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Anonymous No.64281101 [Report] >>64281105 >>64281115 >>64281135 >>64281191 >>64281326 >>64281377 >>64281382 >>64281552 >>64281571 >>64281723 >>64281954 >>64281986 >>64282385 >>64282756 >>64284297 >>64285738
the X-Wing is a bad design

>blasters 2 miles apart
>gay slow targeting computer that doesn't work
>tiny bombs

fuck off
Anonymous No.64281105 [Report]
>>64281101 (OP)
>the X-Wing is a bad design
from a movie standpoint, its perfect

>blasters 2 miles apart
the wingtip mounted guns makes it obvious where the guns are located and make them more imposing than the short stubby ones on the Y-wing and TIE fighter, so you instantly know its special compared to them
it also marks it out as a sci-fi vehicle rather than a real life one
Anonymous No.64281115 [Report] >>64281121 >>64281126 >>64281131 >>64281138 >>64281334 >>64281359 >>64281372 >>64281557 >>64281659 >>64281697 >>64282251 >>64282786 >>64282802 >>64284298 >>64284725
>>64281101 (OP)
death star status?
death star 2 status?
Anonymous No.64281121 [Report]
>>64281115
We didn't need those Death Stars
Anonymous No.64281126 [Report]
>>64281115
Death Stars were feints
Anonymous No.64281129 [Report]
Grand Moff Tarkin will simply raise his eyebrow, and the rebellion will know.
Anonymous No.64281131 [Report] >>64281160
>>64281115
Shut the fuck up Jedi-apologist, you're just mad that you couldn't afford a death star.
The empire can crank one of them out every month no problem, while the rebels resort to isis tactics, and fuck their sisters, the honorable warriors will stamp out your silly coup. You just got lucky.

Also the death stars haven't actually exploded, they just had some minor mechanical problems, nothing that a bit of welding won't fix.
Anonymous No.64281135 [Report]
>>64281101 (OP)
THREE GALACTIC WARS
Anonymous No.64281138 [Report]
>>64281115
>death star status?
>death star 2 status?
>bragging about a terrorist attack on a civilian scientific outpost
Anonymous No.64281149 [Report]
>Hoth kettle nearly completed
Anonymous No.64281151 [Report]
Void defense cuckolds allowed that terrorist Luke Skywalker to blow it up
Anonymous No.64281160 [Report] >>64281168
>>64281131
>both death stars returned to spaceport under their own power
Anonymous No.64281168 [Report] >>64281200 >>64281514 >>64282285
>>64281160
Go ahead: Post evidence that they exploded then.
>proceeds to post animated fake videos on JEDI controlled website

You're ALL controlled by the Jedi by the way! Do you know who's profiting from all those wars? The Jedi! It always have been the fucking Jedis.
They're spreading galaxohomo where they go, live in trees and wage war on peace loving citicen. It's time to ask yourself if you really want to die for the Jedi, I know I wouldn't!
t - concerned ordinary citizen, refugee from Hoth
Anonymous No.64281191 [Report] >>64281251
>>64281101 (OP)
>Friendly droid bro to fix stuff
>Plus size cockpit for massive cocks
>Not an A-wing
Anonymous No.64281200 [Report] >>64281341 >>64282285
>>64281168
this but unironically. without the judi none of the wars or terror attacks would have occurred
Anonymous No.64281251 [Report] >>64281324 >>64281329 >>64281339 >>64281360 >>64282832
>>64281191
>Not an A wing
Shove a bantha biscuit in your whore mouth, Porkins. You know why Incom made the cockpit so big? It's based on the Skyhopper cockpit. It's designed so any backwater retard can jump in and fly it. Piloting an A wing is a thinking man's game.
Anonymous No.64281324 [Report]
>>64281251
you're based
Anonymous No.64281326 [Report]
>>64281101 (OP)
The guns automatically adjust to strike targets within their field of fire.
Anonymous No.64281329 [Report] >>64281367
>>64281251
Anonymous No.64281334 [Report]
>>64281115
That shit didnt count, we let it happen to justify going into hoth
Anonymous No.64281339 [Report]
>>64281251
Backwater retards blew up deathstars with x-wings and some hick space truck held together with nigger rigging and wookie cursing
The A-wing is what you get when someone buys a 1991 MX5, an ebay turbo kit and just let them loose in an imperial shipping car park and no insurance will cover what comes next
Anonymous No.64281341 [Report]
>>64281200
That's right, spoken like a good droid for jedi.
Anonymous No.64281359 [Report]
>>64281115
Coruscant Status?
Eclipse I Status?
Eclipse II Status?
Galaxy Gun Status?
Lusankya Status?
Byss Status?
Jerec Status?
Isard Status?
Kaine Status?
Zsinj Status?
Jax Status?
Daala Status?
Anonymous No.64281360 [Report] >>64281401
>>64281251
>Piloting an A wing is a thinking man's game
Anonymous No.64281367 [Report] >>64281390 >>64281407 >>64281666 >>64281828 >>64282365
>>64281329
>2fast4u ultralight design, a cockpit with engines bolted to it
>cash strapped Rebel engineers still manage to fit a shield generator
Holy shit the Empire really doesn't give a damn about their pilots, do they?
Anonymous No.64281372 [Report]
>>64281115
last I heard the Second Death Star was heading back to port under its own power, so there

