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Anonymous No.64383303 [Report] >>64383309 >>64383322 >>64383446 >>64383475 >>64383530 >>64383664 >>64383681 >>64385427 >>64390016 >>64391688 >>64396472 >>64399703 >>64412582 >>64413345 >>64417172 >>64420460 >>64426608
>three volleys a minute
>wins
Was it that easy?
Anonymous No.64383309 [Report] >>64383418 >>64384180 >>64391071 >>64391688 >>64395584 >>64395723
>>64383303 (OP)
The whole spitting ball into the barrel was stupid
Anonymous No.64383322 [Report] >>64383331 >>64383530 >>64384417 >>64395584 >>64412476
>>64383303 (OP)
>three volleys a minute
theoretically possible, but barely achievable on the parade ground and theres no way you could maintain that rate of fire on the battlefield even with a fresh unit of veterans for even a single minute
Anonymous No.64383331 [Report]
>>64383322
You seem mad, frog
Anonymous No.64383418 [Report] >>64383686 >>64384180 >>64395584 >>64395723
>>64383309
Clearly they grievously misunderstood how opening the cartridge works
Anonymous No.64383446 [Report] >>64395584
>>64383303 (OP)
>Was it that easy?
No and he would have killed a bunch of his soldiers with his stupid reloading technique.
Anonymous No.64383475 [Report] >>64383488 >>64404228
>>64383303 (OP)
they say is was big part of drill to replace ramming rod, because if you lose it you are disarmed.

first thing I'd have done is issue everyone a spare rod(or two) and a way to semi-secure it quick and easy, and unconsciously. Like when I was a carpenter and replacing hammer back into nail bags.
Anonymous No.64383488 [Report] >>64383545
>>64383475
looks easy.

do like I said with "loose" ramrod and you could do 6 a minute, no sweat.

Where is SHORT video of Sharp's?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbfhtw8VwA
Anonymous No.64383530 [Report] >>64386751
>>64383303 (OP)
>>64383322
you guys are misunderstanding. the actual 3 rounds a minute is not the whole point. the idea was that in order to achieve or get close to 3 rounds a minute, it would require a disciplined man who is unfazed enough on a chaotic battlefield that he can steadily reload and at speed without major hiccups. that's soldiering.
Anonymous No.64383545 [Report]
>>64383488
Thats a significantly more modern gun than the ones used in the napoleonic wars
Anonymous No.64383664 [Report] >>64383670
>>64383303 (OP)
I thought it was 4 shots a minute
Anonymous No.64383670 [Report]
>>64383664
Yeah, they're Sharpe posers
Anonymous No.64383676 [Report] >>64397438
i hate throwing this term around because it's such a misnomer in almost every single example but not this time - the french were the good guys during the napoleonic wars and the entire western world has suffered greatly with the death of napoleon, as did rome with caesar
Anonymous No.64383681 [Report] >>64383828
>>64383303 (OP)
Anonymous No.64383686 [Report] >>64384180 >>64395723
>>64383418
>no ram rod
memememe
Anonymous No.64383752 [Report] >>64384119 >>64384416 >>64384559 >>64386751
Why did Sharpe do him dirty?
Anonymous No.64383828 [Report]
>>64383681
>He said you lost the King's Colors
>The fault was not mine Sir, Major Lennox by answer...
>MAJOR LENNOX ANSWERED WITH HIS LIFE! AS YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE IF YOU HAD ANY SENSE OF HONOR!!!
Anonymous No.64383881 [Report] >>64383946 >>64383958
>dying for a flag
>honor
truly deranged times
Anonymous No.64383946 [Report] >>64383958
>>64383881
the flag exists firstly as a rally point so that you know who you're supposed to be grouping up with if you were to get separated (enabling you to get your shit together again in the event of being routed), but perhaps even more importantly as pre-radio IFF so that commanders have the slightest idea what the fuck is going on in the battle, and the different regiments know who you are and which side you're on: if they receive orders to reinforce the 12th Foot, for instance, they can just go towards that banner instead of having to go around the field asking everyone they meet which regiment they are)
this means that losing the colors in battle is a huge deal because it fucks up your regiment's ability to function on the field
Anonymous No.64383958 [Report] >>64385820 >>64391688
>>64383881
>>64383946
oh yeah also Sharpe (and basically any other media covering the same era) represents linear warfare and the period in general about as authentically as Monty Python and the Holy Grail does the middle ages
I mean hell, the first post in this thread was about how Sharpe doesn't even understand how to load a musket properly
linear warfare only seems nonsensical to people in current year because their entire understanding of it is based on films made by equally clueless people
Anonymous No.64384119 [Report]
>>64383752
Bad writing. I'd rate it worst than the gold hunting episode.
Anonymous No.64384180 [Report] >>64384463 >>64390130 >>64395723 >>64430717
>>64383309
>>64383418
>>64383686
There are documented cases of it happening in the US War of Independence but not in the way depicted in Sharpe.
Musket would be primed and then they'd put the cartridge into the barrel and then struck the butt of the musket on the ground to load it. There was no spitting of the ball.
Anonymous No.64384416 [Report]
>>64383752
Shouldn't have caught a frog bullet with his jaw
Anonymous No.64384417 [Report]
>>64383322
3 rounds a minute isn't too hard if you're well trained and keep your nerve. Some troops could do 4 rounds per minute on a good day. The problem was that the South Essex was made of nepotism and graft so most of the men were barely trained.
Anonymous No.64384463 [Report] >>64384529 >>64390130 >>64395723 >>64397983 >>64411075
>>64384180
>There was no spitting of the ball.
NTA But you proved the guy you're responding to is right; spitloading =/= taploading. BTW, to do the technique you mentioned, you needed a smaller ball than what the gun was supposed to take, using a .68 or .65 ball on a .75 musket or using a .50 ball on a .58 musket, so you'd lose accuracy with taploading.
Anonymous No.64384529 [Report]
>>64384463
It was kind of the point of the post. The examples of it also in action that can find all appear to be with users of the brown bess which would be the one musket that such a technique should be easier to do.
Anonymous No.64384559 [Report] >>64384566 >>64391688
>>64383752
Sharpe and Aubrey Marutin series have in common the fact that all the stories/parts are shit tier when there's a woman involved.
Anonymous No.64384566 [Report] >>64384572 >>64390089
>>64384559
Add Hornblower to the mix
Anonymous No.64384568 [Report]
Post the
>immediately upon siting a Sharpe thread
pasta. I lost it.
Anonymous No.64384572 [Report]
>>64384566
How could I have forgotten? Quite right, /k/omrade.
Anonymous No.64384599 [Report] >>64384676 >>64391688 >>64395740
Who is a bigger luckshitter, Sharpe, Hornblower, or Aubrey?
Anonymous No.64384676 [Report] >>64384737 >>64385338
>>64384599
Show or books?
Sharpe is surviving off of all the lives Sean Bean lost in other shows and movies.
Hornblower is one giant autist.
Aubrey is legit just Thomas Cochrane with his exploits toned down for reading as nobody would believe the shit he got up to could have happened.
Anonymous No.64384737 [Report]
>>64384676
Let's say both books and movies.

Hornblower is the bigger luckshitter for me because he gets promoted to flag rank way, way too early for it to be possible.
Anonymous No.64385338 [Report] >>64385596 >>64395805
>>64384676
Aubrey is actually convincingly written as competent. Hornblower is ok but, frankly, the writing in the Sharpe series is a rung or two below the others.
Anonymous No.64385427 [Report]
>>64383303 (OP)
Only if you look this good.
Anonymous No.64385596 [Report]
>>64385338
I do like how the first few chapters of the very first book when Aubrey gets his ship is just seeing how big of guns he can get on it and the quartermaster being in on it.
Anonymous No.64385820 [Report] >>64386506 >>64387098
>>64383958

>oh yeah also Sharpe (and basically any other media covering the same era) represents linear warfare and the period in general about as authentically as Monty Python and the Holy Grail does the middle ages

I think that's a bit mean. You have to give the Sharpe TV series at least some allowances for being produced on a 1980s-1990s ITV budget. I don't think Yanks appreciate just how little money there is in British television, even more so back then - never mind a shoestring, it's not even a single fibre. For an example, I recommend that you look up a late-70s spy TV series "The Sandbaggers" (it's easy to find on YouTube). It's a great show, but it's so hilariously cheap that they try and pass off the side of a quarry as the Rock of Gibraltar and in an episode featuring an aeroplane hijacking they literally show a plastic model of the plane - they couldn't even afford to take a trip to the local airport and film some B-roll on the tarmac.

Anyway, ITV did their best with what they had, but you're really expecting too much if you want every episode to be on the same scale as Sergei Bondarchuck's Waterloo. When all you can afford is one busload of re-enactors for the weekend, you make do.
Anonymous No.64386506 [Report]
>>64385820
british lost media televiison has some fantastic shows on youtube.
Anonymous No.64386751 [Report]
>>64383752
Because the guy writing the script had to cut some corners. In the book Sweet William comes off as a fantasist who's just assmad his bubble got burst.

>>64383530
No, the idea is that the shitey French conscripts were trained to 3, and the side giving fewer volleys wasn't going to be coming off well.
Anonymous No.64387024 [Report] >>64387098 >>64387123 >>64387172 >>64387351
>it's another james bond of the napoleonic wars butchering evil frenchies by the millions while ploughing a hot spanish flunkie
you bongs are so butthurt after the 100 years war you simply can't keep the french out of your head.
Anonymous No.64387098 [Report]
>>64385820
Sharpes Waterloo even reused reversed footage from Sharpes Eagle. Budget was just non existent.
>>64387024
>Frog hands typed this post!
Anonymous No.64387123 [Report]
>>64387024
Malding frognigger
Isn't it about time you begged nigel to save you in africa again?
Anonymous No.64387172 [Report] >>64387338 >>64387447 >>64387789
>>64387024
The 100 years' war was basically a civil war. Had the plantagenets won, they'd have moved the capital to Paris and turned England into a French colony. By 'Losing', England ensured its independence from France.
Anonymous No.64387181 [Report]
I like Sharpe. As a frog. Plus dragoons are depicted as based and efficient, even if plot armor is protecting Sean obviously. No biggie. 80s frenchies hatin' UK TV shows are not a threat. No borders and a country full of brownoid muslisms are.
Anonymous No.64387338 [Report] >>64391738
>>64387172
England must never merge with France!
Anonymous No.64387351 [Report] >>64389150 >>64391738 >>64395589
>>64387024
And IRL the brits contributed jack shit on land. Sure their fleet kept Napoleon locked in Europe and made him soread his forces. But in Wellingtons army there were always way more spanish and portuguese in the Peninsular war, and germans and dutch at waterloo. Redcoats were at most 25% of any force. They werent even present at Leipzig.
Anonymous No.64387447 [Report] >>64412633
>>64387172
more like the exact opposite but whatever
Anonymous No.64387789 [Report]
>>64387172
This is actually probably correct, it would be the same as the merger of Scotland and England, which nominally put a Scottish king on the English throne but actually made Scotland entirely subordinate to England.
Anonymous No.64389150 [Report] >>64389160
>>64387351
They put in backbone and training. There's a reason they were under Wellington's command, and it's because they didn't do very well under their own and unsupported by professionals.
Anonymous No.64389160 [Report] >>64389167 >>64389171
>>64389150
The land war was won by the Prussians, Austrians and Russians. The peninsular was a sideshow with armies not numbering more than what some Corps were in the main theaters. It was useful in that it ate up manpower and resources Napoleon couldnt use elsewhere. But the Brits were not the ones who defeated Napoleon. As I said, they were not even present at Leipzig, where the allies fielded 360,000 men and broke the back of Napoleon's army. Waterloo had less than 100k on either side and even then the forces under Wellington were majority Dutch, Saxon, Hannoverian and other allied states, with the Prussian army under Blücher being decisive in the end, as without them the French would not have broken and retreated.

