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I watched a video on 5.45 and now I'm pretty curious about it. Some domestic brands already produce 7.62x39 as well as a bunch of foreign brands that could import (S&B, Prvi Partizan). Why can't we get anymore cheap 5.45? In the first place, why wasn't 5.45 more popular than 7.62 that companies decided to make it domestically? I've heard that PSA will be making, or is at least considering making it, which is unfortunate because their ammo is shitty. Also their AKs suck.

>>64378154 (OP)
>Why can't we get anymore cheap 5.45?
russia's chimp out
>why wasn't 5.45 more popular than 7.62
ressia was the biggest user, most combloc countries stayed with 7.62
AK74s only got popular here relatively recently and now that the ammo is drying up they are fading into obscurity. most ammo manufacturers don't see that much profit in making 5.45.

>>64378154 (OP)
>feet and pantyhose

>>64378202 (me)
tldr
>no cheap ammo = people no want
>people no want = no make ammo
>no make ammo = no cheap ammo

>>64378154 (OP)
Because only one loading (7n6) that was specific to the russian military and thus tied to russian factories was actually better than 5.56, you'd have to make tooling for it and there are no decent guns being made/imported for 545 (wbp sucks, reilly is psa tier) so it will always be less popular than 7.62x39, even ignoring the fact that you have 30+ years of 7.62 rifles being in the usa en mass

>>64378206
Where is the problem?

>>64378351
don't make me crank it again

Anyway, would fishing weights be viable in guns?

>>64378371
You have to go back to your containment thread?
>Anyway, would fishing weights be viable in guns?
WDHMBT?

>>64378391
>WDHMBT?
Got curious because I was in a fishing store and they had a giant lead ball labeled
>cannonball sinker
which looked like it could've been used in a canon, so I'm wondering for smaller sized balls in firearms

>>64378463
I'm sure in something like a musket it would be a great projectile

>>64378154 (OP)
Arken optics are fucking shit right?

Kinda want to build a boomer rifle reming 700 in a chassis and an arken scope

What's the best way to sell ammo, Gunbroker?
Just getting rid of old factory ammo. I'm not trying to sell any bubba handloads.

I’ve never shot a gun before.
What’s a good hunting rifle and what’s a good self defense weapon?
I’ll be taking classes eventually but I’d love some direction.

>>64378743
AWWW CUDE SNAKE :DDD

I'm not one to talk since I'm practically a nogunz, but a good hunting rifle would generally depend on what you plan on hunting, and a good self defense gun would depend on what you intend to defend yourself from.

To give you an answer: Random .308 bolt rifle and a 1911 or something

>>64378762
>practically a nogunz
Post guns

>>64378154 (OP)
S&B makes 5.45 but I'm not super confident in it since their 7.62x39 also sucks

>>64378206
like chocolate and peanut butter

This while board has gotten so much worse, it really genuinely from the bottom of my heart makes me sad.

>>64378743
>What’s a good hunting rifle
What will you be hunting, and where? .308 is a good general-purpose recommendation but a lot of places ban bottleneck cartridges these days. It's also serious overkill if you are mainly hunting small game.

>self defense
Home or carry?

I have 3 questions as a noobfag

>whats a good starter tac vest/plate carrier

And

>has anyone made a remake of the tec 9 and about how much should one reasonably pay for one?

I always wanted a tec 9, i know they're shit but I just want a cool range toy and i love 80s-90s era firearms.

I was walking through my grandparents' warehouse when I found this random ammunition on the floor.
>picrel with a coin for size reference
Can anyone tell me (or guess) what this is? or what weapon could use it?

>>64378154 (OP)
>Why can't we get anymore cheap 5.45?
In 2014, the ATF reclassified surplus 7N6 5.45mm as armor piercing pistol ammo, and thus it was banned from import. Before that, 7N6 was $0.15/rd. Commercial companies still make it, but not on the scale to make it cheap.

>>64379749
Starter cheapo loadbearing vest/rig, the FLC or TAP still hold up. You can buy FLC bundles with pouches on eBay. Plate carriers can be Mayflower, Beez, or LBT off the top of my head. I wouldn't get a plate carrier until you are actually getting plates.

>>64379749
Beretta PMX

>>64379787
It's definitely some kind of small shotgun shell, probably 9mm Flobert since those were the most common and the size looks about right.

>>64379749
Crye JPC 2.0

>>64379787
As the other anon said, some small bore shotgun shell
does it have any markings on its base? the brass end

>>64379787
Looks like a .410.

>>64380005
>>64380096
Ah, interesting. I don't recall anyone close that could have a shotgun or even a carabine.
Also, no markings on the brass part.

>>64380155
that has a centerfire primer so it's not 9mm flobert. It's probably 9mm centerfire then, like picrel. It could be some similar size though, they made those tiny shotshells in all sorts of different sizes. 7mm, 8mm, 9mm, etc.

>>64378154 (OP)
7.62x39mm got traction in the US market because a bunch of AKs and surplus SKS rifles got dumped here dirt cheap from the 1980s to about the mid 2010s, along with a sea of even cheaper surplus ammunition.
5.45 came along later and there was a wave of AK-74 parts kits/magazines/surplus ammunition but it wasn't present in the volume and timeframe that 7.62x39mm was. The Obama administration kneecapped parts kits and re-catagorized all of the surplus ammunition as "armor piercing handgun ammunition" because it is steel cored and ONE opportunistic FFL 07 made a single AK-74 pistol just so he could scalp some spam cans for a quick profit. Same later happened with 7.62x54mmR and a PSL pistol.

Anyway, whereas 7.62x39mm has unique shooting characteristics that make it a good bush rifle caliber, 5.45mm doesn't really bring anything to the table that 5.56mm can't already do. Because 5.56/223 is already so well established on the US domestic market, there isn't really much demand for 5.45mm guns unless somebody just really wants an AK-74. Most people are happy enough with a WASR in 7.62x39mm instead.
>>64378463
It is possible to smelt fishing weights into cast lead bullets, yes.
BP shooters and CASS hand loaders do stuff like that all the time.
>>64378743
>Hunting rifle.
Depends on what you plan to hunt which will determine the optimal caliber. Personally I recommend Howa 1500s.
>Self defense.
Pistol will probably be most valuable because it can double for HD and carry, but it depends a lot on preference. Glock 19 or 43X is a good place to start looking.
>>64379787
Given that a 5€ cent is .836" wide and that shell is about half diameter I am confident it's for a .410 bore. Those used to be very common utility/farm guns. Basically the .22lr of shotguns, although ammunition for them is far more expensive nowadays.

>>64378154 (OP)
What vehicle were designated to tow US 60mm, 81mm and 106mm mortars before 1960s when they were put on dedicated mortar carriers based of M113 & M59 APCs?

