Thread 64254764

Is the lack of emphasis on melee combat in our modern armed forces a weakness?

>>64254764 (OP)
why don't you join the army and test it yourself?

No.
You fucking retard.

>>64254764 (OP)
>he doesnt know about CQC
pathetic

>>64254805
Yes, but that's only used in emergencies and isn't given nearly as much emphasis as training for ranged combat.

>>64254810
Mostly because melee combat is so rare.

>>64254764 (OP)
When you have a metal stick that shoots bullets in your hands, the best melee combat is shooting a bullet. Next best is poking or bashing with the metal stick. Not much emphasis needed for that.

If you are in a situation where you don't have air cover, your own rifle, your own sidearm, you have royally fucked up.

>>64254764 (OP)
>tau with boots
get the fuck out of here.

>>64254886
Tbf their boots are pretty hoof-shaped.

>>64254764 (OP)
summer is over, do your homework.

>>64254764 (OP)
No.

Enganging in glorious melee combat does make sense when yiu are fighting a slow reflex cow xeno,
So you shoot at it with yiur bolter than close in for glorious melee combat

>>64255712
They're pretty mobile though, they can just shoot and scoot.

>>64254764 (OP)
>>64254891
>>64255712
>>64256199
I always see these creatures drawn as very cute and fuckable, and sometimes even being fucked. Is that cannon?
I know nothing of 40K so please, forgive me for my ignorance.

>>64256381
Well as of the latest Tau lore book, romance between humans and Tau is canon, so...yeah. They're at least somewhat pleasing to the eyes.
>inb4 "but Shadowsun is kinda wrinkly"
Because she's like 80 years old in human years, she's a very old woman. Younger Tau presumably look smooth, young, and fuckable.

>>64256381
There is literal porn of nefrons and tyranids.
Some people will fuck anything, inckuding fish faced xenos>>64256400

>>64256199
Shoot and scoot this virus bomb, lol gottem!

>>64256400
Water caste hands typed this.

>>64254764 (OP)
Melee never happens on a scale that training people to fight in it would be better than more time at the range. It's not that useful on the modern battlefield where you're gonna get hit with arty before some drone drops a frag in your lap. Still, it doesn't hurt to do some training on your own / with others since it doesn't hurt to know how to stab a dude.

>>64256607
Better to meet the Water Caste than to get Drone-Spammed by the Fire Caste.

No, the Tau are the strongest at the tactical level in game and fluff, every soldier is a sniper and they have drones for recon and aiming assistance, their only weakness is not having enough numbers.

>>64256400
>>64256429
Good to know, thanks lads!
-xenofucker/shotgun autist

Why can't you people figure out that these type of threads are made by bots?

>>64256888
Doesn't matter, Tau-posting is based.

>>64256888
I'm struggling, brother. Every thread is just so stupid I can't parse it.

The main problem the Tau face is that the average space marine has the armor of a tank and the average tau has no way to handle it. They have to rely on vehicle weapons and such.

Also it needs to be said that a heavily conditioned adult male tau has the strength of an untrained human female. They are such a weak people.

>>64254764 (OP)
meatsacks are unworthy of the blade

>>64256888
but what is the point. The current new vegas thread is the same as well. What is this shit.

short answer no
long answer no, you fucking retard.

>>64257148
>and the average tau has no way to handle it.
Pulse rifles are stronger than bolters, and they absolutely will kill a space marine. Granted, maybe not in one hit, but they don't need buttloads of them like they would with a lasgun.

>>64257325
>Pulse rifles are stronger than bolters
No they aren't.

>>64257342
They literally are though, both in-game and in-lore.

Basically, here's how it goes:
>Pulse rifles have longer range and hit harder than bolters, but can't take custom ammunition and don't have as rapid a fire rate
>Pulse carbines have equal range, fire rate, and hit harder than bolters, but still can't take custom ammunition

>even the Tau are using Multicam
Truly a grimdark future.

>>64257373
What game? The game where you literally play as a tau has the pulse rifle weak and the bolter a mini rocket launcher. It's much stronger.

>>64257411
The tabletop game. The video game presumably just makes the pulse rifle weaker to make you feel more of a sense of progression from picking up enemy weapons since it's an FPS, but the pulse rifle is ultimately the stronger gun both on the table and in the lore.

>>64257342
>>64257411
Standard bolt rifle is strength 4 AP -1, Pulse Rifle and Pulse Carbine are both S5 though with no AP. For reference, the Heavy Bolter is also S5, albeit with 2 damage and AP -1. The Pulse Blaster, which is a standard infantry weapon, is S6 AP -1. Pulse weapons are on average stronger than their equivalents

>>64257460
Also, the Tau Empire is starting manufacturing of the rail rifle, which is even more powerful than the pulse rifle and also armor piercing to boot.