even if we lose it, it's perfectly normal to lose 2 superweapons and 1 Emperor in an insurgency; I should know, I was a lieutenant in the Imperial Artillery
Anonymous No.64281377 [Report]
>>64281101 (OP)
There seems to be something wrong with our bloody Death Stars today.
Anonymous No.64281382 [Report] >>64281394
>>64281101 (OP)
If you just wanted to have a thread why the Y-Wing is so much better why didn't you just do that OP?
Anonymous No.64281390 [Report]
>>64281367
they just print more of them
Anonymous No.64281394 [Report] >>64281403 >>64281424
>>64281382
no one likes that POS, everyone likes the Uwing
Anonymous No.64281401 [Report]
>>64281360
Yes, as in "I think I'd like to terminate my existence for being stupid enough to volunteer for A-Wing pilot duty"
Anonymous No.64281403 [Report]
>>64281394
Anonymous No.64281407 [Report]
>>64281367
Who cares when you have a population of 100 quadrillion+. Nothing Ever Happens
Anonymous No.64281424 [Report]
>>64281394
>2 lost first day of the war
>back to using stolen lambdas
pffff imperial navy have 1 mil superior LAATs in reserve
Anonymous No.64281514 [Report] >>64281563 >>64281569
>>64281168
>jedi

The fuck are you talking about, there are no jedi, that ancient religion died out a long time ago(this shit never made sense that was a single generation ago as of the start of the first movie).
Anonymous No.64281552 [Report] >>64281559
>>64281101 (OP)
Behold, Better X-wing.
Anonymous No.64281557 [Report] >>64281560 >>64284746
>>64281115
>bragging about destroying two prototype
Wow, you managed to destroy two whole death stars. Congratulations I guess. We literally didn't even need those.
Anonymous No.64281559 [Report]
>>64281552
Now with More Pixels.
Anonymous No.64281560 [Report]
>>64281557
forgot pic, but very much related.
Anonymous No.64281563 [Report] >>64281575 >>64282832 >>64283207
>>64281514
>(this shit never made sense that was a single generation ago as of the start of the first movie).
there were only 10,000 Jedi, all heads from Council to Padawans, in a galaxy of trillions if not quadrillions
there were only enough field Jedi to assign one Jedi to one galactic sector
for all intents and purposes they're as familiar to the average Galactic citizen as the Papal Nuncios. Do *you* know what that even is?

that officer could have been one of the post-Clone Wars new recruits who'd never seen Jedi in action. so far as he knows they were just spiritual advisors. about as useful as picrel
Anonymous No.64281569 [Report]
>>64281514
Space wizards will touch your penor, report them to the Empire
Anonymous No.64281571 [Report]
>>64281101 (OP)
Where are you star wars cucks coming from? Nobody cares about you fantasy goyslop.
Anonymous No.64281575 [Report] >>64281602
>>64281563
>as the Papal Nuncios
I've met my Papal Nuncio and my countries ambassador to the Vatican
but then again, I'm not average
Anonymous No.64281602 [Report] >>64281621
>>64281575
>I've met my Papal Nuncio
lol I took a gamble and lost
Anonymous No.64281621 [Report]
>>64281602
you should have known not to gamble because it's a sin
Anonymous No.64281626 [Report]
>Look up Battle of Endor on the Republic Holonet
>Ewok Victory

Do Imps really?
Anonymous No.64281659 [Report]
>>64281115
> he think a bunch of rebel could take down the death star
> he doesn't see how this was an obvious inside job
Anonymous No.64281666 [Report] >>64281701 >>64281713 >>64281869 >>64281893
>>64281367
Remnant factions later installed shields on their TIEs without issue. My personal theory is that the TIE Fighter was literally just a first testbed Sienar made to showcase the engine while leaving a lot of room for extra systems and upgrades for an eventual production model. Only for some inbred imperial admiral and a bunch of procurement pukes to go "It's perfect, can you make us a couple million? Oh, maybe make it cheaper, remove the ejection seat." Meanwhile Raith Sienar just sits there not knowing wether he should cry at them butchering his masterpiece like that, or just shrug and take all the damn money.
Anonymous No.64281697 [Report]
>>64281115
>sir, a second spaceship has entered the trench
>(it appears to be a YT-1300 light freighter)
Anonymous No.64281701 [Report]
>>64281666
I said no spoilers, Satan!!

