thinking people might wanna revisit laser dazzlers given the circumstances. That guy on ebay is still selling 200mW LA-12 GLIS dazzlers on the cheap. Must have sold forty by now. I can attest it's brutally fucking bright and the strobe is wicked.

anyokne knows a pouch thatll go on these two hooks?

>>64252563
Large bore IV's (probably intraosseous), transfusion on the spot if possible, pack the wound as best you can, get airway secured, transport to vascular surgery. In the case of Kirk, he was dead on the spot. You could see his spinal cord was severed. I was actually DMing a paramedic buddy while that happened and we were in disbelief how people could think he's "in critical condition" and not dead.

>>64251639 (OP)
>Bearded man wears M50 with no filters edition
Godspeed STALKER

>>64252333
>After Ukraine (probably) loses
Any day now.

Savotta jakaari S + 2 4L side pockets (potentially another 2 4L or 3x4 or 3x3 on the front) vs savotta kahakka 25 + 2 4L pouches?
I'd be using it as an assault pack as a motor rifleman, both hot temperate and very cold conditions.
I'd be carrying a puffer or lvl7 jacket, spare socks, ammo, medkit, batteries, food, water, poncho, rain pants, maybe some additional random shit they give to me etc

>>64252563
>what can you realistically do when you get shot on the neck
Jam your thumb into the wound and hope you have someone around to drive you to the hospital before you pass out.

https://youtu.be/1449kJKxlMQ

>>64253614
Something with zipties added.

>>64253019
>Steel plates suck ass, RMA sucks slightly less ass
Thx, I think I caught this from the last 50 threads.

>>64252563
I would press O to dodge away.
Maybe go for a cheeky parry with my off-hand.

>>64254405
and now Highcom sucks ass too. Also LTC can't make good Level IVs. The suckage is rising. Soon they will have no choice but to buy... Hesco.

>>64253019
>4403 is the most reliable certified entry-level IV
Rate me. This purchase was based upon /gq/ rec from the NY shooter days.

>>64255348
You did good. The 4401 is a lightly revised 4400 that resolved that plate's NIJ suspension. The 4403 is described by Hesco as a better plate, but the 4401 still beats out the 4S17M / RMA 1155 and competes evenly with the LTC 26605.

>>64255367
Tanks. Now just a carrier. Prolly just a JPC 2.0. And a slick, I have 2 pairs.

>>64255376
Those'll do. Fortunately, you didn't fall for the Highcom 4S17M or RMA 1155 like le plebbiters did back during the Hesco suspension shitshow.

>>64252803
I have two 84 pattern mag pouches and they're heavy duty, maybe to much so. the elastic is VERY strong and makes it kind of a pain to remove anything that's not a smooth STANAG mag, but that should break in. also, on the individual pouches the bottom edge is pointy but that should be fairly easy to fix.

>>64255376
>slick
If I don't just get 2 JPC2.0s, can anyone rec a undershirt slick carrier? Looking to go low profile here.

>>64255854
Ferro slickster?

>>64255873
>Ferro slickster
Sold. Now all I need is a cool velcro patch.

>>64255972
Hit up the patches thread here or ebay sellers.

>>64256004
>patches thread
Literal dorks. Picrel is from my ebay cart.

>>64256074
Those are pretty chill. Now if you wanna get swanky get up on aliexpress. Embrace the AI-generated elite tactical operator hookloop patch 2x3 free shipping future.

>>64256081
>Those are pretty chill
Thanks, for my Red Dawn larp. The Rebel Scum patch is in my cart. As is this one.
>Now if you wanna get swanky get up on aliexpress. Embrace the AI-generated elite tactical operator hookloop patch 2x3 free shipping future.
This is next level to me.

>>64256213
>next level to me.
But I am ready for the next level if you have time to advise me?

>>64253845
even a small pack like that, once weighted with water, needs better straps than the S comes with. The Kahakka 15 and 25 are straight upgrades and I wouldn't be surprised if they discontinue the S

>>64256213
>>64256241
There's nothing too complicated about it. Aliexpress sellers, like with most things, have massive arrays of AI-generated patches and also patch designs they steal from other sellers. They sell shit on the cheap, quality is hit or miss, and hopefully you don't get dinged on import charges. There's a couple pointers with Ali:
1. Don't buy from shops with no prior sales, especially shop101818271 or other random numbers.
2. Do not expect amazon-level shipping speed. This will go by plane or sometimes if you're unlucky boat, so it's gonna be a minute. Don't buy anything on Ali that's time-sensitive.
3. Don't buy anything on Ali you aren't willing to write off in case it gets seized, "liquidated", or isn't as advertised. The return / refund process is significantly harder than Amazon A-Z or eBay and it only gets tougher as you go up the river to Alibaba and made-in-china.com, which are more factory-direct. Pic rel is the aliexpress guide. This isn't patch-related but it shows a lot of what they have to offer. Note, prices are likely out of date.
I've got a couple KAP climatic amortization panels in route, to put behind my Hescos, so I'll let you know if Aliexpress honors the "import charges included" language. Basica

>64256313
And here is the obligatory side 2 of the Aliexpress infographic.

>>64256313
Thx, pass. I'll just reach out to my ex coworker's wife who has a programable embroidery machine. US base cottage industry. If I get 10 or 20, I'll put them up to /gq/ first. Patch fag general can bite me.

>>64256360
Definitely fair. Aliex isn't good for patches, what they're good for is pouches and other, larger things on the cheap.

>>64255554
Great info, thank you.

>>64256313
>>64256321
Why are these infographics relevance to patches?

>>64256523
>Why are these infographics relevance to patches
Totally irrelevant as I already said, they're for buying things off Aliexpress.

>>64256571
Damn that's fucking stupid.

>>64256604
What's dumber, the fact it weighs five pounds or that you can finance it for $63.09 a month with shop pay?

>>64256571
>If you got shot with that mask on, would it hurt?

>>64257082
It would be extremely painful

This too is forgotten.

>>64252333
Dude Ukraine is kicking Russias ass

>>64257438
If we're lucky this means Ukraine gets to pawn off a lot of "demilitarized" Russian equipment. Cheap granits for everyone!

kinda want to armor my leather duster with IIIa soft inserts, is this retarded and based, based, or just plain stupid. I don't have a pic rel but it looks like the Fallout new vegas advanced riot gear duster with the breast pockets a little lower, in brown suede, the pleated tails of the coat, and pauldrons.granted it's just a little larp but It's kinda cool . i've got a pile of IIIa soft inserts i've been poaching cheap off ebay.

>>64257597
>retarded and based
do it

>>64257597
That's actually not a horrible idea. Do you plan to sew the panels on the inside or use another method?

>>64257607
either make a total gambeson that splits in the center like the old interceptor vest, or fully stitch it into the jacket itself, unfortunately the two large interceptor front halfs have dissapeared from ebay, so someone sniped it

>>64257616
That's unfortunate. Realistically a duster would be the perfect host for sewn panels and could be worn outside in suitable weather / contexts without attracting too much attention.
Said duster could also be used to conceal equipment in a SHTF situation.
Me gusta.

damn we missed out

>>64257597
>is this retarded and based
Yes.

