Thread 64382161

By roughly how many years behind the West (MBDA, Saab, Kongsberg & US MIC Giants) are ziggers on their recent most missile models as well as their most abundant ones from late cold war era? I feel like they keep recycling early cold war era blueprints and then add some small sensor claiming it's a civillizational performance transforming hyperslop upgrade.

Their most recent SAMs are S-400 and S-500. Not really sure what to think of them

Kinetically they're ok missiles, very high Δv, but they're still using early 1970s for a lot of their critical missiles instead of "refactoring" the electronic of their missiles like other countries do.
There's so much you can do with semi-digital controls or even purely analogue-electromechanical...

>>64382161 (OP)
My ill educated opinion is that it's not a question of the designs holding anything back, it's a question of the designs being held back by manufacturing technology and brain drain.

>>64382252
They lack the latest microchips. This is a huge cockblock to EVERYTHING. Missiles, fighters, radar, warships, tanks, ATGMs, anything with electronics. Remember, military electronics tech is always 1-2 generation behind consumer tech due to focus on stability and hardening. Essentially, the Ziggers are stuck with 1960-70s electronics vs the West's 90s-2010s versions.

>>64383225
>latest microchips
They lack MOST chips. You don't need latest AMD Epyc for few actuators. A simple MCU like one in Arduino will do. An there's not restricting those. It's the highly specialized ones e.g. you need a 10000fps image sensor with entire supporting pipeline of chips up to SDRAM. Without your industry you can't do this and there wont be one on AliExpress either. So your rocket can only fly a pre-determined modes hard-wired in analog circuit.

But as the semiconductor industry developed and offered better options Russia simply bought those leaving Soviet industry in decay. E.g. one plant that did complete production exclusively for military chips switched over to Chinese silicon doing only the bonding and packaging part and dismantled the rest. AFAIK the logic was that military plant is not supposed to take civilian orders thus no development.. but now buying foreign chips is OK.

>>64383225
>>64383262
What do you need microchips for anyway? The US's ATACMS uses microchips from the 70s.

>>64383225
>They lack the latest microchips
>>64383262
>They lack MOST chips
No they don't, China is supplying them with military grade tech and intel.

>>64383435
Correct, this is why Russian weapons systems have such superior combat performance compared to NATO garbage.

>>64383435
>The US's ATACMS uses microchips from the 70s.
Well, a ballistic trajectory is the equivalent to a "straight line", you don't need a lot of computing power if you simplify your missile with a nice and aerodynamic shape, a few corrections per second in the worst case is enough.
But that is for the INS ATACMS, anything with GPS will require a anti-spoofing and high accuracy receiver that needs a 'beefy' DSP capable of million operations per second. But the GPS receiver is just a module and people tends to ignore the processing power of "modules", the F-22 or F-15 are another example, the main computer isn't faster than a Pentium IV but 99.9% of the processing power is done by modules only sending the result (like a very accurate location of a target and type of target) and for a current fighters is in the order of 100 thousand million math operations per second to one trillion.
>TLDR: you don't need a lot of processing power for some tasks but anything related to sensors/radio/radars will require absurd amounts of processing power.

>>64383225
>They lack the latest microchips
The fuck are you talking about, most military tech is using shit that is thirty years out of date.

>>64382231
Yes,

Instead launching around all these little transformers and analog clicking parts a circuit board and a computer can handle a lot of functions for more cost savings and weight reduction which matters in some of these systems.

>>64382161 (OP)
The Russians possess a highly capable arsenal of missile weaponry that has more or less performed adequately on the modern battlefield. The systems they field are definitely comparable, if not better, than many Western ones. I wouldn't say they're behind us at all.

>>64385180
Impressiev.

>>64383435
>The US's ATACMS uses microchips from the 70s.
That's why they're getting replaced with PrSMs with chips from the 2000s.
>>64383625
did you read the whole thing before making this idiotic reply

>>64382231
at least it's aesthetically pleasing. In a scifi setting I much prefer that kind of electrical wiring claiming to be able to do wild shit than the usual green breadboard with quantum ballsacks