Anglo fucking propaganda.
Anonymous No.64389167 [Report] >>64389176 >>64389186 >>64426620
>>64389160
They were at Leipzig though, despite being a small contingent, and the whole reason those allied states were there in the first place was British Coin and the blockade.
Anonymous No.64389171 [Report] >>64389186
>>64389160
You were specifically talking about the Penisnsular War and Waterloo dipshit.
Frankly my take on Napoleon is we should have just let him have his retard playground and waited until it inevitably fell apart. Same for Hitler.
Could have taken back the colonies for all the effort put in and got some real benefit instead of the usual centuries of salty wogs mad they needed help.
Anonymous No.64389176 [Report] >>64389178
>>64389167
Yeah, Austria and Prussia only fought the French because the British paid them to. Do you expect anyone to believe that?
Anonymous No.64389178 [Report] >>64389187
>>64389176
Adjust for inflation and pay them back then.
Anonymous No.64389186 [Report] >>64389199
>>64389167
Yeah, typical Anglos using gold to pay for other's blood rather than fight themselves. Then after it's all done, hog the glory and pretend they did it all themselves. Prussians and Dutch at Waterloo? Never heard of them, it was all the British Grenadiers!

>>64389171
Because those are the only theaters the Brits deployed ground forces in a meaningful capacity. Even in italy and the egyptian campaing, it was all fleet actions. And I agree. If not for the damn English we could have had a Pax Europeia and be a united and strong continent centuries ago. Rather than be divided against ourselves and kill millions of our own in retarded world wars.

Enjoy brexit, faggots.
Anonymous No.64389187 [Report] >>64389223
>>64389178
Fuck off faggot, the biggest contribution the English had was Trafalgar, which was huge, focus on things that actually matter and stop making petty rage bait post, it's just pathetic. If your next post is more of that, no one will respond.
Anonymous No.64389199 [Report] >>64389204
>>64389186
>we could have had a Pax Europeia and be a united
lmao
Anonymous No.64389204 [Report] >>64389223
>>64389199
>what was the Roman Empire
Just allow a Caesar to do Caesar things.
Anonymous No.64389223 [Report] >>64389238 >>64389340 >>64389353
>>64389187
If it wasn't for the Peninsular campaigns the dagoes would have just rolled over and guess where those French armies would be headed.

>>64389204
>what was the Roman Empire
Yeah exactly, what do you think would have happened to that if they'd taken all their provinces by force in one lifetime?
Anonymous No.64389238 [Report] >>64389278
>>64389223
>Yeah exactly, what do you think would have happened to that if they'd taken all their provinces by force in one lifetime?
Under Napoleon? Well it was half working. We dont all use the Napoleonic system of law and drive on the right side for no reason. His reforms were reasonably popular, he may have pulled it off. Under Hitler? Depends on how much genocide he could get done before the Meth killed him. Then you would probably get Wars of the Diadochi 2.0 but with the Wehrmacht, SS, Italians and whatever nations were able to scrap an army together.

I firmly believe the Germans would be ruthless and efficient enough though. Napoleon would probably be a preferable candidate for unification. More of European civilization would be preserved.
Anonymous No.64389278 [Report] >>64389291 >>64391274
>>64389238
You'd get a Europe-sized Ireland.
Anonymous No.64389291 [Report] >>64389362
>>64389278
Which is the richest country in the EU outside of I think Luxemburg?
Anonymous No.64389340 [Report]
>>64389223
>where those French armies would be headed
I think it's fair to say the French army doesn't go very far without Napoleon calling the shots. We see this with the way spain went without him there. If he was on the field the enemy withdrew from him because they would loose, the rest of the French army, fair game. So it doesn't matter where the army went, if he had won Leipzig, he would have mopped up Spain next.
Anonymous No.64389353 [Report] >>64389374 >>64389444 >>64395882
>>64389223
>If it wasn't for the Peninsular campaigns the dagoes would have just rolled over and guess where those French armies would be headed.
Again, the French troops in Spain amounted to maybe the size of a Corps or two. Although garrisoning troops numbered more. But even the invasion of Portugal by Junot was done with 25,000 men. And that was the largest field army the French fielded in the peninsular war. Sure, those would have been more helpful elsewhere. But Napoleon marched almost 700,000 men into Russia and lost 90% of them. The Peninsular war was a side theatre. And Waterloo mattered far less than Leipzig. It has only become an idiom due to Anglo dominance over media.
Anonymous No.64389362 [Report] >>64389440
>>64389291
That's because they're a tax haven dummy. You can't have a continent sized tax haven.
Anonymous No.64389374 [Report] >>64389421 >>64389440
>>64389353
So you owe the UK an apology for getting them unnecessarily involved in something that was none of their business then.
Anonymous No.64389421 [Report]
>>64389374
What are you even trying to say here?
Anonymous No.64389440 [Report]
>>64389374
Maybe the Portuguese do, ask them.

>>64389362
Have we tried?
Anonymous No.64389444 [Report]
>>64389353
Sir, 300k frogs were posted in Spain
Anonymous No.64389570 [Report] >>64389733
Wheres the big man with the multi-barrel gun that goes BANG while he goes AHHHHH
Anonymous No.64389733 [Report] >>64391738
>>64389570
>Cheesy 80s guitar mixed with fife and drum intro plays
>Small skirmish between the British and French
>Tongue is missing as usual
>Sharpe flailing his sword around while Hagman gives cover fire
>They win the skirmish
>Messenger on horseback approaches
>"Lieutenant/Captain/Major Sharpe, you are summoned to Lord Wellington's tent"
>"Bloody ell Patrick, what's 'e want now"
>Sharpe arrives in old Nosey's tent
>His spymaster of the day is there
>As is a weasel looking British officer or French lord
>"Sharpe, this is Lord Fucksworth, who has a dangerous mission for you - you will be enormously outnumbered, deep behind enemy lines with no support, oh and Major Ducos is around so watch out for him
>Lord Fuckworth insults him for being a poorfag but reluctantly accepts that this is Wellington's best man
>"As ye like sir, Ah'll get it dun"
>Cut to Sharpe and Patrick discussing the mission
>"It dun maek bloody sense Patrick, why do they need us to tek this castle/find this woman/get these supplies/uncover this plot"
>"Oh surely as the fields o' Ireland are green, sir, God has a plan for us, sir"
>A few battles happen on the way to the objective
>Oh look it's an attractive young woman who keeps looking at Sharpe suggestively
>They fuck
>"Look Patrick! It's the thing we're here for!"
>"LOOK OUT SIR"
>Lord Fucksworth appears and betrays Sharpe
>Ducos appears
>"HON HON HON! Bamboozled you again my nemesis"
>"Bloody Ducos"
>Battle happens
>Patrick goes "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH BANG" with the 7 barrelled gun
>Wellington arrives
>"Well done Sharpe! You've done it again"
>Sharpe and his men march into the sunset
>THERE'S FORTY SHILLINGS ON THE DRUM...FOR THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER TO COME...
Anonymous No.64390016 [Report] >>64390036 >>64391274
>>64383303 (OP)

Sharpe threads just make me sad abut a generation denied: that we are never, ever going to get a Flashman movie or show. Ever.
Anonymous No.64390036 [Report] >>64390254
>>64390016
Give Sora a couple years and you can make it yourself.
Anonymous No.64390089 [Report]
>>64384566
Noice
Anonymous No.64390130 [Report] >>64390195
>>64384180
>>64384463
i target shoot with a brown bess and im a rev war reenactor.
i have never heard of "tap loading" and can only imagine "spit loading" wouldnt really be a thing.
the barrel gets hot as fuck after only a few rounds, plus what idiot would sit there bang away on his rifle during a battle instead of just falling out and getting a new ramrod.
if your powder is the slightest bit damp it's prone to failing or fouling.
there are many stories through the civil war of solider biting wads off from waste clothe or paper if they couldnt roll proper cartridges.
Anonymous No.64390195 [Report] >>64390232 >>64390747 >>64395357 >>64397983
>>64390130
You've never heard about it because officially it was never taught by instructors to infantry; however, there are a few soldier accounts of men who had actually done it. If you have a large bore and some undersized projectiles, then you can do as in the video I'm posting, where he uses .64 cal balls in a .75 cal musket (you do lose accuracy by using undersized ammo). One example of it being done was in the Battle of Waterloo, for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9hrB-eaajI

>the barrel gets hot as fuck after only a few rounds
Which is why the "spitloading" the other guy mentioned is false; you aren't putting your lips anywhere near the end of the muzzle, especially not to spit a projectile into the barrel.
>plus what idiot would sit there bang away on his rifle
It does not damage his rifle at all.
Anonymous No.64390232 [Report]
>>64390195
ok, i have been educated. thank you, anon.
Anonymous No.64390254 [Report] >>64391648
>>64390036
Kill yourself you human waste of space
Anonymous No.64390747 [Report]
>>64390195
Based gun goon bringing receipts
Anonymous No.64391071 [Report] >>64391274
>>64383309

I thought the idea was basically "These guys are going to be bayoneted by the French in a week if they can't put up a decent rate of fire and I don't have time to train them to do it properly, so I'll show them the quickest way to maybe get some lead going downrange."
Anonymous No.64391274 [Report]
>>64389278
BLACK AS BOG!
>>64390016
We did get one. It was kind of shit.
>>64391071
As mentioned in other posts in the thread that tap loading was a thing to provide a quicker rate of fire but the depiction shown in Sharpe is just plain wrong. Anon showing where they are using undersized balls is how it would be done.
Anonymous No.64391648 [Report] >>64392210
>>64390254
I will, in fact, not kill myself. Your move.
Anonymous No.64391688 [Report] >>64394310 >>64395786 >>64398129
>>64383303 (OP)
no
skirmishers are an essential component of infantry tactics that hardly anyone talks about. part of Napoleon's tactical brilliance was the en masse use of skirmishers. the British Rifles were in fact Wellington's extension and further development of this. and later on, the Prussian reforms which in part led to the victory at Waterloo were a copy of these initiatives, which had been proven effective on both sides in the Peninsular War.

