Thread 64270910

Will this be beneficial to Russia's anti-air capabilities? How does S-400 compare to Nato counterparts (supposedly Turkey will seek Nato AD systems after the deal is finalized)?

>https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2025/09/16/implications-of-a-russian-buyback-of-s-400-air-defenses-from-turkey/

>>64270910 (OP)
>sell them back for more than they bought them
APOLOGIZE, YOU WERE LAUGHING AT TÜRKIYE FOR BUYING THEM INSTEAD OF F-35

>>64270933
Now Turkey will have neither S-400 nor F-35
4D chess?

>>64270933
at the time i did not understand Erdogan's n-dimensional investment strategy but it's all making sense now

>>64270910 (OP)
>refuse to sell S-400s back to Russia
>get back into the F-35 program in exchange
It's a good deal; the greatest deal.

Turkey is playing interdimensional chess

>>64270910 (OP)
>seeks
so a nothingburger

>>64270910 (OP)
Pay only upon delivery with the expectation that Ukraine will destroy them in transport.

>>64270910 (OP)
>sells them back for 5 times the price
>sells them to ukraine
>Do nothing
It's going to be one of the latter two

>>64270910 (OP)
Just had a thought.
The United States was worried about the F-35 being in the hands of a state armed with S-400s.
Why was Russia never worried about the S-400's secrets being passed from the Turkish Army to the US?

>>64271732
Something something binding agreement. In reality probably because Russia might as well have had a thirty year technological gap after the fall of the Soviet Union and they've conned pretty much anyone they've sold 'high end' systems to. See: The Algerian MiG deal and the Su-35s that Iran will totally be getting any day now.

>>64270933
There are many things about which I feel justified in criticising the watermelon seller, but his business sense is not one of them

>The hairy Turkish eyebrow has been raised
I understand everything now

>>64271732
Because they knew their shit sucked ass

>>64271330
Ziggerstan just trying is already far more than a nothingburger, Vanya.

>>64271755
>and the Su-35s that Iran will totally be getting any day now.
Ahmedeini is still waiting for those sugois they'll never see, kek

>>64271772
zigguria was also trying to influence trump to force europe to reuse the nord strean 2.
and that was another nothinburger, they have a problem to differentiate future from present and their desires from reality and others' actions.

>>64270910 (OP)
Jesus they really are running low.
My vote is that Turkey takes the sale... and quietly lets the SBU know about the route.

>>64272109
Put a gps tracker in the containers, give the info to the Ukes, tap the "no refunds" sign.

>>64272129
Can you defeat the Turkish S-400 man /k/?

>>64270952
One can learn many things from the sale of watermelons

>>64271767
Moustache is truly in the coffee now and the Turkish Delights will be measured

>>64270910 (OP)
There were some reports that since they are obliged to supply S400s to India and do not really have any spare ones, they want to rebuy and transfer these turkish systems instead. In this case
> Will this be beneficial to Russia's anti-air capabilities?
Not really

With the tensions with Israel to give what is supposed to be able to shoot down the F-35 seems strange

>>64272407
>buying back from Turkey to give to India to comply with obligation

>>64270941
They are hoping they can still get the F-35 after they sell the S-400.

Denied by Puccia. Turkish officials remain silent

And didn't this happen to US before? It did and not just once

>>64270910 (OP)
If you have to buy FROM Turkey, no. The answer is always no

>>64270910 (OP)
What Forbes forgot to mention is that the only "report" about the supposed buyback cites a ukrainian blog as its primary source. Nevermind this boring piece of trivia, it's toootally Russia who is starved for AD, not the Ukraine and the west.

>>64272457
Ah, so Russia lets a couple of its refineries get blown up by airborne drones almost every other day out of the pure goodness of their hearts?

