Thread 64339944

Australian /k/.
Anyone else get impatient when waiting for the pta?

I'm not sure what a PTA is but you and the rest of the Aus have my sympathies

>>64340762
Permit to acquire.

>>64341555
Checked
>Permit
It it like Gay Britain where you join a gun club and wait 3 - 9 months for a loicanse?

>>64341915
You do have to join a club for the club shooting reason if you don't have 16 hectares for the rural recreational shooting reason.
>3 - 9 months
Sounds about right, nothing particularly hard just a lot of waiting, hardest part I reckon is bolting the safe down.

>>64343668
>bolting the safe down
Welp, that's the sort of thing that'll filter rentoids and leasoids :v

whats permitted how can they deny or revoke you? just rhetorical i guess. for me it is the boemerang

>>64343741
If you put down "self defense" anywhere on your forms, it's an automatic denial / revoking

>>64339944 (OP)
>Army 2000-2010
>shot IPSC for 5 years
>owned 3 pistols
I don’t own any guns now but I sunk tens of thousands of dollars into the sport when I did it. Australians bitch and moan about how draconian the gun laws are here especially for owning handguns but if you actually compete in the sport it’s painfully easy to attend the minimum number of comps required to justify your licence.

The real redpill is unironically that gun control laws filter out the majority of the utter degenerates who would otherwise drag the name of your sport through the mud. It’s why I don’t own rifles. Every forum online is full of bogan faggots with Cat AB licences showing off their pathetic cope straight-pull 5.56 guns mocked up like AR15s. It’s a disgusting facsimile of American gun culture thankfully nerfed by effective pleb filter legislation.

If you want to shoot guns join the fucking Army like I did you flogs

>>64343879
>sunk tens of thousands of dollars into the sport
>don’t own any guns now
wew lad

>>64343879
>join the army
>in the year of our lord 2025
If you're white, straight and male, lol lmao good luck. Have fun competing against 30k other applicants for your dog shit role in a backline, peace mindset 'army'
T. 2003-2017 2rar

I've acquired my sportman but I've come down with something and now I'm too sick to even function check it.

>>64341915
I only waited about 6 weeks in NSW, waited about 6 months in QLD, didn’t have to hand my guns in, just needed a new license when I moved

>>64346594
It's nice to learn you at least have the option to move without surrendering your ware

I wonder how good I should be shooting before getting a custom target rifle?
I'll look into a getting BSA martini in the interim just to have my own rifle (I should be the only one adjusting the sights).

>>64349245
For centrefire or rim fire? I would just get a Cz 457 and use eley match ammo or a tikka t3 with hand loads unless shooting is your life

>>64349700
Rim fire (22lr), single shot, peep sights
20 and 50 metres

Update on the sportsman,
The ramp on the bolt that pushes the lifter down is worn so I'm going to have to take it back under warranty. Probably how it ended up with the dealer.

>>64350931
one upside is that the rear sight is loose so It will be easy to sight in.

>>64339944 (OP)
I haven’t renewed my SSAA membership in years

>>64345453
>30k other applicants
I thought the ADF was having a major recruiting problem? Yeah during wartime 30,000 isn’t a lot but during our current peace that doesn’t seem too bad

>>64351732
Need an alternative so I can abandon the traitors
I don't mind semi being restricted so long as all other repeaters fall under cat A and B, although it would make our shotgun market boring if we where allowed pumps.

>>64353990
Just find a local gunclub within your area. I used to shoot at SSAA Belmont until I discovered the Queensland Military Rifle Club did their range fees cheaper.

>>64354048
Only local club for small bore pistol and trap is SSAA.
Need an alternative that provides the same insurance that ssaa has and protects Australian's privilege to responsibly use firearms.

>>64354065
Well there is no alternative if you're that desperate for insurance and want a gunclub to fight for us. The SSAA might be politicallg bland as boiled chicken, but they're the only club large enough to go down to Canberra and stake a claim. Everyone else is either too small or an American 2A-For-White-People-Only-Of-My-Specific-Political-Leaning type

>>64339944 (OP)
Bump, I’m going to sell my .308 Mauser K98

>>64353806
They're having major recruitment issues in roles no one thinks about when joining a military. Pay clerks, cooks, real back BACK line stuff, alongside the EXTREMELY technical roles like sub engineers and shit. Even mechanics and logi cunts have a fair amount of people gunning for those spots.

>>64355915
The military is a shit job, on account of the relocating typical required, periods away from home, there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn’t just take up a career in coal mining

>>64355958
>FIFO pipeline

Ah yes I took enjoy being slutted around for 12-14 hour shifts and being burnt out and broken by 25. Literally better off going to uni or getting a trade.

>>64355958
>coal mining
LOL
LMAO EVEN
Just get a trade on construction of ANY kind, sparky, pipe layer, etc and you'll have a far better life than some dogshit hold digger for that whore elon musk wanabe

>>64355995
>>64356007
>implying that 25% of the workers on a coal mine aren’t trades and that many of the are legally obligated in their EA’s to put on apprentices every year

>>64356106
>>64356007
>>64355995
FOCUS COBBERS
Discuss bangsticks down under

me shoot me freeohfree today
dun pretty gud
stinky ancient surplus ammo does the funny hangfire

alright, im off for a bundy
gudnite cobbas

fuck the storm, yeeeewww up the broncs

>>64356110
Strayan made guns.
Funnily because Customs keep out even foreign CatBs that would be legit in most States, by necessity its one of the few machines we still make in this cuntry of imported chinkshit.

>Fuck JohnnyHoward up his shriveled prolapse with a cactus dipped in Deep-heat

>>64356175
>tfw my state won’t let me have any sort of straight pull that also takes an ar15 stock so im forever cursed to the ergonomics of traditional rifle stocks
forever jealous anon they look very nice

>>64356175
I'm a bit fuddish when it comes to repeaters in an Amalite form. maybe it's just the hand guard rails and telescoping stock.

>>64356208
Although if they came with the option to look like a sporter colt ar15 I would bite.

>>64356208
It's an early Warwick WFA-1 that was the first of the purpose-made straightpulls, and they went full-out with quad pic-rails that are a bit excessive if you don't have a 40mm GL and a PEQ etc. Really it just needs the top rail for optics and maybe a clip-on thermal, and a short piece for a bipod, and it'd probably be half a kilo lighter, or even more with more slots.
There's a later WFA-1L lightweight version that does that so I guess it was a common realisation.
Ideally nowadays I'd swap it for the new Wedgetail Micro pump-actions, but I wanted one as soon as they became available to support Strayan industry advancing the whole idea of producing modern guns locally, and without the Warwick starting the genre there wouldn't be the Wedgie and Taipan pumps and lever-releases

>>64356208
There was at least one Warwick where the guy got a gunsmith to mill off the forestock and replaced it with an AR15 delta-ring, -A2 ribbed handguards and a frontsight.
Because of the trunnion block that holds the barrel, it was a bit further forward of the magwell so it looked a bit "off" to me.

general thread go u[p

Aus /k/ must live

>>64355897
state and price for rifle alone?

>>64359239
Agreed

>>64361480
Yeah, aus/pol/ has gone completely to shit.
Meanwhile, its Day42 and VicPol can't find shit, so WAPol thinks its a good idea to pull loicences off their SovShits for no legit reason. It's almost like they wanted to poke the skitzes until one goes spakk on them.
>Meanwhile cunts are paying $18K for a Larp gun

Sportsman is back at the store so now I wait.
again

>>64339944 (OP)
>Australian /k/.

>>64365768
Looks like a shooting gallery, where the gun has to be tethered for unlicensed shooters.

>>64365768
Yeah, it was a commercial range in Radelaide.
Iirc about 4-5 cunts booked in solo over a couple of years and topped themselves, even when there was a cable on the pistol to the desk, retards would twist themselves into fuckedup positions to dome themselves.
Unlike most suicides like jumping off the jetty the media played it up because of the "gunnz iz badd" (((agenda))) so it brought in more copycats.
>Radelaide is a shithole but there's no reason to stay there
Now most ranges wont take solo bookings.