>Meanwhile Raith Sienar just sits there not knowing wether he should cry at them butchering his masterpiece like that, or just shrug and take all the damn money
No doubt the designers of the Eurofighter Typhoon feel the same way.
Anonymous No.64281713 [Report] >>64281886 >>64282482
>>64281666
The TIE Fighter is basically 20 years old at the time of the terrorist attack on the Death Star. The X-Wings are basically state of the art. Despite this they still are shown as being able to go toe to toe with them able to outmaneuver and even shrug off occasional hits despite the lack of shields. X-Wings even with shields were barely absorbing the firepower of a TIE Fighter so makes you wonder if the shields were even a worthwhile investment in the first place?
Anonymous No.64281723 [Report]
>>64281101 (OP)
It was cool and made cool noises
Thats all that mattered
On a serious note, I wish that Star Wars was done with after Revenge of the Sith
Anonymous No.64281754 [Report] >>64281861
Do me a favor and keep this thread around for 6 or 7 hours
I have sperging to do
Anonymous No.64281828 [Report] >>64281861
>>64281367
Not just a shield generator, they managed to cram in a fucking hyperdrive while they were at it. That's honestly the more impressive part, given that only twenty years prior they still had to use external boosters for ships of that size.
Anonymous No.64281861 [Report]
>>64281754
Unless Pakistan and India get into another retarded poop throwing competition probably be around for the next 48hrs.
>>64281828
Didn't the Naboo Starfighter have a hyperdrive?
Anonymous No.64281869 [Report] >>64281893 >>64282832
>>64281666
That's almost what actually happened. Sienar came to the Space Superiority Fighter procurement program with a design that met the minimum specs and not a micron more. Hell, the regular TIEs we see are actually still an upgrade from the prototype, which was so spindly that it wasn't even able to fly in atmosphere without snapping its wings off.
In typical fashion, Sienar offered a slightly more expensive version of the fighter at the unveiling trials, which added a couple thousand credits to the price tag and a few kilos of mass to the frame to make it capable of surviving atmospheric flight. The added expense was still vastly cheaper than any other tested fighter, and Tarkin loved the idea of pilots being utterly dependant on their carriers, with no opportunities to defect.

The funny thing about the TIE line is that it actually features some really advanced technology in even the most basic model, which just isn't being exploited properly because of the spacecraft's inherently limited design. They also put remarkable amounts of effort into training their pilots, just to treat them as expendable.
Still, it's stupidly modular so they built like a million variants and nearly all of them were dogshit.
Anonymous No.64281886 [Report]
>>64281713
>X-Wings even with shields were barely absorbing the firepower of a TIE Fighter so makes you wonder if the shields were even a worthwhile investment in the first place?
Other way around.
TIE fighters were so over-gunned that only shields on X-wings allowed them to match or overmatch them in combat.
Anonymous No.64281891 [Report]
>Day 1000 of the 3-Parsec Special Military Operation to de-Separate the Outer Rim
>Acclamator and Venator classes functionally extinct, Republic Navy is forced to pull increasing numbers of Mandalorian Wars-era Hammerhead and Interdictor-class cruisers from scrapyards on Raxus Prime to make up for losses
>Republic’s flagship, the Centurion-class battlecruiser Ravager, was destroyed after the CIS successfully distracted the crew with a sign reading “Force users here, free food” and launched a proton torpedo into its exposed core
>culture of institutionalized ass rape has permeated every level of the Grand Army of the Republic, buzz droids have been recorded dropping thermal detonators on clone troopers sucking each others’ dicks at least 66 times in the last week
>it’s been a year since General Anakin Skywalker was killed when his shuttle mysteriously exploded shortly after he led the convicted rapists of the 501st Legion in a failed coup against Palpatine, claiming that he was a Sith Lord, getting to the very gates of Coruscant and completely routing Palpatine’s vaunted clone shock troopers before Jabba the Hutt negotiated a truce
>Milblogger, Republican shill, and convicted pedophile Dave Filoni was detained by clone troopers on suspicion of being a Separatist spy and subsequently gang-raped to death
>AT-TEs are regularly destroyed by Hailfire droids despite being equipped with cope force fields
>so many Borg volunteers sent to help retake Naboo oblast have been killed that the Borg Queen has ordered the survivors pulled off the frontlines (having to fight off Wookie blocking detachments who try to rape them) and sent back to the Delta Quadrant
>despite all of this, Chancellor Palpatine is confident that a complete Republic victory is a mere two parsecs away and that everyone should "trust the Grand Plan" due to flow of supplies from the UNSC to the CIS being recently slowed following the election of Lord Hood on an isolationist platform
Anonymous No.64281893 [Report] >>64281906
>>64281869
>>64281666
>Sienar is the Keltec of the Galatic Empire
Anonymous No.64281896 [Report] >>64282333 >>64285743
>Be a kid
>"wooow Sci-Fi space battles are so cool"
>Be a teenager/young adult
>"erm akshually Sci-Fi space battles are unrealistic"
>Become a decrepit boomer (>25)
>"Wooow Sci-Fi space battled are so cool"
Anonymous No.64281906 [Report] >>64282307
>>64281893
Keltec if the CEO was a close personal friend of the president and he kept buying every stupid fucking idea to come out of his coke-fuelled engineering department.
Anonymous No.64281954 [Report] >>64281966 >>64282363
>>64281101 (OP)
more like, name a single weapon that isn't bad design in star wars, the universe seems to have a serious shortage of good engineers

