Thread 64272054

Is it feasible or absolutely cursed?

>>64272054 (OP)
absolutely cursed, cod is made by people who think guns are icky

>>64272054 (OP)
>>64272060
https://youtu.be/qrAFXoYRSZ0?si=2xAUs2AzIATdzGav

i wonder why my grandps never told me about his sporterized plastic stock drum mag m1 Garand with skate tape grip

not only is that not cursed, it's not even far-fetched. you guys watch too many guntubers

>>64272054 (OP)
helluva a shotgun

>>64272054 (OP)
Oh come the fuck on

>>64272086
There is zero proof that thing actually works

A front lug to rock it in is either missing or further back than you'd want for it to be stable enough to be your handguard.
Looks pretty based otherwise.

>>64272103
Bizon and IRL PPSH mags didn't really work either

>>64272054 (OP)
no reason why it couldn't work

>>64272116
PPSH mags work okay (not great like suomi), but they're not interchangeable between guns. They were factory marked with the gun they were fitted to's serial number.

>>64272054 (OP)
If you really wanted to you could make it work, helical magazines exist and the mag well is in the right place.

>>64272054 (OP)
I kinda like it

>>64272103
Nigger its a pipe with a spiral in it, your don't have to get all insecure as if they nailed cold fusion. The Koreans clearly have some competent engineers, what with that dual-feed PKM or their ability to make shaheds without chink involvement, a helical magazine is well within their capabilities.

>>64272602
Designing a magazine that feeds reliably is the most important part of the firearm. And it's a pointed bullet. I doubt it works reliably

>>64272602
>The Koreans clearly have some competent engineers,

pretty sure those drums are chinese prototypes they were just given after china found out they dont work.

>>64272749
svol

>>64272054 (OP)
Make it chrome and put North Korean stamps on it.

for ppd, by the same guy who did all the wacky bullpups later

>>64272807
Given how iffy the quality of even the 71-round drum mags were thanks to the immaturity and niggliness of Soviet industry, there is no way in hell this would feed remotely reliably if made in the '40s.

>>64272830
and that's probably why they didn't make it
granted the soviets did have some very impressive designs during the war but made moves on very, VERY few of them because equipping a gorillion dudes with nuggets and zergrushing krauts until you win was, as it turns out, not actually a bad tactic

>>64272054 (OP)
>when the original drum mags weren't awful enough for you

I unironically love the idea of mags that are inline with the barrel and a traditional stock, I have had picrel in my brain for a while, but something like a AR-57 upper on like a fightlite scr style lower lives in my head, like I want a rifle with as little protrusions as possible

>>64272054 (OP)
But why?

>Is it feasible or absolutely cursed?
Yes.

>>64273348
This would be hilarious if it could slam-fire

>>64272642
Designing magazines for rimless bottlenecked cartridges is piss easy, especially with computers and CAD.
Anyone who says otherwise has either never tried or is an engineering pissababy or a turboboomer who doesn't even know what a computer is.

>>64272054 (OP)
There was at least one prototype helical magazine for the PPS-43, and supposedly also the PPSh-41 (though trying to find an image of it after COD is annoying).
Could certainly be done, though I assume they felt it wasn't worth the effort for the sidegrade, also the variable tolerances of the PPSh-41s magazine wells and magazines probably made it particularly less worth it.

>>64272103
It's easy to meme on the Norks, but helical magazines have been done for .22LR, 9mm Luger, 9mm Makarov, 7.62x25mm Tokarev, and Calico have at least experimented with .40 S&W and even 12-Gauge.
There's no reason it couldn't be done, but helical magazines are always a complex matter, so they may not necessarily work well.

>>64272642
Pointed doesn't have to be a problem.

The Tokerev cartridge might be a bastard to get working but it's nothing that's not been done before

>>64272060
>>64272065
You act like making horrible Frankenstein guns is somehow killing a sacred cow

>>64274409
A helical mag's spring just pushes the rounds to revolve around, and then the helical ramp redirects that circular motion to be a spiral path for the rounds, with the rounds' front and back sliding along it. In the case of feeding from a forward protruding helical mag, it's the bullet point dragging along that ramp. That's surmountable and some functional prototypes are likely, but it surely presents some additional challenge, on top of helical mags having a dubious track record otherwise.

Thinking about that, if it is a big issue, maybe the calico style rearward protruding helical magazines would make more sense for pointed bullets, rather than the bizon style forward protrusion? Then the bullet points would only be contacting the ramp in the loading process where the spring pressure can be relieved and there isn't much friction to overcome, and the feeding process under full spring pressure would slide the rear of the rounds along the ramp, not the bullet points.

>>64272054 (OP)
Both. I can't think of any reason you *couldn't* make a helical magazine that fits in a PPSh magwell. I can think of several reasons you shouldn't, but no showstopper.

>>64272054 (OP)
All things are possible to him who believeth in the Murderkube.

>>64275592
AVE NEX ALEA

>>64272749
2nd one giving off strong A280 vibes

>>64272054 (OP)
…yes.

I mean, I don’t see why you couldn’t make a helical magazine for it, but why you would escapes me.

>>64272749
those are all retarded as fuck but i love when games let you do basically whatever stupid shit you want.

>>64272054 (OP)
why just why? it already has drum mag

>>64276909
I believe there was a similar prototype attempted IRL, and the notion may have been to get high capacity but without the wide bulk of the regular drum. Possibly they also hoped to develop better and more consistent manufacturing, so that the helical mags would more freely interchange between guns, something that wasn't the case with the PPSh-41 and its drums, but was generally the case with the 35rd sticks.

There actually existed a prototype sideways drum for the PPSh-41, the notion being to retain similar capacity but to make the weapon much flatter, but obviously they never went with it.
Possibly it never really worked well, or maybe they felt it wasn't enough better that it was worth pursuing, just keep cranking out what they have tooling for and then match drums and guns as much as they can, etc.

>>64276909
The devs are jerking off to russian prototypes in this game. They have PU-21, TKB-022PM and Gepard PDW.

>>64273348
Too bad the ar57 isn't bufferless, or I would of had built one. This concept should be possible on a keltec P50 with a custom lower. Hopefully SnT will make one.