>>64365058
Fuckin grim

>>64343879
Then the Victoria machete ban is a reasonable restriction then

>>64365058
>$18K
Some Boomer collector will buy it and never fire it to keep it mint.
Most pistols are $1-2k or as cheap as $500 for secondhand.
Because it's harder to get a Cat H loisence there's only a limited secondhand market to sell on used pistols, so they're cheaper than rifles and shotties.

>>64365768
Just like in Sou K

>>64365058
Here's what happened to the SovCits in WA.
Idk what a Common Law Sheriff rally is but I guess they were going to arrest judges like Dezi did a while back.

>>64370772
>I believe I do not need to obey the law and I will make this publicly known
"okay we'll revoke privilege that requires you to obey the law"
>NOOOOOOO muh rights
What civil right?

But yeah, while WA is being too harsh these idiots need to know that firearms ownership is merely a privilege here.
Even so a civil right is also a privilege that you are to be deserving of, the Americans deserve their civil right to bear arms as they earned it through their revolution.

damn, I thought there would be more Australians on /k/, at least enough to sustain a general without plain bumps

>>64373507
/k/ went to shit as soon as the Russ/Ukie war /pol/troons found it, so actual gunz discussion disappeared in general.
Plus all we get in aus/k/ is Seppos repeating the "durr no gunnz" bullshit.
>Yeah, I'm old enough to have lost a $50 .22 Stirling semi and a cheap Bentley pumpie in 96, because I was a kid and just bought cheap nasty gunz back then, but I own a shitload more and better gunz now than I did pre96.

>>64370867
Yeah, theyre Boomer fuckwits.
If you do think the gubment are unconstitutional and corrupt cunts (which they basically are) why would you go around saying it publicly and not expect them to react equally unconstitutionally and corruptly?
And setting yourselves up as Sherrifs to enact whatever you think is real-law just directly challenges the cops whole existence and pay-cheques.
The "fit&proper" and psych criteria also includes excluding retards who are too dumb to keep their fucking mouths shut.
>ofc the real risk is cunts clever enough to keep schtum and keep their gunnz ready, so the SovCits at least serve as a bad example to everybody else

>>64373738
Meanwhile, back to Strayan gunz.
I used to shoot the MightySLR before 96, and then the HK417 more recently, and the MPR is at least as good as the 417 and shits over the SLR.
Back in the 90s most rifles didn't even know what an MoA was, let alone achieve it, and machining standards were often useless.
Modern CAD-milling have made locally made guns better than anything smelted in 96.

>>64373861
Whereas back before 96 the only rifles getting made in Oz were fudd-shit like the Omark 44.
Single-shot, iron-sight, wood stock with top handguard, Fudd approved target-rifles. Because when the Army went from .303s to SLRs the SSAA target-fudds didn't want a semi-auto that did 4-5MoA, they wanted a single-shot that might maybe make 1-2MoA on a dry day.
And that was the 'best' we had.
Even ADF Snipers only had a wood-stocked Parker-Hale 82 with a fixed 6x scope that could maybe get a headshot at 600m in dry weather in good hands.
>Now, thanks to JohnneyH we actually have half a dozen companies making modern accurate useful guns.

>>64373918
forgot to mention small bore, there is an omark for two hundred bucks.

>>64373918
Yes and no.
If you want to turn up and copy the Fudds, a Martini .22 with a decent barrel is mechanically unbreakable and accurate enough, and theyre cheap because most are from the estate sales of dead or dementiad Fudds.
>Its like buying a leather case of lawn bowls to join the other retirees at the Bowlo, it'll have deadmans dust on them.
But so is any other modern .22 bolt-gun or even a lever-action gun with modern machining tolerances and a good bore, and theyre multi-use as you can use them on bunnies.
The only issue is finding one with iron sights as everybody else uses dots or optics nowadays.

>>64374016
>The only issue is finding one with iron sights
Especially double peep sights, there was a sportco martini that sold with opens.

>>64374031
The only significant features in an accurate .22 are the barrel, a decent set of sights and a consistent trigger.
Then you have to find the particular brand of ammo it prefers - its a combination of lead hardness, diameter and powder load, its a black-art but some target .22s are fussy.
Martinis have #2 and achieve #3 by being dead simple, so the only issue is the bore, but on a secondhand gun its always a gamble what you get, or if you can find a brand of ammo that it likes.
A modern 'sport' .22 like a Browning BL22 Lever will have a decent trigger by more accurate machining, likely a better #1 instead of a century of lack of care, it just needs a decent peep rear sight.
Even those cheapshit Savage Rascal plastic "toy-guns" are better quality than most old .22s and would do better than a Martini with an old shit barrel.

>>64374157
>Keks when you rock up to the Fudd club with a Barbie-pink plastic kids-size rifle.
Bigger Keks when it outshoots Grandads 140yo Martini because its got a shiny bore and the same accu-trigger as the heavy varmint version, and .22lr loses velocity in barrels over 14inches, so the Martini's extra barrel length is only there so grandad can see the foresight in his coke-bottle specs.

>>64373507
The last time we had an aus /k/ (sometimes "/k/angaroo") or a uk /k/ (which thinking about it, I think it should be called u/k/) thread was quite a while ago. Over a year. I did check a couple different wordings on archives like a week ago and was very surprised to see just how long ago it was for both. Actually had some questions for the brit /k/ one but I forgot about them since then.

>>64374195
It would look cooler with a chassis stock.
Especially one made from a 1950s French war veteran's disability crutch.

>>64339944 (OP)
Not an aussie but I love small bore stuff. Split this twig (deliberately of course) at about 60m with my cz457 in .17hmr last sunday. Was pretty peoud of myself

>>64374240
We've had a couple of aus/k/ threads this year, but the Tr*nnyJ*nnys deleted them in less than 20 posts.
I dont go to u/k/ threads but iirc Ive also seen them this year.
The problem is since both are tight legal jurisdictions, the minute anyone starts discussing working within the limitations of the laws they reeeeee that it's /pol/itical.

>>64374260
Noice.
Although the hole in the can suggests you were aiming elsewhere and hit it my mistake.
However if you were holding the can next to your nuts like that it still counts as tight shooting.

>>64374282
The can was set on the twig as a target. I was sighting in my brother's .22lr with him and he used it to confirm his zero. After getting pretty confident in where my .17 was placing, I got bored of the shoot-n-see stickers and wanted to challenge myself

>>64374275
It's a shame because you guys have shit we really don't; I like to read and learn about how different it is over there. Martinis like >>64373918 would absolutely be pricey here and there's no way in hell this >>64373995 would even be as low as $200 USD. We also don't have old BSA (UK) made scopes unlike the UK which sucks because I really want one to complete a rifle, though by this point I've kinda moved on and am considering a modern scope for practicality. Over here we only have Chinese made BSAs on the used market; I've seen only one UK made one and it was on a UK import I didn't have the cash for. Seller did not want to separate the scope either despite it not even being a $300 rifle he bought in a batch for sale at a gun show. Fuck did that suck but I did not have the money after buying a different rifle and I really didn't want to buy that gun just for a scope that is worth maybe 40 pounds in the UK. It was threaded (locally) and the proofmarks were neat, but it was a tube mag gun and made zero sense to silence unless you own a specific skinny silencer made by one company in the US (IIRC it's named something like "Gecko"). I got this with Brit proofs though and I am happy with it.

>>64374241
I never really paid close attention to the movie gun that it doesn't actually use the crutch handle as the stock, it has a thin rod with just the shoulder-pad put back onto the end.
>as a kid you'd grab an old crutch and always use it as a 'gun' so I figured thats how the DotJ rifle worked
So the barrel action and stock-tube all separate and are stored inside the crutch parts.
So technically the 'rifle' is inside the crutch, the crutch isn't a concealed-weapon like a cane-gun where the barrel is concealed as the stick, it's just a thin rifle inside a slightly thicker solid carrycase.
And you're supposed to carry your rifle in a carrycase to not alarm the bystanders. Its not my fault if the carrycase looks like it's something else.