60s were light enough to be manhandled but when there was possibility, I assume they were thrown into the back of any jeep or truck, correct?
80s were transported on M2/M3 halftracks during the war, but there's still vehicle shaped gap before and after the war.
106s are mystery, I couldn't find any info on their towing/transports.

>>64381121
Officially, 2.5 ton trucks.
Reality, jeeps

https://web.archive.org/web/20110808101858/http://www.100thww2.org/support/cm/cmmortplt.html

>>64381152
The usual suspects, should have thought so.
Thanks for confirmation anon.

Gun shop offered $800 for a gun i want around $1500ish for but I can't find any private buyers. Should I just say fuck it?

>>64381121
Jeeps mostly, but questions like this are best initially triaged by learning to find and read Tables of Organisation and Equipment (US name).

>>64381642
what gun?

>>64378154 (OP)
>Why can't we get anymore cheap 5.45?
The primary user is engaged in an existential war and is also banned from importation in the US. Eastern Europe still has lots of surp 5.45 you just don't have access to it as an american since it's steel core which was banned under the obama administration in 2014.
>In the first place, why wasn't 5.45 more popular than 7.62 that companies decided to make it domestically?
China and Ruger. China brought in literal millions of SKS surplus rifles and billions of rounds of 7.62x39 from the 80s to the 90s. People started hunting with them as it's an effective deer round. Ruger capitalized on this and introduced the Mini-30 which was one of the first guns to push the cartridge for hunters.

5.45 came much later, the guns were super expensive or needed gunsmiths to make them viable. It's main appeal was it was a cheaper 5.56 for guys that didn't really care since it wasn't an AR-15 (I know) the guns made the entry point untenable for poorfags. Now we've reversed it where the AKs aren't that expensive compared to Gucci ARs or x39 imports but the ammo is essentially 308 priced.

>>64381779
Saiga AK. I know theyre shafting me because of shit like "oh what people really want is the original furniture" (mine came with tapco shit since it was unconverted) but they'll end up selling it at like 2k anyways because "super duper rare banned from import Russian AK!"
But i am desperate to get rid of this thing.

>>64382036
Unless you got some bills that need to be paid RIGHT NOW then I would hold dude, they are fucking you bad, you can squeeze atleast $1200 out of a Saiga 12.

>>64382036
try to negotiate I higher price, you probably won't get $1,500 but you should get at least more that a grand for it.
if that fails and you really just want it gone, take the money.

>>64378154 (OP)
Should I get a bolt action rifle in 308? Is 6.5 creedmoor a better choice? Is there any other caliber to consider a bolt action rifle in?

>>64380280
>ONE opportunistic FFL 07 made a single AK-74 pistol just so he could scalp some spam cans for a quick profit. Same later happened with 7.62x54mmR and a PSL pistol.
Holy fuddlore. That faggot deserves all the derision thrown his way because he's a shitbag, but the BATFE used the Polish Onyks as their basis for the 7n6 ban.
There were several that were brought in and put through the BATFEs wringer in order to import them.
That never happened as Radom/whoever was to import them (rumor was IO) decided not to, but that's the "commercially available" gun used as the basis for said ban.

>>64382116
.270 Winchester

but seriously, what are you planning on doing with it?

>>64380280
>>64382125
Also steelcore 7.62x54r isn't banned from import. It is however almost strictly Russian whose ammo is currently sanctioned from import.
But it isn't banned.
>Yet

>>64382116
>Tony Hawk Pro Skater: Urban Warfare

>>64378154 (OP)
am I just retarded or are people way too concerned with overpenetration in a home defense scenario? it's one thing if you live in an apartment or maybe some sort of condo or connected house, but if you live in your own house with space between you and your neighbors, wouldn't it be extremely unlikely for a bullet to pass all the way through your house and then actually hit someone outside? I guess it could also be a problem if you live with multiple other people, but what if you just live by yourself or with 1 other person that sleeps in the same room as you?

>>64382116
>target shooting of any kind
6.5cm
>hunting
.308, probably. But 6.5cm will still do fine. .308's only real advantage these days is energy within, say, 600m-800m or so

>>64382116
308 for ammo cost and mid range energy/penetration. 6.5 CM for long range accuracy.

Hunters have mixed opinions on 6.5CM as a caliber, joking that it is 6.5mm "Bleedmoor" but any caliber can be effective if you don't suck at shot placement and 6.5mm actually carries energy at long range a little better than 308 does. Certainly it is better than 223, 6.5 Grendel or 243 Win all of which can be perfectly effective depending on what you are shooting at.
>Some fudds honestly think you need 300WM for whitetail at 200yd.
>>64382130
270 is genuinely a really underrated cartridge just because it has been around a long time. For some reason used 270s have absolutely dick for resale value. Nobody wants them. I worked at an LGS and we had a few we practically had to give away just to clear shelf space, but the people that actually went hunting with them got great results. That caliber can take anything in North America.
>>64382196
Most houses are built of drywall with thin studs made of young wood that is not very dense at all. A rifle caliber like 308 for instance can easily get all the way out of a house, across the street, through an exterior wall and still carry enough energy to kill.

A scenario like that is unlikely, but even if it doesn't leave you with criminal liability (which is going to depend on the state) it can easily leave you with a lawsuit. You are responsible for every shot you fire. It makes sense to try and limit how far a stray bullet will go, especially if the performance isn't necessary. For instance 223/5.56mm can break up much faster than 308, but will still wreck shit at HD ranges so it doesn't make sense to use 308 for HD if 223 is an option.

Plus some people do live in a house with other people. You can't always be 100% sure they will be safely behind you if you need to shoot. Using ammunition that is designed to fragment helps reduce the odds of hurting someone you don't intend to hurt.

>>64382366
>the people that actually went hunting with them got great results
I know. I am one of them.

>>64382366
In the context of drywall and a suburb, 223 is pretty much equally as much of an overpenetration liability as 308. In both instances the answer is that you need to use frangible or semifrangible rounds, which are available in both calibers.

>>64382397
https://youtu.be/rTrv7CxR3Ak?si=KP4M5M6yNXGtaSYV&t=54

Do arrows usually go all the way through deer?

Does anyone have the photo of the Japanese girl who shot the hostage target and only the Hostage target?

>>64381642
>>64382036
Keep Sega

Fellow poorfags, how much do you spend on ammo each month? Im trying to also save up for body armor and a plate carrier, plus a better optic+light for my rifle but im honestly pretty low on ammo

>>64382196
>or are people way too concerned with overpenetration in a home defense scenario?
Correct. People seem very worried about it, yet if you ask them to name a single incidence of it happening they are clueless. They might start frantically googling for examples to justify the worry found in their defective heads.