>at-at walkers that can't aim the guns rearward
>city sized super space battleships that go down by 1 (one) tactical starfighter kamikaze hit
>a planet sized super space fortress that gets destroyed with 1 (one) torpedo because it doesn't have funnel protection which even ww2 battleships had
Anonymous No.64281966 [Report]
>>64281954
>a planet sized super space fortress that gets destroyed with 1 (one) torpedo because it doesn't have funnel protection which even ww2 battleships had
That's because they used Ghorman Kalkite to coat the reactor lenses
Anonymous No.64281986 [Report] >>64282282
>>64281101 (OP)
Entire space fight stuff done wrong in the universe but here's a new hope.
>jammers, get within a certain distance, spread out shots means more hits
>every instance of a equal peer combatant hit just by one shot always explodes
therefore, 4 spread apart means easier hitting of said weapon, and this is a superior to peer in rear shields

it takes a jedi to get past all the electronic warfare devices to hit at long range

they're all stealth craft bozo
Anonymous No.64282251 [Report]
>>64281115
WOW you destroyed 2 Death Stars we didn't need anyway, but look at who's controlling more galactic territories. It's not a Death Stars war, retard.
Anonymous No.64282282 [Report] >>64282317
>>64281986
They can just adjust the angle of firing, anon. It's been canon since the first movies, on purpose or not, since they clearly converge at different distances depending on what's being fired at if you watch them closely.
Presumably the little bits near the "muzzle" somehow allow the targeting system to fine tune the blaster's firing direction so they can all converge on one spot.
Anonymous No.64282285 [Report] >>64282319
>>64281168
>>64281200
>giant "clone army" appears out of nowhere
>minority religious zealots assigned to have complete control of their forces
Thank fuck Palpatine shook off this coup. who knows where we'd be if we had allowed the jedi to take control of the galaxy's most powerful army.
I'm sure the "clone wars" were totally real too. What's that? You don't know anyone who was at any of the battles? that's because the clones fought them all, duh! Fucking insane that people actually fell for this shit.
Anonymous No.64282307 [Report]
>>64281906
>Keltec if the CEO was a close personal friend of the president and he kept buying every stupid fucking idea to come out of his coke-fuelled engineering department.
That wouldn't be the worse corruption this administration has done but it would probably be the most aesthetic.
Anonymous No.64282317 [Report]
>>64282282
>Presumably the little bits near the "muzzle" somehow allow the targeting system to fine tune the blaster's firing direction so they can all converge on one spot.
Since they're some sort of plasma bolt, presumably a little magnetic nudge by the dish around the firing port could give it a few degrees of aim-assist.
Anonymous No.64282319 [Report]
>>64282285
>I'm sure the "clone wars" were totally real too.
>What's that?
>You don't know anyone who was at any of the battles?
>that's because the clones fought them all, duh!
>Fucking insane that people actually fell for this shit.
They have played us for absolute fools!
Anonymous No.64282333 [Report] >>64282349 >>64282384
>>64281896
Personally i just find the dynamics of pew pew visual range direct LOS shooting to be really limited and samey when they could show way more interesting things going on. More tech means more complex problems and more creative solutions. Like mind blowing levels of missile spam, anti missile screens and close in fire concentrations, jamming forcing fighters and ship to the merge, actual lasers necessitating huge clouds of deflective chaff, weaponized hyperspace jumps, fleets exchanging fire from entire solar systems away, slinging gigantic asteroids around, etc.

Instead we got
>gravity bombs in space
>cavalry charges in space
Anonymous No.64282349 [Report] >>64282368 >>64282380 >>64282421 >>64282658
>>64282333
Star Wars' military aesthetics are fundamentally derived from WW2 footage, because that's what George grew up with
Anonymous No.64282363 [Report]
>>64281954
The Tarkin doctrine did more damage to the imperial war machine than the rebels ever did.
Anonymous No.64282365 [Report] >>64282381 >>64284320
>>64281367
1. It costs almost three times a much as the bog standard TIE.
2. The importance of shields on fighter sized craft is over emphasized as you still eat shit 9/10 times anyway. Shields don't save you, getting your wingman to get the other guy off your tail and for the price of 1 A-Wing you get almost two wingmen in TIEs.
3. X-Wing survivability seems to be largely thanks to engine redundancy, as much as if not more so than shields.
4. The Empire has 25k star destroyers, there are 72 TIEs on an ISD, that's over 1.8 million TIEs on star destroyers alone before factoring in every ground facility, space station and every other ship both smaller and larger than star destroyers.
5. You're right, the empire doesn't give a shit about people.
Anonymous No.64282368 [Report] >>64282396
>>64282349
it's also why we get dumb shit like breach-loading laser cannons with cartridge ammunition firing in broadsides
but the World War 1/2 influence on Star Wars is utterly intrinsic to the setting and cannot be removed
Anonymous No.64282380 [Report]
>>64282349
>Star Wars' military aesthetics are fundamentally derived from WW2
AS IT SHOULD

