Thread 64287143

Obviously nobody in the most cucked areas will have anything aside from homeboys with Dracos and giggleglocks. But it's reasonable that ARs would be widespread, boomer retirement communities would have 1911s and Garands, rural areas have deer rifles and shotguns etc. Would different camo patterns be more popular in certain areas (northern temperate forest vs. southeast wetlands)? Would individual manufacturers supply a local security force, turning even blue shitholes like Hartford and New Haven into fortified strongholds? And what would even happen with Florida?

There's a lot of people that bought shitty armor, gear, digital NV, chinese red dots, somogear lasers, and other cheapo items which will, hypothetically, regret getting advice from reddit.
In other words a reckoning of what's really good and what's not.

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>>64287143 (OP)
I wouldn't be surprised if there really isn't much reigonal specialization outside of camos and even then it wouldn't shock me if most people just run with M81 or multicam due to its availability. Yeah you'd see some specialized pockets but they'd mostly form not from a natural convergence but from groups specifically picking a pattern or gear load out to make identification easier. Overall though it'd just be a mess of cheap guns and knock off camo outfits with a handful of actually geared individuals (both with genuine stuff and aliexpress special kits). As for MFGs, they'd likely just align with the highest available power. Making guns is very useful but without soldiers and money all you have is a bunch of fancy clubs. I doubt the ability of any company to form a government, especially anything that's even remotely stable

>>64287210
I heard Navajo Nation was the majority shareholder in Remington after the buyout. This could lead to interesting times.

>>64287210
Colt, FN and KAC still have their military contracts, while S&W, RRA and Bushmaster have various LEO contracts. Whether this means they'd have any dedicated personnel outside their own privately employed security teams is unlikely, but there's a chance they'd be wealthy or influential enough to form their own polities in the event of the federal government breaking down completely.

>>64287143 (OP)

90% of the combatants are wearing some combination of

>civilian clothes (everything from Nike to Hugo Boss) + whatever webbing and plate carriers and webbing they could buy, loot, make, or steal
>M81 Woodland or Multicam jackets, trousers, and headgear + whatever webbing and plate carriers and webbing they could buy, loot, make, or steal
>stolen US Military stockpiles of uniforms, boots, plate carriers, and helmets looted from armories and surplus stores or taken home by deserters

AR-15s have proliferated enough that basically any reasonably organized paramilitary group will be able to hand out barebones M4/M16A2 clones as standard issue and more exotic weapons like WASRs, Mini-14s, or pre-Vietnam surplus like M1 Garands will only be found in the hands of second-rate militiamen bringing along weapons they had privately purchased pre-war.

>>64287143 (OP)
Mostly rascal scooter colors and whether they're wearing a trucker cap, a conventional baseball cap, or a flat-brim hat.

>>64287181
>shitty armor, gear, digital NV, chinese red dots, somogear lasers, and other cheapo items

Still better than having nothing at all. I expect 80% of people would hunker down and just defend their turf, letting the other 20% do the actual fighting. People would also be dropping like flies from disease. All the gear in the world wouldn't help if you get dysentery.

>>64287143 (OP)
In the event of a civil war, Alaska will likely cockvore much of Alaska and the western states, and then use their new girth to futanari-rape the Chinese and Russian territories they can get their hands on, much like how Imperial Japan fucked so many Chinese women back in the day.

Modern Japan can sit next to Russian & Chinese air-defense, if they want.

>>64287346
True in most cases, but I'd argue delaminated and compromised plates that straight up don't work are potentially a detriment. Dead weight.
Fake helmets as well, but they'd still serve as an NV mount and bump protection.
Digital NV is however an edge over a flashlight.
I do expect roaming squads of accelerationists to pop up out of the woodwork that have been "training" (groomed) since 2021 and they'll have gucci ass gear.
Also factor in the 830% rise of signal jammers since 2021, per the DHS, and we've got an interesting future threat model.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/06/18/homeland-security-warns-about-spike-china-based-technology-firms-smuggling-signal

>>64287315
Finally, supremacy for Trilby Nation

>>64287385
The hotter things get internally the more likely we'll see an arms race of drone and anti-drone tech. Ukraine was a preview.
How this will affect Fallujah-style CQB in the ruins of US cities remains to be seen.