>wouldn't it be extremely unlikely for a bullet to pass all the way through your house and then actually hit someone outside?
Yes. That's why you never hear about it on the news. And the crazy thing is that people will tell you fuddlore like:
>you can't use an AR, that will overpen, use a handgun instead
...while IRL the lightweight, fast-moving AR bullet is a much *lower* overpen risk than a 9mm hollowpoint out of a handgun.

Much like people panicking about "lead poisoning", while there are underlying concerns you should be aware of, the hype is mostly an emotional reaction to facts the person doesn't truly understand. I'm not telling you to pray-and-spray with M2 AP if you're located next to a children's burn hospital, but yeah these things are overblown a lot of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSP0uZ61QDo

DOES ANYONE HAVE THE PHOTO WHO SHOT THE HOSTAGE TARGET INSTEAD OF THE BAD GUY TARGET?

Nogunz neverserved here; I've occasionally seen some people say the APC is an obsolete idea or other such things. What exactly is the logic behind saying something like that? Wouldn't it always be good to have a relatively cheap, speedy way to get people from A to B with a little armor between them and the rest of the world? I have never seen anything like that said for the idea of the IFV I think.

>>64384628
The reality of a warzone is that a vehicle can't always just unload passengers and then speed away from danger. It is also unrealistic to picture some queue of soldiers waiting in a safe area for APCs to return and give them rides in waves.
The reality was that APCs were already being used as support for infantry that stayed in the fight. Especially with examples of the M113 in Vietnam.
Switching to IFVs was doctrine catching up to reality.

>>64384689
Aah, I see. Because I have never served, I unconsciously imagined APCs as frequently hanging around with infantry anyway, just as you describe. Ultimately, IFVs make more sense to make because it is simply better to support the infantry than to have something light going back and forth, and even the back and forth is only in theory. On that note, is the APC truly obsolete as an idea? I still think it's nice just to have a cheap, robust armored box with a gun on it.

>>64384770
Well, every military disagrees, so.

>>64384784
Fair enough. Thanks anon.

>>64383517
I think overpen is a just-in-case thing where you're worried about other people in the house, or maybe you don't want to pay for both carpet replacement AND fixing up the walls.

Is Black Hills really worth it, or are they just riding the fame from Mk262

Howdy, /k/

I have a new in box Savage 110 Tactical, black Accustock, 20" barrel, chambered in 6.6 Creedmoor. I bought it in 2019. I've never fired it, never mounted a scope on it.

I also have a new in box Vortex Diamondback 6-24×50 scope. Never mounted it on anything.

I'm considering selling them. What sort of prices should I ask for/expect if I sell them?

>>64386539
>6.6 Creedmoor
goddammit...I obviously meant to type 6.5 CM

>>64386020
No factory ammo is worth it

>>64386541
Damn, value just plummeted then, thats a rare wildcat

>>64382790
This one?

>>64386539
You should unironically keep and use the savage as an excellent deer rifle

>>64386539
>I'm considering selling them. What sort of prices should I ask for/expect if I sell them?
The answer to this question is always the same: go on gunbroker, do a search for completed listings, now you will see what people are actually paying for them.

Working on a cartridge display. Can't find a few calibers as dummies. How safe is it to have a live round sitting on a shelf?

>>64389001
I have about ten thousand sitting in my closet and have had for almost twenty years and nothing unsafe has happened yet.

>>64389001
Normal cartridges are very safe. Cartridges are difficult to set off, and even if it did go off for some silly reason it wouldn't do much other than make a bang like a firecracker. Without a chamber to contain the pressure there is no real power generated.

>>64378351
>tfw never getting a girl like that
why even exist?

>>64389001
Perfectly safe. It takes either a sharp impact on the primer or a fire to set one off. If it does, the casing blows apart into small fragments that don't do much and the bullet doesn't achieve enough velocity to be dangerous.
>>64386539
Depends on how you plan to sell them. Private party would probably be about 75% of what you paid, selling it to a dealer would get you closer to 50%. I recommend offering the scope separately. On the scope I'd expect 59% at best because scope technology/prices move fast and most people assume all used scopes are broken in some way (there's no way to be sure it isn't unless you actually mount it in a gun and use it). Few people are willing to buy a used scope unless they know the seller or it's a stupid good deal.

Whats the largest commercially available universal holster? Looking for something big enough to hold pic related for cosplay. I'm too retarded to craft something and I'd prefer to just buy something rather than have something custom made. I don't have the prop in hand atm, but once I do, I'll make another post with measurements.

>>64384152
This one?

Where to find used Aimpoints?

>>64378154 (OP)
What’s the best way to mount a scope to an SKS? Recently won an auction for a slightly bubba’d SKS with original norinco scope and dust cover mount. Unsure about the repeatability of zero on these, though. Will it hold zero if I remove it?

With the weather getting cooler, I’d like a decent carry holster recommendation for a CZ SP-01 with a TLR-1 HL. Anyone know of any?

Recommendations for a spotting scope. I want to see impacts on painted steel targets at 1500 yards. Will probably be light scratches without very dark impact obvious marks. Hoping for good mirage penetration and general optical quality. Weight and size are not a big consideration. Here’s a pick of 308 at 800 yards. Will post a second pick of the same 308 at 500 for reference.

>>64391079
Crap. I’ll rotate this and hope it works. 500 yards has obvious impact points on white painted steel targets. I’m basically trying to see if the paint has been marred out to 1500. I’d be okay with 1200-1300, but hoping to see indications of impacts at 1500.
I have used a flashing reactive indicator, but where I shoot the mirage can get so murky that I’m not even able to see the color differentiation through the scope (Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18), thus I’m trying to verify hits/dope using a spotting scope. Mil reticle add on would be great. Looking at vortex Razor and Burris so far. Budget 2k

>>64391096
I hope this entire post is upside down. To clarify, I often can’t see the green flasher through the scope and have to verify most probable impacts by using a spotting scope.

Anyone know if a 9mm 1911 mag spring will fit inside a Hipoint 995 mag? My 995 mag springs keep fucking snapping, I know that Glock 43 mag springs are compatible but they don't have them in Canada whereas the 9mm 1911 springs are readily available

Why is a thermal clip on better than a standalone thermal unit? Isn't the scope just zooming in on a screen with a limited number of pixels, how is this better than just having more digital zoom.

>>64379749
This guy >>64379828 is a dumb fuckin' know-nothing asshole. The PMX is nowhere near the TEC-9. However, it IS a comparative bargain. You'd be paying around the same amount, but TECs are sadly jamomatic garbage, whereas I've heard few complaints about the PMX.

how does a private party transfer work in California with off-roster guns?
is it a simple handshake and money transfer in front of an FFL dealer?
or am i gonna have fees up my ass just to own the thing?

>>64390749
You don't think that any ol' universal holster might look like dogshit?