>>64370867
The ultimate irony is Australian LAFOs are the most legally-compliant persons in the whole country.
The cops will try every minor offence as an excuse to revoke a licence for not being a fit and proper person, even going to covid protests or drink-driving or having too many parking tickets, or working with bikies despite not being one or owning a bike.
Meanwhile cops get DVOs for beating their wife and are still armed and on duty, and the Sudanese get bail for multiple machete attacks, and the Leb gangs are having daily drive-bys over the tobacco shop turf wars, while the media still blame 'too many recreational shooters own guns' as being a problem.
The reverse is true, we are the least criminal group.
If more citizens owned guns it'd be more peaceful - not just for the proposed Castle Law reduction in crime - but they'd all have to be more law-abiding like us.

I have 20 acres full of rabbits and foxes and am thinking about getting my loicence soon. Am I realistically limited to using a .22 because of the size of the property? Any other options for something I can plink bunnies and foxes all night with, without being a cunt to the neighbours who are mostly 500m+ away? I was just going to get a crossbow until I saw even they're banned now in this gay state (SA).

>>64374764
With 20 acres you're laughing - anything over 5-10 acres should be alright for a shotty and most small centrefires.
Given the Categories are:
A - .22s and shottys
B - all centrefires
Commonly you just get both anyway, the paperwork is the same, its just one extra tick-box.
You can apply for both and if asked why just say you want a 'small' .17HMR or .22Hornet for foxes, then once you've got both CatA&B you can PTA any larger calibre you feel like, remembering once you have your loicence for your own property you can also use your guns anywhere else that's legal, or at ranges etc.
If your 20acres is used for Primary production as your main income you can probably get a Cat C for a semi .22 or shotty if you like, but for the extra paperwork it's not really that different to getting a modern lever-release shotty anyway.

I don't know about SA but in NSW if your neighbours are too close e.g. its a long thin 20acres so they are always near your muzzle noise, you can actually use that as an excuse to get a legal suppressor.
>old regular aus/k/ there used to be a sticky of How2getLoicence for each state

>>64374764
Options if youre a property-owner and don't know much about guns, go visit your local gunshop:
1. Theyll help you with what's a suitable calibre for your area, whether its flat or hilly etc and even help you with the paperwork for the loicence etc
2. They'll know cunts who already have guns who are looking for places to shoot who can do it for you instead.
3. They'll also have other young nogunnz cunts who want to get gunz but need a 'property access letter' from an owner as a valid reason to get their loicences. You can actually make a few bucks on this, just don't go crazy. WA cops were cancelling Loicences based on Letters recently because one farmer would sign a thousand citycunts at $20 each for a dustbowl with no critters that none of them ever visited.
Ofc you have to be careful with 2 and 3 as you can end up with fuckwits blazing away at everything and being shitcunts, but you can also find some goodcunts to go shooting with.
>you could even try linking up with any SA /k/unts here if you have a doxxfree email

>>64374788
It's sort of long shaped with a road running down one side so I'm wary of using anything other than a shotty or .22 on it (I'd always shoot long ways towards the back were there's an empty paddock with a hill anyway) but appreciate the info, I'd defo look into other guns in the future, a friend of a friend has a large property he gets to go nuts with his .303 on.

>>64374819
I'll try asking the local dealer too, I'm still a long way away from even applying for a loicense. Cheers.

>>64374824
Yeah, start with a .22lr but if you find the critters are staying too far away for easy shots, a small calibre high-velocity centrefire like in the .17 to .223 range might actually be 'safer' as you can shoot flatter at longer ranges so you hit what you aim at and the projo shatters in flesh, instead of lobbing a slower .22lr at them that then misses because of having to estimate the range exactly and keeps skipping towards the horizon.
Again, ask your local shop for recommendations.

should the footprint for a red dot on a handgun influence which one I get?
acro p2 and trijicon rcr are what I’m looking at

>>64374840
Depends on the handgun.
Older ones where you need a plate to replace the rearsight you just need to match the right plate to match between the slide and reddot, but you can usually find a plate for each dot footprint.
There a few common footprints that some of the minor or copycat brands try to match as 'standard' sizes.
If its a recent gun that's got the slide pre-cut for a dot, it'll say which models of dots footprint matches it.

>>64374836
.17HMR might be the way to go then, I got to hold one but not fire it, the guy just wanted to show off the flash IR scope he chucked on it. I would love a similar setup.

>>64374906
Its a valid choice for foxes and bunnies, light and not expensive to shoot, although NV or Thermal will cost 2-3x the cost of the rifle but are great to clean up in the dark.

>>64374904
Springfield trp aos
I’ve head some footprints are “better” in reviews, as if the acro footprint is somehow superior but I can’t find much information about it

>>64374953
Ah, so AOS is a pre-cut that takes different plates for the footprints.
Simple.
Then the only issue is picking a RDS that 'fits' the width and shape of the gun - low profile to look smooth and not rub on a holster, or big&chunky to use as a racking-block, whatever floats ya boat.

>>64374953
Footprints are only "better" in that some common patterns are more universal if you have to get an older plain pistol slide cut to make a fixed plate, because you dont want to be forever tied to one model of sight that becomes obsolete, but if you can change between plates its no matter.

daily bump

>>64378342
Based

>>64374836
>>64374924
NTA, curious why .17 over 22WMR for fox. If I screw up and 22WMR isn't great then I can just get a new barrel on a CZ and swap to .17 (I'm not in AUS) but I'd like to hear why your preference is what it is. I wouldn't be using it for small game, already have something for that.

>>64378342
>*Daily Pump

>>64378926
Yeah, we get the swap-barrel CZs here too, but theyre not common.
Unlike Germany etc where hunters are limited to a small number of rifles so it's simpler to have swappable barrels on one expensive action like a Merkel or Blaser, here except in one State recently* you can own as many rifles as you can fit in a safe or fill a strongroom.

: *afaik WAs new laws, that are still being challenged, only let owners have 5 guns maximum, and they always questioned why guys had 2-3 rifles in similar calibers.
So there will be a lot of bargains as WA guys thin out their stashes, and probably try swap-barrels.

>>64374240
Sadly such a thread would be derailed by warriortard or russian IO operatives. Most of /k/ supports our British bros but regime actors seek to create divide between the US and UK audiences, because UK authorities are the ones actually taking action against vatniks and /pol/tards so Russians will derailed any mention with “muh free speech”, “muh guns laws” and other whataboutisms

>>64339944 (OP)
Put my first pta in 2 weeks ago, just 2 more weeks. Getting a Tikka Super Varmint 6.5cm but have no idea what scope to get yet.

>>64379213
Daily pump.
No 'AR'-style stocks because too scary for NSW.
Fuckit put a mag of extra ammo there instead to mindfuck the antigunz cunts.

>>64381943
AR stocks are a cope from the original M16 design where there was no plan for a folding stock and they are stuck with putting something on the recoil spring buffer tube.
Its dumb now that AR-18 based straightpulls and pumps that dont actually need a tube still bolt one on because AR sliding stocks are now the default industry market for fancy stocks.
Its actually more useful to have rear pic-rail piece and just put on any stock style you want, including an AR fake-tube if you do want the looks.

Survive

>>64375035
>>64375068
cheers
I ended up going with the rcr

>>64382122
That Ar18 has broken the original plastic folder so he's added an FAL or CAL folder onto it.
So it's got a new fold-point on the old one so it's double-jointed.
NSW Loicencing minds would explode.

Like the new Wedgetail Micro.
With the 13inch barrel they have to put a stop on the sliding stock tube so it doesnt collapse down completely because then its under 750mm overall.

>>64382805
do these lock the action forward when in battery yet?