the only fly in my ointment is that Georgey opted for gay carrier fighter combat instead of objectively superior cruiser combat
Anonymous No.64282381 [Report] >>64282392
>>64282365
There's also the fact that the rebels had way less to work with, skilled pilots included, so yeah, they're going to put much more effort into protecting those pilots. Consequences of not having a galaxy sized tax base and recruiting pool to draw from, and having to do your recruiting and logistics on the down low.
Anonymous No.64282384 [Report] >>64282421
>>64282333
And there's a gorillion settings for that. Star Wars is for wizards, WW2 dogfights with lasers and space ships giving each other broadsides.
Anonymous No.64282385 [Report]
>>64281101 (OP)
>t. salty TIE fighter pilot who needs to get transported to the battlefield and who keeps losing friends because lolnoshields
Anonymous No.64282392 [Report] >>64282510
>>64282381
I have considered an additional reason for why the empire is manpower maxing. Like how an ISD has a nominal crew of 40k while it can run on a skeleton crew of 5k. The more people are employed by the empire, the fewer unemployed troublemakers there are to want change and more people invested in the empire sticking around.
Anonymous No.64282396 [Report]
>>64282368
And it's ultra based.
Anonymous No.64282421 [Report]
>>64282349
I would accept that if they were as sophisticated as WW2 air battles with ships sending their fighter swarms to close in while slugging it out from afar and maneuvering, but the actual combat is more like age of sail shit. Its just not as cool when even the dumbest viewer thinks "there is a smarter way to fight this battle".

>>64282384
Dont forget the space pirates, bounty hunters and tentacle headed whores
Anonymous No.64282482 [Report]
>>64281713
The X-Wing being able to take hits from the TIE fighter is exactly why you want shields. The X-Wings pre-battle of Yavin were very rarely given full power for weapons due to limited supplies of gas necessary for firing. The TIE's cannons were ridiculously upgunned for their role because the Imperials wanted to send a message.

If both fighters were at peak condition and had pilots of the same skill piloting them? I'd honest to god put my money to the X-Wing for its shields, though if the Imperial Pilot has a little more skill than the rebel counterpart then it would go to the TIE for its sheer manuverability and overpowered guns
Anonymous No.64282510 [Report] >>64282545
>>64282392
Nah, Empire don't give a shit about unemployment. Big crews and decentralization aboard however means that slicer attacks are less impactful, sabotage is more difficult to pull off and organising a mutiny large enough to take the ship becomes harder.
Anonymous No.64282545 [Report]
>>64282510
It also makes it harder to justify someone joining a rebellion.

You may be able to convince SOME folk regardless, especially if they've seen the Empire's ability to be shitty beyond reason, but if the average citizen is either in the military in some capacity or is related to someone who's in the military, suddenly that becomes a lot tougher of a pill to swallow when you wanna go against your boss who's making sure you can still put food on your table or your cousin who's serving on an ISD.
Anonymous No.64282658 [Report] >>64282661 >>64282713 >>64282848
>>64282349
The Death Star trench run attack is pretty much copied (down to a chunk of the dialog) from The Dambusters
Anonymous No.64282661 [Report] >>64282663 >>64282674 >>64282848
>>64282658
Yeah and when you know that the attack vector they come in on makes a lot more sense.

If you've got these targetting computers why do you need to try to force the torpedo to make a 90 degree turn to dive into the exhaust port when you could come 'diving' down from above and launch it straight in.

But when you know its Dambusters suddenly the decisions make sense from a moviemaking perspective
Anonymous No.64282663 [Report] >>64282676 >>64282832
>>64282661
It's just such a shame we can't talk about the name of Porkin's dog
Anonymous No.64282674 [Report] >>64282690 >>64282734
>>64282661
Wasn't the explanation for the trench run that it helped them to avoid areas of highly concentrated AA batteries since they couldn't depress down into the trench? Obviously there's still the plot hole of all the fighters dogfighting it out over the surface elsewhere, but you can handwave that away as the AA density being lower and higher in certain areas.
Anonymous No.64282676 [Report] >>64282691 >>64282694
>>64282663
Wait what? Is it like HP Lovecraft's cat? Is the Actor that played Porkins horrible? Or was it the person actually a part of the raid? Or the person who played that person in Dambusters?
Anonymous No.64282690 [Report] >>64282703 >>64282832 >>64282834
>>64282674
It might have been, its been too long since I've looked into that, but you're still right there. The dogfighting is cool, but its implied from my watching of the movie that the Dogfighting is happening right over the Trench, so if they've got AA defenses then clearly its not total.

Also if I remember correctly every shootdown of a Rebel fighter was due to TIEs, and they even make it a point of calling out that their fighters are too small to be hit accurately by turbolasers.
Anonymous No.64282691 [Report] >>64282710
>>64282676
Anon, it's a joke about the name of Gibson's dog
Anonymous No.64282694 [Report] >>64282710
>>64282676
Pretty sure that's just a reference to Guy Gibson
Anonymous No.64282703 [Report] >>64282727
>>64282690
I feel like the totally not flak towers did score a few kills, but maybe not on screen because someone getting blasted by them is less cinematic then a Tie saddling up on them.
Anonymous No.64282710 [Report] >>64282734
>>64282691
>>64282694
Oh. I see, thank you for that horrid little nugget of history.
Anonymous No.64282713 [Report] >>64282796 >>64282839
>>64282658
>The Death Star trench run attack is pretty much copied (down to a chunk of the dialog) from The Dambusters
I played that game so fucking much as a child.
Never did succeed in the bombing run, got damn close a few times.
Usually I was just happy I made it to the damn, I was like 12 or something.
Anonymous No.64282727 [Report]
>>64282703
They might have, I'll have to look into it later. I know the rebels didn't have a lot of fighters to send against the Death Star so the idea of the gunners (especially once Vader was up) not getting any kills makes sense. If nothing else it keeps pressure on the Rebels in a way the Empire loves to use.
Anonymous No.64282734 [Report]
>>64282674
>Obviously there's still the plot hole of all the fighters dogfighting it out over the surface
Turbolasers are intended for capital/support ships rather than fighters, hence the garrison.
They're less AA and more artillery in the form of ultra-HMG, they're a credible threat to the Falcon but not so much a fighter.