>>64389001
What series of events happened to make you want to set up a cartridge display while also being so ignorant about cartridges? I would have thought anyone going through the effort of making something like that would be big enough into firearms to know the answer even if they lived in a cucked nogunz country.

>>64391271
Fees up your ass and iirc a waiting period. I bet Wumbo would have a better answer.

i may be in need of a 80% jig
not the polymer 80s but those old AR15 80%ers

is there any site or possibly second-hand store that could have those?
they were trending a while back but since have disappeared

>>64391357
>but those old AR15 80%ers
>old
And with that one word, here I am searching for that saving private Ryan gif where the guy ages 60 years in 3 seconds of film.

>>64391271
You still have to pay PPT fees and do the normal DROS procedure like you would for a regular transfer. But you pay less fees than a non-PPT transfer because you don't have to pay excise tax and FFLs aren't allowed to upcharge you on PPTs by law.

>>64391136
>Why is a thermal clip on better than a standalone thermal unit?
It's not "better" per se, it's more convenient. You can easily remove a clip-on thermal leaving your normal optic unaffected.

>>64391079
>Recommendations for a spotting scope
Celestron C90

I'm going to be rattlecanning my ar Ral8000. What should I tape off vs remove? How should I wet sand?

>>64391338
most that I've seen are black nylon, which works since it'll be going on a black alice rig. Gonna weather the shit out of everything anyway.

How do you guys have your forward sling mounting points setup on your rifles? Closer to the receiver or further up the handguard?

>>64391271
Same as PPTing an on-roster pistol.
No, you don't just do a handshake deal at a dealer. You have to do paperwork and wait 10 days to pick it up.

The cost isn't actually a problem because they dealer is required by statute to do the transfer and capped to only $10+DROS fee (which is $31.19? or something like that now). Things can go up if you don't have your FSC on hand or if you need to buy a cable lock.

Pro tip: Plan shit in advance.
1) Check if/when/how the dealer wants to do the PPT. They all do it but at $10 profit they lose money and it is way more work than a normal sale so they all hate it. Some are cooler about it than others. Many have a mile long list of policies to discourage you from trying. You'll only know this by calling and checking in advance.
2) The roster doesn't matter, but the AWB and NFA still apply. I've seen people roll in with stocked AR pistols and others with pistols that have threaded barrels. Be sure what you are buying is actually legal to own.
3) Have your documents in order.
>CA DL or ID with Real ID or US Passport.
>Valid FSC, or some document that supercedes it like a CCW or FFL 03+CoE.
>Secondary proof of residence because this is a pistol. Check what the dealer accepts IN ADVANCE because it's very confusing and arbitrary.
>Make sure none of these documents are expired and your name matches on everything.
4) Make sure the seller has their shit in order as well. They just need a valid Real ID or DL/ID+Passport.

I have worked in a CA FFL and I have done hundreds of PPTs. I've also had to reject a lot up front because one thing or another is out of whack.
Having everything ready to go makes the process much easier and it really makes a huge difference. Holding up the line scrambling around for paperwork while I have other people wanting to buy guns/ammo is ridiculously obnoxious, because those are sales I could be making. Don't be that guy.

>>64392737
Just checked now and DROS fee is $37.19, plus $10 that means the transfer is $47.19 as long as you have everything you need when you come in.
I haven't done this in a while so I was a little out of the loop. CA increases these costs frequently just to money grab while punishing gun owners.

>This all sounds mega gay.
It is. Entirely and intentionally by design.
>Dealers suck.
It's a bad situation because it is a ton of work and it is very cleverly designed in a way to encourage animosity between dealers and customers. If a dealer is PPT friendly they very quickly become a destination for a huge crowd of people trading guns back and forth who will PPT them to death because they'll be too tied up doing transfers for $10 a pop rather than actually selling inventory. They are legally just as liable for private transfers as a sale, but there are 30% more things to get wrong and get fined/shut down for because they also have to collect seller information. Not just buyer. Everything gets audited.

It sucks for customers because this means dealers try to find some way to limit these PPTs and it feels like there's no place willing to do a transfer at all unless the stars are aligned and both you and the other party are able to jump through 65 flaming hoops and pull of a perfect fusion dance.
>Why not move out of CA
Not everyone has the luxury. I escaped from Hotel California, but other people have jobs/homes/families to deal with.
>Why not just ignore the laws and do whatever.
People do it a lot and usually you can get away with it for a while. California has limited resources to enforce all of it's laws, but shit does catch up eventually. If you have anything non compliant you are always at risk if you get caught. If have to use one of your guns to protect yourself, you are 100% going to be under a microscope and the smallest discrepancy will get the book thrown at you. That's just the risk you take when riding dirty.

Is an Eotech good as a general use optic like in place of a red dot? I don't have any night vision but I've been thinking about buying one soon.

>>64393172
Yeah I love my 512, currently lives on my stribog. Very crisp reticule and plenty bright enough, plus they just look cool.
Only complaints are battery life (vs my other optics) and they take up a lot of rail estate, but I doubt that’d ever be an issue on your typical flattop carbine.

>>64393172
>Is [one of the two most proven CCO brands] good?

Yes, they are very good. It really depends if you are willing to drop the kind of cash needed to get one, but if so they work great. If you aren't magnifying and aren't astigmatic, then as a first CCO (I'm making this assumption) it's kind of overkill and you won't shoot any better with it than with a range of cheaper optics. As you've identified, some of the key features won't be of any use to you. Eotechs are also reasonably durable, but not the level of tough of Aimpoints, so if the idea is an end of the world build where the rifle doubles as a club it isn't the optic to go to.

Is there any store in California with Glocks in stock?

>>64393172
Yes, arguably they're better at speed and parallax, but dots are typically cheaper and have longer battery life.

Found this on an album of Japanese milsim LARPers. I know it's fake but they are usually pretty autistic about getting gear right. Does anyone recognize the camo of the middle two guys (it's not UCP-D)?

looks like digital flecktarn

>>64394202
>>64394216
it looks kind of like bulldog tactical "mirage"
I don't know where they got it.

>>64394397
Yup that looks like it, and that search showed guys in Afghanistan wearing it, which tracks for Japanese milsimmers finding and copying the most obscure stuff.

>>64393815
Probably a few, but you better call around and ask. They are drying up quick.
What part of California are you in?

Also, whomst the fuck waits this late in the game to get one? Have you had your head buried in sand the whole time? Did you think they wouldn't pass and sign that law? I don't even live in California anymore and I'm more aware of what is going on there than most CA gun owners.

>>64394504
Man, this is going to get shreked in SCOTUS (in like 10 years)

>>64378154 (OP)
Super beginner question, but is it true that when you're forming your grip, your wrist and forearm must be aligned like top of picrel? It doesn't feel comfortable or natural at all, and my fingers can't reach the trigger very well on most guns that way. Maybe I just have baby hands.