>>64383309
it was probably done in the heat of the action; no doubt it's hard to stop and look properly which end of the cartridge one is biting open, in the panic of the volleys
also today we really REALLY underestimate how retarded Napoleonic infantry were

>>64383958
>linear warfare only seems nonsensical to people in current year because
the Dunning-Krueger gap in current year is wider than ever before

>>64384559
>Aubrey Maturin
you know nothing Jon Snow
O'Brien not only did tsundere-yandere before it was cool, he did it from the English perspective, and anyone who's actually touched a woman knows how true to life the faults of the women in his books are

>>64384599
Sharpe, who has utterly no peer IRL
Hornblower is fantasy Cochrane
Aubrey is Cochrane balanced with a lot of canon bad luck, so he's the least unrealistic of the lot
Anonymous No.64391738 [Report] >>64391796 >>64395536
>>64387338
>England must never merge with France!
underrated joke in an underrated movie

>>64387351
>But in Wellingtons army there were always way more spanish and portuguese in the Peninsular war, and germans and dutch at waterloo. Redcoats were at most 25% of any force
the reason why these armies were willing to put their forces under British command is because they acknowledged that British tactics and infantry were superior, idiot
>Spanish
lost their fucking country until the bongs stepped in
>Portuguese
saw the British were superior and assigned their army wholesale under overall British command
>Germans and Dutch
were defeated by Napoleon and then fought for Napoleon, you conveniently omitted
and unlike the Prussians who redeemed themselves well, the
>Dutch at Waterloo
contributed the least to the battle

>>64389733
best Sharpe pasta ever
Anonymous No.64391796 [Report] >>64391963
>>64391738

>the reason why these armies were willing to put their forces under British command is because they acknowledged that British tactics and infantry were superior, idiot

This. To give you an idea of the poor quality of Spanish troops, at the Battle of Talavera the Spanish contingent panicked and fled at the sound of their own gunfire. Yes, that bit in Sharpe's Eagle is a real thing that actually happened.
Anonymous No.64391963 [Report]
>>64391796
that was a particularly extreme example that demonstrates how bad the Spanish troops were, on top of the many other all-Spanish battles that frankly are embarrassing to read about

often the infantry, whether of any nation, would fire randomly at nothing, wasting their shots, and then break and run. (as told by eyewitness accounts.) that was simply the poor quality of the average joe soldier at the time. hence why infantry who did not waste their shots, and stood firm in the line of battle, like many British infantry, were considered exceptionally good.
(unlike many nations' conscripts including French, British infantry were professionals, usually poorfags who joined for the pay and loot. truly the "scum of the earth". but given training and experience, they eventually make better soldiers than conscripts.)

still, IIRC four Spanish battalions firing at nothing and then flee was an exceptional low point in the Napoleonic wars
Anonymous No.64392210 [Report]
>>64391648
Coward
Anonymous No.64394310 [Report]
>>64391688
>skirmishers are an essential component of infantry tactics
I agree here.
>it was probably done in the heat of the action
Nope, it wasn't done at all. No matter which side of the cartridge you bite, you are not going to put your mouth anywhere near a hot barrel. No matter how dumb the soldier was, he knew to avoid a second-degree (possibly third-degree) burn on his face. Spit-loading is a fictional technique talked about by historical fiction writers and alt-historians who've never used a muzzleloader in their lives and badly interpreted records of taploading.
Anonymous No.64395357 [Report] >>64395472 >>64395524 >>64397983 >>64397983
>>64390195
>tap loading
Wouldn't this require severely undersized balls to account for the eventual build up of fouling? I don't see how this method is of any use in a prolonged engagement.
Anonymous No.64395472 [Report] >>64395524
>>64395357
What is your definition of a prolonged engagement as usually 3-6 volleys were about all that was fired before one side broke ranks and fled?
Anonymous No.64395524 [Report] >>64395607
>>64395472
The average infantryman carried ~25 cartridges and in major battles e.g. Waterloo needed ammo resupply

>>64395357
Windage was potentially as high as 0.1"

That said I don't think tap loading was at all common let alone used when the barrel was fouled; more likely it was only used in a real pinch
Anonymous No.64395536 [Report] >>64395564
>>64391738
The Dutch held the left wing all day at Waterloo, and were the bulk of the force of Quartre Bras. The fact that films about Waterloo always depict just the redcoats is ridiculous, as most of their force was held in reserve to begin with, and were mostly engaged towards the latter end of the battle by the French cavalry. Meanwhile the Hessians, Hannoverians and Dutch were right at the front all day in the farm houses and groves, fending off the French infantry. the Brits were chilling on the counter slope most of the day, doing fuck all.
Anonymous No.64395564 [Report] >>64395607 >>64395609
>>64395536
>The Dutch held the left wing all day at Waterloo
The Hanoverians and Nassauers did most of the fighting on the left and they're not Dutch, although under Dutch command.
The battles around Papilotte were not as pitched as the ones around Hougoumont or La Haye Sainte, which is why they are commonly ignored. This can be seen also in the relatively fewer casualties on that side.
>and were the bulk of the force of Quartre Bras
Yeah because it was their sector to guard.
Different battle however.
>Brits were chilling on the counter slope most of the day, doing fuck all
Because you always hold the best troops in reserve, just as Nape held his Imperial Guard in reserve.
Nor were they doing "fuck all", the British infantry were mostly engaged in support of the Union Brigade's first attack to repel d'Erlon's first major assault.

Of the 3 Dutch divisions, the left division (Papilotte) as stated above wasnt heavily engaged; the centre division did most of the fighting on the Dutch side, and paid the price; and the right division was behind the British and German regiments and only came into action near nightfall as the French were routing. They supposedly did fine work following up and devastating the French retreat.

You're either ignorant or lying; either way, go away.
Anonymous No.64395584 [Report] >>64418112
>>64383309
>The whole spitting ball into the barrel was stupid
>>64383418
>Clearly they grievously misunderstood how opening the cartridge works
>>64383322
>theoretically possible, but barely achievable on the parade ground and theres no way you could maintain that rate of fire on the battlefield even with a fresh unit of veterans for even a single minute
>>64383446
>No and he would have killed a bunch of his soldiers with his stupid reloading technique.
Anonymous No.64395589 [Report]
>>64387351
There were a few Brits at Leipzig experimenting with rockets. IIRC, they were attached to the Swedish army.
Anonymous No.64395607 [Report] >>64395612 >>64395619
>>64395524
Battles like Waterloo were more an exception rather than the rule. The battles where examples can be found of tap firing involve ones that were essentially bloody but brief, basically small scale skirmishes so doubt fouling would have been a concern.
>>64395564
Probably just Anti-Anglo spammer who can't resist every opportunity to put down the Bongs with as much misinformation as possible. Starting to think it's just Putin in a basement typing up such things.
Anonymous No.64395609 [Report] >>64395634 >>64395668 >>64411723
>>64395564
You are an Anglo propagandist faggot trying to steal Germanic honour. Brits did not defeat Napoleon, ever. The troops in the field were in their vast majority of the Germanic race. Not you filthy anglo scum.
Anonymous No.64395612 [Report]
>>64395607
What on earth makes you think its only Russians who have an issue with the Anglos? Remember they humiliated us in 2 world wars, and backstabbed all of Europe as has been their modus operandi since the 1500s, recently with Brexit. Divide et Impera is the Anglo way. Without them we would have a united Europe centuries ago.
Anonymous No.64395619 [Report]
>>64395607
>just Anti-Anglo spammer
Clearly
>The battles where examples can be found of tap firing involve ones that were essentially bloody but brief, basically small scale skirmishes so doubt fouling would have been a concern.
Yes, I think it's a tactic that is only possible with clean barrels (or particularly poorly fitting ones)
Anonymous No.64395634 [Report]
>>64395609
If they were German then why did they win lol
Anonymous No.64395668 [Report]
>>64395609
Stay mad sour-kraut!
Anonymous No.64395723 [Report] >>64397983 >>64438859
>>64383309
>>64383418
>>64383686
>>64384180
>>64384463
>the whole spit and tap debate AGAIN
The thing autists don't realise about the scene in Eagle where Sharpe teaches this is that Sharpe wasn't doing that because it was "better" or "easier" but because he had a very short time to get them to be able to fire 3 shots in a minute, and this was a way for him do it.

The chapter before this is where ol' Dick meets Simmerson. The meeting goes very badly, Sharpe has already seen the South Essex and knows they're shit, fresh off the boat with no combat experience except for a handful of NCOs and officers. Sir Henry is a Tartar and knows nothing of soldiering (before this the SE has a parade Sharpe witnesses where flogging are routine and several men have already deserted). Sharpe does not respect Simmerson, and quickly in the meeting Sir Henry insults Sharpe several times, says he "dresses like a peasant" and that "he is not a gentleman". Sir Henry asks a mocking question to further humiliate Sharpe, the now famous "what makes a good soldier?". Sharpe knows the answer Simmerson wants but instead replies "to fire three rounds a minute in any weather" not because Sharpe believes that, but just to get a insult in against Simmerson. He knows the men of SE can't do that, and Simmerson knows that they can't, and he knows Sharpe is commentating on it and Sir Henrys poor leadership.

