Thread 64266484

Regarding the bolt-action rifle we've seen on the news recently: What is the minimum amount of time required to remove the barrel of that rifle, in a manner in which it can be reassembled as it was pictured?

this is a funs question, not a political discussion

>>64266484 (OP)
>minimum amount of time
Forget time, you'd need a gunsmith with tools.

>>64266494
Humor me and assume someone has tools on them, and they've watched enough YouTube to understand the process.

>>64266545
you carry a huge vice and a receiver wrench on you?

>>64266580
ahem vise, but you get the idea

>>64266545
To install a barrel on a Mauser 1898 action you need to clamp the entire action into a vise grip and turn the barrel with a wrench that's like 3 feet long. If you want the rifle to actually work and not do things like lock up after firing or explode in your face, you also need to frequently stop and double/triple check headspace with a set of go/no-go gauges.

An experienced gunsmith working in a shop with all the right equipment, with everything more or less dropping into place with no adjustments required might accomplish this in about 30min but realistically we are looking at an hour or so.
A jabroni fucking around on a rooftop probably can't do it at all. If he somehow dragged a vise grip and barrel wrench up there it would probably take about the same timeframe assuming he's skipping the headspace checks.

The idea of this guy just spinning the barrel in by hand or with basic tools is not realistic with that design.

>>64266580
Hold the stock between your thighs?

Is it possible to remove the barrel with a spent round in the chamber? Is it possible to remove and re-install the barrel without emptying the internal magazine?

>>64266606
Assume it doesn't need to be functional upon reassembly, just in one piece. What does that change?

>>64266484 (OP)
As this is a thinly veiled political thread, I'll answer your question directly.

He didn't remove the barrel, that's no guns idiocy. Replace a barrel requires a big ass wrench and vise and needs to be done precisely.

What he likely did was disassemble it by taking the action out of the stock and assemble it when he got to the roof. Or stash it days beforehand and retrieve it before the killing. Stock was in his backpack and he stuffed the barrel down his pants. Mauser 18s can be taken apart with just two screws on the bottom. https://youtu.be/5_FyWf2xJ4o?t=443

>>64266628
My favorite thing about [CURRENT EVENT] is that it's really proven just how little people on the Internet know about guns. The amount of stupid fucks I've seen on /k/ alone has been insane.

If you prepared beforehand, you could do it in less than 10 min. You need to prepare custom wrenches to get the big torque required.
but to fire even a single accurate shot you need proper head space and zero the scope which take time

>>64266628
It's not thinly veiled shit. /k/ is the correct board to ask about weapon disassembly, no?
Your theory is demonstrably false. The method of disassembly you referenced would empty the internal magazine.

>>64266642
It's the welrod shit all over again

>>64266647
I don't know about current_event, why is it impossible to empty the mag ?

>>64266644
I'm only asking about disassembling and reassembling a rifle with a spent round in the chamber and a loaded internal magazine

>>64266661
Not at all what I said. Imagine your rifle has a spent round in the chamber and a full internal magazine. You then remove the action as you described. After replacing the action, you would need to reload 3 rounds and a casing in order for someone to find the rifle with 3 rounds and a casing in it, correct?

>>64266676
Why would it have to be loaded before and after disassembly? Just keep the rounds in your pocket and load it up before crawling out on the roof for the shot. He didn't disassemble the rifle after the shooting.

>>64266676
>Mauser 1898

>>64266484 (OP)
op image context?

>>64266704
>>64266676
*forgot the text :
Yeah to remove the action without butchering the stock you need to empty the mag

>>64266709
Aerial photo of a military base near OKC. Taken before the bombing showing an identical truck to the one used

>>64266642
no dude a 120m shot on a stationary target from a prone position is some chris kyle type shit.

just like a fuckin 30-06 "bouncing" off a kevlar vest

i hate no guns so much its unreal

>>64266745
I'd like to know where Kirk got his concealable plates with nipple cut outs from. Unfortunately said cut out introduced a structural weakness which caused it to spall, which as we know is what killed him.

>>64266647
The rifle was not disassembled after, it was found intact.