>>64287284
Funny we don't have too many of the Gray Man threads anymore. Trucker cap + flannel buttondown + jeans (or Carhartt/Dickies work pants) is basically the Middle America version of the Slav tracksuit.

>>64287385
>Fake helmets as well, but they'd still serve as an NV mount and bump protection.

Even hard hats can stop low velocity shrapnel in the right circumstances

>>64287237
>Navajo Nation was the majority shareholder in Remington
Citation required.

>>64287392
I'm in.

>>64287413
Yeah, but if you're paying $500 for fake IIIA and you're getting hard hat protection, that could have gone towards other preps.
>>64287402
Fiber optic drones solve the Shenzhen cartel / burglar jammer problem but aren't popular CONUS. The limitations of jammers now are cooling the amp and energy density of the battery. If they get better cooling than fans and more energy density than Lifepo4 or li-ion, expect some serious power. 10W per band / 26 band stuff.
Right now most handheld jammers have the juice to handle cell phones, wifi / z-wave cameras, and FRS blister pack radios, but do not have the wattage or antenna gain to overpower even a UV-5R.
The backpack jammers pushing 50W+ watts a channel are far harder to smuggle in due to their size.
To make up for this, cartels and such buy enough Shenzhen jammers to outfit one to each member of a kill team, thus saturating a wider area.

Here's an infographic on signal jammers. Note that this is a capability reference guide only and is expressly not intended to market or advertise this equipment. Import, use, and selling of signal jammers is illegal under federal law. Nonetheless, they are increasingly popular with burglar teams in several states and there are underground channels for bad actors to acquire these. I am not a lawyer and the prior statements are not legal advice.

>>64287435
LIGHTBRINGER

>>64287429
Correction, looks like they bid after the bankruptcy but were declined. https://kutv.com/news/local/gun-maker-remington-bid-provides-insight-into-us-tribes-aspirations

JC. To survive the boog you need to contact the mole people. Find Curly and he'll give you the code to access the secret anti-drone bunkers underneath the phone booth.
The NSF out in the sticks are going to get destroyed by Majestic 12 gep guns and 30kg kamikaze super drones with massive thermobaric charges.
The agricultural drone takedown is the most silent way to eliminate Manderley and his three daughters and we lose the vaccine.

>>64287385
Shitty armor doesn't necessarily mean delaminated and non-functional. Back during the George Floyd riots I got to talking with a few of my neighbors about what we'd do to lock down our street if that shit spread near us and one of the guys bought a bunch of those cheap Italian surp plates that were available from sportsman's guide at the time. They won't stand up to rifles unless you get real lucky but protection from handguns, shotguns and drag is definitely worth something in a civil war or insurgency.

>>64287537
That would have been an ultimate irony. If you haven't traveled the Navajo Nation portion of US HWY 89, which they required be constructed by a Navajo company, you can't imagine just how fucked up Remys would have been, if made on the Rez. Waay worse than any Marlin example. This is not to say that the heavy, "old pawn" jewlery made by the Rez siilversmiths of the 60s and 70s isn't still my favorite style, or that any Navajo working assembly at the Ruger plant in Prescott isn't as good as any other assembler (fwiw).

>>64287385
>>64287587
And the same with helmets. The two guys who bought helmets both went for surp pasgt. Not Gucci but it'll keep them from getting domed by frag, a handgun or some nigger throwing rocks.

>>64287537
>were declined
>The Navajos had proposed shifting away from public consumers to police and defense contracts. Profits would then be invested in research and development of "smart guns" — those outfitted with technology to ensure they can only be used by their owners.
Thank God.