>>64391647
Thanks for the reply. I looked at them. Interesting. Do you have one you’ve used as a spotter and how has it been if so? Kinda funny I’m shooting in an area where astronomy viewing is great.

Would a 556 mag dump be enough to kill a rhino or a hippo? If you hit their shoulders would you at least be able to slow them down enough to dodge them, reload and mag dump again? What about 308? I know it’s stronger but I don’t think you’d be able to land many shots with the recoil.

>>64395054
>Would a 556 mag dump be enough to kill a rhino or a hippo?
technically? yeah. would not recommend it though.
.308 would be much better, not perfect, but it would work.

What gun is this?

>>64395162
I think thats a 80x cheetah or a centurion berretta

>>64392737
>>64391419
>>64391349
thanks guys
ill call up some local gun shops to see which ones are down to do a PPT

>>64394994
The higher the recoil, the more important hand/wrist/arm alignment are. You want the recoil to go smoothly up into your shoulder in a straight, predictable line. If you hold it off-center like the bottom picture, the gun twists in your hand. With a light-recoiling round in a heavy gun, it just bounces the gun around a little. That'll tire out your arm and make it much harder to get consistent follow-up shots. With higher calibers and/or light guns it starts twisting the shit out of your wrist and can wind up injuring your thumb or jumping out of your hand.
You want to line up the "pocket" in your thumb and the forearm bones through your wrist; once you finally feel it, it's gonna feel like the most natural way to hold the gun.
>my fingers can't reach the trigger
You should be using the pad on the tip of your finger to pull the trigger, not the crease between the first and second pads. That one *does* feel unnatural for a minute until you get used to it. Again, using the joint instead of the pad of your finger to pull the trigger is likely to yank the muzzle around while you're shooting. Trying to pull the trigger with the second pad or the joint is usually what causes your arm alignment problem in the first place, you can see it in your picture.
Try going to a range and renting/borrowing some guns with slimmer grips to see if they feel better in your hand.

What does it even mean when you need to "find the ammo your gun likes"? Are microscopic flaws in barrel making that significant or are some barrel makers so quick to put out visibly flawed products that we have to find out what grain the gun "likes" to cope?

>>64378154 (OP)
So why don't they make a smaller-caliber cartridge specifically for a double-stack 1911 that won't have a fuck wide grip? Like straight-walled .30, or .25, that's a pissing-hot load to compensate for the loss of mass? I mean if the external diameter of the barrel is still the same as the .45's, it should have thick as fuck walls, and should be able to take a hotass .25 cartridge, right? But the grip thickness would be reduced compared to a double-stack .45.

>>64395537
Sometimes the first thing sometimes the second thing.

>>64378154 (OP)
Because 7.62x39 is about .30-30 but different and americans like that. We prefer 5.56 over 5.45 because they're too close and we have it already.
There is no real 5.45 SKS numbers and market either so that didn't help.

>>64392806
>I escaped from Hotel California
NTA but that's good to hear, how's it feel?

>>64395537
A well built gun will eat anything. Only rifle I own that's picky about what I feed it is my shittty 10/22
>>64395162
famas

>>64394504
Nta but my head has been in the sand a ton with family deaths etc, what's going on?

>>64378743
$300 turkshit 1911 and a Ruger American in .308

>>64395000
>Do you have one you’ve used as a spotter
Yes, I have one. They're considered something of an entry level telescope for people doing serious astronomy but they also happen to be a really fucking good terrestrial telescope. There are tons of various attachments and lenses you can get get for them to change the magnification, change the angle of the eyepiece, mount cameras, etc. I've used them for watching nature and also as a spotting scope, they are awesome performance for the money.

>>64395054
Kill it? Yeah, absolutely. Kill it before it kills you? Quite likely not. Even an animal as small as a deer or a hog can run pretty fucking far after taking a 308 unless your shot placement was good.

>>64395537
>What does it even mean when you need to
To determine, by experiment, which ammunition is the most accurate and reliable in your gun.

>Are microscopic flaws in barrel making that significant
As far as accuracy goes, it's not so much about flaws as it is design choices and tolerances. Some guns have tight match chambers, others have sloppier tolerances ones designed for milspec ammo. Some have slightly different throat geometry. They may have different twist rates, and different harmonics due to the barrel length being different.

>>64395162
>nigger, if I ever catch you at this Popeye's again the only pop is gonna be this 9mm in your eye

>>64395941
Thank you. I’ll order one soon. If I decide it’s not the right thing I’ll still have a cool telescope to mess around with when I go camping/shooting. If it works as well for me as it has for you then I will have saved a ton of money.

>>64395054
Remember, when you're a conservationist switching to your deagle is faster than reloading,

>>64378476
I want a musket or blunderbuss specifically for the purpose of shooting all manner of nonsense out of it. Ammo cost will just be for powder and flints

>>64379284
What most upsets you over it

>>64395162
Front sights are weird. I suspect a squirt gun.

>>64395850
Big one is all 3rd gen Glocks are getting banned starting 1/1/26. Even if it does get reversed, they are going off the roster so that's K.O. for the one brand keeping relatively affordable pistols on the market.
After the ban is in effect they are non transferable, so you can't even PPT one.

They will require full DROS and tax on barrels starting 2027. This is new grounds because they are treating an item that is not regulated as a firearm under federal law as if it is, and it has a lot of potential to expand to other parts like magazines if not successfully challenged.
NJ's regulation of BP guns and airguns is the closest precedent. This is why letting a bad law exist in a different state is a big problem, gun control needs to be torn out by the roots everywhere.

More storage requirements and encroachment of CCW restrictions. Basically salami slicing gun free zones until you can't legally carry a gun anywhere even if you do get a carry permit.
>>64395162
Looks like a Beretta M1934.
>>64394541
They definitely factored that in. By the time there is any successful challenge the damage is done. 3rd gen Glocks will be off the roster and probably out of production.
>>64395843
Definitely a massive improvement in terms of gun rights. I carry every day, I own what I want to own, I have public land 15 minutes from my house if I don't feel like shooting at a range. Guns are dirt cheap too.

Guns aren't everything though. Not having California's hand in my wallet for things like car registration fees, state income tax and exorbitant rent is a game changer too. I am making a lot less money though so financially it's about a wash. Not everything is an upgrade but so far I'm glad I made the jump. I only wish I had done it about 10 years sooner because I'd have paid a house off by now.

>>64396494
The fixation on "cruciform trigger" is such classic political buzz wording. Given that aftermarket triggers for Glocks without cruciform trigger bars exist. Clearly they had an intern read through diagrams to find a vaguely technical and scary sounding part of the design.