>>64257087
for you

>>64257597
Why would you need armor when you have a duster?

>Got my winter gear together and tested it all out.
>It's space suit tier movement.

I can stretch it and I've hiked in that weight before so that's fine but good GOD this would such to try and lift shit over my head in. The combo waterproof outer jacket for freezing rain and warm underlayers + the plate carrier make my shoulders do a workout when I raise my hands up above chest level.

Time to refit the vest. Again. But also Hail Alaska.

>>64260550
Your ass is heavy.

>>64257597
Retarded and based. Might have to do something like this with the london fog canvas duster i got from a thrift store. Then again the material might be too thin for it to conceal as well.

We need a /gq/ playlist.

>>64260953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4IzzPzhXI0

Put this on the playlist.

>>64261005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwgJMajHdyY

>>64260550
>winter gear
Dude it's September

>>64260953
This is one of the more "western" yugo songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_4u1NfRH2w&list=RDi_4u1NfRH2w&start_radio=1

Lets say objective lens on my argus 1431 is lose to the point where i can easily turn it with just 1 finger, is this a sign of a worn out O- ring?

Do jerven fjellduken bags exist in VARAN ukrainian camo?
I got 2 of those and im not sure if they're fake, but I've never seen fake jervens.
The reason why I'm thinking that is that the zippers suck and get stuck all the time and aren't YKK, and light passes through it, but shouldn't as it should have a metal liner inside.

Anyone knows more on the topic?

>>64262514
I checked the EAN and it checks out, all numbers are the same as the normal jerven products except the last 4 digits

I wrote jerven I expect them to answer me tomorrow

>>64261178
Would you rather I get my winter gear together last minute? Pays to plan ahead you know.

Rate my sleep system "doctrine"

Hot weather: just uniform, if chilly night just a jacket

Temperate: light woobie (helikon tex swagman roll, kifaru woobie, hpg mountain serape, jerven fjellduken lighter version, sarma tst thermal blanket) (or you can wear a lvl7 jacket + gloves + beanie + beyond insulated short pants)

Cold weather: heavier woobie ( jerven fjellduken 170g, sarma tst thermal blanket 170g)

Very cold weather: sleeping bag (carinthia defence 4, i don't know many other ones but I guess they exist)

Uber cold: (carinthia defence 4 inside a jerven/sarma 170g) (or just get a bigass sleeping bag like a carinthia def 6 or survival one)

As for water protection

-just wrap yourself in a tarp/poncho
-the jerven and sarma are waterproof so unless it's raining ALOT it should be fine if youre using those, zippers ain't waterproof tho, don't understand why they decided that way.
-get a legit bivy, although it adds bulk and weight

My personal system is:

>jerven light
>jerven heavy
>carinthia def4

I am in an eternal battle between getting modern gear or using old millserp. on the one hand, you got new, comfortable and convenient equipment. and on the other hand you have soul and gear that fits my skill level (none).

>>64252563
If you got shot like Kirk, It’s fucking over, theres nothing you can do

>>64263770
There are neck plates (Tencate / Mehler Vario make them) up to NIJ Level IV, but they're a bitch to source.
Most neck armor is IIIA, tops. A .30-06 will clear all day long. We might see a resurgence of flexible covert rifle armor in the aftermath of all this.

>>64263832
> flexible covert rifle armor
lol wut? The FRAS and Hexar stuff is 1" thick.
Does anybody make flexible rifle armor that's actually covert?

>>64263850
I was thinking more Dragonskin or more importantly Skaalar, which IIRC was thinner in some versions. FRAS is safelife and is going to run thick because of that. Hexar is just ceramic tile array but flexible backer.

>>64264061
>gets nailed by a goonerlord with a savage bolt action with a $1,400 Oneleaf thermal and a $35 DICKWHOOLER amazon bipod with jiggle physics.

>>64264080

isn't it the fate of all you faggots on /k/?

>>64264147
Just because I accept the inevitability of my fate, does not mean I am in any hurry to embrace it!

>>64264080
I can see you too, anon.

>>64264181

it's not about you you fucking faggot, compliment the guy who spend several thousand dollars on his larping attire and go back to your goon cave

What would be a good holster for a glock gen 5 with rds and tlr-1 light?

>>64252563
>get shot in the neck
Plug the hole with tight compression and lean forward like with epistaxis. Pray it doesn't bleed into your airway. Pray you have a buddy with a subepiglottic airway and bvm. Maybe you can use one of those cool inflatable TQs. Pray for amberlamps.
>how to prevent
Don't get shot in the neck

>>64264213
Do you need duty-level retention, and if so what?

>>64264201
did he pay his water bill or is he out in the woods to shit cuz his toilet dont flush? i need answers dave.

>>64264228
I don't want it to fall out, and I don't want a nigger/tranny to steal it

>>64264286
Concealed or overt?

>>64264292
Give me both

The Chinese... they have mogged us again. First they dominate the drip, now they dominate the next generation. While we let our kids steal brainrots until 2:00 am (the skibidiest hour) and force them on adderall at the age of seven to stay awake in ipad school until they bang out an SAT score of... 845, the Masters of Asia prepare them for battle. From nine in the morning to nine at night, six days a week, they train with baby platecarriers to survive the harshest conditions of the New Economy.

>>64264324
Implessive

realistically, with how heavy some guys are planning to be stacked with gear and mags, how much extra armor do you reckon it actually adds along with plates and armor backers? we've been hearing of thins happening like pic related since the first world war, and probably before, I know this is just another example of survivorship bias but it still counts, what are the odds a round hits the spine of a full stanag and they're still in the fight?
just been on my mind for a day or two.

>>64264375
Hugely dependent on type of round, velocity of round, plate / armor backer / trauma pad if present, so on and so forth.
I think it would raise v50s by an indeterminate, albeit considerable amount but nothing super definitive. If you're in Appalachia staring down the barrel of a .300 Weatherby pushing M2AP at 3,400ft/s, and all you've got are Hesco 4403s, could definitely help.
>>64264324
Highcom 10x12

>>64264387
absolutely, I'm just curious because it's the kind of scientific interest that they lost from me since highschool, would be interesting to set up a chart.
distance, round used, full or empty, angle of penetration, kinetic force, and probably added shrapnel

>>64264316
The safe recommendation for overt OWB is a Safariland 6304RDS. The 7000 series is a cost-reduced take on the same mechanisms and I wouldn't recommend it if you truly need a retention holster you can bet your life on (like if you're a cop). I have a 7377 level 1 ALS holster on my USPSA belt, and I'm not letting anybody get close to me with it on outside of competitions.

When concealed, you really only need enough retention that you can invert the holster and jump without the fully loaded gun falling out. This can be accomplished with any half-decent Kydex, and your specific comfort fit is what will land you on a particular IWB holster.