>>64272465
it's a land war, not a refinery war

>>64272457
>144 new S-400 systems produced in 4 years
>somehow still not enough to protect oil infrastructure in deep rear

>>64272467
>russia is a petrostate
>their economy is built on selling petrochemicals
>russia is also waging war (tends to cost whole lot of money)
>nooo, protecting russia's oil/gas infrastructure isn't vital
Are you naturally this retarded or do you get paid?

>>64272474
He's memeing, anon.

>>64272467
I'd like to see you fight the GDI without that sweet sweet tiberium refinery moolah.

>>64272471
Too be fair, the S-400 might not be the unit to use to dunk on derpy drones, cruise missiles, maybe, aircraft, absolutely.

>>64272484
Is of no worry, brother
Everything will be known once bike and chinese attack buggy rush reaches their harvesters

>>64272474
Most of the revenue is received from crude oil and natural gas export, not refined products. Ukies would need to fuck over extraction to affect the export revenues, but "western partners" would have a heart attack because gas might get 2-3% more expensive.

>>64272474
>>64272465
>>64272471
The Ukraine has been at this air campagin against Russian refinieries for what, 3 years now? As a result, Russian economy grew an average of 4% annually, while the Ukraine has suffered an uninterrupted string of defeats for the past 34 months. A strategy about as futile as the concept of the Ukraine itself.

>>64272512
Ukraine has been sending drones into Russia for years now but the actual sustained strategic bombing campaign (100+ drones per day, every day, targeting a retargeting critical infrastructure so that it cannot be repaired) is only a month or two old
It's actually rather stunning just how far they've come in just a few short years

>>64272512
>The Ukraine

>>64272512
>Ukraine has been at this air campagin against Russian refinieries for what, 3 years
With what? Didn't russia demilitarize ukraine?

>>64272518
Yes, 52 countries keeping them on full life support for years and the best they can manage is hitting an occasional oil refinery or two. Actually rather stunning how petty and futile that is.

>>64272526
>52 countries keeping them on full life support for years
Pretty reasonable price to pay for utter destruction of the 300 year mistake that is russia.

>>64272531
And yet somehow it's Russia who's gained in territory, population, industry, resources and size of its military. Oh well, jannies, it's time.

>>64272526
>52 countries keeping them on full life support
Sounds like BS, why would they do that?

>>64272512
Russian fuel output has fallen by at least 20% so far and they are already experiencing shortages in some areas of the country. It's only gonna get worse for you, zigger.

>>64272550
Russia has gained 1 million casualties, destroyed bomber fleet, extinct heavy armor, and a ruined economy in exchange for bombed out hamlets, mined farmland, and a constant threat of Ukraine's long-range drones and missiles.

>>64272491
Yeah that's more on the failure of systems like Pantsir and general incompetence operating their AD network.

>>64272708
>Russians have lost their entire ground forces multiple times over
That's how TZD works. You can easily check how many times units like 155th Naval Infantry had to be reconstituted due to horrific losses.
>No bombers left to lauch cruise missiles into the Ukraine daily either
Russians can launch barely 50% of what they did in 2024 and the remaining air frames are rapidly deteriorating.
>Zapad-2021 exercises
>200,000 military personnel
>Zapad-2025 exercises
>13,000 personnel
I wonder what happened to everyone, lmao.
>Russian economy has been ruined to the point
they stopped publishing even basic things like estimates of real GDP growth because "nothing to see here, comrade, everything is of fine".

>NAFO
>dilate
Go back to >>>/pol

>>64272512
German GDP also grew from 1942 to 1944 so I guess that means the war didn't affect them much and they weren't scrambling to grab and steal whatever they can by 1945.

>>64272708
>You NAFO fellas should do some relaxing too, stop hyperventilating and dilate.
>he's still buckbroken by gay cartoon dogs and trannies
It was funny 2 years ago, now its just sad

>>64271765
>no f35
>no s400
anlaşma sanatı!

>>64272772
Damn, maybe a single number (that can just be falsified if your statistics people are playing along anyway) isn't the ideal measure of economic health.