>>64396511
An aftermarket trigger would take the pistol out of the configuration in which it was added to the roster. CA even argued that Glock is absolutely welcome to re-add their pistols to the roster with the trigger and backplate design modified such that they can't accept an auto switch.

They know damned well this would also mean adding an LCI and magazine disconnect which Glock is not going to do. They kept the 3rd gen in production and on roster specifically so they wouldn't have to make a California specific gen 4 or 5 series with those features. This is a targeted attack on legacy models on roster before mandatory safety features were added, and sets a precedent for knocking specific popular models off one by one in the future. Basically once Glock is out of the market they move on to Sig, CZ, Springfield and everyone else.

Would wearing one of those camera gimbals on your waist be viable for attaching to a heavy rifle to lighten the load? I'm assuming the only reason the military doesn't do something like this is due to extra bulk/weight, but surely something can be figured out

>>64378154 (OP)
Hey /k/, I'm looking into doing some small upgrades on my M4gery with a carbine gas system. I had my LGS look it over and they said everything (barrel, bcg, wear surfaces, etc) are in great condition so I don't need anything like that. The trigger is really good for a milspec as well. I was looking into it and I went down the H buffer and improved spring rabbit hole. If my carbine already ejects at or near 4 o'clock with most loadings, would an H2 buffer be overkill? Would I be better off with an H1, and are flat springs just hype?

>>64396397
Based Dangerous Game Hunter.

>>64396772
>i want upgrades
>i don't know what
>i appealed to some authority and he said i don't need any upgrades
>my rifle works fine as is
>are these good upgrades?
Don't be a dummy.

>>64396772
it sounds like your rifle is fine, don't just change things for the sake of changing them.

>>64396772
none of it matters h and above makes it more reliable for f/a you gun isnt f/a and will never be.
standard ass buffer is fine for semi

is we gettin caseless ammo in our lifetimes?

>>64382116
308 first, after you start hitting 400-600 yards out consistently and want to push to 1000 get 6.5 if you still want it

What is the longest range weapon you can own legally? Indirect fire included.

>>64399108
Caseless ammo is retarded

>>64399592
Legally in the US you can form 1 a full on artillery gun to register it under the NFA as a DD. It is legal, but between storage, transportation and the difficulty/cost of getting shells it wouldn't be practical. Some people actually do it anyway, though it is usually with relatively small howitzer guns that they reload their own shells for.

Biggest that would be practical with stamp would probably be a 20mm rifle.
Longest range without doing tax stamps would probably be a rifle in .416 Barrett. It is necked down from 50 BMG but has better flatter ballistics and therefore a longer effective range. 50 BMG was never originally meant for long range precision.

>>64394504
No one has Glocks in stock. Most were probably bought up by flippers so Cali anons can expect to see NIB Gen 3s listed for $1500 in a couple months.

>>64399592
>>64401003
Pretty sure you could theoretically register a ballistic missile as a DD.
Just make sure it's ground-to-ground, after 9/11 the feds freaked out and wrote a bunch of absurdly draconian laws regarding any and all forms of anti-air missiles.
Even "conspiring" to buy an old Soviet-made IR-seeker head for an R-60 on Ebay (just part of the guidance system, not anything explosive) carries a sentence of 25-years to life in prison in the Land of the Free™.

Have rifles basically plateaud for civilians? I guess it can be argued that something like the XM7 is an "advancement" but no civilian is going to spend $4k for a heavy ass rifle with shitty, expensive ammo. How far can the AR go?

>>64401292
The fact you can buy a complete PSA AR15 for $500 and a red dot for $100 is amazing especially factoring inflation. Things will probably not be better in our lifetimes.

>>64401292
Rifles have basically plateaued generally. People have been saying as much for years. You get small tweaks and adjustments but nothing fundamentally game changing. The real advancements now will be optics and accessories. You can get thermal optics without having to do weird grey market digging for $2k and NV optics for $1k when just a decade ago they were unobtanium for most people.
The XM157 shows a blueprint for a multirole smart optic, and while it's absurdly large and not easily obtained privately, the tech is just going to get smaller and cheaper and somebody will make something like it for the market I'm sure.

>>64401292
I think we're at the peak of rifle development barring caseless ammo or even faster-burning powder. Just so long as you don't demand 20" ballistics out of 5.56 coming out of a 14" barrel.

>>64401292
I'm assuming what you mean to say is "has the AR basically solved things from an end-user perspective."

Which is to say, yes. Outside of a drastically different layout design that hasn't been fully explored yet, like bullpups, ergonomically the AR pretty much nails all the stuff any operator could need and is so customizable it can cover anything you want, as well. The only reason the AK is still around the civilian market is Soviet aesthete fetishists and the fact that 7.62x39 doesn't like ARs for some reason.

INTERNALLY there will still be a decent amount of difference between guns but that's all spec sheet and practical stuff that doesn't translate well to a game like Call of Duty. But they all still tend to look like ARs and the ones that don't are deliberately trying to make themselves look different (805 Bren) or are ARs with a proprietary furniture kit (ARX-160).

>>64401803
This really. To be honest most small arms (shotguns, rifles, pistols, revolvers) have been solved for decades. It's worth mentioning they are more economical than ever but no, there haven't been any major technological developments in many years.

>optics
exactly. You can walk into a a sporting goods store and buy a thermal scope that would have been science fiction a couple decades ago. Scopes with built-in rangefinders and ballistic computers exist. It won't be too long before an "aimbot" scope is reality.

>>64402228
>It won't be too long before an "aimbot" scope is reality.

The Smart Shooter SMASH is already available to militaries. When you are pushing the button the activate it and pulling on the trigger it won't fire the weapon until scope calculates that your POA is a hit.
Another example of tech that exists and just needs to be replicated in the civilian market.

>>64402624
At what point does warfare itself become redundant and then all that matters is high profile, but targeted assassinations?

What CLP does the US army use as of 2025? Pic related was used by them some time ago.

How much can a rim be rebated before problems are encountered with the bolt picking up the next cartridge? Are there any other issues that rebated rims present? Can a rim be rebated even more than 50 beowulf (1.2:1 base to rim ratio)?

Picrel, the most severe example of rebating I’m aware of.

>>64402624
How does that aimbot deal with wind?

>>64396543
>>64396494
I guess they're trying to get as many bans as they can before they all go out of window as gun control looses momentum. Fucking disgusting people.

>>64396494
There's no pride in running away from the frontlines. They want you to get the fuck out instead of staying and fighting and they succeeded in that.

Californians need to figure out how to vote all these demonic faggots outs.

>>64403548
>vote
Lmao
That state and all blue states are straight holding US citizens hostage at this point.
It's getting crazy out there

>>64403548
its really hard when the majority of voters are dumb fucks
if prop 50 passes it's genuinely the end of California

>>64403833
I think either way we'll just send national guard there to arrest everyone for being anti-american.