Aso, since "lasers" aren't photon based weapons travelling at light speed in Star Wars, they can't engage X-wings effectively when there are TIEs in the vicinity and the TIEs are more effective than the turbolasers so there's no reason to hold them back to clear shots for the turbolasers.

>>64282710
>Oh. I see, thank you for that horrid little nugget of history.
Not a fan of Cthulhu mythos then?
Anonymous No.64282756 [Report] >>64282776
>>64281101 (OP)
>the X-Wing is a bad design
Yet Lucas is a Bajianare
Anonymous No.64282776 [Report] >>64282841
>>64282756
>Yet Lucas is a Bajianare
wat

At the risk of getting called Reddit, that's a brand new sentence.
Anonymous No.64282786 [Report]
>>64281115
they were going to have to be demolished for asbestos contamination anyways, at least that's what i heard
Anonymous No.64282796 [Report] >>64282839
>>64282713
>"got damn close"
>not "got dam close"
ONE FUCKING JOB
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Anonymous No.64282802 [Report]
>>64281115
Ever heard of Hoth, republic shill? The rebel front is collapsing. It won't last more than two weeks. The death star wasn't trying to destroy Alderaan, it was just doing a promenade in the hopes to end the conflict peacefully. Now countless rebel lives have been lost and admiral ackbar is insisting on continuing to the last alderaanian. The terrorism at the endor production yards won't make any difference and the mon calamari should never have enabled their puppets to continue this brother war in the first place. At this moment they're starting to realize that Mon Nuland was making promises she never planned on keeping. I'm actually laughing that you think a couple of x-wings are going to make any difference against the rugged and reliable TIE series. Dejedification is inevitable. I would know, I was Naboo's chief underwater planetary defense inspector, and the hero of the battle of 69 eastings.
Anonymous No.64282832 [Report] >>64283100
>>64281251

I remember thinking that one of the A-Wing pilots was a tranny because the lighting made him look like he was wearing lipstick and he had an effeminate voice.

>>64281563

Honestly I always assumed that the 10,000 Jedi was just counting Knights and Masters and that there were several times that number of Padawans, Initiates, and janitors.

>that officer could have been one of the post-Clone Wars new recruits who'd never seen Jedi in action. so far as he knows they were just spiritual advisors. about as useful as picrel

Don’t forget 90% of them got fucking smoked with almost contemptuous ease by their clone soldiers when Order 66 was issued. That probably did a lot to dispel the mythos around Jedi as great warriors.

>>64281869

Reminder that the X-Wing was originally developed for Imperial service but then a whistleblower told InCom that they were up for the next round of purges.

>>64282690

IIRC in the Special Edition of A New Hope at least one X-Wing is clearly brought down by turbolaser fire. So it was marginally effective, but the overwhelming majority were lost to TIEs that took off on Vader’s orders

>>64282663
>It's just such a shame we can't talk about the name of Porkin's dog

>"COME HERE NERFHERDER!"
>"I SAID GET OVER HERE BOY!"
>"DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE NERFHERDER!"
>cute little black dog strolls over
>start petting
>"Ohhhh who's a good boy. So warm and fuzzy. You're such a cute nerfherder!"

JESUS CHRIST GEORGE
Anonymous No.64282834 [Report] >>64282978
>>64282690
IIRC Porkins goes down before the fighters launch so either his mechanic hated him (because of the name of his dog) or a turbolaser hit got him
Anonymous No.64282839 [Report] >>64283053
>>64282796
You missed

>>64282713
>made it to the damn
Anonymous No.64282841 [Report]
>>64282776
Bajillionare is what he was shooting for, my ESL friend.
Anonymous No.64282848 [Report]
>>64282658
>>64282661
Yep
Anonymous No.64282978 [Report]
>>64282834
So I checked, apparently his fighter took a hit from attacking a deflector tower and wasn't flying well after that, he got told to leave and like a fuckin moron, stayed and got killed.

So yeah the Turbolasers weren't useless, but hitting a damaged fighter that was difficult to control isn't exactly high praise
Anonymous No.64283053 [Report]
>>64282839
No, I saw that - I chose not to mention it because "got dam close" + "made it to the damn" would have been even better.
CorpTard No.64283091 [Report]
Honestly the empire should've just spent the money they spent on the Death Star on buying BTY-180 carriers from the Preox Morlana Authority.
Anonymous No.64283100 [Report] >>64283207
>>64282832
>That probably did a lot to dispel the mythos around Jedi as great warriors
Remembering them as autistic warrior monks who got slaughtered by regular guys probably leads to the kind of picrel.

