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Anonymous No.64277518 >>64277528 >>64277535 >>64277578 >>64277617 >>64277623 >>64277730 >>64277732 >>64277882 >>64278773 >>64278836 >>64278991 >>64280345
ITT: /k/ debates once and for all: Are they making new tank hulls?
Anonymous No.64277528 >>64278772 >>64278959
>>64277518 (OP)
tanks have been obsolete for a long time now unless you are fighting goat herders in the desert
Anonymous No.64277529
Possibly, but most likely only in low double digit range.
Anonymous No.64277535 >>64277542
>>64277518 (OP)
Hulls maybe. The rest of the tank unlikely.
Anonymous No.64277542 >>64278818 >>64278824
>>64277535
It's likely the reverse. Making new welded turrets in the T-90M specs and putting it on a T-72 hull pulled from storage is probably the ongoing process.
Anonymous No.64277546 >>64277558
hulls and rest of the parts in low hundreds per year.
Anonymous No.64277558
>>64277546
Wildly generous estimate.
If they're making new hulls, they're likely making little more than one(1) a week.
Anonymous No.64277576
Do we have any strong evidence of new hull builds? If so, in what quantity? What capability to expand/restart production exists?
Anonymous No.64277578 >>64278834
>>64277518 (OP)
The basic structure of the hull itself is trivial, they can make turrets, if they are making hulls depends if they make torsion bars, periscopes, gearbox...
It's related to the gearbox. If they are adding a reverser maybe they're making gearboxes too.
I wouldn't be surprised if they license a complete production line from a foreign country as bypass to their corruption, they did that with drones.
Anonymous No.64277600 >>64277607 >>64277686
Mendevevevev said two years ago they're making 1,500 T-90M's per year.
Anonymous No.64277607 >>64277611
>>64277600
And you believed him?
Anonymous No.64277611 >>64278768
>>64277607
Why wouldn't I believe such a respected Russian politician? They wouldn't lie, would they?
Anonymous No.64277617 >>64277635
>>64277518 (OP)
>Are they making new tank hulls?

Trying to simplify this into a "yes/no" statement shows pro-russian sentiment and will to spread propaganda - in other words, you should be killed by a gunshot to your head.

REAL ACTUAL PEOPLE talk about numbers. And to be honest, those numbers are not impressive. They can make more AT weapons and drones than the alleged "russia" can make tanks, simple as.
Anonymous No.64277623
>>64277518 (OP)
Yes, but much too slowly to keep up with attrition. They don't last long on the front, between ATGMs, drones, mines, the odd HIMARS strike...
Anonymous No.64277635
>>64277617
So... your answer is yes? Jesus, that's all I wanted to know.
It's been a matter of contention if Russia is even making new-build hulls; let alone how many if they are.
Anonymous No.64277686
>>64277600
Mongoledev is the least reliable "russian claim"
Anonymous No.64277687
they're probably making a purely ceremonial number of new hulls in artisanal fashion. But it makes more sense in every way to harvest and convert existing hulls from ancient stockpiles.
Anonymous No.64277730 >>64278908
>>64277518 (OP)
Not really. The fact that they were talking about making the infantry support core of their post war armor force 800 T-62Ms tells you everything you need to know, it is the only tank that they can get new hulls for from a outside source.
Anonymous No.64277732
>>64277518 (OP)
No. They haven't been making hulls for years. They tried with the Shartmata but ended up with less than 10. If they were making hulls we'd be seeing new tanks. Instead we see increasingly decrepit 50-70 year old crap and the occasional 40 year old T-72 with a new hat.
Anonymous No.64277781
I constantly see it discussed that they are building new hulls but have never seen any proof beyond bare hulls being worked on. No reason to believe they are genuinely building T-90s from scratch. Probably building around 200 or so a year out of existing hulls.
Anonymous No.64277882
>>64277518 (OP)
I doubt it. They had such large reserves of hulls before 2022 that it wouldn't have made economic sense to make new ones, and knowing Russia they wouldn't have kept the tooling needed to restart production in workable condition. And it's usually more difficult to restart production lines than it was to set them up the first time because the supporting infrastructure and trained workforce often aren't there anymore. Admittedly, a tank hull is basically just a welded steel box so it should be comparatively easy to start making more even if you're having to start over from scratch but Russia isn't exactly a model of competence and efficiency. They're also really bad at addressing problems before they become crises and have a stunning capacity for regression.
More than that, like most authoritarian or third world countries they prioritize propaganda value over practical concerns (to the extent that on more than one occasion they've provided the Ukrainians with detailed BDA in order to claim bridges were intact xaxaxaxa). Simply put, if they were producing new tank hulls we would have already seen video of Shoigu or Putin 'inspecting' the plant.
Anonymous No.64278768
>>64277611
thanks, anon, I needed that laugh
Anonymous No.64278772 >>64278779 >>64278897
>>64277528
>tanks have been obsolete for a long time now
Reality disagrees. So does every military on the globe.
Anonymous No.64278773 >>64278777 >>64278811
>>64277518 (OP)
They really should be
There is no reason they should not be
Even ignoring their current situation they should be
Why wouldn't they be?
Anonymous No.64278777
>>64278773
>Why wouldn't they be?
Anonymous No.64278779 >>64278788 >>64278811
>>64278772
Not here
We are retiring our bulldogs with no replacement as drones have tanks useless
Anonymous No.64278788 >>64278791 >>64278811
>>64278779
>bulldogs
There's your problem, retard. What thirdie shithole are you even from that you still had those museum pieces in service?
Anonymous No.64278791 >>64278804
>>64278788
Taiwan
Anonymous No.64278804
>>64278791
Oh, you mean the place that just bought a shitload of Abrams tanks?

