Thread 64375730

when gideon's chariots 2.5 launches in 2 weeks can it win the war quickly if they go hard enough fast enough with these robots?
they got 5000 of these if even 50 are converted to robotic bomb carriers and work around the clock they can win by sheer momentum i feel. this is basically the dozer strategy on steroids - somewhat more expensive but way faster and safer.

>>64375730 (OP)
Pretty nifty strategy overall. Protected by small arms well enough so that by the time you can actually pen it to set off the explosives, it still close enough to do damage. Reminds me when Ziggers loaded up like 2 tons of explosives in an MT-LB, and despite still being a >100 meters from the Uke trench before it was stopped, it still did a significant amount of damage to the defenses

>ISIS style robots
That implies they aren't robots and are driven by a person who dies in the explosion. Isreal isn't ISIS and actually uses robots.
Level Gaza and all the people in it for all I care, sick of Muslims and left wingers crying crocodile tears over it

>>64375759
i dont think the protection is needed at all those m113s are mainly used because theyre plentiful and tracked so they dont get stuck on rubble easily.

the point is if they get into an ambush/mine sifuation they have enough explosives inside to injure/kill the attackers
>>64375768
isis didnt use robots?

it's basically the exact same explosive and amount as the oklahoma city bombing

>>64375784
They might have used vehicles with a brick on the gas pedal but most of their VBIEDs were driven by people

>>64375730 (OP)
Man those Gazans are imaginative fuckers, aren't they? Every week they claim there's a new ridiculously impractical strategy to wipe them from the face of the earth and yet they still persist after two years of it

>>64375807
>comparing terrorist attack to the most moral army in the world
Kill yourself abdul

>>64376109
my name isnt abdul you retard

>>64376176
My bad, Muhammed.

>>64376191
nope

>>64375730 (OP)
Any proof, or just the next unsubstantiated lie?

>>64376212
telegram channels covering the fighting constantly report on these strikes
pic is from yesterday, there's also a bunch of videos of idf soldiers filling up the plastic containers with explosives where the soldier says it has the texture of ice cream

>>64376250
So why aren't these bottling videos being posted, but just pictures of plastic containers behind a tank?

>>64376276
there are videos of the earlier versions >>64375784

idf arent publishing official data on it since it's not really a standard MIC weapon more like an improvisation by reservists. it's also constantly improving and changing so they dont wanna reveal secrets. early versions were just m113 full of explosives and towed to positions where a tank fired on them. now they drop the explosives out and are robotic which is less wasteful.

>>64376342
In the old video, I see a tank driving away from a metal container with the English word “Danger” written on it by hand, which makes absolutely no sense in an army that speaks and writes Hebrew.

And in the other video, two civilians, including a woman, are filling buckets with some kind of substance.

The IDF has enough bombs, they don't need to resort to such nonsense. And for years now, we have seen how ruthlessly the army is acting against the civilian population.It seems more like wishful thinking that the videos should support some weird stories. People who believe such stories based on such meaningless videos probably also believe in Pizzagate and a coronavirus conspiracy.

So I notice there is no evidence for the story. Okay.

>>64375730 (OP)
>>64375759
>>64375768
>>64375807
>>64376085
>>64376250
Why would Israel need to do dumb shit like this when they can drop a few Mk84s in the same spot? This reeks of gay brown multipolar global south turd worlder conspiracies especially with "muh ISIS style" line thrown in for good measure.

>>64376419
there's plenty of evidence and soldiers themselves talk about it on social media.

this is a standard tactic now used in small numbers in gideon's chariots 1 and scaled up for gideon's chariots 2 (which makes sense because theyre fighting in an area with much bigger buildings now, ones you cant knock down with a bulldozer without great risk of burying yourself)

>>64376474
a mk84 has less explosives, is far more expensive, doesnt have eyes, cant clear a road or deal with ambush sites. for dealing with urban warfare this is a much better tool both economically (ANFO is dirt cheap compared to any MIC explosives) and for achieving the goals of urban warfare like clearing an area before friendlies advance in.


it also scales, for enemy strongholds or large buildings where they suspect the enemy hides under or uses they pile up 4-6 of these 1 ton containers and have an even bigger concentrated explosion. this is also why in the recent operation there are explosions you can hear all the way from tel aviv because they combine many of these 1 ton bombs where's the IAF typically drops much smaller bombs with 200kg explosive (mk 83) or 400kg (mk 84).

and if it triggers enemy mines or is fied on by RPGs anyone within many hundreds of meters of it gets fucked

>>64376527
But none of the videos make it out of Telegram, right? I don't use Telegram myself; I'm not Russian, a conspiracy theorist, or gullible.