>>64382819
Probably not, Ive got the .308 and it isn't 'locked' like a pump shotty, just the regular bolt-head to barrel-extension lockup, and to add in an extra mechanism would be overcomplicating a simple action and stopping dropping in other AR-style trigger packs.
Unless I try to gorillagrip the vfg like its an LMG it doesnt pop open unexpectedly so it isnt an issue for me.

I want to get an Enfield for my first "full" power rifle, I'm wanting a no4 because of general improvements in strength and accuracy, I'll look at getting something that is already sporterised.
Should I not be able to get one would a lee speed work as well?

>>64383781
the p14 (and successors) is also an option (in 303)

>>64383781
FreeOhFrees are iconic but upgrading from Boer-war to WW2 "accuracy" isn't anywhere close to modern standards.
As a 'sporter', it's like getting a 1930s Harley and making a wannabe racebike out of it - that was fine if its all you had for cheap back in the 1950s but nowadays the cheapest modern rifle will outperform it in every aspect and be cheaper ammo.
And if youre just starting off shooting, you won't be able to improve your skills when you're hobbled to a rifle that was Minute-of-Zulu accurate even back when it was new.
If you want a .303, get an original and enjoy it for the tradition and its historic limitations, but if you want a useful sporting rifle to learn on get a cheap RemTikkaHowa so if you miss you know its you not the 100yo rifle bedding.

>>64381943
Daily pump.
One for the cowboy dress-up fudds.

Daily pump, plinking edition.

>all guns I’m interested in are either illegal, rare and or not imported to the country, take some sort of magazine that costs 250 dollars each, exist to be light but in a configuration I don’t like, or fuck off heavy once I make it something I do like or no longer produced so if I had it I wouldn’t shoot it cause no spare parts available
>try to make ammo cheaper by reloading
>police don’t like that I buy bulk anything, they visit me and tell me not to do that even though it’s stored properly
>local collectors club is full of old cunts that I have no idea how to speak to so I never continued with the meetings to get collection added to my license as a genuine reason
it’s tiring lads, i truly have been cursed by having interest in this and being born here

>>64390050
>police don’t like that I buy bulk anything, they visit me and tell me not to do that even though it’s stored properly
What do they consider bulk and how do they know about it?

le thread goeth and ascend

>>64390791
I don’t actually know how they knew. I guess it gets declared to them by the dealer I got it from. I got a random call asking they wanted to inspect the storage of the powder and components I bought the month and a half prior.
They didn’t tell me the amount I could have(there isn’t one in my state) and basically cited this shit to me
>limitations on the amount of ammunition a person can acquire or possess, depending on the type of firearm and the genuine reason relating to the firearm licence.
>The amount is based on how much a person reasonably requires for a particular firearm according to the genuine reason for which their licence was issued.”

>>64389197
Daily pump.
Almost bought one once but back then you could semi Maeguns etc so the weird looking Saffer wasn't worth it.
Now its a bit different.

>>64394630
>...reasonably requires...
Because it's all bullshit written by retards with no actual firearms experience or knowledge.
Some cunts can run through kilos in a month if theyre practicing for National tier comps or commercially culling.
Or some jeehad cunt who doesn't even own a Lee-loader and a soft-hammer can buy a single 500g bottle and make a few pipebombs.
You must have been looking suss at your local gunshop to get dobbed in, but these days cunts are smurfing up any ADI powders they see because you can nver guarantee supply.

>>64395078
Hideous and beautiful at the same time

>>64394630
It all gets logged at your LGS
I live in the same state as you and I recognize the passage you cited. I believe (could be misremember this) that it's "reasonably usable in a 12 month period"...
>Yeah I shoot IPSC/ clay target damn right I need literally thousands of rounds."
Fun fact - if you buy interstate and drive back to our state it skirts under the radar and it's 100% legal. I do it every year for the holidays, put a few thousand dollars aside and buy it in person interstate then schlep it all home when my holiday is over.
>wanted to inspect the storage
Even with the new legislation amendments on safe storage you still only need a sturdy lockable container. I use a rhino spacecase myself.

>>64395078
Daily pump.
IMI made Uzis, Galils, and for some reason the Timberwolf, a .44Mag pumpy.

>>64343723
the problem there is just learned helplessness and people looking for a reason not to do something.
Like it is just not that hard to patch holes in the walls and floors and the property manager is gonna be looking for like 45 other things when he walks through for the final inspection so even if he notices he's not gonna say anything as long as it isn't a complete hack job.

>>64365768
this just looks depressing

>>64401593
Relax, it's a shooting gallery. Setup so unlicensed people can easily shoot without killing themselves.

>>64398068
IMI should continue making the Timberwolf line. 44, 38, all sorts of calibers. Would be very fun silenced. Also looks good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4EoQi5WcEc

>>64345453
>wearing the black through the golden years
Who is Frank Attard and what was he famous for?

>>64401526
lol I guess

>>64340762
Hey that's mine! I've changed my setup a little since then. QD foregrip and bipod as required.

>>64356292
I'm quite happy with the Mini, but I ordered it just before the Micro was announced. Maybe in the future I'll get a 13" upper but it's ridiculously expensive. Though, if I change the optics mount it'll save almost half a kilo in total.

>>64402005
Nah, retard nogunnz at ranges should just start off by cutting-sick with full-auto Uzis.

>>64401526
Rentoids regularly drill obvious holes in walls to hang their 70inch 8k plasma idiotbox, or just punch holes in walls on the shard.
Nah, I can't into gunnz because it's too hard to drop in 2 dynabolts to put a gunsafe in a WIR.
>Its a useful IQ barrier.

>>64403690
Noice but how do you go with the Grip-pod. Does leaning into the bipod push the BCG out of battery?

>>64403920
I find there's enough resistance in the action that it doesn't push it out of battery. I can easily get a firm prone position without issue.
However, if I'm doing more prone shooting, I'll move it to the front rail and attach a stubby grip to the pump.

>>64401526
Literally this.
I'm a rentoid and I just drill baby drilled. Get fucked I'm storing my guns where I sleep.
Not my first rodeo, just cut the carpet in 1x1 inch squares and keep them to patch later.
Landlord or their property managers aren't gonna stitch you up for a new carpet over that.
OR
Put the gun safe in the walk in closet, no one double checks the carpet in those things and its usually just held in place by the skirting board (your real enemy depending on your inspecting officer) and not actually glued to the slab. So just pry that bitch out with a flat head screw driver and cut at the narrowest point and keep the carpet bit for later.
>>64403012
IWI (aka Kahr Group) is hot fucking garbage no matter what they make.

HEH brudda there a KANGarooo gimme the tree oh tree

>>64406533
boom didden dat cunt kick :DDD

Are these legal in all states?
https://youtube.com/shorts/AwayFHCoYjg?si=nDhLBIpvq3I59ny3
Funny how nogunz and the media kicked up a big stink about the turkish pistol grip semi auto shottie but not this.

>>64410367
shshhshshshshsh

>>64339944 (OP)
Where's mah AUKUS subs, ye wanker? What a kunt......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsC0rqWkaw4

>>64410579
More like BOOMclickBOOMclickBOOMclickBOOMclickBOOMclick

>>64410367
I think WasteAustralia's new gun lawz has tried to ban press-button and lever-release shottys, but theyre legit everywhere else.
NewShitWales still bans the 'scary' black pistolgrip ones, but if its got a 'normal' stock its somehow safer.
>Gun CuntRoll wankers went spakk too early when it was just the first Adler levers yippy-shooting on Yootoob, and when those were proved to be historically permitted under the 96 lawz they'd wasted all their 'ammo' on a dud issue. Now everycunt has at least one 'fast' shotty as most cunts kept buying each new trick model as they arrived, and now its too late to do shit.

>>64411375
Yeah, the main problem with buying Seppo nuke subs is the UnitedShartsNavy can't even build enough for themselves to keep up with the Chynks, so there's fuckall spare capacity to build any for Straya.