>>64403531
NTA (obviously) but that's sort of retarded. People have been saying stuff like that for years but what options do you have? Stay and get raped in every way while six million spice pour in and vote nothing but Democrat? Break the law and risk serious jail time for something the majority of the country can and always has been able to own without issue?

Any idea what kind of optic I could attach to this .22lr semi that wouldn't ruin the look?
Old slim and long hunting scope maybe?

>>64404405
I think an older scope with a fairly small objective like you mentioned would look pretty good. Some early model red dots would look pretty good too, like a Trijicon Reflex 1x24. A March Tactical Shorty would look great too, though that is $$$.

>>64404422
yeah the gun was 150 bucks, guess I'll scour the second hand market and also keep a lookup for old red dots

if the average person went back in time to the 1770s and tried to explain nuclear weapons to people, would anyone believe them?

>>64404467
Millions of people believed the Mahabharata.

I’m wanting to paint my firearm like pic related. Where would be the best place to get that kind of paint?

>>64403531
It isn't about pride, I made as much of a difference as I could while I was there but I got a better job and an opportunity to move for a better life in a wide variety of ways other than just gun rights. I wasn't going to pass that up just to keep helping people stay armed working in an LGS. Although I did find that job extremely rewarding it really didn't pay enough for me to do anything but cover my rent and utility bills.
>>64404063
Besides gradually sliding into poverty I was getting a lot of customers who were first time buyers because of one story after another about the police basically giving up. There would be violent robberies where the cops can see it happening but literally look the other way like that old cop from The Town when he runs into the robbers dressed up as nuns, or cases where they would outright refuse to take a report because it would make them look bad. There was a growing certainty in my mind that sooner or later some scumbag would fuck with me and I'd be in a world of legal hurt if I tried to do anything about it, while the police would never lift a finger to help me.

The political futility is all but cemented in place as well. California is solid blue no matter what happens or how bad it gets. Democrats have fully secured their positions of power and can steal/neglect as much as they want with no fear of being voted out. Prop 50 only further reinforces a system of corruption and abuse that has been in place for decades now, it wouldn't fundamentally change anything.
It is a managerial state made manifest.

The same happens in different ways in solid red states as well, which is why I personally like purple states where both Ds and Rs have to not be too overt about their corruption because they actually have to fight for their positions every election cycle. Doesn't do much good to escape a situation where you are getting fucked in the ass just to get throat fucked every day instead.

>>64390993
searching for a holster for my SP01 has been a nightmare. Every one I have tried has either been chinkslop with terrible retention, boomerslop that doesn't fit the SP01 (it fits the 75B, even though they claim it fits the SP01 too), or it's some expensive POS from trex arms that doesn't have the level 3 retention that I want. Good luck, and good luck finding one that fits your light too. If you find one that fits, please make a thread about it, I would love to see it.

>>64404834
> paint
that looks like titanium anodizing

>>64404467
>This newly-discovered metal, in sufficient quantity, harnesses the fundamental forces of the Universe to erupt into a potent electro-aetheric blast capable of destroying cities
>It emanates poison vibrations but can be shielded with lead, gold, and certain waters. If concentrated correctly and placed into a curious engine, it gives off great heat and eventually transmutes to an even more potent and terrifying form
>I know this smacks of alchemy, an irreasonal madness, but in verity it does this and more.
>The Lord in his wisdom divided and rusted the metal to prevent the Savage and undeveloped mind from grasping it. We, in our newfound enlightenment, can - with great care - refine it and harness it for steam to do the work of ten-thousand score horses and men
>...Or craft bombs of power sufficient to remove mountains, shake the very foundations of the land, and salt the Earth below for a hundred generations
>It is Zeus' thunderbolt, the arrow of Ramah, the Thunderbird of the Red Man, and we shall possess it once more. May it serve us better than it did them.

>>64386539
>bolt action
>tactical
brilliant

My lgs is having a cookout. Not really interested in going, but is this how I join a militia?

>>64404834
That isnt paint and getting even a half way similar effect is super hard.

>>64408545
>>64404995
That's clearly not titanium anodizing given that is an It's an aluminum motorcycle engine cover. That is some kind of PVD coating.

There is paint that resembles that though, it's commonly called "chameleon" or color-shift paint. Any auto parts store will have the cheap stuff, the specialty shops that cater to auto body guys will have the better stuff. It's very popular among urban youth.

How do I get with this black woman I know? I'm going to take her to the range when she gets a few days off next month.

does anyone have that image which has two anime girls from strike witches being gay on one side, and on the other side its about winning the war in rhodesia with an image of army guys looking happy, titled something like "every man has 2 sides"?

>>64410388
Take her to KFC

>>64378154 (OP)
cute feet

SWEET MOTHER OF CHRIST I FINALLY FOUND IT!

>>64404834
you can do something sorta vaguely like that with gun candy chameleon or cerakote FX, or if you want that exact specific look then you need to take it to a gunsmith who does titanium nitride PVD coating

>>64395349
NTA but how on earth can you even do that when the geometry of the "correct" shooting puts the gun at an angle to both forearms? or was isosceles always a meme and weaver the one true stance?

>>64395349
nta but how is first pic even possible if the basic geometry of "correct" stance requires the pistol to be held at an angle to both forearms? or was isosceles always a meme and weaver the one true stance?

How does a bullet’s BC change when moving from a secant ogive (radius = 2x tangent radius) to a von karman ogive?

>>64403517
Someone please answer my question, if you know. It’s very interdasting to me.

Thanks bros

>>64411464
You're confusing one-handed and two handed stances.

>>64411836
>How does a bullet’s BC change
Go read Bryan Litz books

>>64411836
>Someone please answer my question,
Your question makes no sense because it implies there is some black-and-white relationship between rim diameter and whether or not it can feed. That's not true. Go read Chinn.

Is it true that the original AK-47 blueprint doesn't actually have "47" in the name? Is it really just Avtomat Kalashnikova?

>>64413741
The nomenclature was retroactively changed to prevent confusion between 47s and 74s.
That's why the AKM is just that instead of AK-47M which is how the convention would be if "47" had been part of the name at the time.

>>64413967
Wouldn't including "47" later on facilitate confusions with the 74 though? It seems like it would be easy for overworked commie staff to get the order of those two numbers wrong when requisitioning materiel.

>>64414011
No one ever accused communists of being smart

Set to inherit my dad's guns soon (he's fine just legally not allowed to own), should I make a thread whenever I do? Don't know what he has but he did tell me to sell anything I dont want. However I am a little apprehensive about doing so since I don't really feel like they're mine to sell. I think I'll need help determining what to keep and how much I should sell whatever for.