Seems like your own army disagrees with you, retard.
Anonymous No.64278811
>>64278773
Because their actual manufacturing ability is far below what they thought it was at the start of 2022.

>>64278788
only 4 countries still use them

>>64278779
You aren't retiring them because of drones, the process for retirement started in 2022 and you still have M41Ds in service which are more than enough to deal with Mainland chink amphibious vehicles.
Anonymous No.64278818
>>64277542
This. They reactivated everything but the Urals and As. You would think they would be back in greater numbers than T62s. The only reason you wouldn't bring them back first would be that you are rebuilding them into something else.
Anonymous No.64278824
>>64277542
building new turrets, sticking them in old hulls
but not refurbing enough to replace losses
Anonymous No.64278834 >>64278859
>>64277578
their biggest issue is the electronics and fire control packages
sanctions prevent them from getting those items from EU countries, so they have to rely on inferior older systems or chinky chong systems of dubious quality.
Anonymous No.64278836
>>64277518 (OP)
Scooters and power armor (sheet metal squares held together by duct tape).
Anonymous No.64278859
>>64278834
>their biggest issue is the electronics and fire control packages
All the critical and hard to get electronics and actuators are in the turret.
Anonymous No.64278897 >>64279335
>>64278772
>So does every military on the globe
only competent militaries, capable of conducting combined arms warfare.
Anonymous No.64278908 >>64278954 >>64278974 >>64279220 >>64282148
>>64277730
Where are they getting new T-62 hulls from?
Anonymous No.64278954
>>64278908
LMAO
Anonymous No.64278959
>>64277528
No, dronenigger, tanks are not obsolete, and you’re not smart, sorry bud.
Anonymous No.64278974 >>64279350
>>64278908
doesn't best korea still produce them?
Anonymous No.64278991
>>64277518 (OP)
They still have thousands of T-72s in unusable condition, and it's still (slightly) easier to swap the drivetrain on a couple hundred of them a year than spin up the industry to make new hulls. The bigger problem is that they're out of everything else, so the "new" T-90Ms are *actually* T-72s with a body kit, and don't have any of the modernized sensors and communications equipment they're supposed to have. They don't even have ERA, they're just gluing on painted bricks. That's why they all get tossed by 70s RPGs.
Anonymous No.64279220 >>64279262
>>64278908
The Norks who as far as anyone can tell have produced the largest number of new hulls/turrets on earth since the fall of the USSR and are the only producer of ANY cold war era Soviet tanks left on the planet.