>Yeah, they could do some bullshit but nothing that matters when you're holding an old DC-15, let alone an E-11.
Imagine the fudd-lore about Jedi.
Anonymous No.64283201 [Report] >>64284079
>RE: Shields
Shields in Star Wars have a lot less visual feedback than in, say, movie-era Star Trek, so people tend to miss them a lot. The clearest-cut example at Yavin is at about 2:15-2:20 here.
https://youtu.be/3yWrXPck6SI
And if we jump over to the prequels, we have about 2:00-2:24, where hits on the shields produce a blue sparking effect in addition to the orange-red-white explosion caused by asteroid strikes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaxI4hK45c

The shields are there, they are doing things, but nobody notices because nobody's calling out percentage numbers.
Anonymous No.64283207 [Report]
>>64281563
>>64283100
Their rep as warriors seemed well-established among the civilian population (a slave boy on tattooine knows about them and their laser swords and thinks no one can kill a jedi, every trade federation bureaucrat is terrified of them by reputation alone, they're stunlocked by sidious ordering them to kill two random jedi, and they come up with the most nonconfrontational plan possible when they have an entire army aboard their ship). Also the clones experience killing the jedi wouldn't translate to their rep in the general population because the clones were specifically separate/expendable.

The jedi myth meme is nonsense anyway. The jedi being corrupt traitors trying to take over the government was a major propaganda point in the establishment of the empire. The assassination was specifically blamed on them. And during the whole clone wars, palpatine was puffing up anakin in the media as being the only good one. In the opening of the third movie, anakin is being publicly given the credit for winning the huge battle over corsucant.
Anonymous No.64284079 [Report] >>64285217
>>64283201
If you see explosions on a ship and something doesn't fall off, you can assume the shields are working. Rebels instead renders shield hits as 'sparking' rather than outright explosions.
Anonymous No.64284170 [Report] >>64284215
well?
Anonymous No.64284215 [Report] >>64285661
>>64284170
Without a convenient Death Star placed closely nearby, a bridge hit is entirely survivable.
Anonymous No.64284225 [Report] >>64284253
x wing four gun
99% of tie fighters two gun
four bigger number than two
Anonymous No.64284253 [Report] >>64284326
>>64284225
No shields means the TIE can dump more power into engines and guns though. They fast as fuck, boi.
Anonymous No.64284275 [Report]
were a-wing pilots canonically on any drugs like death sticks or something
Anonymous No.64284297 [Report] >>64284311 >>64285257
>>64281101 (OP)
Can you even imagine what a maintenance nightmare those things must be?
Anonymous No.64284298 [Report]
>>64281115
>death star status?
Space wizard prodigy killed it and X-wings suffered same death ratio as Y-wing
>death star 2 status?
Millennium falcon killed it
Anonymous No.64284311 [Report]
>>64284297
Rebels can't afford to be picky.
Anonymous No.64284320 [Report]
>>64282365
>It costs almost three times a much as the bog standard TIE.
And did 10 times more essentially giving the rebel alliance galactic range within which to conduct operations without the need of supply lines or fleets to carry the fighter to and from battle. The X-Wing can be stationed on any planet or tiny outpost with enough range to render its operational base a mystery and packs enough punch to allow it a wide mission profile while still being of comparative capability to the TIE and even being able to hold its own against the more advanced TIE Interceptor

It's more expensive, but the price is there for a reason.
Anonymous No.64284326 [Report]
>>64284253
>No shields means the TIE can dump more power into engines and guns though.
That's not how that works, the amount of power that can be produced is always a constant, what you chose to dump it into is not. You don't want to power shields? Don't.

TIE's don't have an option because they never had shields to begin with becausetheir doctrine for engagment is wildly different.
Anonymous No.64284725 [Report]
>>64281115
Well, based on this image, it would be like being in Dallas and being able to see the skyline of Houston in detail.
Anonymous No.64284746 [Report]
>>64281557
nice try but we know what the actual prototype looks like
Anonymous No.64285217 [Report] >>64285642
>>64284079
But I think there's more nuance to it that never made it into EU canon because Lucas never wrote a setting bible. Quick points again, the Falcon's escape from the Death Star and the Queen's run on the blockade.
https://youtu.be/3_OS9nk9Lv4
https://youtu.be/gfMoXBOjWBM
In the Falcon's case, we see two cases of the ship taking damage. The first run cases a power fluctuation, while another knocks out a control surface and starts a minor fire. Yet we don't hear the "shields failing" alarm that played during the run from Tatooine. For the royal ship, one of the first shots goes right through the shields to strike a generator, but the shields continue to function for several more seconds, but fail to protect the droids on the hull of the ship.