>>64414074
I guess make a thread. Definitely go through everything and do deep cleanings and inspections. Remember, if you hold onto a gun you can always sell it later, but if you sell it then it's fine with no takebacks so always lean on the side of hanging onto guns.

I was introduced to the concept a while ago from another thread on here, but how come the constant recoil system isn't used at all? It seems like it would be extremely useful

>>64415049
It only really makes sense for a gun meant to be fired on full auto from the shoulder. For the military, that is a pretty tiny slice and 99% of militaries look at it as not worth the trouble. For the civilian market basically nonexistent.

>>64415049
Most guns aren't f/a and even if it was f/a the actual time spent firing f/a is extremely short

Is it possible to be worse off wearing a plate vs not when getting shot? Are there documented cases of it happening? What I'm thinking:
>Plate not sturdy enough to stop the round
>Projectile pre-mushrooms before entering the body
>Still has enough energy to go through and through
Vs
>No plate
>The same round of the 1st scenario doesn't even have time to fragment/expand
>Zips through with a much smaller diameter wound

>>64415631
they way you describe it, no. but I do remember something from the battle of mogadishu where a ranger was shot in the back and the bullet traveled through him, hit his front plate and rebounded back into his body. don't know how accurate the story is, but it's the only thing a could think of.

>>64415655
Sounds crazy, bullets really do some funky stuff. That story reminds me of the vid of the US grunt getting hit in his helmet, and the bullet just travelled along the curve of helmet missing his head completely.
But in theory wouldn't my original question make sense? I mean, of course you would still want to wear a plate anyway but there's a lot of FMJ stuff that wouldn't have time to expand if it just went through ~6" of flesh

>>64415686
>But in theory wouldn't my original question make sense?
if the bullet is strong enough to penetrating the plate it shouldn't deform much. the only exception I can think of is if it's a very large, heavy and soft projectile that penetrates do to it's weight. in that case you are still very dead.

>>64415631
I don't know if that's an observed phenomena with plate armor, but it was a concern for kevlar frag vests. They were never designed to stop rifle projectiles, and theoretically they could make the wound worse by destabilizing it on impact. Ultimately it was decided that an unprotected rifle hit is still really bad and being hit by explosive fragmentation is far more likely in the first place, so the use of kevlar vests remained. Modern military body armor tends to incorporate a mix of rigid plates over vitals and kevlar around the sides/edges.

Recently used AAC 150gr FMJ-BT to do a 200 round break-in on a new bolt action 308. It worked for that purpose and the velocities started to stabilize toward the end. But, still very inconsistent. Min/max spreads were well over 125 and SDs were 35 at best. Most groups were worse and these were long strings of slow fire. 10-40 round strings chronographed with a Garmin. Still made consistent hits 500 and in, but further out it really made an impact on elevation(heh).
Obviously the bulk AAC blue box stuff is crap for precision and I knew that when I bought it. I have quite a bit of other and mostly better ammo I can use and test for results next time, but not in the same quantity. So here is the QTDDTOT:
What is the best ammo for 308 you consider “budget/cheap” considering general precision and consistent velocities?
I’ll post results and impressions from testing the various cartridges from my next time out. Interested in what you may have gotten good results from so I can add that to compare.

>>64412923
Original anon here. Does the wrist-forearm alignment still matter as much for two handed shooting? Whenever I've seen videos of people explaining the alignment, they showcase two handed shooting, which led to my confusion since their form would be isosceles either way.

Anyone know what this is? My dad said it is a russian pilot armor he got from Thailand flea market 20 yrs ago, I want to know what exactly is it

A question to those of you who are into cowboy guns: Which grips did you found to be the best for you and why? I'm talking plow vs bisley vs birdshead vs 1860 grips. I've found the plow grips to do well for me, but since I'm looking to work on a SAA for my needs, I'm curious how the other grips fair for reference's sake. Thanks.

>>64415938
Found it, It's ЖЗЛ-74/ZhZL 74 russian stabproof vest my dad also said it's just the front plate that he got it for 10$

>>64378154 (OP)
I have this chip (and another similar one) on a brand new barrel. Looks superficial at the moment, but are there any potential issues that can arise at higher round counts? (Like cracks forming, pressure issues, etc.)

>>64416368
Non-issue. It's completely fine.

>>64416378
thanks

>>64415917
>Does the wrist-forearm alignment still matter as much for two handed shooting?
It matters, but not as much if you shoot with the Isosceles stance. The wrist offset is canceled out because you're holding the gun with two hands. If you shoot 2-handed with the Weaver stance then it matters more.

>>64415975
depends on the caliber and size of the gun. They all have their specific purposes
Plow: designed for one-handed shooting from horseback. It's meant to rotate in the shooters grip under recoil so you can cock the gun with the thumb of your shooting hand while you use the other hand to control your horse. It's fine for small and medium calibers, but a plow grip in a hard-recoiling caliber is a very bad idea.
Bisley: optimal grip for target shooting & open carry
Bird's head: found on smaller guns for CCW.

I say it mostly comes down to what caliber you pick. If it's spicy then go Bisley, otherwise use whatever you prefer.

>>64378154 (OP)
So it's the guys in Recon battalions ride in these or just the guys in Force Recon companies?

>>64416571
Makes sense. I'll be going to the range soon enough, so I'll try applying what you said in >>64395349. Thanks for the replies Anon.

Is there a consensus on which ambi AR lower to get? Might be able to snag a Griffin Armament for cheap.

>>64406986
>My lgs is having a cookout. Not really interested in going, but is this how I join a militia?

>>mfw afraid of going into non-chain gun stores because of how weird small businesses are, especially when you don't buy anything

Would mounting the vampire apkws system on a m113 be a good idea? It seems like a decent way to offer the venerable metal box some much needed firepower and drone protection.

>>64416582
Thanks anon for your insight, have a great rest of your day.

>>64418701
apkws is for shaheeds, not fpvs

How retarded is this?
>handguard with integral bipod
I kind of want one but it seems kinda flimsy.

>>64418825
I had one for my mdr and it was quite sturdy

Why do most people put pistol optics on their shotguns? Is it just size, or is it because $100 rifle dots (Holosun 403, Romeo 5) are not designed for shotgun recoil?

>>64419369
most rifle sized sights are for an ar and the height over bore makes them unsuitible for shotguns.

>>64418565
Griffin is gud, proceed.

>>64419391
For some optics eye relief is also a concern. A lot of rifle scopes have fairly short eye relief, and if you shoot a stout shell you can very easily hit yourself in the eye with the scope. I don't know if they are still a thing or not but they used to make special shotgun scopes intended for hunting deer with slugs or shooting turkeys, these had extra-long eye relief compared to a rifle scope for that reason.