All that stuff about T-62s being designed to accept future upgrades indefinitely? They believed it and made it work.
Anonymous No.64279262 >>64279350
>>64279220
If they are still making new hulls are all 6 wheelers with T-72 pattern (hatches and probably some kind of composite).
Anonymous No.64279335
>>64278897
I mean, not really? Even thirdie warlord "armies" in the pits of Africa by and large damn well understand that tanks are good to have.
Anonymous No.64279350 >>64279486
>>64278974
Yes, or at least make compatible components. Basic T-62s/Chomaho are obsolete in DPRK service and mostly in reserve/infantry support roles. The 105th and it's supporting mech infantry divisions don't use them anymore, it's all Songuns, Poks ect.

They don't make stock T-62s anymore as later models are vastly improved but they have the ability, they will give Russia either refurbished T-62/Choma hulls or newly made Songun hulls which will do same thing but have survivability improvements.

>I'm looking at you T-62 drive/ammo placement. Driver on left: T-62/Chomaho, central driver: Songun or later. If Russia is smart they will swallow their pride and let the Norks show them how to fit in a non autoloading 125mm but they are probably too cheap.

>>64279262
No, they are not. All their tanks are T-62 based although at this point the last two generations (Songun and later) are their own separate thing, they are evolved enough to be on their own tech tree. The DPRK absolutely hates the T-72 design, besides some details and the 125mm gun they rejected almost everything about it and have done so since the Iran/Iraq war.

Everything they have that sort of looks like a T-72 from road wheels, driver location ect are highly altered T-62 based designs. Even things like the Koksan chassis are just highly altered and elongated T-62 based designs which is why VOGs and and even 'close' HIMARs hits bounce off of them.

>hatches and probably some kind of composite

That would be the above mentioned 'details' which if you pay attention become standard items for their entire armored fleet, a great example being the laser warning sensors that they smack onto everything they can. If they think something works they go crazy with it past the point of obsession, like the 14.5mm AA mounts and T-62 IR spotlights on anything that moves.
Anonymous No.64279399 >>64279439
>The year is 2025, as the Post-Soviet Succession Wars reach a grinding point the Russian Federation is hard pressured to build new T-90Ms, instead, they have been forced to push into service ever older weapon platforms, some of them not seen since the reign of Stalin.
Anonymous No.64279439 >>64280284
>>64279399
But what mech is my beloved Songun 915?

She might not be the best girl but she is trying REALLY, REALLY hard.
Anonymous No.64279486 >>64279490
>>64279350
>All their tanks are T-62 based although at this point the last two generations
And the T-72/T-90 that are an enlarged T-62 hull like the Koreans did 30 years later. The probable scenario is that they stopped doing those T-62 pattern chassis long ago because they upgraded the design for new tanks, all their new vehicles are 6-wheelers with T-72 spacing, and after the mid 2000s they have center driver hatch losing its last distinctive feature of the T-62.
Some T-62 hulls were converted to Koksans SPG but the rest probably got a minor upgrade of the turret/ERA.
Anonymous No.64279490
>>64279486
I forgot the pic
Anonymous No.64280284 >>64280420
>>64279439
>old-ass chassis with a shitload of random weapons and components tacked on
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Corsair_(BattleMech)
Anonymous No.64280345
>>64277518 (OP)
They always habe. From 1:2 to 1:3.
>https://notes.citeam.org/eng_t90
Norktard !5PczJ/8PMc No.64280420 >>64280435
>>64280284
Nice call, that's almost perfect. It even looks like a Songun 916 with legs.
Norktard !5PczJ/8PMc No.64280435
>>64280420
Like it's a cobbled together piece of shit but it is a heavily armed piece of shit and if you ignore it will fuck you up. Good call anon.
Anonymous No.64282148
>>64278908
>new
oh, sweaty...