So Sir Henry says "ok you train the Light Company to do that, you have until dusk and its already gone lunch and I'll flog every man who can't do it". If Sharpe fails then the men get flogged and Sir Henry, and the men, blames Sharpe for it. On top of this is the fact Sharpe and his attachment of Riflemen are going with the SE on a mission into potential enemy territory, plus the fact there is a build up for a large battle (Talavera). Ideally the South Essex would have spent countless hours on drill to learn to do it.
Anonymous No.64395740 [Report] >>64395751 >>64395912
>>64384599
Maturin,

[spoiler] literally performs open heart surgery on himself after getting shot, survives being tortured, stranded floating a sea several times and on the St Pauls Rock, getting stung by a Platypus and having a massive opiates over-dose [/spoiler].
Anonymous No.64395751 [Report]
>>64395740
That's a quiet Tuesday for a Georgian man of science?
Anonymous No.64395770 [Report] >>64395771 >>64395777 >>64395792 >>64395797 >>64395912 >>64396522
Sharpe should have been about a french soldier. Imagine following a Grande Armée veteran across all Europe, seeing multiples countries and battles. Meanwhile, the brits only saw the most boring part of Napoleonic Wars in Spain and a single big scale battle at Waterloo. (and the kino war over seas, of course)
The french political situation at the time also implie more plots and shemes. And while following a humble soldier, not Napoleon himself, you can indulge with the moral ambiguity of the french being both invaders and liberators, the greatness of glory and the horror of the crime and how Napoleon was seen by common people : a great military leader but often too ambitious.
A shitload of french soldiers were already IRL Sharpe, like Lassale or Pelletier de Chambure. You just need to change the name so it is'nt too obvious.
It sad frenchfags are too poor to make movies, so we have to stick to the anglo point of view.
Anonymous No.64395771 [Report] >>64395778
>>64395770
british people literally do not know how to imagine the point of view of people who aren't british
Anonymous No.64395777 [Report] >>64395799 >>64395912
>>64395770
Sharpe already has a character like that on the French side, General Calvet. He even has a trusty companion, Gaston. You could easily make a series following his exploits in Napoleons campaigns. Instead of Sharpe could call it, Soup.
Anonymous No.64395778 [Report]
>>64395771
That would require empathy, which I'm fairly certain isn't considered an asset in what used to be a globe spanning empire.
Anonymous No.64395786 [Report] >>64395820 >>64395912 >>64396115
>>64391688
Tell me more about blew to use skirmishers. I'm getting in to total war.
Anonymous No.64395792 [Report]
>>64395770
Something like The Duellists in long form.
Anonymous No.64395797 [Report]
>>64395770
You can also do a lot more with the debate between republicanism and monarchy that existed at the time. The emergent consciousness of the lower classes that they had some power as they were drafted en masse, and started demanding rights. Cant do that with staunch monarchist Brits.
Anonymous No.64395799 [Report] >>64395879 >>64398473
>>64395777
General Loupe seems like Evil Sharpe.

Both cared about their men, but also with getting results, Loupe just brought it to the extreme by discouraging anyone who would think about opposing them through terror and murder.
Anonymous No.64395805 [Report]
>>64385338
PO'B>>>Cornwall>>>Forester
and its not even close, O'Brian is a far better writer than either, his are actually proper novels his prose is better, his storytelling devices and his use of humour; plus his characters are actually 3-dimensional.

Hornblower has no humour in them and several of the books are very badly written.
Anonymous No.64395820 [Report] >>64395833
>>64395786
>empire total war mentioned
As austria, you can almost rely on them entirely as basically no one has a good counter to them yet. You still have cavalry to worry about, though, and that advantage won't last long either. I tended to use jägers dispersed on the flanks then screening the front, having the front ones pull back behind the first line of infantry just before contact
Anonymous No.64395833 [Report] >>64396038
>>64395820
Empire really needs a better campaign map, and to make sieges more like they were in Medieval 2.
Anonymous No.64395879 [Report]
>>64395799
Loup is just Sharpe but as a furry. Naturally he's evil.
Anonymous No.64395882 [Report]
>>64389353
More like 4-5 corps.
Anonymous No.64395907 [Report] >>64395911 >>64395940 >>64398484 >>64398630 >>64401586 >>64404293 >>64404326 >>64404904 >>64412595
What would the lads be equipped in Sharpe's Helmand?
>Sharpe: M16A2 and Sig P226 (officers are buttmad that he's carrying non-standard gear)
>Harper: Benelli M4 (L128A1)
>Hagman: Arctic Warfare Magnum
>rest of the boys: L129A1's
>all the other redcoat tossers: L85 and blown-out Hi-Powers (shit)
>Fatima, Sharpe's Northern Alliance Mujaheddin wife
>Obadiah: L22A1, for some reason
>bin-Ducohmad, the evil Taliban spy in the ANA: AMD-65 and PB Makarov
>Sheik Calvertib, honorubru Taliban warlord: Spetsnaz-trophy AKS-74U
Anonymous No.64395911 [Report] >>64397023
>>64395907
>*Fatima, Sharpe's Northern Alliance Mujaheddin wife: dual-wielding Stechkins
Anonymous No.64395912 [Report] >>64397306 >>64425390
>>64395740
>stranded
"Boiled shit"

POB's writing has a magnificently sly and dry sense of humour

>>64395770
I wouldn't mind a French Sharpe equivalent. He ought to finish up as an assistant Marshal or an extra Marshal at the least, that'd be pretty cool

>>64395777
>Instead of Sharpe could call it, Soup.
kek
I'm reminded of the FFL captain from Beau Geste

>>64395786
I never played Total War
>Tell me more
They are elite light troops who were sent ahead of the battalion formed in line or square to snipe at the enemy in loose or no formation. Basically they fought like our fire teams today. Skirmishers could be run down by cavalry or wiped out by massed musketry volleys (especially if they were green), so they could not replace properly-formed infantry battalions (if threatened, they had to quickly rejoin the battalion). That said, when combined with cavalry and artillery, or in rough ground, they could steadily attrit enemy battalions to death by careful sniping. Amongst others, Frederick the Great made skirmishers an essential part of European tactics, creating a Light Company as standard in every battalion.

How did Napoleon innovate upon this? He often assigned additional companies or even entire battalions to act as skirmishers, so his skirmishers often defeated the enemy’s skirmishers by sheer weight. Winning that phase of the battle gained him an advantage; they could snipe and pin down the enemy while the main body of French infantry advanced, formed line, volleyed and charged.
These and other innovations helped defeat the Spanish, Austrian, German and Russian armies in close combat, up until 1814.

Wellington not only adopted this system, he improved on it. He used the British Rifle Corps who had superior training and weapons (Napoleon’s skirmishers used muskets, not rifles) as skirmishers, and assigned them permanently rather than ad hoc as Napoleon did.
The Portuguese followed his method, and during Napoleon’s 1st exile, the Prussians did as well.
Anonymous No.64395940 [Report] >>64398490
>>64395907
>Harper
Milkor M32 obvs
Anonymous No.64396038 [Report]
>>64395833
The battle ai also sucks. It doesn't really seem to know how to deal with massed infantry, which is a bit of a problem as you can imagine
Anonymous No.64396076 [Report]
>Was it that easy?
No. Nothing is ever "that" easy
Anonymous No.64396115 [Report]
>>64395786
Marshall Davout was well known for his use of skirmishers. During the Revolution War, conscript lacked training so it was easier to use them as skirmishers. It offered good results at first as it was an unexepected tactic. Austrians found a parade by slowly retreating their men to let the skirmishers overextend, then destroying them
Anonymous No.64396472 [Report] >>64398723 >>64404697
>>64383303 (OP)
>three volleys a minute
this is where it breaks actually
turns out volleys weren't really a thing beyond the first shot. it was pretty much always
>one volley
>everyone goes to individual fire
Anonymous No.64396522 [Report] >>64396766 >>64398237 >>64398723
>>64395770
>It sad frenchfags are too poor to make movies
We're not, the issue lies elsewhere entirely.
French cinema and television is highly controled and subsidized by a gov agency called CNC (National Council for Cinema). While said agency was originally created post-WW2 to ensure that we're not completely submerged in foreign media, CNC smothers creativity and only ever supports directors making what the champagne socialist Parisian boomers running it since the 80s deem "politically and socially councious" movies and shows, that is to say globohomo slop, or at best brainless comedies and romances. As a result, you barely ever see French historical or genre fiction (stuff like scifi, fantasy or horror) anymore outside of very niche productions. Instead you have an abundance of slop, of which only 2% ever makes a profit (that's an actual figure from a treasury audit) but magically doesn't bankrupt its producers thanks to my tax money.
Anonymous No.64396766 [Report] >>64397983
>>64396522
kek, imagine being such a cuck that you allow your country's media to be controlled by a tiny cabal of frenchmen instead of a large cabal of jewish pedophiles
Anonymous No.64397023 [Report]
>>64395911
gigabased
Anonymous No.64397306 [Report] >>64398723
>>64395912
> and assigned them permanently rather than ad hoc as Napoleon did.
As much as I know, Napoleon's skirmishers were permanent too.
There was two system : the first was the Voltigeur company. It was some sort of elite company for the regiment and its role was to hold one of the flank (left or right, can't remember, while the grenadier company hold the other). The voltigeur also serve as scouts and skirmishers when the regiment is on the move but it also get in the line like regular infantry. This is, I think, what you call ad hoc skirmishers. There is no much difference between voltigeurs, grenadiers and line infantry. The firsts are more honorific places were to put good soldiers, but the grenadiers are for tall peoples while short people became voltigeurs.
There also was fully dedicated light infantry, like chasseur à pieds regiments. These men were specialized as skirmisher, trained for that purpose and even if they had, indeed, muskets but not rifle they had specific equipment too (buggles instead of drums, because you can use them while lying on the drum, sabers for self defense...
Anonymous No.64397438 [Report] >>64398292 >>64399710 >>64412632
>>64383676
Why
Anonymous No.64397983 [Report] >>64400771 >>64410880
>>64395357
>Wouldn't this require severely undersized balls
Yes, as I already explained in >>64390195 and >>64384463.
>to account for the eventual build up of fouling?
No, you needed undersized balls even if the gun had no fouling at all because in order to fire the gun safely, you needed to make sure the ball was seated all the way back, and that was only possible with a ramrod or a smaller projectile.

>>64395357
>I don't see how this method is of any use in a prolonged engagement.
All sorts of weird stuff was seen in engagements. Then the fighting got up-close and personal (25-50 yards) you might see some soldiers performing buck and ball or taploading (never both at the same time) and when they were shooting at each other 50-100 yards away, they'd go back to loading the guns properly.

>>64395723
>The thing autists don't realise about the scene in Eagle where Sharpe teaches this is that Sharpe wasn't doing that because it was "better" or "easier" but because he had a very short time to get them to be able to fire 3 shots in a minute, and this was a way for him do it.
We do understand why Sharpe did it. We are pointing out that it's a work of fiction and that it was never done in real life. No one was spitting projectiles into a hot barrel, and in real life some well-trained troops could achieve 4 rounds a minute without this dumb fictional technique; 3 rounds a minute was the standard, not the record.