>>64264395
I would definitely wager it makes a difference, but like most things it needs more testing before conclusions. Kind of like running trauma pads behind ceramics.

Speaking of trauma pads, there was this video from two threads ago - completely unscientific - showing a GOST-5A Granit plate, with soft armor and KAP climatic trauma panel, versus an ESAPI with only soft armor against 7.62x54R LPS.
While this video does need to be taken with a grain of salt and then some - since Russia tends to underperform their propaganda, it does show that a technically inferior alumina tile array Granit plate posts significantly lower BFD courtesy of a thick trauma pad. If you reran the rest but gave the boron carbide ESAPI a KAP panel, they'd probably even out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qVAJa0RR0w
Again, this is only one test and it can't provide a definitive conclusion by itself.

>>64264425
immediate modifiers that come to mind after that post are, will the magazines work after being struck >certain caliber or shrapnel, mag composition (composite, steel, stainless steel, and aluminum), along with if the magazines are flat to the body or round facing first. really this is army science, and I sure Don't have army science money

>>64264456
All make sense. My thinking is that this will only incidentally increase v50s, since there's too many variables to conclusively say they will raise protection by this amount or this added velocity against this threat 100% of the time.
You would have to run batch tests to get reliable conclusions, which like you said cost army science money.
Similarly, I'm intrigued by the possibility of especially robust trauma pads that attach to the wear side of the platecarrier, as the Russian KAPs do instead of riding in the platebag behind the plate, being used to retrofit poorly performing armor like the RMA XRT to reduce BFD to less tenous levels or used to retrofit stronger plates, such as the Hesco 4403, to be capable of withstanding higher caliber or more energetic rounds without blowing the NIJ 44mm limit and inducing excessive behind armor blunt trauma. Adept is working on some "Ivoryguard" impact foam that I suspect is going into a perfected version of the .50 cal Colossus Heavy. I'd like to see (besides NIJ certs for at least one of their models...) how that Ivoryguard would function as a "super-KAP" 1" thick trauma pad.
https://www.ade.pt/ivoryguard/

>>64264472
honestly I should go to bed, but I'm curious how a layered non newtonian fluid between layers of kevlar mesh would work, Bruises are better than Penetrations after all

>>64264501
What you're proposing is basically a classic trauma pad (non-newtonian) and plate backer (aramid) combined into one. Not a bad idea but runs into the issue of workable thickness and heat transfer. A 0.3" design won't do much unless you run it in front of the plate for the sole purpose of retrofitted drop protection for pre-0101.06 models. I think the Russian KAPs provide a good thickness model, plus ventilation, but adding a whole inch or so to overall thickness is a hard bargain. Would be an easier sell if PSA's Sabre Lancet released, .50 BMG shitrods raced it to the bottom on price, and by 2030, we'd be concerned about protection against dollar store IRA copycats with .50 cal shitcannons. Food for thought. There aren't any reliable civ-accessible .50 cal-rated options.

>>64264533
Good discussion. I frequented an army surplus store in Fond O' Crack WI along Hwy 41 around 2016-18 and even if he said those white strike face font plates were lvl 4 and would stop a .50,I didn't believe him I wouldn't have known how to test them then.
why the fuck did he buy an Alienware laptop those things were shit.

>>64264399
I was looking into a 6354, are they good?

Just had some braum's. Tried the new special burger, with a vanilla malt, and fries. Got some milk, too. 7/10

>>64264569
Was the strike face white with black "strike face" lettering or was the plate black and the font white, saying "strike face?"

>>64264653
black with white lettering, he dealt in surplus bought in containers, even in 2015 was I not so retarded, some cop in Fondy was however.
No idea how that worked out for them.

>>64257447
You missed the boat. They were already doing this back in 2014/2015 when they were emptying their warehouses of all the early russfed/USSR era gear after how shit it performed during the initial annexation incidents. Prices for a lot of formerly rare gear plummeted and still haven't recovered. I'm talking over 50% devaluation overnight. I thought the war and sanctions making it harder to trade with russia means the gear prices would go back up, but that hasn't been the case either. I blame low demand since the usual market (airshitters) don't want current issue badguy gear.

>>64264596
cool

>>64264670
Then it sounds like bone stock SAPI plates, which aren't even Level IV (or technically III for that matter) but stop M855, M193, 7.62x51 M80, all three times. They are a far cry from .50 cal protection. Not even the white XSAPIs can.

Is an 80g/m2 2.3oz fill jerven bag too light for sleeping in 4/5C 40F?

Cause I slept in it in just uniform and a jacket and at times I was cold, so I became unhappy with the bag but maybe I was just using it incorrectly

What's your favorite eating system / mess kit as an infrantryman?

I usually just carry food that's eatable right away without cooking and then water bottles, don't even bother with a stove and gas especially if I'm not stating for a long time.

But if I were to stay for multiple days I might consider a stove just to make hot coffee. If in a snowy environment then it changes cause you'll use it to melt snow and make a hit water bottle for sleep so it becomes more than a luxury item

What foods do you advise carrying? I'm tired of rations as my armys rations are absolutely shit under all aspects, they're heavy as they're just supermarket food in a carton box, shitty snack bars and heavy metal cans, no nutritional value just sugar sugar sugar everywhere.
So I want to buy my own stuff in the future, my idea would be dried sausage (ready to eat just slice with a knife, proteins, fats, high calorie density, lasts a decent amount of time especially in the cold), cheese (same as above), and some good tasty crackers/hardtack + obv coffee.
This way I'd be actually eating some decent and healthier shit than snack bars and chocolate, bc that's all I keep from rations, the canned stuff is heavy plus it's just filler, they've got like 200kcal per 100g, the actual calories are in the junk food, they just stuffed obese shit in it until it reached the 3600 kcal line.
At least American rations are actually intended for field use and are lighter, no need to cook them, ready to eat as the name says.
This shit weighs like 2/3kg per box, got no nutrients, shit flavor, always the same contents no variation besides the tin cans which I won't carry anyway.
Bunch of guys bring ramen but that requires you to cook it so it's not good inna field already, + you get thirsty after eating bc it's salty and it's got no calories nor nutrients

BASE LAYERS FOR COLD WEATHER

I wouldn't even bother, I sweat like a nigger even in -10C if marching with plates and a backpack, even with no plates, so no real need, I'll just wear something that gives slight protection from the cold and dries quickly so synthetic and then my actual insulation will come on when I'm static.
So I'd just wear a combat shirt basically, or otherwise a synthetic shirt like under armour, or a brynje net, and a lvl5 jacket

>>64264061
based adri

What are some good tarp and poncho available on the eu market?

Should just be durable, pack small and light, not looking for excessively expensive stuff either

>>64264701
Adrian

Opinions on the savotta kantamus 60?