>>64287575
UNATCO hurt my weenie

>>64287608
>throwing rocks.
A good hockey helmet, motorcycle or football helmet will do that. Go Dallas!

>>64287611
You could hack them with alcohol. Even mouthwash or hairspray.

>>64287587
Didn't someone use aluminum tiles from Home Depot with those to create what were essentially hillbilly armor LIV plates?

>>64287632
Twister was the meme, can't even find that know. Cisco worked wonders, until they changed the bottle. Even then the rep carried forward.

>>64287608
Can you still get surplus FAST/PASGT helmets?

>>64287143 (OP)
Carhart pants and TAPS.

>>64287587
The Italian surp plates are good, I have two of the neck plates myself. The problem with them though is that they're first-gen PE and get domed by 5.56 M855, the "green meanies" so popular on social media. If you're dealing with ARPs, which are now common, you need to expect M855.
The plates are however equivalent to Level III and people have tested them to stop 7.62x51mm M80, so basic handgun ammunition (5.7 SS190 is sketchy but depends on velocity) and shotgun slugs are fine. I've heard from one anon that he got 7.62x39 mild steel core to pierce, which is a problem if Dracos are still around.
Preformed hardened steel fragmentation will pierce if it's large enough and oriented correctly but that's a crapshoot. Tungsten frag is even worse but if we're busting out tungsten fragmentation explosives then things are absolutely beyond gone to pot.
>>64287608
PASGTs are roughly equivalent to IIA. They're good and preferable to D / C-grade Chinese fake IIIA (you can roughly sort everything from China into a four-grade quality system).
>>64287635
Yes but the areal density is going to be excessive to reliably stop .30-06 M2AP at 2,910ft/s. Obviously way better than nothing if you've got jack shit and need armor tomorrow.
If your ass is to the wall though get some LAPG full-coverage edge-to-edge Level IVs for $290 a set. That's the cheapest workable Level IV on the market. Anything cheaper like the Highcom 4SAS4 or RMA 1155 (both $200/set on a really good sale) is going to have serious drawbacks. If you can spare more the Hesco 4403 is superior for $425/set.
>>64287640
Yes but the surplus scene isn't what it used to be. You can get surplus ECHs for $500 though that provide credible protection against 7.62x39 ball and heavier frag.

>>64287682
I heard the RMA 1165 were gtg

Given how gay and retarded the modern military is can we still count on the "Red Team Planning" pasta? Mass defections to a Constitutionalist militia would only happen if it wasn't essentially a giant bloated welfare program for diversity mutts (most combat arms are still capable White chads with the Pacos and Shaniquas REMFing) but it's not like the mystery meat would be willing to die in human waves for worthless fiat money.

>>64287702
It's the same strike face as the RMA 1155, which in pic rel failed against .308 Tulammo at 100 meters on the second shot and was suspended by the NIJ for failing the Level IV test, but with a polyethylene backer instead of fiberglass.
RMA in general has a very shady history. They changed specs on the 1192 randomly, sent Buff a seriously overweight (10oz) plate for testing, failed to disclose the 1" cheat ring on the 1189 from 2013 until 2018(!) so nobody knew for nearly five years their 10x12 plates only had 8x10 ceramic coverage, and also ran a 1" cheat ring on their 1199 that was not disclosed also until 2018. World's lightest Level IV, sure, but good luck if the round hits near the edge!
Their XRT is less than 2mm from failing the NIJ RF1 test on backface deformation, going off their own test report with a slightly overweight plate and no drop test, and yet they have the audacity to call it an RF2+ when it's a ball hair away from bombing RF1.
RMA is poorly regarded in /gq/ for good reason. There's a disconnect between their rep there and other forums largely because RMA has multiple reddit accounts and reddit trusts their youtube affiliate Buffman (who helped with R&D on the XRT too...) far more than /gq/ guys, who are generally more "seasoned" due to the whole /bag/ thing years back.