>>64271732
Turkey model

>>64272708
>Damn, Russians have lost their entire ground forces multiple times over
Pretty much, they themselves tout that they've recruited up to 500K new men into the armed forces 2023 and 2024 each. That's without the ~350-400K men mobilized during the "partial mobilization" and without PMCs and convicts.

>>64272484
Why doesn’t Russia sell all their buildings for a last ditch infantry wave? Are they stupid?

>>64272512
>Russian economy grew an average of 4% annually
A-ha-ha-ha-ha, no.

>>64272512
through massive deficit spending

sovereign wealth fund status?

>>64270933
The melon merchant strikes once more

>>64272512
>Russian economy grew an average of 4% annually

>>64272526
>no fair they're getting help
>it's petty and futile
>pls stop :(

>>64272526
>1v1 me mid lane

>>64273070
Did you see that Gazprom "conveniently" posted a massive profit this year?
Because, yeah, that's probably exactly what happened lmao
Sold some oil fields and office buildings to China for pennies on the dollar

>>64270910 (OP)
>Russia To Purchase S-400 AD Systems From Turkey

comedy gold buying s400 from ebil HATO
Pissya stronk blayt 1000 day SVO refinery go boom encirclement. Pls HATO help, tsar sad? Igor steal the fuel from my lada and now on one way trip to SVO as 'volunteer' with chechen in his ass. Hail Putin and monkeland! Goida Goida whip small tied donkeys! Gazprom bankrupt. So sad. Ebil HATO Nazis encircling the lads. One little S400 pls HATO? FSB in danger pls help this sad boyar because if only the tsar knew the ass is in the ass and the glove has been taken off and inserted in the ass up to the eggs with fully extended eyebrows!
t. Kentucky oblast where the fire justly rises against all things soon. I fear the balkinisation of my apple pie due to such things, should I buy the gun to shoot neighbour for incorrect vote? Such questions, many Americans like me must ask.

>>64272512
>Russian economy grew an average of 4% annually
lol, lmao, you don't tie your economy to china's internally traded fiat currency if things are going swell

>>64274630
>Did you see that Gazprom "conveniently" posted a massive profit this year?
Are you sure?

>>64272426
well as it obviously cant even detect the f-35, much less shoot it down, its a non issue. as iran demonstrated with israel

>>64270910 (OP)
What's the vatnig spin on having to buy your own weapons back from clients? Is this what being strong and winning a war look like?

>>64274653
Timeline's a bit off, came out early 2025, but I based that comment on this article. Worth a read.
https://carnegieendowment.org/russia-eurasia/politika/2025/05/russia-oil-gazprom-finances?lang=en

>>64272512
Germany GDP growth per year:
1939 +9.4
1940 +0.7
1941 +6.3
1942 +1.3
1943 +2.0
1944 +2.5
1945 -28.9

As you can see GDP growth number is useless metric without context.

>>64274662
>it never happened
>even if it did, they deserved it

>>64274641
But it is so it is I Ivan Ivonovitch formerly of Fat Olga cubbicle space. I am now in top secret elite 'glavset'. Here the window fully closes and there is a fuck huge picture of the big boss on the wall at the end of the room. It is known that Russia has vast and unbeatable economy due to Russian capacity for being unhappy just like 1990. These days we send the letter to the IMF saying 'Russia strong! Russia grow 4%' They open the letter read it and say "So it is!". I tell you if I had known the IMF were such a place I would have sold them many wissiles from my desk in vladivostok. Now here in St.Petersberg, I have no fish soup, no wissiles and lada gone to victory in the svo BUT I know give each potato I buy a name of a former colleage that I triumped over. Each costs three hours of making the posts in /cangen about race war and such truth.Fat Olga is in the gulag as I informed on her so the largest Potato is named 'Fat OLga Neck Lard'

Our Victory is inevitable! I have only 17492 posts to be done before shift is over. Biut I ivan Ivonovitch am on the rise. Soon the prositues and carpet but now this. If you have s400 in your garage just email me at Ivan.Ivanovitch@glvset.ru cash buyer (roubles only). Free can of oil! Be seeings you!