I got the 40L + 2x 6L side pouches as a patrol pack, but I need a big pack as I'll be shipped to a nordic cunt in the coming future and gear will get bulky.
I like the MR satl but finding one in MC is impossible and if you do uber expensive, the kantamus 60 would be the right volume and I like the design with the 40 already, but idk if it scales up properly and is still comfortable, and as a very big ruck I'd take a MR mountain ruck.
There's alot of other good rucks out there but since I got to use it with a belt kit on all those tall packs with bigass hip belts, no doubt very comfy, would be lost on me

Any Nordiggers/canadians/north usa/alpiggers guys got advice

>>64264915
It just works. You can heat it over the campfire or stove.

>>64265253
Finn conscript or volunteer?
Any advice about the backpack and sleep system stuff above?

>>64265259
Ehh, I just use what I'm issued and at home larp with old surplus. I dunno.

>>64264579
>Thigh holsters
See if a mid-ride or low-ride belt loop meets your needs, the gun will flop less.

>>64265315
I was gonna go for mid ride because of my orangutan arms

>>64263662
If your just using chest or belt rigs it really doesn't matter, when you get into armor it's worth it to go all modern
Plate carrier, placard and a 2 peice belt just work well together

ECWCS LVL6 vs beyond lvl6 goretex jacket?

I need it to be packable and light but also resistant so that it won't get ripped in vegetation and rocks

What's my best bet for prone focused rig? Local trash heap opened up a 650 yd range, No benches yet. Not sure if alice would work alright. Mainly going to be ar, ak, and bolty mags.

>>64263662
More recent MOLLE surp is light years ahead of the ALICE gear and you can attach modern things to it.

>>64265783
A 20 dollar chicom rig. You do not need specialized equipment to leisurely lay on the ground shooting paper.

>>64265881
I don't want to look trashy, plus the chicom is uncomfortable filled with mags. What else?

>>64265783
Split rig like a FLC

>>64265917
How do I make a flc look cool?

>>64265994
you travel back in time and join delta force during operation iraqi freedom
(that flc was made by paraclete and is unobtanium but you get the idea)

>>64265994
Sniper hood

>>64266105
I have a knack for finding the unobtanium. My question is: does the flc do anything alice doesn't already do better? I've seen a few kits going around for $30 with pouches.
>>64266132
Done. I even made a sniper mask out of torn up plastic and cardboard. I have to blend in an environment such as philly. .

>>64266234
Flc let's you use modern molle pouches and wears like a vest which can be a bit more stable and easier to put in than alice

>>64266255
You've sold me. Give me a few but I will share my flc loadout when it's ready. There will be a woodland and urban variants. Venture best place to find one of those rigs or elsewhere?

>>64266234
>such as philly
That's stendo glock switch, turkshitty shotgun, dirty needle with a double dose of tranq, and ARPs with 60 round schmeissers loaded with green tip country. You got armor?

>>64266275
I'm the philly trash sniper. The most effective armor in my area of operation is needle resistant arm & shin guards and a couple doses of narcan. I'm sending 69gr pills from piles of trash. My secondary is either a mp5k/glock17/mac11/10.5 depending on the day.

>>64266289
you the guy selling knockoff phillies jerseys behind Cafe Mi Quang?

>>64266301
Special price for you if you tell me the best place to source a flc. I'll tell my boys off tioga to get you a discount every so often too

>>64266234
>does the flc do anything alice doesn't already do better?
alice only works with an alice belt or compatible kit that is hard to find and simply outdated.
the standard now is molle, you can find lots of dirt cheap surplus that does the job better, you can grab the pouches and put them on a different vest or body armor or backpack if you want, you can find all types of camos, price ranges, designs.
unless you just like alice kit better for whatever reason (nostalgia/LARPing) there's no reason to not go with molle

>>64266313
can find plenty on ebay

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=flc&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313

>>64266314
Main concern was the flc being more fragile, which is probably ridiculous. Down the line I could be convinced to put soft or a slick behind it, but it's almost georgian food/pierogi season, so that's down the line for now

>>64266313
My fellow anon has already given you permission to use ebay.com. Now for my contribution I suggest you buy a Level IIA baseball cap (and then cover it in trash), a slick carrier like a Ferro Slickster, and a pair of Hesco T212s.

>>64266323
>>64266333
Bless. Will share results when completed. I might actually get a third to test adding actual ghilly too. Been a while since I did the ol' sewn & tar.

>>64266343
Excellent, philly trash sniper / aliexpress jersey dealer man.

>>64266234
>philly
The only reasonable answer to philly.

>>64266479
This is the old style. Good but there is an enhanced version out now.

does the crye avs flap work with the spc without needing anything else?

>>64266479
>>64266509
Works until a 75 year old heroin addicted man bends into a pretzel on top of you and starts turning tricks for his next dope baggie.
You need a phanatic suit and just start pelvic thrusting everyone on the street to stay in character. You could conceal a whole-ass M240 in that thing. Benjamin Franklin would be proud. The true...Philly Ghillie.

>>64266821
This is where CQC comes into play. In a pinch you can strike the fent lean and be left alone.

>>64266821
>The true...Philly Ghillie.

>>64266867
>Ey Snake... try to remembah the basics of philly CQC.

>>64264919

oy m8

/gq/ fieldtrip to philly when
>inb4 the local feds try to make us take over kensington ave

>>64257597
I actually have my own NV duster and it rocks nicely, even when it comes down to range usage thanks to the pockets having fair capacity. If anything, do it just like the Interceptor ITV collar armor and sow in secure pockets at vital points to hold the soft inserts tightly.

>>64267643
I sent a German to Kensington when he called a cheesesteak a "chilly cheesesteak." I hope he at least went "Oh mein gott"

>>64267894
I bet he did naht zee it coming

>>64265866
Based YEAH patch haver

>>64267675
I've got 1 set of a large IIIa desert colored inserts front and back, 1 set of 4xl IIIa deltoid protectors that nearly cover my entire shoulder and upper arm, couple of 6x8's, 2 6x11's that are segmented, and an honestly disappointingly sized 2 or 3 groin or butt flaps.
I've got a few Ideas, But, who the fuck in the DOD, decided ballistic underwear, groin protection and major artery protection slipped their own minds.

What's the best deal for a PVS14 gen3 these days, should I buy in parts and assemble it or is there a complete unit with a competitive price to doing that

>>64268152
steal it from an army base, although you could get shot so would not recommend

>>64263832
>>64252563
Gentlemen, might I recommend to you picrel Italian plates? They sell for 3/per on sportsman's guide, with maybe half a pound (owing to being made of rigid kevlar), and cover almost all of the neck. They're made for the Italian system so you have to rig up your own attachment points but if you don't already have the will to do that you're ngmi

>>64269342
I may or may not have totally forgotten the picture

>>64264375
Rifle rounds smoke straight through most materials, so I feel like if anything a small amount of bulk could make them worse by pre-fragmenting them.

Conversely, I feel like frag has enough saturation to not really matter if 5-10 bits get caught by magazines/backpacks.

Pistol rounds I feel, if anything, are where having more equipment can make a difference. I've heard (so take it with salt) that schizos will wear sometimes backpacks on their torsos in shootouts with cops.

I do think it'd be really interesting to test empirically what kind of protection that can grant. What about shit like football/motorcycle armor? A steel cuirass? A gambeson? Now I really wanna know.