The IDF has easily destroyed 70%+ of the buildings in the Gaza Strip with bombs and artillery. There is nothing left standing, not even larger buildings. They really don't need to work with such weird demolition crews. The whole thing is unbelievable to outsiders. But with the right mindset, it is certainly further clear evidence to support one's own worldview.

>>64376582
>But none of the videos make it out of Telegram
does

>>64376582
>The IDF has easily destroyed 70%+ of the buildings in the Gaza Strip with bombs and artillery. There is nothing left standing, not even larger buildings.
nope most are standing. some places like rafiah, beit hanun, beit lehia are almost 100% deleted. khan yunis is like ~60% destroyed i think. deir al balah and that area is almost fully intact since no soldiers go there. in gaza city i estimate that over 1/4 is destroyed mostly the outer parts as the IDF is moving towards the denser center (now idf stopped, pulled out and encircled the city)

>with bombs and artillery.
vast majoirity of building destruction was done using dozers/excavators. you're greatly underestimating how much bombs and artillery rounds it would take to do this damage, the IDF uses all-guided air bombs and all-guided rocket artillery and even if they had lots of 'dumb' munitions those are still expensive af compared to a dozer tearing down buildings.

>>64376582
>They really don't need to work with such weird demolition crews
there is in gaza city, it has many much taller apartment buildings and denser urban areas if you send dozers/excavators there they will very likely get ambushed, enemy will try to kidnap troops (this happened, soldiers died in the north). the bomb robots solve this problem

>>64376527
You're retarded and this is easily provable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container
1 liter = 1kg
TNT density (because AFNO numbers are variable see below, 'tard and turd) = 1.65l/kg
Max TNT equivalent = 1650kg
MK84 fill = 429kg
Trintonal TNT equivalence = 1.18x
H6 TNT equivalence = 1.3x
MK84 TNT equivalence = 506 to 557kg
= Need 3 MK84s dropped at the same spot for TNT equivalence.

Risk exposure: F-16s and F-15s fly over uncontested, M113 means they need to drive an AFV in that can be shot up by an RPG and explode losing a M113 and troops. Flight hours on a F-16 or F-15 costs less than equipment losses of M113s or the economic effects of dead IDF conscripts.
Bonus round: You're still brown and have an IQ below 75
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#Relative_effectiveness_factor
>With ANFO or ammonium nitrate, they would require 1.0/0.74 (or 1.35) kg or 1.0/0.32 (or 3.125) kg, respectively.
ANFO is shit tier for RE and shittier in density than TNT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANFO#Industrial_use
>ANFO has a bulk density of about 840 kg/m3.
Meaning you only have 840kg in that IBC at roughly 1/3 RE = That's only 621kg TNT equivalence.

So you're transporting a shittier, more volatile explosive that while the bulk costs are less the handling/logistics/risk costs are insane by comparison to already made MK84s. MK84s literally cost a few thousand bucks.
No clue about how reliable these guys are but they claim ANFO is $0.25-0.35 per pound:
https://pmarketresearch.com/chemi/granular-anfo-explosive-market/
1kg = 2.2lbs = You're between $500-650 for the bulk ANFO
IBCs cost a couple of hundred bucks.
Your cost factor at best is 1/3 of a MK84.

Literally drop a SINGLE MK84 to achieve equivalent effects to ANFO in a plastic container. This took me only a few minutes to figure out using public info. Your claims are retarded and you belong on /pol/.

>>64376774
nah m113 is better
clears important axis of movement, clears mines, clears enemy ambushes

idf hav proven it in action over weeks now and will prove it again once the war resumes

There will be no more Gideon’s Chariot operations. Hamas has surrendered.

>>64379793
they didnt
the op is paused for a couple of weeks this literally happened 2 months ago too why the fuck do people have goldfish memories