>>64396766
>you allow your country's media to be controlled by a tiny cabal of frenchmen instead of a large cabal of jewish pedophiles
NTA, But those Frenchmen are controlled by a large cabal of Jews; did you not understand when the guy you're replying to emphasized the socialist globohomo slop?
Anonymous No.64398129 [Report] >>64398731 >>64400771
>>64391688
>you know nothing Jon Snow
>O'Brien not only did tsundere-yandere before it was cool, he did it from the English perspective, and anyone who's actually touched a woman knows how true to life the faults of the women in his books are
I love O'Brien and you're right about the women being realistic, but the other anon is still right about the women being the worst parts of the narrative because Aubrey becomes a retarded asshole and Maturin an intolerable simp as soon as they smell pussy.
Anonymous No.64398237 [Report]
>>64396522
I want to be him, someday
Anonymous No.64398292 [Report] >>64398426 >>64398470 >>64399055 >>64399417
>>64397438
NTA
Napoleon united germany
Spread the metric system
Napoleons officiers were great mathematicans. Fourier, Lagrange....
Invested in science and technogy
Anonymous No.64398426 [Report]
>>64398292
>Spread the metric system
Anon....
Anonymous No.64398470 [Report]
>>64398292
>Napoleon united germany
Kinda indirectly though, through opposition to him. Fighting the French became the uniting cause that transcended princedoms and bishoprics. While ironically adopting a lot of French republican and liberal ideas from the revolution. Nationalist liberalism that escalated in 1848. Not that odd really, if you saw the nobility and church as keeping your nation divided.
Anonymous No.64398473 [Report]
>>64395799
>General Loupe seems like Evil Sharpe
French Sharpe. Easy mistake to make.
Anonymous No.64398478 [Report]
General Loup sounds like Soup
Anonymous No.64398484 [Report]
>>64395907
>bin-ducohmad
kek
Anonymous No.64398490 [Report] >>64398655 >>64398723
>>64395940
>AAAAAAHHHHH
>*bloop*
That's not soldiering.

>the British Rifles were in fact Wellington's extension and further development of this
lmao this is a new frog cope.
Anonymous No.64398492 [Report] >>64398568
kek what the hell was his problem
Anonymous No.64398568 [Report]
>>64398492
Lack of chickens for his pot.
Anonymous No.64398630 [Report] >>64399833 >>64418373 >>64419449
>>64395907
>Sharpe: M16A2 and Sig P226 (officers are buttmad that he's carrying non-standard gear)
Nah Sharpe's gear is non-standard only because he wants to have grunt weapons he's used to rather than what's best, so he should use shit stolen from the armory of some other unit rather than anything explicitely foreign.
Officers back then frequently carried non standard shit, Sharpe stood out because he looked as unofficerlike as possible
Anonymous No.64398655 [Report] >>64398723
>>64398490
Most military innovations came from France at the time, due to its paticuliar situation allowing a need for reforms, a lot of experimentations and highly competent commanders suddenly taking the head. And like in many other military fields, France was pionnier in the use of skirmishers : they were cheap, don't needed much training and discipline mattered less. Exactly what you need when you create out of nothing a massive army made of civilian conscripts and volunteers. The proportion of light infantry in the army went from 4% to almost 25% around 1794, wen a directive reglemented the numbers of light infantrymen in each unit.
After that, all european armies copied french reform to keep being modern, they had no choice. British did the same, with some adaptations and a better material : faithful to their own doctrine, while following french innovations.
Anonymous No.64398723 [Report] >>64399907
>>64396472
>individual fire
Nope
Platoon fire usually

>>64396522
That's virtually every other country's movie industry besides America, China, India, Japan, and maybe Worst Korea

>>64397306
>ad hoc skirmishers
Were in addition to the voltigeurs and chasseurs; Napoleon apparently assigned entire line battalions to skirmish in front of his corps
I shall have to check on which battles he did that in, but Waterloo seems obvious
(Part of the significance of that battle is that most tactics were employed in it, so it's an excellent showcase of Napoleonic tactics)

>>64398490
>frog cope
Hardly

>>64398655
>don't needed much training and discipline mattered less
I'd say they needed more training and discipline to be effective, actually
But the French had plenty of good soldiers at the time
Anonymous No.64398731 [Report] >>64398758
>>64398129
>Aubrey becomes a retarded asshole and Maturin an intolerable simp as soon as they smell pussy
Accurately describes a lot of otherwise superlative men, anon
And Maturin wasn't a simp really, he was just a mega-simp for Diana
Anonymous No.64398758 [Report]
>>64398731
>Accurately describes a lot of otherwise superlative men, anon
Yes. Again I repeat, realistic but not enjoyable.
>And Maturin wasn't a simp really, he was just a mega-simp for Diana
Every mention of the pre canon girl who married an irish revolutionary implies he acted the same way with her too.
If only O'Brian survived to finish the last book he started, we might have known for certain whether the cycle would repeat with Christine.
Anonymous No.64399055 [Report]
>>64398292
Wow those sound like some really shit justifications for spreading war over an entire continent and killing unprecedented number of Europeans. What else, he burned Rome to the ground to influence the spread of Panini technology?
Anonymous No.64399417 [Report]
>>64398292
>Napoleon united germany
No Prussia
No Austria
No Switzerland
No Hanover
Nothing on the left side of the Rhine despite the name.
Client states only
Final destination.
Anonymous No.64399703 [Report]
>>64383303 (OP)
Wellington won by virtue of the reverse slope defense and the volley and counter charge more than he ever won because of the mythical 3 rounds a minute. Napoleon curb stomped the Austrians and Prussians both repeatedly, the later of which was renowned across Europe for its drill. Not to mention that he basically refused to meet Ney on the battlefield until the later was completely spent of supplies and starving.

This is without mentioning of course the fact that the British continually bankrolled the French's continental opposition to the point where they were playing Imperial whack-a-mole. The Napoleonic wars are as much about the triumph of Capitalism over Napoleon's failed Continental system than it was tactics or operational art.

It's like Francophiles waxing poetic about if Napoleon had won at Waterloo. He could've won five more Waterloos and still been defeated.
Anonymous No.64399710 [Report]
>>64397438
>restored the bourbon monarchy
>dooms France to a century of humiliation and another set of wars when Napoleon the Farce takes the thrown.
>Europe teeters on the brink of mass revolt until it finally boils over in 1848
>everyone promptly reinstituted the trans-Atlantic slave trade after the war, Napoleon had partly (emphasizing partly here) abolished it

I could go on
Anonymous No.64399833 [Report] >>64411747
>>64398630
These are not foreign though, these are just more specialized British Army gear.

M16's have been used by the SAS since forever, and different semi-operators like paras, marines and whatnot. The P226 has been issued in Afghanistan (I assume as a stopgap since the ancient Hi-Powers were probably blown the fuck out), and the P228 has been an SAS pistol.
Anonymous No.64399907 [Report] >>64400041
>>64398723
>I'd say they needed more training and discipline to be effective, actually
But the French had plenty of good soldiers at the time
At the time of Napoleon, yes, France had a huge pool of veterans to make an experienced army. But I'm talking about how it started, at the beginning of the War of Revolution. The country had no money and a good part of its officer either deserted or were disloyal. Meanwhile, they were at war against all of Europe, including themselves. France needed soldiers, a lot and quickly. Cheap, if possible. So they relied on volunteers, then mass conscriptions. And training was brief.
Most of discipline in the rank is linked to manoeuver and fire orders. That's the hardest part to get and that's what make a line of fire shoot effectively, move with cohesion and do not disband when ennemy charge.
Meanwhile, the skirmisher only have to know how to reload and to aim (optionnal). The rest is on themselves.
Yes, it take in principe at lot of training to be a good marksman, and that's mostly what british and prussians relied on. But France did'nt want marksmen, just soldiers able to act on their own without a formation and be anoying for the ennemy.
Parsley No.64400041 [Report] >>64400233
>>64399907
>I'm talking about how it started, at the beginning of the War of Revolution
They still had a strong army then. France was a (if not THE) Continental superpower acting as eminence grise while the other empires crumbled around it, and of course the Germans were a scattered bunch
Anonymous No.64400233 [Report] >>64400333
>>64400041
They had a strong army at the time of Louis XVI. But when the war started, it was weakened by banqueroute and desertion. And above all, it was not sufficiant to face all Europe at once on every borders. Thus mass conscription and the need to make the best use for numerous, cheap, poorly trained, easily replaceable conscripts.
Of course it inherited on the old regime military system, but it also need urgent reforms to face the challenge. Generalisation of skirmishers was one of this answer.
Anonymous No.64400333 [Report] >>64400367
>>64400233
IMHO he probably concentrated his best infantry in the chasseurs a pied, and my point is just that the Revolutionary French army had a lot of veterans to draw chasseur recruits from, and elite volunteers who naturally have stronger morale than the conscripts in the line regiments.
(Revolutions usually happen when there is a strong and powerful military, and it chooses not to support the incumbent government any longer)

Under the Revolutionaries many of these chasseurs were used as elite line infantry.
But IINM Napoleon reversed this trend and placed an abnormally large number of skirmishers in battle.
At least that's what I read
Anonymous No.64400367 [Report] >>64400394
>>64400333
As I said, chasseur accounted for 4% of the total effectives and it climbed up to 25% in 1794.
The jacobins also instated the "amalgam" : old pre-revolution regiments (so professionnal soldiers) were split in two and mixed with new conscript units. The goal was so the veterans could share their experience, but also being watched over by new but patriotic conscripts.
So if old chasseur unit became elite soldiers, it was no different than hussards, dragoons, line infantry... forming a core around wich new soldiers come stick too. But as you can see, the spiking number of skirmisher also implied most of them were just newly formed conscripts, hastively enlisted to answer the urging threat.
I would recommand to read the book "The Bayonets of the Republic : Motivation and Tactics in the Army of Revolutionary France, 1791–94", by John Lynn. This were the numbers come from
Anonymous No.64400394 [Report] >>64400565
>>64400367
>recommand to read the book "The Bayonets of the Republic : Motivation and Tactics in the Army of Revolutionary France, 1791–94", by John Lynn. This were the numbers come from
Thanks, appreciated

>if old chasseur unit became elite soldiers, it was no different than hussards, dragoons, line infantry... forming a core around wich new soldiers come stick too. But as you can see, the spiking number of skirmisher also implied most of them were just newly formed conscripts, hastively enlisted to answer the urging threat.
This is 1 interpretation of the facts and it may be true