>>64257438
>Dude Oceania is kicking Eurasia's ass
That's how you sound, nobody will win this war.

>>64264915
Okay anon

What you're going to want is a 1 QT saucepan with a metal lid. Get ramen noodles, dried rice. These are gonna be your shelf stable carbs.

Next, get quinoa, lentils, beans, peas, and edamame. These are going to be your shelf stable proteins that'll cook with the carbs.

Next, get a food dehydrator and dry shredded carrots and potatoes. Broccoli, kale, sliced bell peppers, and shredded sweet potatoes. These are going to be your veggies. Shredded (ribboned) foods have higher surface area, which'll make them dry faster and more thoroughly, as well as cook the same way.

For meats, get spam flavors for stir fries, jerky and powdered egg for heavy stews, and summer sausage (or Chinese dry sausage) for heavy stews. If you know how to render animal fat/tallow being a little as well and melt it on top when you're done cooking.

With all this, you have the capacity to make immensely nutritional, incredibly quick, extremely flexible meals with all shelf stable, lightweight ingredients. If you REALLY want to get crazy with it you can buy canned soup and use that as a base instead of water for absurd but it's easy to get sick with food that rich.

> t. stewanon

>>64269529
>Rifle rounds smoke straight through most materials
Soft armor yes, hard armor no. Anon was referring to how magazines in front of hard plates able to defeat various rifle rounds would affect performance.
Pre-fragmentation would be excellent for the armor because it disrupts the penetrator going in, leaving less "work" for the ceramic strike face to do. Since catching fragments is also the job of the plate's composite backer, that takes some load off the backer too. This depends entirely on the ammunition and armor, but is one of many reasons why I'd think the v50 would be somewhat raised. Depends entirely on the round and armor in play.
>I feel like frag has enough saturation
Depends on the threat. If it's large preformed or tungsten fragmentation from artillery shells, special grenades, or drone-carried munitions then it'll pierce most soft armor anyway.
What matters with armor is shielding the parts that cannot be attended to with available medical care.
>schizos will wear sometimes backpacks on their torsos in shootouts with cops
Usually they'll include a toilet seat cover in front of a phone book or something similar in a ridiculous ersatz attempt to emulate a ceramic-composite plate.
>>64269342
These are similar to the torso plates. 0101.03-era, made in 1999, rated to NIJ Level III. While the material is different from the PE torso plates, these will likely get creamed by M855 all the same. However, the rating is well north of virtually all pistol threats (you'd have to get real fancy with something like 5.7 SS190 out of a PS90 or 9x19mm DM91 out of a G40 or longer barrel) and you can't beat that price. Hell I'll go in for some.
>pic unrelated, some dude is selling 2018-dated Ceradyne plates meant to boost the Crye Blast Belt up to 7.62x39mm BZ API.

>>64269342
nothing some paracord and creative knotting can't fix.

>64256313
Update on the Aliexpress KAP panels. Didn't pay any import charges, so Aliexpress kept their word.

>>64269342
How are they to wear? Any problems with chafing, restricted mobility or noticeably bothersome weight?

>>64270858
NTA, but I ordered two and am going to incorporate them into my current setup. Will update how it turns out.
Also I just had a thought. Why not put these on a clamp attached to a picatinny-mounted swivel. Mount it to the nine-o-clock. Cheap gunshield that covers your left arm / torso if you're correctly-handed.
Would require some prototyping but the idea seems sound.

>>64270858
I don't have many good images of it so forgive the shitty cropping but the way I've devised to wear it is with two long strips sewn into the back (you can kinda see in the other pic) that have snap fasteners connecting to another pair on the straps of my plate carrier. The bottom of the piece sits on the lip of my plate, three velcro patches keep it from wiggling, and the two straps hold the weight up.

> chafing/mobility
It doesn't touch me and the inside of the plate has a curve, so even if I look straight down, there's no intersection. Weight is also a non-issue on account of it being an accessory to the PC.

HOWEVER, it does wiggle. I kinda half assed the attachment points and doing jumping jacks will dislodge the velcro. It hitting me in motion isn't an issue, since the concave surface means it'll be stopped my collarbone before my neck, but it does nonetheless wiggle.

>>64271109
Nevermind I just remembered I did have a good image of how it's attached

>>64271117
the king returns

>>64271117
aaaaaaand I forgot to crop it, so it's rotated. Suck my stupid baka life.
>>64271123
I'm around teehee my presence is just not often so noticable

>>64271132
damn son how do you keep your bathroom mirror that clean?

>>64271117
>>64271109
this is flc? I was on the fence on getting it for my philly trash loadout but if so I'm buying 3

>>64271264
>this is flc?
yeah

>>64271276
very full of kind I wish you much fent and happiness in the future

the city of brotherly love is here. All shall pay respect to the Philly Trash Sniper, the Phillie Ghillie, the homeless man in an FLC with eyes of "look upon ye and despair" energy, the boomer with a 48oz megajumbo monster zero, the other homeless man firing used fent needles out of a bow like he's Crackniss Everdope. All shall bow before... Philly! GO BIRDS

>>64271371
Hell yeah, GO BIRDS

Two gen 2 flc’s in woodland. Let’s go

>>64268173
Buy it from pvt dumbfuck in Killeen, TX so he can afford a date.

>>64268152
I don't any "best deals", I haven't paid attentions since getting mine a few years back. I got mine from DARQ industries (formerly goonin gear) and it's been great. check their prices and see if they're to your liking.

>>64271402
DALLAS STILL SUCKS

Is there a benefit to having suede boots or is it just for aesthetics?

>>64271874
polished leather generally lasts longer but you need to maintain it.
you don't need to maintain suede as much, but it can get stained and won't last as long.

both are fine.

>>64271710
That won't work he's being garnished for the 2008 camaro he bought at 37.99% 72 months and then totaled with no GAP insurance by driving into a police station. Santander and the police union will fuck him with a bus if he gets any kinda scratch.

>>64271920
you know, being the civillian owner of a 2011 dodge challenger in redline Tri-coat pearl, I can't remember my interest, it was probably 3%.
my coworker had a house on a pond, he Is an E5 and bought a modern Jeep Grand Cherokee.
He bought it from Carvana
the dumbass didn't notice the righthand side and left hade the lettering and badges removed
because It had been in a wreck.
anywho being a marine's grandson I make Do with what I have. I don't care about being Proud, not a lot matters vocally

>>64253614
Any MOLLE or ALICE pouch would work.

Or like otherguy said, zip ties/paracord.

>>64271892
What kind of lifespan are we talking here for suede vs leather? I've never taken care of the leather before it's always been the soles that fail first.

>>64273560
Nta but leather holds up much longer. I’ve had a beater pair that’s lasted several sole replacements. Care is minimal. Just make sure not to leave mud caked on them. Don’t leave them bent/crushed under things for long periods of time. Make sure leather doesn’t dry out. It’s easy intuitive stuff. If you want to go a level fancier start using a wax bar to help seal them

Where should I be looking for surplus single mag pouches? Not looking to exceed $8 per pouch.