>>64410367
>gun is basically just a semi-auto that has a bolt hold-open device that locks the gun open between shots
Sooooo, from a purely theoretical perspective, what's preventing this bolt hold-open device from just mysteriously "breaking" (typical Turkish quality), or just spontaneously falling out of the gun?

>>64412522
Dunno, I havent examined the internals of my shotty trigger group that closely.
You can't just hold down the button or remove it, it needs to click on and then reset when it releases.
>maybe theoretically you could work out the exact bit that needs to be changed but you'd need to modify it correctly so it still does its job in a full firing cycle
Simpler would be to make like a bump-stock or recoil-absorbing stock where the receiver slides backward in the stock then at its rearward travel add on an artificial "thumb" that mechanically pushes the button at max recoil then it goes forward.
Or just learn to hold your own thumb at this point on the normal stock anyway.

>>64412471
Funny how VicDaniStan has the second best gun laws after XXXX beer-land

>>64339944 (OP)
Pta turn around times have been pretty good generally in my experience, most I’ve waited for one is I think ~20 days?
>>64343668
Bolting safe down is easy if you have a hammer drill, just remember to wear a dust mask if you’re doing it into concrete because the dust gets everywhere
>>64343723
>filter rentoids and leasoids :v
Surprisingly no, lots of people just find a spot in a wardrobe, lift the carpet up with a stanley knife and bolt into the floor underneath. When lease is up you either remove the bolts or cut them level with the ground, then just pop the carpet slice back in. Will be good as new and indistinguishable from when you moved in
>>64343879
I would join the army for the sheer fact that you get an automatic Steyr, but I have a friend who was medically discharged from ADF infantry because he said they made him walk for massive distances and it fucked his feet up. I’d potentially join the reserves one day though
>>64341915
The backlog for licenses is different to the backlog for ptas, there is a huge wait list for new license safety courses and processing at the moment, after you get approved for a license its a further 28 days before you can make your first purchase and the permit to acquire has to be done for each additional purchase, which is usually a 7-28 day wait on top.
It’s a good system that ensures people cant gain access to weapons too quickly in the heat of an emotional moment while ensuring that each new addition is successfully added to the registry

>>64412522
>Sooooo, from a purely theoretical perspective, what's preventing this bolt hold-open device from just mysteriously "breaking" (typical Turkish quality), or just spontaneously falling out of the gun?
Basically, the full force of the law.
If a lever release firearm were to have the lever release mechanism removed, it would no longer be classed as a Cat A/B and would fall under the semi auto category of C. To modify a firearm to be a different category is an offence punishable by extremely hefty fines, instant loss of license, prohibited person status applied and possibly jail time.
Anybody can modify a firearm to be a semi automatic if they’re determined enough, drilling a gas port on a bolt action is no different to removing a lever release mechanism. To do so would be a direct breach of the firearms act, and all models on the national registry are subject to inspection at any time to ensure that each category and action type is correctly reflected.
You must obtain approval prior to making any modification to a firearm, that includes “losing” parts integral to the bolt action mechanism which is legislated by federal law. Eventually you learn that any gun can be converted to anything, with enough intent. The key word being intent.
Those with bad intent will obviously be punished so why risk it. If an inspecting officer sees a gas port and a piston with a missing lever release mechanism, you are utterly fucked in the eyes of the law. It’s as simple as that.
Lever releases don’t need to be removed, you should be happy you have them at all. It’s questions like yours that directly harm legal owners because it proves that you’ve got a desire to go outside the scope of the law.

>>64412522
Essentially if you lose a component integral to the function of your specific firearm category you must submit it to an authorised dealer or the police for storage until you can obtain the replacement part that would restore the intended functionality of that firearm to ensure that at no point are you in possession of a firearm youre not legally authorised to possess

>>64412471
>NewShitWales still bans the 'scary' black pistolgrip ones, but if its got a 'normal' stock it’s somehow safer.
This is being revoked soon hopefully because it’s ridiculous, and NSW should be ashamed
>WasteAustralia's new gun lawz has tried to ban press-button and lever-release shottys
The action must still be manually cycled and therefor is still considered a manual bolt action rifle. Pushing a button is no different to cycling a bolt on a standard .22 rimfire rifle, technically speaking they are the exact same. They’re just scared of the noise it makes when it cycles, that’s all it comes down to.
People have run tests and in some cases have been able to cycle FASTER than a lever release by manually cycling. Being afraid of lever release mechanisms is an utter gimmick, just like being afraid of a gun’s appearance is, and that is why any state with common sense and logic does not prohibit guns based on appearance or their bolt action mechanism specifically, but rather on their ability to self load without any manual user input or fire continuously.

>>64412471
A lever action is the exact same speed as a lever release, just like a standard bolt action is the same speed as a straight pull. The only exception being a pump action, which is slightly faster than all of them, and that is why pump actions are a different category.

>>64411895
You have to take your finger off the trigger to be able to engage the lever release mechanism, which is why they’re positioned high and to the back further then your thumb can reach. Attempting to engage the release with your thumb would also compromise grip stability.
It’s not quite as fast as people think.

>>64368323
Machetes were not banned they were reclassified to prohibited weapons requiring an exemption to possess just like crossbows, swords and body armour do. Which was a perfectly reasonable decision that allows police to now crack down ten times harder on people that use them for crime.
Previously if they caught someone stealing cars and running rampant with a machete all they could do was slap them with a possess controlled weapon without excuse charge which is nowhere near as serious as possess prohibited weapon. This will allow them to lock up criminals much faster, denying them bail and ensuring that the only people who have them are law abiding citizens which I am in full support of

>>64412729
Lolwut, I got to fire one, your thumb can reach the button easily without moving much (unless you have small baby hands) and you absolutely can shoot it faster than the guy in the video does if you want to.

>>64412750
If you take the thumb off the grip and fire a 12ga you’re not going to have anywhere near as much stability. In theory it would work but in practice the recoil is exaggerated so much that you lose sight picture completely.
>>64410367
https://youtube.com/shorts/X2GVMciXkr8
You can cycle a manual bolt action faster than a push button lever release
Push buttons are slow and bad and it’s just another mechanism to service which can malfunction
Having to fix a lever release mechanism in the field is very difficult

They’re not even good in my opinion, but if WA wants to ban them then it’s whatever. Bit embarrassing but then again they always are, they’ve always had the worst gun laws out of any state even worse than NSW which is saying something

>>64410367
>>64412750
Shooting it without your thumb on the grip is not instinctual and you lose accuracy which is why the shooter in the aforementioned video is constantly swapping between hovering his thumb over the button or holding the grip.
They are awkward to fire.

>>64412788
Aussie armaments makes a relocation button for the ba-x12. Runs a lot quicker without having to use your thumb. Can also "hypothetically" loosen the lever so the bolt doesn't catch and goes straight into battery.

>>64412788
>they are awkward to fire
I'd argue also less fun to fire. I like my straight-pull shotgun. Not as fun as a pump, but still decently fun and fast.

>>64412749
But they won't.
Because the offenders are niggers.
And you're a bootlicking faggot.
Fuck off.
It's completely unreasonable, go back to plebbit.

>>64412749
Yeah, but the "prohibited/restricted" classification for Machetes is pointless for criminals.
If you murder somecunt with one, they only charge you with murder, they don't add 'possess prohib weapon' on top because the extra 3months on a 30year sentence isn't worth all the duplicate paperwork.
Same as cunts who rob a bank with a sawnoff - the prosecutor doesnt add 'failure of storage' or 'modify without gunsmith' to the bank-robbery charge.
>Technically it is only able to be called a "Machete" if it was manufactured in the Jalisco region of Mexico, the rest are just "Sparkling bush-knoives"

>>64412553
The paradox is because the bogans in the CFMEU are cashedup and get a shitload of RDOs and Raindays so they all jump i their trickedup 4x4s and go hunting - and the CFMEU has Dan and now Dan-mole by the nutz.
It was the union that squashed the Greens and AnimalJustice demands to ban duck-hunting because they like to shoot.
>or at least they want a legit reason for the Union boyz to all own shottys

>>64412788
Yeah, I was tossing up between the different buttons/levers and went with the Tac-sore-arse only because it came in a 14"shorty.
Initially the extra under-lever seemed weird but now I just hover my stinkfinger over the lever and it naturally just trips it as everything recoils, so you barely notice that it's already happened and just re-acquire for the next shot.