>>64274667
Some accounting bullshittery is definitely happening. I've seen the same shit reported in May of 2025 in Moscow Times:
>Gazprom reported a net profit of 1.22 trillion rubles ($14.9 billion), reversing a 629 billion ruble ($7 billion) loss in 2023 — its first net loss in a quarter-century and the largest in its history.

At the same time if I go to March 2025 post on Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-swings-net-loss-129-billion-under-russian-standards-2024-ifx-reports-2025-03-17/) it says:
>Russia's state-controlled gas giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM), opens new tab recorded a net loss of 1.076 trillion roubles ($12.89 billion) in 2024 under Russian accounting standards (RAS), Interfax news agency reported. In 2023 the company reported net profit of 695.6 billion roubles under RAS.

So they can't even match what happened in 2023: was it a loss of 629 billion rubles? or was there a net profit of 695 billion rubles?

>>64272512
Okay anon, gonna give you an example here.

I am a guy. I have $1,000,000 in savings. I get $1000 per month income. An even happens and I lose my $1,000,000 and go a further $9,000,000 in debt. I am $10,000,000 in debt. I however, do some budgeting and ask for a raise and now am getting $2000 per month. I can say, with objective truth, that I am getting 100% more income per month than I was before the event. I can say I am growing stronger. The fact is I am still $10m in debt.

This is Russia. Russia lost billions upon billions for this war. The fact they lost so much meant their GDP was hit hard. Therefore if your base is, lets say, 1000 and you lose 500, then gaining 5% more of 500 is easier than gaining 5% of 1000. But you can say you're growing 5% better. This does not mean you're better off than before the war.

Finally, but most importantly, every 'GDP' growth rate is based on a guess by the IMF regarding stats that are given to them by governments. So, usually, Western states give across correct (or mostly correct) stats and have a GDP growth based on that. Russia? Russia never handed over all their stats before the war and hand over even less now. Their GDP growth is based on their own guess. Essentially their own government stating they're growing. Because any independent body is unable to do a proper estimate.

>>64274706
Ha! I Russia we say, the gasprom accounts donot do the audit, the gazprom accounts audit you. Victory is certain. Please check in garage, basement and such places for S400, to help you I Ivan Ivonovitch will gladly discuss how much. Do not hesitate! If in this CIS or SVO just phone
1800-WISSILES400BUYER

>>64274706
>>64274667
Gazprom did a load of fire sales of property that they owned in order to help the debt. It's all number juggling.

>>64274706
What part of 'RAS' (Russian Accounting Standards) do you not get? Also, you're comparing two different sites with two different journalists. It did not include their subsidiaries, while the losses do.

But the important bit is you're confusing losses (money lost) and reduction in profits (lost income). In 2023 they lost 30% of their income. Which is why their losses were down $7bn. Under RAS they made a profit but it was less than they had made in 2022. They then made more money in 2024 by firing thousands of workers and getting government money.

>>64271732
>Why was Russia never worried about the S-400's secrets being passed from the Turkish Army to the US?
The only value that military equipment designed and built by the Russian Federation has is as parade pieces. Case in point, the S-400 was originally a variant of the S-300. They changed the name because more bigger number = more scary

>>64274770
>What part of 'RAS' (Russian Accounting Standards) do you not get?
In Russia the Accounting standards do not standard the accounting but stabdard you if you ask awkward question. Victory is certain. So if polonium-210 in your tea if you ask questions about accounts of gazprom. Here in Russia you do not fall out of window. Window fall out of you.

S400 wanted
Cash Buyer
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>>64272474
anon...

>>64272512
The Ukrainian drone/missile campaign is the greatest jobs program Russia has seen in decades.

Meanwhile EXXON is planning new refineries in Siberia. Gl destroying then right reaping the whirlwind ;)

>>64274803
In english this time?