>>64273729
Don’t want to do condor shit unless I have to. About to start saving Tupperware

>>64273729
ebay brother. ACU stuff is mongo cheap

>>64273856
I’ll check again after shift. Half of it was like $15 shipping but might have been searching wrong. Worst case I’m fitting mags in a saralee ham container

>>64273875
Look for batches of 5-10 magazines.

>>64273928
Will do, I think I was looking at boutique listings. Need that fresh from govplanet bag

>>64273598
Alright thanks I'm getting the leather.

I want an MSA mask

>>64275348
I want to get a C50.

>>64275348
There's a USAF version that is virtually the same thing, if it's the millennium you mean.
MCU-2/p

What’s the consensus on those triple mag pouches that come with flc? Useful or trash?

>>64275968
do they hold mags?

>>64275979
Correct but are they worth the cash or will a double provide more mileage for the price? Million dollar frugal extreme. One wrong choice will literally bankrupt me and I won’t be able to go to the casino

>>64276005
if you have them keep them. If they're the ones I'm thinking of you can put doubles on them too.

>>64276014
More like buying into. Those be the ones. Forgot to post pic earlier, my b

>>64276041
you can fit 3 double mag pouches on that

>>64276049
Just stack three more triple mag pouches on it. I bet he can get a deal if he buys a bunch.

>>64276055
I’m looking at a lot of 10 for like $8. I can also get sa80 singles for like $5 plus a helmet cover. I don’t run many mags but I could just stack them all because infinite Molle

do you guys have any go-to brands for buying everyday wear like shirts and pants that's better designed and engineered than stuff you'd get at the local clothing shop?

What sunglasses do you guys use?

Also, I'm trying to decide between polarized vs. non-polarized

>>64265049
>explain our friend group
Really gonna do me like that

>>64276295
I have 3 pair that I got on a deal off amazon for $15. They're made in China, and they block the sun.

>>64276291
I don't go out unless I'm head to toe in Rick Owens.

>>64275937
I thought it was a Navy version? I kept mine from my old job, recently scored the amp for $75.

>>64276295
Polarized prescription Gascans (inb4 fed)

Is this legit? You can get a 3 year protection plan from Allstate for $2.99.

1, 3 mag panels for $1.60 ea. let’s go. I might be able to break that record because I have another offer pending. I hope they reject it as I don’t need 20 panels. Willing to share the love if anyone needs a few

>>64278330
Based ebaymaxxer.

>>64278339
I owe my success to the anons who recommended eBay. I didn’t realize it allowed you to haggle prices. A few cents here, a few there. Suddenly have enough for a yeungling. Trash sniping will commence soon

>>64276295

Isn't polarized bad for red-dots and optics?

I know pilots don't use it since it can also fuck with being able to read flight instruments

>>64278422
Glad to help. It's definitely the negotiator's platform. Also, just for future reference, if you get anything not as described eBay has an extremely strong buyer protection policy.
If the seller's description is meaningfully inaccurate, such as condition, color, type of item, whether it works as described, etc, file an "INAD" return and make the hustler pay return shipping + refund. They can dispute the refund later but there's virtually no other platform that protects buyers from misrepresentation this well. Just don't be a dick and eBay is surprisingly a safe platform, even for high ticket items. If something is not received, file an INR return. There are other return types too, but you only get one return an item so make it count and file correctly. Do not close a return either until the issue is fully resolved.

>>64278567
Much appreciated will keep this in mind. I may take to eBay to sell a few legacy Surefire goodies there. Been a minute but I look forward to them flc’s
>>64278576
GO BIRDS

>>64278651
Make sure you document the condition of the surefires accurately so you can counter INADs and partial refund fishers.

>>64278708
That is the plan, bless. I got a 660 that is a bit rough and not sure if it’s the contacts or the tape switch. The real Creme de la creme of that lot will be the m25 mount. I’ve moved onto Midwest fsb mounts

So if any of you guys really want triple panels… I got 20 total. Other seller unexpectedly accepted my offer. I’m carrying all the mags. Now that’s a lot of sniping

>>64278920
New meta unlocked:
Put them on your back so while you are prone sniping your team can run up and resupply from the stacked mags.

>>64279020
Offset the Molle so it becomes a cloak of mags. The Molle on the front face becomes scrim attach points for trash

>>64278329
>NOT REAL!!
protection plan is good though

>>64278329
Ebay and Aliexpress are the true anarchist's marketplaces.
>>64279020
And also put them on the sides and back of your ruck so you can drop the ruck and use it as a resupply point.
Also buy the super cheap ACU bandoliers and turn then into quick reload bags you can stage at various predetermined areas.
>>64278576
You need SOV-4000 Level V Dragonskin to stop those needles. No gasoline.

>>64279717
Heat will melt the adhesive. Eventually I'll look at soft armor. I still think those triples could be made into a baller simple placard.

>>64265904
Chicom isn’t trashy it’s COMFY

>>64279861
Concur, but sad to see how much they've gone up in price. Only complaint being getting at my mags when prone. Not the most comfy. .

>>64279761
Not to sound like a doomer but I'd get armor sooner rather than later. It's something that people are trying to get banned and is now banned in NY / significantly hurdled in CT.
Good armor also doesn't really "expire" except on paper given the warranty period. You can buy it now and it'll be good to go five years down the road. The market also moves at a glacial pace so if you buy some good armor today you won't be behind the curve later on - that is unless you're buying absolute bleeding edge on the gray market.

>>64280093
Yep, I used to have an awful set of plates in a slickster but sold it. Right now it’s more a cost thing. I *could* get some decent plates but those funds would be better served elsewhere like a house payment. I think we might have talked a few threads ago about the m210’s and not-exactly lvl 4 plates. Have it on the books, but gotta swing the priorities

>>64280126
That sounds familiar. Might have been back in July. Pic rel is the Hesco guide since we were discussing the M210s. Other manufacturers are in the infographic link upthread.

>>64280177
Timing sounds about right. Bless for the info and saved for future reference. I ended up taking sabbatical from deliveries after an incident so I’m living that hustle until then

>>64280276
Based non-consoomer

Are there any handgun caliber/variations that III+ should be cautious of? Or is someone smart with a handgun just going to try to shoot where the plates aren't?

Does anyone make laser cut laminate AVS compatible platebags yet? Specifically with wing slots.