My theory or interpretation of it is nearly the opposite, that the chasseur skirmishers needed to be used to form line infantry in order to stiffen the inexperienced recruits. There are some sources I read - I forget where, which is not good - which state that sometimes chasseur a pied regiments were employed at this time as typical line battalions. So the question here is: was it Napoleon who changed how the French Army fought, or was it already a doctrine spreading amongst the jacobin generals even before him?
I think to answer the question a close analysis of the French Revolution infantry battles must be made, to see how the French tactics were in practice, not just in administrative organisation

That said the overall point is clear that it was the French who were innovating in this area at the time
Anonymous No.64400565 [Report] >>64400568
>>64400394
>My theory or interpretation of it is nearly the opposite, that the chasseur skirmishers needed to be used to form line infantry in order to stiffen the inexperienced recruits. There are some sources I read - I forget where, which is not good - which state that sometimes chasseur a pied regiments were employed at this time as typical line battalions. So the question here is: was it Napoleon who changed how the French Army fought, or was it already a doctrine spreading amongst the jacobin generals even before him?
I think to answer the question a close analysis of the French Revolution infantry battles must be made, to see how the French tactics were in practice, not just in administrative organisation

It could have happen : commanders were highly encouraged to improvise and to experiment by themselves to face the reality. So it may have been occurence were light infantry batalions wre opportunistically turned into light infantry. It would make sense as they would know line discipline better than conscripts and this is what lacked at the time. On the meantime, conscript could easily become a masse of cheap skirmishers to replace them in the role.
Napoleon brought a lot of change but for a big part, he improved doctrines he inherited from the Revolution, or even before. The conscription was invented to fill the need for soldiers but is also the represent the role each citizen must fill to save the nation in a Republic. The improved role of artillery reflect the sociology of its officers : being mostly bourgeois in this branch, they were favorable to the revolution, did'nt desert and could prove themselves in the army. They took leader roles and could experiment their idea, like Napoleon himself.

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Anonymous No.64400568 [Report] >>64400674
>>64400565
For instance, the organisation in division was already theorized before the Revolution but Napoleon applied it, then mastered it. But a lot of changes occured in the military field between 1792 and 1815. Most of them came from France, but it would be needed to watch them one by one to see what what was Napoleon invented, improved or inherited.
But once Napoleon was at the head of the nation and of the army, he had all the freedom to merge all the new ideas, theories and experimentations from the last years into coherent reforms and doctrines.

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Anonymous No.64400674 [Report]
>>64400568
>Most of them came from France, but it would be needed to watch them one by one to see what what was Napoleon invented, improved or inherited.
>But once Napoleon was at the head of the nation and of the army, he had all the freedom to merge all the new ideas, theories and experimentations from the last years into coherent reforms and doctrines
Fully agree
Anonymous No.64400771 [Report] >>64400835 >>64401191 >>64401217
>>64397983
clearly you don't understand, as you start on the points again about why the spit and load is "unrealistic" confirming once again your autistic.
>and in real life some well-trained troops could achieve 4 rounds a minute without this dumb fictional technique
as I said, this would take a longer period of training and battle experience to achieve this, not one afternoon, and I explained why Sharpe said it. At the end of the day Sharpe is a giga-chad and can do whatever.

>>64398129
nah hard disagree about that, lots of the stuff with Diana is excellent. I think Its just such a big change going from M&C to early stuff of Post-Captain which lots of readers find hard. Also Aubrey was more of a simp tbf when it came to women than Maturin, its just Maturin fell deep for Diana.
Anonymous No.64400786 [Report] >>64400835
Well thanks to this thread I'm doing a Master and Commander reread.
Anonymous No.64400835 [Report] >>64404001 >>64404669
>>64400786
90% of the reason I posted ITT at all is because I am in fact rereading POB right now
I'm currently in Book 8 Ionian Mission, and it's crazy how comfy it is, it feels like Fanservice: The Book

>>64400771
>I think Its just such a big change going from M&C to early stuff of Post-Captain which lots of readers find hard
Post-Captain actually tones down the period language from M&C, probably to make it more accessible
also, male readers expecting more of a Forester or Monsarrat-esque novel would be very thrown off by, in the words of one reviewer, "Jane Austen meets Horatio Hornblower"
frankly however I think if not for this very aspect the series would not have such widespread (read: female) appeal and sales
fiction and publishing is pretty much female-monopolised, for better and worse
Anonymous No.64401191 [Report] >>64401524
>>64400771
>At the end of the day Sharpe is a giga-chad and can do whatever.
In his fictional story he can be whatever he wants, but whenever people start saying that "spitloading" was done in real life, someone has to set the record straight, or retards like you will believe it was done in real life. Again, I don't care what Sharpe did or didn't do (the comment of mine you replied to didn't mention Sharpe at all, neither did any of my comments after it until I replied to your dumbass); I care about history, and morons like you trying to pass off fiction as history aren't doing history any favors.
Anonymous No.64401217 [Report] >>64401325
>>64400771
>I think Its just such a big change going from M&C to early stuff of Post-Captain which lots of readers find hard
Although Post Captain is one of my least liked pob novels, it's actually more because of the polychrest bits than the romance bits. The worst romance elements in the series are Maturin's opium fueled chase of Diana and her constant attempts to run away from whatever hurts her vanity.
The issue with Diana is really that she's a whore, straight up. And Maturin constantly chasing after her book after book after book no matter how obvious she makes it that to her he's just the last resort, and she's arguably not even emotionally capable of love if everything isn't fine and dandy makes reading everything about her absolutely intolerable.
Anonymous No.64401325 [Report] >>64401469
>>64401217
Diana is so clearly Breakfast At Tiffany's 1801 that I wonder how strongly POB was influenced by the movie
>he's just the last resort
the "spare tyre" as we used to say; indeed Maturin himself called it that, but with some Latin tag I can't remember
the thing about women like that is that they're so clearly dissatisfied with their flings and so clearly happy with their "last resorts" that it's almost worth it. Also they tend to be extremely attractive.
>absolutely intolerable
IRL? yes
For those of us who've been there, it's amusing in fiction because the stakes are zero and the payoff is assured; you know they will get together in the end
>Polychrest
saves the novel IMHO; the mutiny was really the only way out of the bind they were in
Anonymous No.64401469 [Report] >>64404669
>>64401325
>For those of us who've been there, it's amusing in fiction because the stakes are zero and the payoff is assured; you know they will get together in the end
Not gonna lie, I find the idea of happy ever after in this context the exact opposite of payoff, and indeed pob himself writes more ebbs than flows in the couple's marriage.
They get together, but they suffer no less for it. Whether it's running off with Jagiello or running away from Brigid Diana keeps hurting Maturin time and again, always with the pettiest most despicable excuses that are always all about her stung pride and vanity.
Incidentally, it's pretty obvious that Maturin is pob's self insert, and the fact that he also married a widow irl always gave me the worst possible impression about Mary Tolstoy based on no facts whatsoever.
Anonymous No.64401524 [Report]
>>64401191
>AYO dis nigga don't even spitload
>mighty peculiar
Anonymous No.64401586 [Report]
>>64395907
Holy shit anon your post is hilarious
Anonymous No.64404001 [Report] >>64404669
>>64400835
Post-Captain when I first read I thought I was reading Pride and Prejudice at the start so the Jane Austen meets Horatio Hornblower tag does fit. I just remember some of the women instantly treating Maturin like shit cause they thought he was a ship surgeon and did not realize he was a real doctor.
Anonymous No.64404039 [Report] >>64404201
>history
comfy
>present
fucking bullshit

I wonder if it was always like that
Anonymous No.64404201 [Report] >>64404535
>>64404039
There's always gonna be a degree of distortion on our perception of the past, since what people tend to remember are the best and worst, and not the boring.

It also depends on your values.
If you're one of those tech-bro types that believes in unfettered progress, then the focus on spirituality of earlier periods will strike you as eminently repulsive.
Anonymous No.64404228 [Report] >>64404828
>>64383475
Why didn’t they flare the ramrod tubes then for speed?
Anonymous No.64404293 [Report] >>64404551 >>64410805
>>64395907
>The Prince of Orange is a ginger headed bastard zoomer that keeps breaking opsec to make TikTok videos
Anonymous No.64404326 [Report] >>64404356
>>64395907
>Do you know what makes a good soldier Sharpe?
>Yes sir, the ability to fire the L85 with less than 3 stoppages a minute!
Anonymous No.64404356 [Report] >>64404368 >>64404551
>>64404326
>Sharpe builds a killhouse out of hesco and plywood and trains the South Essex in tacticool reloads, failure drills, c-clamp, CAR, point shooting in bursts and such to the annoyance of Colonel Simmerson who still prefers Cold-War rifle squad tactics
Anonymous No.64404368 [Report] >>64404395
>>64404356
The episodes really do write themselves?
Anonymous No.64404395 [Report] >>64404542 >>64404551
>>64404368
>it's a Sharpe back at home episode, where he gets in trouble with the pompous councilman, who accuses him of hate-speech for flying the Union Jack in his backyard
>the councilman turns out to be in cahoots with MP Simmerson, who plan to flood Sharpe's hometown of Mr. Blobbyshire On Bollocks with paki rape gangs
>Sharpe finds himself the unlikely ally of depraved sex-pervert Prince Andrew, who Sharpe is introduced though a prostitute who Sharpe used to shoplift and bum fags with when they were children (subtle, nuanced implication that Sharpe had a hard, disprivileged childhood)
Anonymous No.64404535 [Report]
>>64404201
actually most Western economies and entire turdie continents (Africa, South America) are stagnant and not progressing at all. there needs to be more progress, there are too many fetters, the pendulum has swung too far towards over-regulation. the people who squeal about hurr durr techbros are the same ones who preach that you will own nothing and be happy; that those who work hard should surrender all goods to unrepentant criminals, heretics, witches, idolators and infidels; this is nonsense. I have no qualms reconciling this with faith; a tree should bear good fruit.
Anonymous No.64404542 [Report] >>64413330
>>64404395
>Sharpe's Epstein
Anonymous No.64404551 [Report]
>>64404293
>the Rocket Troop is a dronefag who insists that the whole army should switch over to Shasneeds

>>64404356
the Taron Egerton Robin Hood is this but Middle Ages
the producers probably thought it was funny or even edgy but it's really so very cringe

>>64404395
ouch
Anonymous No.64404669 [Report] >>64404690 >>64404730 >>64404913
>>64401469
Mary O’Brian wasn’t a widow, she and PO’B were both already married to others and started an affair, and then started living together in the 40s before their spouses petitioned for divorce.