>>64272512
it's 1944, all is well and beautfil in the fatherland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TitsfUIvT-M

>>64272429
>saar you must be of the complying

>>64272526
>took 53 of you to kill me so it doesn't count

>>64274811
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qlUoL-GQ-k

>>64270910 (OP)
>And now, if an unconfirmed report in Turkish media proves accurate...

Literally "it was revealed to me in a dream".

>>64274851
>webm
If that doesn't put a nice bow on the Russian condition, I don't know what would.

>>64271732
S-400 is just upgraded S-300, which USA has data on since the collapse of Soviet Union.

>>64274686
>1940 +0.7
i can see why hitler invaded france now

>>64274882
>If that doesn't put a nice bow on the Russian condition, I don't know what would.

>>64274882
>If that doesn't put a nice bow on the Russian condition, I don't know what would.
.

>>64272308
the ice cream has been flipped
the cone is inside the cone

>>64274882
>If that doesn't put a nice bow on the Russian condition, I don't know what would.

>>64270941
They're making their own F-35 which is actually the smartest thing to do.

Fuck the Kike Cheetoh.

>>64272512
>We totally didn't need those refineries anyway.

>>64272467
>it's a land war, not a refinery war
>it's a land war, not a naval war
>it's a land war, not an economic war
>it's a land war, not a strategic bomber war
>it's a land war, not a tank war
>it's a land war, not a "gain land" war

You retards are so fucking stupid.

>>64275618
it's a land war, not a list war

>>64275880
not an svo?

>>64275079
>making their own F35
Lol
I mean, don’t get me wrong, i agree domestic production is their best bet, but the’re not building anything analagous to an f35 for a very long time

>>64275024
The fez is coming off any moment now

>>64272526
As opposed to Russia who can’t even do that?

>>64274803
>Meanwhile EXXON is planning new refineries in Siberia.
I am not sure if it's gonna be a good idea to build in a country torn apart by a civil war..

>>64270910 (OP)
this is like the 546y5465345365324tgfrgnfdgns time i heard since turkey got slapped with caatsa sanctions that russia wants to buy them back

>>64270910 (OP)
>Ukies STILL didn't bomb the oil pipeline with Flamingos
They're about to lose their possibly only chance to end that war with decisive strike.
>b-but rafineries
Means jack shit. Ruskies are exporting crude oil, aren't they?

>>64276791
>Ukies STILL didn't bomb the oil pipeline with Flamingos
they're still building single digits per week aren't they? they probably want a bit of a stockpile on hand for opportunistic usage before they start hurling 2+ weeks worth of missiles out on a single night

>>64271732
who would the US even use a reverse-engineered S-400 against?

>>64270910 (OP)
nato member sells stuff to russia
how is this even allowed? also how is russian propaganda gonna spin this one? that they buy from decadent HATO to which they're at war with, and not ukraine?

>>64271732
>The United States was worried about the F-35 being in the hands of a state armed with S-400s.
Just an excuse. The real reason is that Israel opposed it.

>>64276791
>Means jack shit
Not necessarily. If gasoline production continues to go down and down at some point it will fuck over the domestic society and economy. Gasoline isn't a product like your funko pops dolls, it's a multiplier for the economy, since fuel availability and price directly affects logistics and pricing of other goods.

>>64275618
Land war? Huh. What is it good for?

>>64276791
Are you retarded? Will you suggest bombing rail track next?
They're already bombing pumping stations.

>>64276817
turkey bought them from russia years ago, this caused the usa to cancel the turkish orders for f35s and has made turkey a pariah state. Now that the israel iran war and the pakistan india war has shown russian anti air to be garbage, turkey wants to get rid of it and get back into the usa's good grace. s400s are like $600m each so they dont just want to give them back to russia, so they are selling them back instead

>>64271767
>>64272308
How many Boris Johnson's Turkish great-grandfather clones were involved in the negotiations?

>>64270933
Turkey can the funniest thing ever and sell them back broken beyond repair

>>64274667
>politika

>>64276791
>>64278033
Just a reminder that estimates are around 30% of Russia's refining capacity has been destroyed.

