Thread 64272225

How did HK manage to con so many governments and HK paypigs that it was better than a regular AR?

>>64272225 (OP)
because short stroke > di
don't @me

>>64272234
that will be 4k + tip sir

>>64272225 (OP)
Because no ITAR and governments don't pay consumer prices.
For the consumer side of things it's just GWOT SF dickriding.

>>64272245
govt contracts are always cheaper

>>64272225 (OP)
DI is for larperator toys. Really smooth to shoot, softer recoil despite lower mass.
But if you want your warfighting weapon to work reliably in adverse conditions including your picrelated (arctic), it's gotta have a piston.

However the new Finnish NATO-compatible service rifle comes in both DI and piston variants.
Sako turned the sloppy & loose AK platform into a veritable marksman's rifle, maybe they can make a reliable DI AR too.

Because HK marketing and Yuros being biologically incapable of comprehending a self-loading rifle operating without a reciprocating piston.

>>64273382
>But if you want your warfighting weapon to work reliably in adverse conditions including your picrelated (arctic), it's gotta have a piston.

>>64273423
Look man it's not like Canada knows anything about cold weather okay

an antiquated, retarded myth that piston = moar reliable

>>64273382
>maybe they can make a reliable DI AR
I trust Sako could do it even if H&K didn't bother trying.

Fun fact, early HK416A8s had severe issues in extreme cold conditions. Everything from extreme gas system fouling to the controls freezing and even parts breaking.
Apparently because it was only tested in room temperature with civilian ammo.

But you'll buy HK anyways or you aren't a real operator.

>>64273390
the us military also switched to the piston
both the m27 and the m7 are short-stroke
it's so over for DIpoors

>>64273423
Doesn't it come down to deep cleaning the gun and using a specific lubricant for artic environments? And from there keeping it outside so it doesn't form condensate in the inner workings?

if it's so shit then why did delta force, who are infamous for ditching equipment immediately if it isn't perfect, use it for so long?

>>64273382
I live way closer to the equator why would I be in the Arctic circle during the boog

>>64273382
ARs don't jam in the arctic because of DI, they jam because of the original extractor spring assembly.

The dual-spring bolts solve the problem of cold weather extractor failure, and any piston AR which doesn't have it will jam more than a DI which does. Piston ARs will jam more in general, they're just inferior.

>>64273621
>turd worlder doesn’t understand military branches
Yeah

>>64272225 (OP)
Any recommendations for a piston AR or other rifle that doesn't cost $4000?

>>64274056
... just get a DI.

>>64274126
Ok, any specific recommendations?

>>64272225 (OP)
HK stands for hebrew kikes
>>64274151
11.5 PSA AR

>>64273905
>this fanfiction
DI is trash, every test proves this.

>>64274056
BRN-4

>>64272245
Stop being poor

>>64274210
The muhreens and the us army disagree

>>64272225 (OP)
>ARMAD Bolts
>ARMAD Barrel
>ARMAD Op Rod
>ARMAD Bolt Carrier
Shieeet I guess americans need to play catch up because 4150 and 9310, even c158+ can suck a big fat dick

>>64274685
>The muhreens
M27 - short stroke
> the us army
M7 - short stroke
stop being poor

>>64272225 (OP)
Basically wanting to buy from anyone not Americans but wanting a me too gun. Colt Canada was cleaning up but they got caught up in the Colt USA drama via name association. Always shouldve stayed dimeco imo.

>>64272234
But is it REALLY di?

>>64272225 (OP)
We switched from 11.5 Colts to 416D’s back in 2006 and the FA recoil impulse was much better on the HK (and a quick clean job only needed at the end of range day).

>>64274198
It's really nice you post your retarded opinions with the the same gif every time. It's easier to distinguish you and automatically discard whatever you say.

>>64272225 (OP)
HK could only succeed cause the original M4 is an unreliable pile of shit.
Nobody wanted an AR before HK slapped a piston on it properly.
People also do not buy it because it's an AR pattern and AR pattern is especially good. They buy it because it's HKs latest offering.

>>64272225 (OP)
>better in arctic conditions
>better for short barrels with silencers
>doesn't give its users lung cancer
Piston chads we just can't stop winning

>>64272225 (OP)
Because it's cool.

>>64277098
>gets all of his gun info from wiki

>>64272225 (OP)
because it is better

>>64274210
DI beats piston in EVERY dirt/mud test. Which is an extremely common condition on virtually every battlefield. As others have also mentioned, the gas system isnt why ARs fail in extreme cold weather.

>>64274198
>oh em gee if I post le gigasoyguy my retarded opinion will me le heckin cool and valid!

>>64272225 (OP)
>we are HK and we sell an AR
>our AR is slightly different and we all know different means better
>we are also not american #supportyourlocalbusiness
>we can produce more and faster than [smalllocalbusiness]

>>64272225 (OP)
Look up that "over the beach" video from like 20 years ago of the German guy in scuba gear testing a Colt M4 vs an HK 416.

>>64276758
Is that even true though? Or were the M4s just clapped compared to brand new 416s? and weren’t the magazines used on the M4s also clapped out pieces of shit?

>>64277140
Look at a map retard. All the countries in the Artic use piston rifles. Russia, Finland, Sweden, even Norway now.

>>64277749
>Canada doesn't exist
post guns

>>64277782
>Canada doesn't exist
A man can dream?

>>64277749
I don't know how many times you mouthbreathers have to be told that a rifle having a DI or piston system has no bearing on cold weather reliability. How the fuck would it? Do you know how guns work? Explain yourself.

>>64277749
Norway have been using the 416, 417, G36 and C7/C8 pretty much all together at some point

>>64277797
>Huh? Using the energy from the fired cartridges gas sooner results in more energy transferred than using it a foot later to blow against the bolt instead of to push a piston? No way!

>>64277881
Yeah you got no guns.

>>64277881
anon the cold weather concerns do not pertain to energy at all, it's frozen ergos...

>>64272245
>save up to
>1%
>2%
>4%

>>64272225 (OP)
Bought mossad blackmail files.

>>64272245
Why even buy these? I hear they don't even chrome line the barrels at 4k

OP sound impoverished and like he doesn't operate operationally in the field of operations with operators.

>>64279889
I got mine "used" for 1700. Thinking about turning it into a 416d though

>>64279917
Baste. What's the confirmed kill count on that weapon of war? I bought mine new, because HK needs my money.

>>64279943
200 instagram posts SIR!

>>64279840
Your other choice is SigSour.

>>64273905
Here's my piston cold soaked at -36
>they jam due to condensation in bcg mating surfaces not some extractor malarkey
>>64274056
X C R

>>64277580
Idk about your 3rd world country, but proper militaries keep track on the shot count of their rifles and perform regular maintenance.
An "armorer" isn't usually a guy who hands you a roughly rifle shaped objects and checks if you handed him a roughly rifle shaped object back, he is supposed to keep it in working order by replacing wear parts.
His job might be impossible if his job is to hand you a working M4 though. No matter the age.

>>64273314
even if they were paying 10 cents on the dollar it would be $500, they used to get M4s for like $150 a piece

>>64272225 (OP)
It. Just. Works.

>>64272245
>California 10 Round
Do Californians actually buy enough guns to justify making this cringe ass shit?

>>64276758
Calling bullshit on this one.