PO’Bs step-son has said that Maturin and Diana are both clearly based on O’Brian and Mary. Shelmerston in the later novels is apparently based on Appledore, Devon near to where she grew up.

Also I definitely don’t think Diana had an affair with Jagiello, and in my mind she never had an affair post-Sweden.

>>64400835
>>64404001
I will admit, Jane Austen is one of my favourites, PO’Bs prose is clearly modelled on hers so I really don’t mind. Although I didn’t read any Austen until I’d already read lots of PO’B and originally I found Post-Captain a bit of a slog.
Anonymous No.64404672 [Report]
>episode ends
>"Here's forty shillings on the drum"
>after foiling Al-Duquos' plan to steal it, Sharpe's unit boards Bravo November in the sunset
Would it be, dare I say, kino?
Anonymous No.64404690 [Report]
>>64404669
>Also I definitely don’t think Diana had an affair with Jagiello, and in my mind she never had an affair post-Sweden.
She explicitely didn't have an affair with Jagiello (yes I believe her), but many comments about other men are very sus.
Like when Sophie was mad with Jack and she mentioned giving a try to the man who was touring the pussy every married woman in the neighbourhood. Or her keeping around Cholmondeley constantly, creating the exact same rumor she ran away from Stephen for.
>I will admit, Jane Austen is one of my favourites
Based
Anonymous No.64404697 [Report]
>>64396472
Actually, volley fire let the shooters wait until the smoke had cleared a little. It was an objectively slower rate of fire but useful at ranges where you actually had to aim.
Anonymous No.64404730 [Report] >>64404913
>>64404669
Don't shit on Jane Austen round here. Discussing which Bennet girl is best is peak /k/ulture.
Anonymous No.64404828 [Report]
>>64404228
They did.
Anonymous No.64404858 [Report]
Aubrey Maturin falls off around 6-8 books in when it starts getting formulaic and they start running out of actual historical events for the characters to be at.
Anonymous No.64404904 [Report] >>64408183
>>64395907
You can't AAAAAAAH *BANG* With a Benelli M4. The Nock Gun was known to break the shoulder when firing. It would need to be something like a grenade launcher firing shotgun rounds or one of those batshit Russian 4-gauge shotguns.
Anonymous No.64404913 [Report] >>64408183
>>64404730
when I was younger I thought Liz for sure. I wanted my women intelligent and witty and wouldn't settle for less

nowadays I think I'd be alright with Jane or even Mary. good-natured but dull is alright so long as she has comfy tits and isn't a bitch

>>64404669
>originally I found Post-Captain a bit of a slog
hah
I ignored POB for nigh on a decade despite devouring all of Hornblower and being a shipfag and watching the Maximus And Jarvis Show because I couldn't get past ten pages of Book 1, Master And Commander
all the reviews I'd read praised the action and relationship but failed to mention the language

it was only when I reoriented my head around the notion that I'm reading "what if Austen wrote Tom Clancy thrillers" that I really enjoyed the series
Anonymous No.64408183 [Report] >>64411659
>>64404904
What if he just uses a Carl Gustaf for every situation with magic horse evading rockets?
>>64404913
I think /k/ would write a great Jane Austen novel if they put their minds to it.
Anonymous No.64410805 [Report] >>64411659 >>64414233 >>64414686 >>64422473 >>64425469
>>64404293

Eh, that feels a bit mean. I get making jokes and all but Prince Harry was completely legit in his military service and far from doing it to show off he tried to avoid publicity (his first tour to Afgahnistan was cut short when the Drudge Report broke an embargo and reported on his deployment when they were trying to keep it secret).

Prince Harry might be considered an embarrassment now after his entanglement with Meghan Markle but he loved Army life and I really think that problems began when he was pressured to retire from the Army and take up a job as a full-time royal. It was just too soon: Prince Harry has always hated the media and he needed more time to make his peace with the press before going into the cameras every day. It baffles me that Prince Andrew, who has caused so much damage to the monarchy with his Epstein entanglements, was allowed to complete a full 22-year career in the military whereas Prince Harry had to leave after just 10.
Anonymous No.64410880 [Report] >>64411075
>>64397983
>We do understand why Sharpe did it
Clearly not, since you follow this up by going:

>and in real life some well-trained troops could achieve 4 rounds a minute without this dumb fictional technique
Yes, after training more than a day. While regular loading has a higher fire rate compared to the invented technique in Sharpe, the point is that there's no time to properly train them to fire at that rate with the regular technique so he uses an easier to do but ultimately flawed technique to barely scrape through.
Fuck it, here's an MS paint diagram. Please note that the standard technique has a higher potential RoF, but a lower minimum range, while the meme technique caps earlier, but is easier to get to that point.

>We are pointing out that it's a work of fiction and that it was never done in real life.
This is the crux of the actual issue, and I'm pretty sure it was never a thing.
Anonymous No.64410897 [Report]
>be the average crazy younger prince
>be on adventure why not
>get filmed doing sus things on your party boat
>jew handler makes you marry a brown girl

just had to stop cornholing he would have still been a royal. Maybe he could have owned up to it and just been avoided like prince andrew now.
Anonymous No.64411075 [Report]
>>64410880
>the point is that there's no time to properly train them
The comments I made >>64384463 did not reference the show at all, you pigheaded buffoon. I wasn't talking about the garbage show. I was telling people to stop recommending that worthless technique (known as spitloading) in real life. However, you changed my mind; clearly, your dumbass should put your pathetic mouth on the end of a gun's barrel. You could even enhance the technique by pulling the trigger after doing so.
Anonymous No.64411103 [Report] >>64412435
no need to dump on simmerson so much, he gets to be a good guy in the last movie
Anonymous No.64411659 [Report] >>64412435 >>64414233 >>64414673 >>64435341
>>64410805
the deal with the British Royals is that they get to enjoy their wealth so long as they support all those charities linked to their name, which is considerable. Phillip for example had over 300 official engagements in any given year. Harry and to a lesser extent William have not held up their end of the deal. Harry in particular flipflopped more than once between wanting out of the deal, and then crawling back when he had a taste of the commoner life, saw that it sucked and couldn't resist the gold
that is, until he was finally kicked out for good and his last attempt to crawl back was rebuffed
>was completely legit in his military service
yeah, that and £1 will get you a Freddo
every royal has wanted to serve in the military, but they've always been prevented from doing it by the Establishment, because the risk of losing a royal to enemy fire or God forbid, capture, would be disastrous. Harry was being indulged in his whims, as usual; also he was clearly the more expendable of the two.
(Andrew also had to fight tooth and nail to be included in the Falklands task force, and they compromised by giving him ASW and plane guard duty. I don't think he dropped any depth charges in anger, whereas Harry probably has blown apart a sandnigger or three.)

the (small number of pro-Royal) Govt officials want to walk the fine line of the glory of having each Royal do military service, while not risking their precious bums in combat. the Armed Forces also are complicit; they like the influence of having such powerful figures be familiar with their processes and thinking, but at the same time they don't want to cop it for losing a Royal, or advance any Royal to a position strong enough to have actual operational control. so they've always pursued this policy. IMHO, that just tears the heart out of the whole thing.

>>64408183
I certainly could, but it's not worth my time
kickstart me £1000 and I'll push out a full-fat Longbourn-fights-off-paki-rapist-horde in a month
Anonymous No.64411723 [Report]
>>64395609
They did, though. Have you ever considered that history is right and you are wrong, rather than the other way around you cynical fuckwit? Besides, lets not pretend like Anglos haven't been the protagonists of history for the last thousand years. Even today its their diaspora in the US that own the planet, the rest of you just live here.
Anonymous No.64411747 [Report] >>64425280
>>64399833
>These are not foreign though
>M16 is literally American, which is not Britain
>P226 is literally German, which is not Britain
>The actual definition of foreign

Are you retarded? You must be retarded.
Anonymous No.64412435 [Report] >>64412590 >>64413282
>>64411103
>On becoming insane I became a quite nice fellow, that's my style sir!
>>64411659
>kickstart me £1000 and I'll push out a full-fat Longbourn-fights-off-paki-rapist-horde in a month
I was thinking more just Pride and Prejudice but the Bennet girls are replaced with FN products?
Anonymous No.64412476 [Report]
>>64383322
Jake did 3.3 hitting the target, provided he wasn't using cartridges.
https://youtu.be/36zkulpTimc
Anonymous No.64412582 [Report]
>>64383303 (OP)
>>three volleys a minute
>>wins
>Was it that easy?
No, the side with a couple of small cannon won, every time.
Anonymous No.64412590 [Report] >>64412599 >>64413282
>>64412435
>>kickstart me £1000 and I'll push out a full-fat Longbourn-fights-off-paki-rapist-horde in a month
>I was thinking more just Pride and Prejudice but the Bennet girls are replaced with FN products?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxlo0xmD51Y
Anonymous No.64412595 [Report] >>64412600
>>64395907
>sharpe
>guns
His sword made him. Since there's no equivalent in the modern day I think he'd probably have the same sword
Anonymous No.64412599 [Report] >>64412603
>>64412590
I enjoyed that movie more than I should have.
Anonymous No.64412600 [Report] >>64413252 >>64413311
>>64412595
I have an original one, truth me told its a horrendous sword compared to the light cav 1796, much more a short thick lance affair for highly trained cavalry using the close charge than a sword.
Anonymous No.64412603 [Report] >>64412613
>>64412599
It missed the mark with me somehow when it would have been my cup of tea but it was the approriate reply. I am not British but have set bong to maximum in these posts.
Anonymous No.64412613 [Report]
>>64412603
I really missed the period when you got Bong shows that were about punching Johnny Foreigner in the face because a bullet was too good to waste!
Anonymous No.64412632 [Report]
>>64397438
>Why
consult rule 88 of /pol/
Anonymous No.64412633 [Report]
>>64387447
Not really. If the English had won it'd be a return to the days of Henry II and Richard I i.e. the English king would hardly spent any time in England and mostly concern themselves with their much wealthier French possessions.
Anonymous No.64413252 [Report]
>>64412600
Is it heavy and can he hold it with 2 hands while he bludgeons the concept of swordsmanship to death?
Anonymous No.64413282 [Report] >>64413294
>>64412590
yeah, that movie's on my to-watch list

>>64412435
I'm a literary whore, I'll do almost anything (except write LGBTQ+ horseshit) for the right price
>replaced with FN products
what would they be though?
IMHO,
Jane = FAL
Liz = MAG
Mary = P90
Lydia = Five-Seven
Kitty = F2000
?
Anonymous No.64413294 [Report] >>64413321
>>64413282
What about it being a tale about the FNC trying to desperately get adopted into service?
Anonymous No.64413311 [Report]
>>64412600
What about a sword and shield with a cool horn he can blow on, maybe the horn is named after a kingdom of some kind?
Anonymous No.64413321 [Report]
>>64413294
hm
what would FN's top 3 products be? cause it'd have to be about FN products for both sides for the P&P plot to make sense. you'd have to have Jane, Liz, Darcy or Bingley be their best, with either Darcy or Liz being the FNC in your conception
Anonymous No.64413330 [Report]
>>64404542
There's 40 children on the drumb...
Anonymous No.64413336 [Report] >>64413344 >>64413635
Let me show you a little trick I learned at talavera
Anonymous No.64413344 [Report] >>64413624 >>64413647
>>64413336
>what's the colour of the boathouse at Shorncliffe?
Anonymous No.64413345 [Report] >>64413393
>>64383303 (OP)
The first three were fine but by the time they did the Aztec gold I was getting tired of officers yelling at sharpe in a field.
Anonymous No.64413393 [Report]
>>64413345
English officers/nobles/people's arrogance know no bounds
Anonymous No.64413624 [Report] >>64413892
>>64413344

The funny thing is, "what's the colour of the boathouse at Hereford" is meant to be the question you ask to show up the ignorance of some Walt and prove that he isn't a super-secret elite operator (and second man on the balcony at the Iranian Embassy siege)...