>>64415788
holy conspiracytalk batman! I didn't know the CFMEU had CIA-level influence

>>64412749
>...to lock up criminals much faster, denying them bail...
KEK
If you are that delusional you'll fail the psych-test of the 'fit&proper' character tests.
Gun laws only get applied to legit whytecunts who have a loicence they can cancel.
That way the stats show that its the LAFOs who "deserve" more laws, whereas if they charged the Gangniggers with weapons act offences they'd show the "wrong" stats that it's 99% criminals doing bad things with unloicenced weapons.
>Mbopo will get bail for the theft or break&enter anyway, and the machete-use just gets dropped to make the paperwork simpler

>>64415831
Victoria is a Triumvirate of :
Labor Party - Building Corporations - CFMEU
Thats why they keep getting deeper in debt for more useless major projects, because the money to the overbudget projects cycles back thru the Union dues and Corporate political donations. Its a spiral and they can't stop.
It wasn't a secret that the CFMEU likes a bit of roast duck - and they were going to stop the build scheme if the Lefty anti-hunters got their duck ban.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/feathers-ruffled-unions-vow-to-shut-out-labor-if-duck-hunting-banned-20230825-p5dzjw.html

>>64415855
You know that Victoria isn't the only state running regular major infrastructure projects to improve the state? Other states have unionised workers.

>>64415855
>union of people come together to stop their hobby being banned
Pretty based. Unions winning once again standing up for their members.

>>64415855
Actually it was primarily the ETU who started the protest against the duck hunting ban.
Sparkies seem to be more right-wing than most unions, they were also very anti-Labor in Queensland politics.
The old-style trade unions were traditionally more blokey on issues like guns and hunting, its only the modern Uni-lefty Labor philosophy that is anti-gun.
Now its ironic that it is the Socialist Alliance "revolutionary" leftys who want the Police to crack down harder on banning guns, when historically actual revolutionaries around the world have always realised that they need guns to fight police and government oppression.

Victoria has been making several moves that benefit the shooters, fishers and hunters lately.

>>64415911
Victoria has both SFF and pro-gun Lolbert in the Upper House but they can't acheive anything because the Vic Liberals are all anti-gun innercity left-lite and will vote with Labor and the Greens against anything the SFF propose.
Thats why it had to be the Unions opposing Labor on duck hunting, as the Liberals wont do anything.
Watch the Liberals do nothing when the Lolbert's Castle Law petition gets enough names that it has to be debated - they'll pretend to debate but then when it gets to a vote back Labor, then run to tongue JohnHoward's wrinkled anus on banning guns.

>>64415930
Jacinta Allan is herself a shooter. Probably part of the reason Dan Andrew's duck-hunting ban disappeared with him.

>>64415930
Here are the Petitions for Castle Law.

NSW: https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lc/pages/epetition-details.aspx?q=Se3aflpZ9kIGgGmrViyocQ

QLD: https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work-of-the-Assembly/Petitions/Petition-Details?id=4267

VIC: https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/get-involved/petitions/amend-self-defence-laws/

>>64415949
>Jacinta Allan is herself a shooter.
Bullshit.
Proof pics?

>>64415818
>>64414467
Nothing beats a good old fashioned
Plus it’s far less crap to service or fix if something goes wrong

I have seen catastrophic malfunctions with release systems that basically render the entire firearm inoperable until it can be taken to a dealership , cant remember the exact model but one of them was really bad for it and if that happened in the field you’d be stuffed

>>64415778
>If you murder somecunt with one, they only charge you with murder, they don't add 'possess prohib weapon' on top because the extra 3months on a 30year sentence isn't worth all the duplicate paperwork.
if you use one for petty crime, then you will cop the possess prohib weapon charge and that was really the intention
Murder in any instance is far worse so yeah makes sense that they wouldn’t bother pursuing it as youre likely going to jail for a long time anyway at that point. So it’s not fully pointless for deterring crime, it will still result in much more charges and heftier sentencing

>>64416081
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/jacinta-allan-fires-back-at-questions-about-her-husband-as-she-defends-govts-decision-not-to-ban-duck-hunting-in-victoria/news-story/100ba52f9248d204f8ceb4386ca7ecfa

>"I have had a long-held view on this issue. I've been around this issue for the best part of 30 years as someone in my local community or as a local representative.
>"I've had this view, the same view. I've been consistent on this view for the entire time I've been a member of parliament.
>"We're in a modern age where I think it's expected that men and women who serve in the Victorian parliament come to the table with their own views, not those of their husbands."
>Ms Allan said while she herself has never taken part in duck shooting, she has "always had the view that it's a legitimate recreational activity".

Though I have heard from someone in Gov that she actually has gone duck hunting with her husband.
Looks like from a few articles, some committee said it should be banned, Labor leadership said no.

>>64415911
vic and qld are the only places to really live if you want freedom to own things, qld is for sure the one with the least regulations. I still think qld should ban gel blasters. Nsw is not far behind but they need to deregulate their appearance laws. Out of them all I think WA is the worst as in the most restrictions, even though Perth has a lot of guns they regulate them to a much higher degree. The recent moves by WA to make people rejustify are utterly ridiculous. The rest of the country should be laughing WA out of existence. They are a national embarrassment and if this happened in my state I would leave and tell everybody I know to leave as well

>>64416111
Yeah WA is fucked. No fun allowed.

>Recent WA gun law changes include requiring a health assessment by a GP for license applicants or renewals,
>restricting the number of firearms an individual can own,
>banning certain types of firearms like lever-release and button-release firearms, and most lever-action .22 rifles. >These changes, effective from March 31, 2025, are part of the Firearms Act 2024, which has faced significant opposition and is currently under review
If you’re not able to obtain a written authority to hunt on an approved land which has been subject to regulation based on land size and pest density, your license will be cancelled and you must surrender ALL firearms in your possession.

Western Australia has lost the fucking plot

>>64416120
they’re insane
If I lived in WA I would abandon it immediately

>>64416111
If they do this to the rest of the country i will do everything in my power to lobby against it for the rest of eternity in every way possible, that is 100% a promise

>>64416102
So, her hubby goes duckhunting to get away from the mad cunt.
That doesn't actually make her pro-shooting - she more likely nags the poorbloke whenever he's home.

Atleast when the Nats rort funds, its to go to Bridget's local shooting clubhouse.

>>64416102
>Ms Allan said while she herself has never taken part in duck shooting, she has "always had the view that it's a legitimate recreational activity".
For as long as Jacinta holds this position I will back her indefinitely and tell everyone I know that labour is the preferable party. She is an angel and I actually really like her.
Banning any sort of hunting is fucking retarded, and they all know that.

>>64416140
by comparison mark mcgowan and roger cook are basically both utter clowns

>>64416111
Kek when WA totally disarms itself, then the Chinks take it over to secure the iron-ore, rare-earths and LNG for themselves.
No cunt will do shot because nogunnz.
GayDF cant come save them because only one road and one railway across the Nullabor. Sascats have a plan to go innabush but cant really do shit without support.

Rest of Straya says: Suckshit nogunnzcunts, you vooted for this, not my fucking problem.

>>64416140
>as long as Jacinta holds this position
>as long as the * Unions [ >>64415855
] hold this position
Idk what she does or doesn't believe as most pollies will flipflop in a moment to whatever viewpoint the polling says will get them the most votes, but as long as the Union bullyboys want an excuse to own guns, it's handy for everybody else in Victoria.