I'm perfectly happy with my AVS but I would like to try the Padded Yoke+AXL micro harness setup and while I'm at it I might as well just get new platebags because the crye ones are $394 for some reason

>>64282696
Depends on the armor material. Since there is no universal "III+" rating you have to look at it in four basic flavors.
1. Polyethylene. Very weak, SRT-level PE plates ordinarily proof to M193 and 7.62x39mm will lose to 5.7x28mm SS190, steel core, at PS90 velocity. See Buffman RMA 1003 test.
However, Buffman also tested a more competent PE plate, a "III+", to lose against 9x19mm tungsten-core DM91. Basically any tungsten core 9x19mm can challenge "III+" PE. DM91, VTUVM, Libra Snail, 7N31M, Stilletto Systems' AP 9x19mm. Also very large steel core like the VBR .44 mag Paralight is risky. Note that these are all super exotic. None of these are common CONUS or OCONUS.
2. Steel. You need speed to beat steel, and a good core if you lack the speed, and pistols are light on the former. 7N31M or Libra Snail maybe. Depends on exact plate specs. SS190 is like M855 but half the core basically, goes slower, and M855 already underperforms versus steel.
3. Ceramic-PE III+, such as LTC 23707 or Hesco 3810. You need to match M855A1 out of a handgun caliber. Probably not happening. Since handgun rounds are much less energetic than rifle rounds you cannot rely on the 2" fair hit rule either.
4. Ceramic-PE III++, LTC 19513 or Hesco 3411. You now need to significantly exceed M855A1. Probably not happening.

Besting ceramic III+ with a pistol caliber is basically a no go. There's allegedly a prototype DU version of the Libra Snail per some cartridgecollectors.org convos, but that's beyond unobtanium if it even exists. Only PE "III+" is at major risk of defeat with handgun calibers, and you still need to use exotic ammo.
As for coverage, it's moreso that armor only covers so much.

I am a complete drooling ape retard.
how do you friends mount stuff on vertical straps? Like just a simple pouch on suspenders strap that won't slide down for example. Something I don't need the loose end of the strap for to slide on, and not some shitty clip that's going to fall off the second it's jostled. I feel like this is retardedly simple but I don't know what I'm looking for.

>>64283187
duct tape, preferably green.

>>64283167
Very interesting anon, thank you.

>>64283208
Glad to help. When it ranges from IIA (I no longer exists) to "III++", material matters as much as the advertised level.
Level IV and up is 99% ceramic so material concerns aren't as severe. They still exist, such as different ceramics and quality levels, but are academic outside of technical discussions regarding crack arresting, WC-core threats, and amorphization.

>>64283187
If you're able to access the strap end, you could put on a triglide or two and weave it in. Or also what >>64283193 said.

I need pants
My favorite pair of pants is the KommandoStore M1 Gorka pants
Waist is 44, legs are 34
Any suggestions?

>>64283577
Fat

>>64283577
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075JTR46M

>>64283577
>Waist is 44
holy fuck you are literally clinically obese
>Any suggestions?
yeah lose 200lbs

New to all this. What are the poorfag plates/carriers? Also is it true that ceramic plates can actually expire? I'd rather not get steel since I am a small man

>>64283577
>>64283739
>>64283774
>44 = 112-117cm
That's not even that bad? Like maybe 120 kilos if under the belly, less if by the navel? Or are amerifat 44's different?

>>64283779
Poorfag plates:
SRT: Hesco T212 (M855A1 / M855 / M193, no .308 threats)
Level III: LTC 19513 (M855A1 / M855 / M193 / 6x 7.62x51 M80)
Level IV: Hesco 4403 (.30-06 M2AP 1x or 3x M80)
Carrier-wise depends but the JPC 2.0 is a good generalist.
>can ceramics expire
For good quality plates the warranty is just a paper label and doesn't matter. However, bad quality plates use cheap adhesive and can result in the ceramic strike face actually delaminating from the backer - in other words making the plate functionally useless. Even plates from high end mfg's like Ceradyne have done this, see the 92547.
It is essential you stick to trusted guys like LTC, Tencate, or Hesco. Hesco had four NIJ suspensions (4400, 4600, 3410, 3610) but they made good on replacements and cleaned up. Just avoid the 4800, it's underbuilt.

>>64283811
>112-117cm
Yeah that's fat anon.

>>64283829
Yeah, but it's still workable.

>>64283739
>>64283752
>>64283774
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UVBgUd9GE

>>64283842
Cardio

lmao
>>>/tv/214652131
>>>/tv/214652131
>>>/tv/214652131

>>64283891
Yeah you can't do a 3 000m cooper wearing a gas mask, but it's still workable weight.

>>64283908
Mile time?

>>64283917
That translates to ehh... 30 handegg fields in a 12 minutes.

>>64283936
based Handegg Radovan

>>64275348
>>64275937
>>64276429
Henlo fellow MSAfrens

>>64284294
man's mogging that PC

Crye Range Vest I just bought. It’s brand new too, still had the tags. Figured you guys might appreciate it.

>>64284453
rad but u shy hulud have bought holosun t shirt instead in m81 camo

>>64283811
>112-117cm
>That's not even that bad?
You're incredibly fat and your perception is warped by a lifetime of obesity and proximity to similarly obese people. I'm 6'2" 210lbs and I have a 30" waist. Your waist doesn't increase the more muscle you have either, IFBB Pro bodybuilders step on stage at 300lbs 5% bodyfat with 30"-32" waists. Stop spending money on guns or gear and buy some Ozempic and go for a walk.

>>64284462
I have some G3s in M81, does that count?

>>64284481
if it's not made by larue it's not worth your time buy a Holosun iris immediately or you aren't meta

meta meta meta this video sponsored by dogwater piss grill $25 gift card up my pooper

Anyone know if the Spiritus LV120 is going to release in tropic?

>>64284508
i used the google and it told me no

>>64284453
Wait, so its got some kinda structure to it? I always used to see these on ebay like 10 years ago for not very much, and I didnt care because I figured they were just a plain fishing vest with some molle on the outside. How rigid is it?

>>64284536
Okay, source? I looked it up and didn't get any results

>>64284558
Ya mudda

>>64284554
I’d say the rigidity is on par with a PC that doesn’t have any plates. It’s honestly a FANTASTIC vest, though the $400 price tag people want for them now is not ideal. I was lucky and got this one for $220.

The thing is LITTERED with pockets, to an insane degree that you wouldn’t even realize - it’s this layering of pockets that helps lend it some rigidity. It’s mean to be worn over a Crye combat shirt, to cover up that thin cotton section of the torso. Because of this, you’re ment to wear it tight and form fitting to the body. The back also has a pocket for a camelback bladder. Suffice to say, I’ll probably get a second one some day.

Shame the black ones were only made for the costume department on Transformers.

>>64284585
>transformers
cue the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sgycukafqQ

>>64283827
>Cyre
Wasn't there some issue with them a year or so ago? I remember seeing it on xitter but can't remember exactly. Something or other about Chinese tier quality?

>>64284826
If Crye had "Chinese tier quality" they wouldn't have contracts with literally every single special forces unit on the planet
>hurr durr turns out the literal BILLIONS of uniforms and plate carriers this company has made are actually garbage because some some fat larper made a post on twitter crying about his thing ripping

>euro noguns
>want to go back to bbwars just to be a gear queer again
talk me out of this, i dont know if i can deal with the retardation again

>>64285016
yes becase everything army buys is good quality like sig spear

>>64284463
>187.96 cm 95.25 kg 28-30", 71-76cm
>136.07 kg 32-34", 81-86cm
186cm 120kg 120-130 waist is still fit enough for service.
>buy some Ozempic
You can't just buy it, it's a prescription medicine.
>go for a walk
I don't even own a car, so I walk/bicycle everywhere already.