Whether we'll ever see that change happen on the tabletop, well...

>>64257479
*mass manufacturing

>>64257479
>>64257484
Pathfinder teams already have the rail rifle as standard issue equipment, along with the Ion rifle which is essentially just a better plasma gun. The current iteration of the rail rifle is quite heavy and not really suited as a general infantry rifle, reflected in game with the heavy keyword and worse accuracy than the pulse rifle.

>>64257502
6th edition updated it from being heavy to being rapid-fire.

>>64254764 (OP)
Oh yea, those boxing, jujitsu, a karate lessons and sword fighting gonna be soooo handy when you got to throw hands and swing swords at with mines, fiber guided drones, artillery shells, grenades, air dropped bombs, auto cannon and machine gun fire. The skills from those will be much less useful than the strength, endurance, and speed you would get from them.

>>64257533
In current rules the rail rifle is BS 5+ with the heavy keyword. I think you maybe meant the pulse rifle.

>>64257460
Is the AP -1 or +1 S more valuable? I don't play the game.

>>64256669
They routinely get fucked on by space Marines because even with their drones and aim assist the Marines are so fast that they can install sunroofs on their heads before their targeting drones can zero in on them

>>64256381
heres official art of a tau female
ill let you decide

>>64257589
It really depends on the target. -1 AP is probably better in most cases though. Most faction's basic infantry are toughness 3, so a S4 and S5 weapon are basically equivalent against them with how the rules work.

>>64257623
She's also like 80 years old, as another guy said.

>>64257626
even the younger ones look just a strange

>>64257611
Well comparing a Fire Warrior isn't really fare against a Space Marine. There's like, a million Space Marines, but there's trillions of Fire Warriors.

A more accurate comparison would instead be Battlesuits, since those are the elite of the Tau, and those absolutely will trash Space Marines in turn since they're basically Armored Cores.

>>64257637
Yeah, id still tap that.
They just discovered fossil bacteria on Mars, so my dream of a xenowife and Browning M2s on Mars my come true yet.

Also worth considering that the Tau likely have many more battlesuits than the Imperium has space marines. Your typical Hunter Cadre (think of the Tau equivalent of an Imperial Guard regiment) has around 10% of its force composed of battlesuits. Aside from the obvious benefits of integrating your elite heavy soldiers into the existing regiments instead of having them exist as a separate organization of autonomous warrior monks, there's also the fact that, to put it simply, they would have to produce a ton of battlesuits to make such a thing feasible. Which, logically, they presumably are. A battlesuit after all is just a piece of equipment that you can stuff a veteran soldier into. A Space Marine has to basically be trained from a very young age in a process that kills like 99% of the recruits that go into it for MAXIMUM GRIMDARK.

>>64256669
Even with all their advanced technology, the Tau are still technically behind the Imperium and lack many things that Space Marines and Guardsmen take for granted.
>>64257943
This isn't remotely true. You have no idea how many Humans there are in the 40k universe and how irrelevant the Tau are in it. It is repeatedly stated that if the Imperium really wanted to, they could crush the Tau in an instant but it'd require diverting forces from a dozen other fronts and so the Imperium doesn't bother because that's how irrelevant the Tau are.

>>64257956
>It is repeatedly stated that if the Imperium really wanted to, they could crush the Tau in an instant
And this has always been Imperium cope.

The Imperium so far has wasted countless Space Marine lives, several Titan legions, and committed exterimatus on several planets using irreplaceable archeotech weaponry that they have no capacity to reproduce.

The Imperium only has a million or so Space Marines. Their Titans are even fewer. We don't even know if they have ANY other archeotech bombs like what they used to set the nebula on fire, and committing exterminatus on a planet is considered a desperate measure of last resort since you can't go and reconquer what doesn't exist anymore.

The Imperium is not treating the Tau like you would treat a minor inconvenience. They're treating them like a major threat worth dedicating considerable resources to combatting.

>>64254764 (OP)
>Tau in multicam

>>64257904
>tfw no longshank gf

>>64257987
Does camo exist in the universe or is just useless?

>>64257994
I would absolutely the cat girl and bat mouse camera girl.

>>64257996
It's used frequently by the Imperial Guard. Most space marines forego camouflage because they're retards.

>>64256429
Would you a Necron?

>>64257996
>>64258015
Space marines have always optionally used camo, it just doesn't fit their changes in marketing over the years. There's never been anything wrong with painting it on yourself.

Also these threads aren't bots, they're made by obsessives. You don't need a bot to post a barely ontopic thread every few days. You just need to really really want to post tau fanart/mossa in as many places as possible.

https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/Scyther

Inevitable.

>>64257994
cat