What I'm getting at is that I think shields might be a better name than we think, with multiple projectors on gimbal mounts each forming a part of the field. Angling or "doubling" the shields, then, is turning them towards the direction of incoming fire, either because there are physical gaps in the shield wall, and/or because a single projector can burn out very quickly under fire to create said gap.
Anonymous No.64285257 [Report]
>>64284297
Unironically a big problem for the New Republic in the old EU when they had to form a proper government and defend their own worlds. The end result is they had to develop their own TIE Fighter equivalent which managed to be worse than said TIE Fighter in almost every way.
Anonymous No.64285642 [Report] >>64286280 >>64286493
>>64285217
>never made it into EU canon because Lucas never wrote a setting bible
Lucas's notorious approach to the EU was "canon? what canon? everybody does their own thing"
he just couldn't fathom the idea of a CONSISTENT shared multi-media universe

>Angling or "doubling" the shields, then, is turning them towards the direction of incoming fire
we know this from ANH where the Rebel fighters switch their deflector shields forwards or backwards to deal with trench AA or TIE fighters, respectively
> a single projector can burn out very quickly under fire to create said gap
this seems to be the consensus taken by most SW video games as well
Anonymous No.64285661 [Report]
>>64284215
>Without a convenient Death Star placed closely nearby, a bridge hit is entirely survivable.

Star Destroyers operate in and near large gravity wells. Planetary bombardment/heavy artillery support of occupation forces is what they are FOR.
Anonymous No.64285738 [Report]
>>64281101 (OP)
K
Anonymous No.64285743 [Report]
>>64281896
The pendulum swings. I'm back to watching Gilligan.
Anonymous No.64285799 [Report] >>64285812 >>64286339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01D2c9B9bc
Anonymous No.64285812 [Report]
>>64285799
nobody cares, go bump your thread on reddt
Anonymous No.64286280 [Report] >>64286556 >>64286670
>>64285642
>he just couldn't fathom the idea of a CONSISTENT shared multi-media universe
He could. He just defined consistent as "what i write".
And to be fair, if you wrote a series and then a bunch of other people wrote parts of it, some of it wildly contradicting your plans and ideas, wouldn't you pull rank sometimes as well?
Especially some of the stupid shit people were putting in, I'm surprised he was so chill about it.
Anonymous No.64286339 [Report]
>>64285799
Gave me a chuckle
Anonymous No.64286493 [Report] >>64286555 >>64286670
>>64285642
>this seems to be the consensus taken by most SW video games as well
I don't quite agree. It's a little too Star Trekky for me, and I largely blame it on the earliest iterations of gamifying starfighters being based on Star Fleet Battles. It's too consistent, with a whole arc covered until all shielding covering it fails, instead of a bunch of bespoke shields, with each individual failure increasing the risk of something just bypassing them wholesale.

>Lucas's notorious approach to the EU was "canon? what canon? everybody does their own thing"
I think a lot of that comes down to Empire. If you go back to his original interviews in the late 70s, he was talking something like 12 films, but he'd only direct the first and last, and let his buddies each take on one of the others. But then Empire made him realize that he was never going to be happy with a project if he didn't do it himself, because nobody else had his particular flavor of autism. Therefore, he chose to just largely stay hands-off the EU rather than also make himself the chief editor of every single book.
Anonymous No.64286555 [Report]
>>64286493
I still remember that he wanted David Lynch to direct Return of the Jedi
Anonymous No.64286556 [Report]
>>64286280
Lucas did eventually go with a tiered canon approach. A thing was canon unless media from a higher tier contradicted it, with the movies being on top of the pyramid.
Anonymous No.64286670 [Report] >>64286788
>>64286280
>He just defined consistent as "what i write"
that's the point
he let everyone run wild on whatever he didn't personally touch, which is what causes the EU wackiness
>contradicting your plans and ideas, wouldn't you pull rank
the issue is not EU writers contradicting Lucas, on which he was clear; the issue is EU writers contradicting each other
>I'm surprised he was so chill about it
because he didn't give a damn
that's how uber autists like fucking Filoni get away with running roughshod over other EU contributors

>>64286493
>whole arc covered until all shielding covering it fails, instead of a bunch of bespoke shields, with each individual failure increasing the risk of something just bypassing them wholesale
that's far too granular for most systems to handle
can you imagine for example Warcraft 3 trying to implement that?
>e.g. if say Head, Torso, Buckler, Arms and Legs are 5 different hit locations
you've multiplied health tracking for each unit by x5
most PCs of the era would go nuts trying to track, e.g., separate health and shield bars for up to 1000 to 4000 units across a multiplayer map, not to mention mana bars
as is, the shield mechanics in e.g. Galactic Battlegrounds and Empire At War is good enough to approximate SW hardware
Anonymous No.64286788 [Report]
>>64286670
>as is, the shield mechanics in e.g. Galactic Battlegrounds and Empire At War is good enough to approximate SW hardware
I disagree, I think that they are losing something substantial in the translation, but I admit that that's a very personal bugbear. It's a system that's tailor made for film, letting you scale the drama as needed, because shields are mostly reliable until you start taking serious fire, but there's always that slip-through risk, and you can pawn off the deep technical simulation in favor of "we're fine as long as they don't get a lucky hit", "oh fuck we ate a lucky hit" and "ohshitohfuck the shields are failing", while also creating space for concentrated fire on a single location to overwhelm all the projectors capable of covering it, AND for overwhelming shields by spreading out angles of fire, negating redundancy by forcing the shields to be spread thin instead of layered over top of each other. It gives a great deal of freedom in a dramatic sense for why shields are or aren't effectively defending the ship in any given instance. The cost, as you say, being that it would be an absolute pain in the ass to make a hard simulation of.