I use belt kit to carry my shit and don't put much on a plate carrier, but this way I can't use a hip belt when using a bigass ruck, will i just sit it on top if my belt kit?

Opinions on the sarma tst lvl5 anorak

Just got it in the mail, in the pic I'm wearing it without anything so its a bit bigger but with a pc it fits correctly

The outside material feels "lower quality" or plasticky compared to other Gucci stuff I got like arcteryx and stone glacier jackets.
But maybe it's just that the matieral is thicker to protect from wind idk.
Haven't tried it inna field yet.
My only gripe is that the elastics inside are a mess all tangled up with each other and when you tighten them they start hanging out of the jacket

>>64285080
You can do airsoft gear in a non-retarded way with stuff you can actually use outside of it. Like good quality pants that don't look too tacticool, good boots, some medical gear (take a class too!), useful backpack (again, buy something not LARP looking) etc. Then just get a cheap 20€ chest rig from AliExpress or a Type 56 Chicom to add to that when you actually play. Dumping a ton of money into gear you'll use once a month and will just look goofy having is stupid. I made the mistake of buying a ton of high-end gear as a gun-owning yuropoor and regretted it a lot. Thankfully I was able to sell most of it off (to airsoft people, lol). Owning a fucking plate carrier as a European is retarded beyond belief. Any overt kit in the EU is completely useless. If you are a somewhat serious guy, focus on clandestine like a conceal carry holster, a good belt, good EDC knife, medical, having high quality (normie looking) clothes that wont shit the bed if something goes wrong etc. And acquiring a firearm legally.

>>64285374
but anon, playing tactical barbie is half the fun (the other half being shooting at people legally).

>>64285374
>Owning a fucking plate carrier as a European is retarded beyond belief
Better to have and not need than need and not have. It is not a huge investment to get two Militech RF2 plates, or used Mehler Varios, either SK3 or SK4, and a cheap carrier.
Granted the armor market in the EU is completely terrible and most options are Chinese white-label, but that's what Militech is for. Better than usual Chinese armor for a little more than Chinese prices.
Ideally you'd want a carrier / plates you can run covert under street clothes but there aren't many persuasive options in Europe for that.

>>64285682
>Better to have and not need than need and not have
You will never wear it outside in your life and you will look like a psycho at best, terroristic threat at worst to anyone that knows you own it. Muh Ukraine is not an argument because nobody owned plate carriers there yet they now all have free ones. And the LARPer idiots that were roaming around the streets in kit in the first few days of that shit were all killed first.
>Ideally you'd want a carrier / plates you can run covert under street clothes but there aren't many persuasive options in Europe for that
PGD makes concealable IIIA + stab proof vests which is the only kind of ballistic protection I'd bother with here. Probably the same shit as chink IIIA soft armor though. I owned a full Templar's Gear CIBV with the neck protector, groin panel etc. which had 4M Tactical level 4 plates and PGD soft armor inserts, but I sold it after realizing I can't even legally carry a gun in the woods for fun, much less anything else. It was sitting in a closet and I wouldn't even use it for range trips, because why the fuck would I do that. Overt gear is a stupid concept anywhere outside of the USA.

>>64285867
>Muh optics
Same deal in the US (let's face it, platecarriers are still fringe by facebook mom group standards and the general public). Do it anyway. This is a mentality problem. Nobody is asking you to parade around town in full gear. It's a contingency.
>Muh Ukraine is not an argument because nobody owned plate carriers there yet they now all have free ones.
And the armor inside is of poor quality, especially the Russian side. Ukrainians also have poor manufacturers. Mostly C / B-grade Chinese, D-grade Hyperion at worst and at best UARM - which isn't great. Better to buy armor now that's actually good.
This is a classic case of getting something as a contingency. There's no need to blow your load like the /r/tacticalgear meme boys going into $4k credit card debt for LTC 28595s.

If you anticipate the eyebrow being raised you need to move to west virginia oblast.

Here’s something I bet nobody’s seen - and feel free to roast me for it: the 5.11 Tactical Trench Coat

It’s from a super old product line geared towards VIP protection personnel, I’d call it more of an overcoat than a trench coat imo given it’s clearly meant to be worn over a suit. It’s neat, has magazine/tool pouches on the inside that you can switch around. Inside the lining of each breast is a Velcro section to attach a holster - this concealed carry compartment can be accessed either from the velcroed opening or more covertly from the hand pockets. It also has a removable brown suede collar to fancy it up a bit.

>>64286117
Very nice. Why is it that tactical gear these days lacks specific purpose like that?

>>64286353
It's not marketable to millions of manchildren like "warbelts" and other retarded shit like that is. People that need this kind of thing just have it custom made or make it themselves.

>>64286378
This post is so gay lmao. "I'm not playing solider, I'm paying VIP protection personnel". Woah, cool bud. At the end of the day, you're still a larping loser.

>>64286390
I don't do either of those things. I don't even own any "tactical gear" besides a CCW holster.

>>64286378
What's the beef with warbelts?

>>64286660
They're a Reddit meme. I can immediately tell someone is a LARPer from having one, especially one that is loaded down with like 30 pounds of shit.

>>64286991
So what you're essentially saying is that LBE is a meme, yes?

>>64286997
I'm talking about the shitty velcro two piece belts, not LBE / MOLLE belts. Those have a place and are actually useful.

>>64269593
can you give us recipes oh based one?

>>64287010
Alright, that's a two piece belt, sometimes called a battle belt. I agree those are hinky, especially if they're overloaded and the velcro fails with jumping jacks. War belts are the fatter padded kind you can add suspenders to and create LBE. The armored versions, called "blast belts" are exceptionally useful in certain circumstances. They're usually IIIA but can be upped to 7.62x39 BZ API / M855A1 in rare instances.

>>64287014
Okay anon

Take you lentil paste and spread it out on a flat surface. Next add your crushed ramen noodles and dried rice. You’re going to want to carefully roll this and then slice it into diskettes.

Now while this is happening take your dry Chinese sause and stick it in and out of the stir fry spam repeatedly. The point of this action is to create a hole for your dry shredded carrots and potatoes. Discard the sausage for later.

Now, pack the rest with your sliced diskettes and garnish with kale. You’re going to want to bake this in the fire. I recommend a Dutch oven anything including a log will do.

Knock knock, it's the successor to the Nvg3rd digital night vision sms schizo was yapping about. This is the replacement to the replacement of the nvg30. May I introduce the... Goyojo GNG2K.
Same sensor specs as the Nvg3rd from what I can tell, but refresh rate is now 60hz over 40hz. $357.77 with import charges.

>>64287545
>Goyojo GNG2K
>Goyojo
>Goy

>>64287631
>sms schizo is mossad agent designed to psyop you from good equipment confirmed

You equip ten soldiers with digital for same price as analog mono for one man