>>64266703
The rifle described is 42-44 inches long. You don't just stuff that in your pants. If someone who's 5'10 stood next to the rifle, the tip of the barrel would be around the middle of their rib cage. If that person limped past a Ring doorbell after jumping off a roof, the rifle would be clearly visible

>>64266749
Death by nipples

>>64266714
wow I wonder where they could have gotten one of those

>>64266709
same people behind this "debunked" photo of a cruise missle that never struck the Pentagon

>>64266750
Feds are claiming it was disassembled and carried into the woods, then reassembled. Except the shooter jumping off the roof isn't carrying anything.

>>64266751
The surveillance footage of him jumping off the roof appears to show the stock of the rifle shoved into a backpack with the barrel hanging out. I don't think they've said exactly where the wooded area he ditched the rifle was but from what they have said it was fairly close. They never released any other footage but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>64266771
This.
>>64266750 is gaslighting

>>64266580
Do you not?

>>64266771
I haven't actually seen this claimed anywhere, and the footage shows a backpack with a protruding object. It's pretty low resolution and shitty but you can make out the shapes if you look for them

>>64266775
From what I understand, he limped in with the rifle possibly separate from the stock... and again, possibly assembled the rifle on site. Then he jumped off the roof, dropped the rifle in the woods, wrapping it in a towel, and left the area. Allegedly something about a screwdriver too?

It all seems plausible

>>64266770
Kek imagine getting blown up by a spirt airlines cruise missile

>>64266775
Nope. The claim is that he's holding the rifle wrapped in a dark towel when he jumped. No person or outlet has suggested that he fled with it in his backpack.

>>64266786
That and it's said from eyewitness accounts (notably a video of him running across the roof shot from below) that he left almost immediately after the shot was taken. He wouldn't have had time to disassemble the rifle on the roof before fleeing.

>>64266788
That was my own interpretation from what I saw, but that also makes sense. In any case there's some sort of long object that isn't an arm or leg moving around when he drops down.

>>64266786
Nope. Impossible he brought it with him in pieces See >>64266644 and >>64266606

>>64266771
Why would you reassemble a gun before stashing it?

>>64266800
Taking a stock off takes off about a foot of the overall length, making it easier to bring in. Not talking about taking the barrel off.

I would imagine it was sporterized if it was a milsurp like mauser in 30-06

>>64266800
He didn't screw the barrel on, the claim is the stock and action were separated. On pretty much any bolt action rifle that's like two screws and although you'd want to use a torque driver, a regular screwdriver will absolutely work if you only need to take one shot.

>>64266802
You wouldn't, which is why I think it's pretty obvious he didn't. If anyone with knowledge of the investigation said he did it's more likely they either misunderstood a question or misspoke, not that there's some great conspiracy here.

>>64266805
People think this is all some conspiracy but we've only been drip fed details by nogunz nerds in the FBI/Utah PD.

I would imagine this guy is gonna fry if they have DNA

>>64266770
I wonder how many fed watch lists you get put on when you download that photo.

>>64266806
They took a picture of the gun, assembled, in a cardboard box when they found it.

>>64266606
You do not need to clamp the entire action in a vise grip and you do not need a long cheater bar. You do if you are trying to pull a barrel that has been on there for 50 years while being shot by conscripts, but the one in the pic has obviously been sporterized.

Mouser actions are quite stout and you could get by fine with shoving a hefty pry bar in between the feed rails, down in the mag. You could then spin off the barrel with a wrench well shorter than the barrel, assuming it had wrench flats milled into it which I did not see evidence of. A 12" breaker bar would do fine if the barrel had been torqued on recently by anyone competent.

>>64266745
a 120m shot is well within the standard expectations of a U.S. army soldier. meaning that anyone can manage that kind of shot with a minimum of three weeks of practice. possibly less.
and standard U.S. army soldier qualifying is with iron sights. not a scope.

>>64266745
>120m shot on a stationary target from a prone position is some chris kyle type shit
You having a b8, dude? I've dropped grazing deer from well over that distance.

>>64266802
Same reason as you're write a confession note and destroy it.
Aka the jeet is lying.

>>64266888
Even if the rifle were brand new the torque spec on a barrel like that is far too high to just unscrew it with your hands. You absolutely need tools.

>>64266880
I meant that he didn't disassemble the rifle after the shot.

>>64266897
>>64266922
autism