>>64416140
The 'best' thing Allen has done for Victoria is the sudonigger gang crime rampages with machetes getting out on repeat bail.
A decade ago nobody in Progressive Victoria would be calling for Castle Law, which underneath means better use of guns laws to facilitate it, now every normie in the suburbs wants it even if theyre too gutless to buy a gun themselves.

>>64416140
>>64416129
>>64416148
Today's game of:
Fuck, Marry, Kill

>>64416140
>duck hunting committee recommendation ignored
>more rivers and lakes stocked with fish than ever before
>free fishing licenses for veterans
>free boatig licenses for veterans
>parts of national parks opened up to hunting
>fairly easy to get a shooting license (unchanged for years)
Victoria isn't all that bad as some people jest

>>64416241
In some areas, Victoria is better than Qld.
In most things they are equal but there a few differences e.g.:
.45ACPs for Classic IPSC or other shoots in Vic where Qld only has .38Super or necked-down .38/45
Without starting an interstate war, each state has a few better laws:
SA has no mag limits
NSW is fucked for most things but has non-commercial use of suppressors if you can get past the appeal tribunal.
Qld lets farmers OC pistols on their property.
If we combined all of them together things would be pretty good.
If we could get everything that was legal past Border cops.
Of course, if the cops got their way any new National Gun Laws would combine the most fucked bits of each states' laws instead.
>>64415958
And as soon as one state gets Castle Law it will spread to other states law courts even if its not Law because it becomes a defacto recognition that Humans do have a right to self-defence.

I had a chance to play with the some of the aussie-made rifles at the shop:
Taipan X was $1000 less than the Wedgetail, but still built quite well and the pump felt nice despite being round
Oceania Precision was very expensive and heavy but built extremely well
Wedgetail Mini was also well built but had the AR15 aesthetics and customisability that the other two didn't
I ended up going with the Wedgetail

>>64416360
Nice, I'm leaning towards the Wedgetail Micro for looking cool plus being a reliable pump action, but I'm holding off because there are supposed to be some AR-type lever-releases coming out soon.

I might have to buy both eventually - I want to check if the barrel-end of a L-R rig is the same AR-spec so it fits onto a standard trigger-group Wedgie pump...

>>64416381
I looked that lever-release by Eureka Gun Company. Interesting. Glad to see the lever is closer to the handgrip in the new revision. I saw an old video and it looked awkward, especially while prone.
Still looks like the finger is removed from the trigger to work the lever, which I don't like. The MPR is more ergonomic and shoots faster I reckon.

>>64412749
>Machetes [...] were reclassified to prohibited weapons requiring an exemption to possess
NTA but it's a friggin' sharpened metal bar with two pieces of wood/plastic riveted on. Jesus. Meanwhile in the US, I bought my Vietnam surplus machete at an estate sale (auction) with cash. Needing a loicense for that is kinda nuts; Harbor Freight has a peg rack of them up front for like $10-15 USD/ea, lol.

>>64412749
Would you be okay if they did this to guns then

>>64343879
>If you want to shoot guns join the fucking Army like I did you flogs
Holy shit, can't tell if this is an aussie shitpost or actual retardation; no thanks, I'm not going to join the army w/ no probable cause like there was in ww2. Everything after that is bullshit except maybe 9/11...

>>64419585
Lots of GayDF cunts want to pretend they're special and should be the only cunts to be allowed guns because they have "speshul training", when they basically can't do anything without following a specific drill and exact orders to do it, and then most don't even live-fire anymore as its all indoor play on computer-screens with fake-guns that have compressed-air 'recoil'.

>>64343879
American here. You are the worst type of gun owner...oh right you are a no gunz lmao. Anywho, gatekeepers don't deserve the same rights. Imagine saying this shit about any other right.
>hurr this is Australia m80m8m8
Being able to bear contemporary arms for whatever purpose you wish is a fundamental human right. Poofta.

>>64420244
local manufacturing disappearing pls understand

>>64416552
Eureka are also promising a conversion-kit version when they finish making the 9mm PCC version.
That will be interesting since it's supposed to be an unlocked blowback - it would be a terrible shame if it ever got a runaway...

>>64343741
>how can they deny or revoke you?
literally any reason they want
vibes are off that particular day?
denied
dont like the cunt submitting a request for whatever reason?
denied
flip a coin?
denied

>>64343879
>sport
>compete
>sport
>comps
>justify
>attend
i just want a big iron on my hip to be honest.
it can be a little 22 for all i care
the current laws are retarded and LITERALLY dont make any sense.
and as long as you dont drill into peoples minds from birth that they have a god given right to own and use firearms then i dont think it would become a problem

like imagine how fucked shit would be if cunts literally had a god given constitutionally reinforced right to drive WITHOUT A LICENSE
thats basically the only problem with the american system

>>64412749
>they arent banned
>you just cant have them
>and if you do its a crime and it will be seized

>>64420503
>local manufacturing disappearing
i mean... like... it wouldnt be if we could... buy guns?

>>64420308
this would be hotter if she was proper slag covering her saggy udders with the southern cross.
farrk...

>>64425001
> i just want a big iron on my hip to be honest.
it can be a little 22 for all i care
the current laws are retarded and LITERALLY dont make any sense.
and as long as you dont drill into peoples minds from birth that they have a god given right to own and use firearms then i dont think it would become a problem

like imagine how fucked shit would be if cunts literally had a god given constitutionally reinforced right to drive WITHOUT A LICENSE
thats basically the only problem with the american system

And this the exact mentality as to why you will never be able to own a gun and why eventually you will let them ban fucking chairs and forks

>>64425001
>>64425896
saaaamefaaaaaag

>>64425010
Ironically about the only new manufacturing in Oz since the government stopped subsidising V8 Falcons and Commodores is all the new companies making guns.
Warwick. Wedgetail. SCSA. Oceania. Eureka.
Plus all the companies making aftermarket parts to tacti-cool them and 7615s and all the turkish shotties.

>>64425896
Nah, back before 96 cunts could keep a loaded shotty under the bed and no fucks were given.
But most cunts didnt have to do that because there were fuckall shitskins running amok and nocunt had even heard of home-invasions.
Now we import infinity useless violent shitniggers and now even normies are starting to sign petitions for seppo-style Castle Laws and bringing back guns.
https://youtu.be/Uh4pApfXeaA
So:
>either we bring back the guns
>or we have another amnesty where this time we collect and dump all the shitskins in a smelter
I'd be happy either way, option 1 makes me safer, but option 2 makes everyone safer, including the old grannies etc who arent going to get a shotty or a 9mm in their handbag..

>>64425001
>big iron on my hip
Having done it overseas it's actually a pita to OC/CC every day, but it should be an option if you think your circumstances require it.

>>64427319
>Oceania
The thing I don't like about their rifles is that you have to take the weight of the gun in your right hand to work the straight pull. Fine while prone but not when standing.
Should've been on the right-hand side so you can bear the weight better with the left hand.

>>64427499
Agreed, they tried to stay 'pure' to the look of being a full AR15 upper with the brass deflector and dustcover on the RHS so could only cut a minimal slot on the LHS.
I suppose it would be okay for a left-hander, but they should have gone for a pump-handle in the forestock like the MPRs.
Or we just legalise putting a gas-block and piston on it.

>>64427564
>putting a gas-block and piston on it.
1. Buy an Oceania or a Warwick
2. Buy a Eureka
Put the oceania barrel on the eureka and you have a straight-pull that locks open every time you pull it back by hand.
>Boring.
Put the eureka barrel on the oceania and...
>Fun.