>>64281431
Did Gazprom post miraculous, inexplicable profits or not, retard-sama?

>>64281449
>miraculous
>inexplicable
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't trust any report described with these words, especially coming from a Russian source.

>>64280346
>Ali Kemal? Why not Ataturk?
>google the guy
What the actual fuck? Reality is bending over backwards to facilitate meme posting

>>64281463
You . . . you didn't even read the article, did you?

> Turkiyie
How did they manage to convince everybody to spell this?

Clown world.

Turkiki-what? I will call you Toucan

Hallo, Ivan Ivonovitch back again. I have made my first move in this new glavset position of great power and secrecy. I have stolen the box of paperclips from a desk in the cubicle which smells funny where they do the yellowvest protests in France and post Marianne Le Pen nudes. Nobody likes them. I told a runt form the cubicle area that reminds the Germans constanly about our enivitable victory and supports our friends in the Afd that I had heard they had been blamed for it. I just heard raised voices and established myslf by rasing my voice and telling them that the big boss would be displeased in time wasting while the boys in the SVO were dying like flies. A grim silence has come over all the cublicle spaces. For a while I stood looking angry under the massive poster of the big boss at the end of the cubicle section. Now they fear me. I must pick a canditate to inform on or some hold over them that I can use. Soon I will have both carpet and prositute. This is my time, it is finally coming, like Gazproms accounts I move closer and closer to the big boss and my own inevitable victory. I will no longer count potatos but the potatos will count me. I ate the potato I named 'Fat Tanyas Neck Lard' yesterday and have four remaining but may have to take some bolts form the cubicles to trade for a can of fish. If only I could find an S400 somewhere, anywhere. I got a message from a gropnik under codename 'Blayt1917' in the SVO who thinks he can find one but it will not be easy. I will meet one of his relatives in the stairwell of piss where the babushka prositute stays and discuss business.

Victoiry is inevitable
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>>64272512
>the Ukraine

>>64274687
>They deserved to make 4x selling your stuff back to you
kek

>>64275024
the donermaker's gloves are coming off
they will raise their unibrow, and monke will understand

>>64275079
>They're making their own F-35
Just because it looks like one doesn't mean it is one.

>>64275016
Damn, I knew Russia was having a bad time, but conscripting the tots? It must be dire.

>>64281743
Who else but to engage in (sewer) tunnel warfare?
Decadent hohols will of have 155th submarine brigade popping up in every poop hole and porta john this side of the Dnipro!

>>64281793
> brigade popping up in every poop hole and porta john this side of the Dnipro!
This anon doesn't know that xoxols have been blowing up the asses of babushkas with explosive toilets since 2022.

>>64270910 (OP)
The watermelon salesman always wins!

>>64281512
>How did they manage to convince everybody to spell this?
They didn't.

>>64275016

would be more cute if I didn't knew that there is a video out there of one those toddlers' dad giving trenchhead while some ukie vapelord steers a suicide drone up his rear end.

(very gay death)

>>64281471
Boris is the avatar of the entire NATO alliance. He carries the blood of them all, either physically or spiritually.
>>64280458
Send them back the way the US sent back that MiG in the 1970s.

>>64272491
>the S-400 might not be the unit to use to dunk on derpy drones, cruise missiles, maybe, aircraft, absolutely
Not the really small drones, but the S-400 was indeed sold as an anti-everything system with the smaller stuff being handled by Pantsir or Tor systems allocated near the batteries.
The 9M96 missile is smaller than the telephone pole AA/ABM interceptor and this was supposed to engage low flying aircraft, drones and cruise missiles. Hence why several tubes fit the hardpoint for a single 40N6/48N6.
The lack of 9M96s in the field and the fact that there's not enough Pantsirs to cover each S-400 battery really exposes the system's flaws.
>>64274691
Outstanding post

>>64276803
So they revealed their cards too soon.