>>64426683
But I’m not

>>64425896
learn to reply properly you stupid groid

>>64427364
>a pita to OC/CC
Technically you can CC in Oz as a CatH.
>pistols have to be locked in a safe when not in use
>also 'secured' when not in the safe - so in use, or when transported
So, when I go to the range on my motorbike I 'secure' it in a shoulder-holster under my jacket.
>I'm not 'brandishing' and not 'going armed to cause fear' because nobody can see it under a closed bike jacket.
Spare mags in the offside pouches, because again they are 'in use'.
It's my responsibility that a criminal doesn't steal my pistol, or the keys to my safes at home full of other guns, so I have to defend against that theft of guns, so the pistol is 'in use'.
I also have a responsibility to prevent access to my safes and keys by unlicenced persons including robbers.
>Yeah, it will only come out if I have to shoot some nigger who tries to steal my wallet keys and shit who gets a big surprise, and like any self-defence in Oz even without a gun the cops will try to fuck me over for it anyway, but it is technically correct and the actual laws - not police 'opinion' - for storage during transportation are non-specific enough that it is a legit 'use' to stop the nigger stealing all my other guns by taking my keys.

>>64429269
That's the joke here, you can't defend yourself or family with guns, but you can secure valuables with guns.
Same when all the foreign celebs come here and want armed security. They just have one of their entourage carry a briefcase of spending cash, then the whole party can be defended by armed guards who are really only there to protect the money.

>>64429269
There is NO state where this is permitted you absolute clown.
Explain to me what the transport requirements are because I guaran-fucking-tee you that you'll find words to the effect of "locked in container" or "disassembled" or FUCKING BARREL LOCK. In every state. To prevent idiots like you from having immediate access to them in traffic situations.
>t. Cat H since 2010
Ditto for using pistols to defend ANYTHING. There's NO state where this is lawfully permitted (key word here being lawful) under a Cat H sports shooting provision.
Also - the ONLY time a pistol can be "in use" is at an approved range. Not ANYWHERE else including the home. You nogunz LARPing MORON.

Shot 88 and 90 last night, 3 points higher than my last highest score.

>>64428958
I did but your fucking plebbit spacing fucked it up

>>64430604
In Victoria the legislation is:
>https://www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdb/au/legis/vic/consol_act/fa1996102/#sch4

There are NO specific regulations in the Firearms Act 1996 for Transport, only for Storage under Schedule 4.

Then the VicPol website has the following:
> Safekeeping of firearms and ammunition while being carried or use. There are specific legislative requirements for the safekeeping of firearms and cartridge ammunition while they are being carried or used.
[No, there isn't - only Schedule 4 of the Act.]
>Regardless of the type of firearm, it is a requirement that a person carrying or using a firearm or cartridge ammunition must:
>Ensure that the firearm/cartridge ammunition is carried or used in a manner that is secure and is not dangerous.
>Take reasonable precautions to ensure that the firearm/cartridge ammunition is not lost or stolen.
>Safekeeping of firearms when being transported in vehicles:
>In most circumstances firearms should be transported safely by:
>Storing firearms in a padded or hard case.
>Firearms and magazines must not be loaded.
>Limiting the operability of the firearm and where possible, removing bolts, opening the action, or using trigger locks.
>Storing cartridge ammunition separately from the firearm. We recommend that you store ammunition in a lockable container while in the vehicle. You should keep any keys to the container in your possession.
>Keeping firearms secure and out of sight of the public.
>A commonsense approach to storing firearms during transport is essential. >Licence holders must immediately return firearms to storage when not in use or being transported.
>>This information should be used as a guide.
That's all "should", "recommendations" and "common-sense" (a legally irrelevant term), all of which have been written with NO ACTUAL LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY under the Firearms Act.
There is no 'unloaded magazines' or 'disassembled' or 'trigger-locks' or any other words in the Act.

>>64432137
Not him, but that's a far cry from lawfully permitting the open carry of a firearm during any other purpose than going to and from a range or gun shop.

>>64432259
It's not Open Carry, that is 'causing fear' to sóyboys and cops.
I said:
>>64429269
>you can CC in Oz
You can discretely carry concealed - in "common-sense, taking reasonable precautions, in a manner that is secure" as per the Guide.
Compared to following all the cops' recommendations and putting a number of seperate locked boxes of the disassembled trigger-locked pistol, the removed part, the magazines, and the ammo all 'safe as per the Guide' in the saddle-bags of my bike or even in different areas of a car.
That just means whoever steals my bike - either by just grabbing it or by waving a knife at me while unarmed - gets to take away everything as a surprise bonus.
It's actually safer for me - and everybody else he may rob later with my stolen pistol - if I discreetly CC under a zipped up jacked and then just pop in a mag and shoot the cunt if needed.

>>64430604
>Also - the ONLY time a pistol can be "in use" is at an approved range. Not ANYWHERE else including the home.
So, you take your locked pistol-box out of the gunsafe, put it in your car with all your other locked boxes, drive straight to the Range, take it out of the box, take off the barrel-lock, reassemble it, then check the sights, maybe fire a few shorts, then give it a clean and oil, take it apart again, put the barrel-lock back on, put everything back in the locked boxes, then drive them straight home without stopping to rush inside and put the box back into your gunsafe?
Sorry SuperFudd, but the cops will still charge you with failure to adequately secure and cancel your licence when some Somali kid knocks you off your walking-stick in your front driveway and steals your car keys.

>>64432464
CC sorry. But same thing goes. Nowhere does it say it's allowed. I can see what you mean that you could push that it's not explicitly stated that you can't, and vaguely (very vaguely) argue that it can be interpreted as 'possible' to do within the guidelines.
Though, good luck arguing that to success.

I'm all for advancing the law to allow home invaders and store intruders to be shot dead. I wouldn't go as far (for now) to want it applied to your person on the street.

>>64432518
No they won't. You're being silly now.

>>64432706
There are 2 underlying points.
1. Where there are no actual laws saying you can't do something, the cops will just invent their own bullshit guidelines that they will enforce anyway.
2. However the niggers get hold of your guns, whatever levels of security you have, the cops will always prefer to fuck you over rather than chase the niggers who took them.
So fuck it, you might as well just look after yourself and your property the best way you can.
The sooner we get Castle Law the better.
Until then, if you do have to shoot a nigger dump the body, and don't think that the cops are coming to save you or even help you.

>>64432706
>good luck arguing that to success
No, I already acknowledged:
>...like any self-defence in Oz even without a gun the cops will try to fuck me over for it
So if I ever had to defend myself I'm doing what the Sudo machete kids do - run away, burn my clothes, lawyer up, don't talk to the cops, I dindu fukkin nuffin.

That's the only advantage you have as the target in a random machete attack etc - there's no obvious link to you from your attacker, so in reverse there's no easy link from his body to his killer.

>>64431500
Pic so that it happened
>posted from my 3ds

>>64395078
They are fun :)

>>64432853
"Coons"

Smallest, quietest calibre/pellet tool to take out close range pest birds? These urban birds act like niggers, bullying away other friendly species.

>>64432931
'Bait-thrower' aka a rubber-tube slingshot or shanghai.
Best ones have the wrist-brace for stability and you get extra power without a bent wrist.
Simple ball bearings as ammo so even if cunts find them on the ground they just look normal unlike airgun slugs.

>>64432912
"*Cheers"

>>64432853
How do you even hasty sling with a pump?

>>64432992
Hah, you don't except for maybe one shot at a time. Otherwise it's just there because I like having a SADF sling on a SA gun.

>>64433064
only other way I can think of is using a single point sling attached to the fore grip.

>>64432853
That AR magwell on it looks odd and with a reverse mag release to an AR but overall it looks better than the AK/Galil style magwell.

>>64436143
I had one : )

>>64436143
What's that?

>>64436526
>I guess it's today's Daily pump.
Pump-up BB gun.
More common in the US where most slug-guns in Oz were break-open springer .177 pellet guns.
Funny that air-rifles can be semi-auto even for calibres over .22 and power-levels equal to .22lr but only farmers can hava a single Semi-auto .22 Cat C.

>>64427364
The 3 point plan:
>Run away squealing like a little girl
>Find a place to dump your pissed panties
>Post instas about how youre totally not rassist and refugees are welcome
We need Castle Law and Right to Self-Defence and start slotting floppies.

I want a Seneca Aspen or FX Indy
Neither of which are on the Australian market.

>>64436651
The daily pump
>and her rifle