...but there is actually a boathouse at Hereford. It's brown and white.
Anonymous No.64413635 [Report] >>64413865
>>64413336

Rarity value in that Sean Bean actually survives this movie, when they dismiss him as a liability to finding the case, they just pay him off and tell him to fuck off.
Anonymous No.64413647 [Report]
>>64413344
>How the FUCK should I know?
Anonymous No.64413865 [Report] >>64414646
>>64413635
Because they cut the scene where they ice him after they part ways.
Anonymous No.64413892 [Report] >>64426184
>>64413624
It doesn't matter if there's a boathouse. That's not the point. The question was designed to rattle him and put him on the off foot because he was obviously bullshitting.

If he was who he said he was, he wouldn't have been rattled, he wouldn't have retreated from Sam, and he wouldn't have been surprised by a coffee cup because he would have been aware of his surroundings.
Anonymous No.64414233 [Report]
>>64411659
>>64410805
I saw Harry in Kandahar and a guy on my unit got to have dinner with him in the mess. This was after his actual tours but he came out again for remembrance day. He just walked about in the same uniform as anyone else and his personal security were running around looking for him because he kept wandering way from them, he was surrounded by dozens if not hundreds of armed soliders and he didn't see the point.
Guy who had dinner with him said it wasn't anything special and they just had the regular table chatter we would have on any other day.
Anonymous No.64414646 [Report]
>>64413865
>Because they cut the scene where they ice him after they part ways.
Maybe DeNero learnt his lesson from Heat and told the Irish chick to just pay him off because the other thing doesn't always go so well.
Anonymous No.64414673 [Report]
>>64411659
>every royal has wanted to serve in the military, but they've always been prevented from doing it by the Establishment
They're not prevented, just carefully placed.
Sure they don't go into high risk zones and Harry was probably an exception with that but they do all serve and it's an important part of the role.
I think the monarchy should be done away with but not for anything to do with the military, they do very well by serving.
Anonymous No.64414686 [Report] >>64415106 >>64416266 >>64416289 >>64417074 >>64419688
>>64410805
>Prince Harry might be considered an embarrassment now after his entanglement with Meghan Markle
Everyone misinterprets that relationship.
She's his life-line to escape the environment that killed his mother. It's about getting the fuck out but without having to be poor.
Anonymous No.64415106 [Report] >>64415180
>>64414686
>the environment that killed his mother
She died of old age at 96. She might not have been happy, but her environment wasn't killing her.
Anonymous No.64415180 [Report] >>64415209 >>64415800
>>64415106
His mom was Diana, the queen was his grandmother
Anonymous No.64415209 [Report]
>>64415180
Damn, the environment actually did kill his mother; my bad.
Anonymous No.64415800 [Report]
>>64415180
>the queen was his grandmother
And she died in 2022. Even one of his great-grandmothers lived until 2002.
Anonymous No.64416266 [Report] >>64425504
>>64414686

Eh, I'm not sure if Meghan sees it that way. She was a middling TV actress and clearly thought that latching onto Prince Harry would be a shortcut to allow her to leapfrog straight to super-stardom. However, she did not realise that Hollywood Royalty and actual royalty are two very different things: she wasn't prepared to do the drudge work of day-to-day royalty shuffling around and smiling through boring provincial presentations, hence her flouncing off back to SoCal. Even a house in Montecito, so she can pretend she's part of the A-List which is what she truly craved.
Anonymous No.64416289 [Report] >>64416637 >>64417074 >>64425598
>>64414686
>She's his life-line to escape the environment that killed his mother. It's about getting the fuck out but without having to be poor.
Have you seen the interview where he speaks about he Markle forced him to sell off his gun collection?
There an incredibly pain in his eyes despite the prince trying his best to keep a straight face.
No way in hell he's happy with his relationship.
Anonymous No.64416637 [Report]
>>64416289
What a little fag
Anonymous No.64417074 [Report] >>64417159
>>64414686
>>64416289
You know the two statements are perfectly compatible: dude wanted to run off and he was willng to throw himself in a trap relationship if that was what it took.
Anonymous No.64417159 [Report]
>>64417074
Oh please he already far down the line by the point he married her. He could have just stopped appearing in public and he would have been fine.
Anonymous No.64417172 [Report] >>64417429 >>64417531
>>64383303 (OP)
Early rifles had some real benefits for sure as weapons for regulars (I think British rifles had significant success in French-owned Spain and later in the Hundred Days) but reloading before cartridges was so slow and fraught that cavalry with sabres were still often devastating. Also, rifled barrels were at the bleeding edge of manufacturing technology when introduced. It would be a long time before rifles could be produced at meaningful scale, much less as a standard-issue weapon.
Anonymous No.64417429 [Report] >>64417531
>>64417172
To my understanding, the main thing holding them back was that a rifled barrel is more awkward to muzzle load with round shot (unless using a significantly undersized ball, which is going to hinder your ballistics to the point that you might as well be using a smoothbore)
this only really changed with the Minié ball, because it could be cast narrower than the bore and then expand to fill it when fired, giving the best of both worlds with rifle ballistics and a smoothbore rate of fire
Anonymous No.64417531 [Report] >>64417587
>>64417172
>>64417429

The other thing was that fouling with black powder is significant, and happens much faster with a rifled barrel compared to a smoothbore. What this means is that it gets progressively more difficult to load. The tighter the tolerances on the gun, the quicker is fouls.

You can fire maybe 10 shots with a Baker rifle before the barrel starts getting fouled enough where it becomes more difficult to load. Once you're at around 20, it becomes impossible to reload without cleaning it.

A smoothbore musket like a Brown Bess can fire somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 shots before becoming too fouled to continue firing without cleaning it.
Anonymous No.64417587 [Report]
>>64417531
Brown bess is such a slug slut
Anonymous No.64418112 [Report] >>64418304
>>64395584
Has anyone seen the King’s Colors? I swear they were right here...
Anonymous No.64418304 [Report]
>>64418112
Excusez-moi, monsieur, but I believe I may 'ave seen zem très récemment.
Anonymous No.64418373 [Report] >>64419449 >>64420419
>>64398630
>Nah Sharpe's gear is non-standard only because he wants to have grunt weapons he's used to rather than what's best, so he should use shit stolen from the armory of some other unit rather than anything explicitely foreign.

so you're telling me that he'd be using an L1A1/FAL? Checks out.
Anonymous No.64419449 [Report] >>64419556
>>64398630
>>64418373
Sharpe is an elite rifleman attached for convenient plot purposes to a freshly-formed line regiment. he's not carrying around exotic weaponry for shits and giggles, he's carrying it around because it's better. he's the equivalent of a major or even colonel refusing to roll around with a pistol and instead carrying a HK 416 - in a National Guard unit.
Anonymous No.64419556 [Report] >>64419561 >>64425070
>>64419449
>he's the equivalent of a major or even colonel refusing to roll around with a pistol and instead carrying a HK 416 - in a National Guard unit.
So you agree that he's carrying that shit for shit and giggles.
Besides, even leaving the rifle aside, he still goes out of his way to get a heavy cavalry trooper's sword, instead of the much higher quality and typically custom officer variants.
>it's because he's poor
There's a whole book about him coveting the top of the line sword of a french officer, which ends with him getting it, throwing it away, and going back to his trooper piece of shit.
Because god forbid he gets anything nice beyond a ride on the slut of the week, he's gotta be working class.
Anonymous No.64419561 [Report] >>64419594
>>64419556
>So you agree that he's carrying that shit for shit and giggles
>64419449
>he's carrying it around because it's better
if you can't read a 59-word post thoroughly what's the point of discussing novels with you?
Anonymous No.64419594 [Report]
>>64419561
No I read and understood fine. You're the one not grasping the implications of what you write.
Anonymous No.64419688 [Report]
>>64414686
what the fuck is this nonsense? Marrying a D-tier celebrity ain't get him out of jack shit.
Anonymous No.64420419 [Report]
>>64418373
Why not a Bren?
Anonymous No.64420460 [Report] >>64427455
>>64383303 (OP)
I really want more Napoleonic kino but after Ridley Scott dropped the ball I don't believe anything made nowadays could satisfy me.
Anonymous No.64422473 [Report]
>>64410805
>might be
KEK
Anonymous No.64425070 [Report] >>64425467
>>64419556
> goes out of his way to get a heavy cavalry trooper's sword, instead of the much higher quality and typically custom officer variants.
He uses the heavy cavalry sword because it suits his swordsmanship style(hacking at an opponent like a maniac)
Anonymous No.64425280 [Report]
>>64411747
>By Jove, hold my tea and crumpets, did you just imply my good sir that these are proper Bri'ish firearms, when in fact they weren't made by Nigel and Rupert in a shed in Fishandchipsington-on-Thames? Have at you!
No, I mean they're properly in the British Army inventory, you squiggly-toothed dense cretin.
Anonymous No.64425390 [Report] >>64426225
>>64395912
If I wanted chatgpts opinion I'd have asked Google for it
Anonymous No.64425467 [Report]
>>64425070
>He uses the heavy cavalry sword
You missed the point: he uses a trooper's sword instead of an officer's sword.
Anonymous No.64425469 [Report] >>64425477
>>64410805
Anonymous No.64425477 [Report]
>>64425469
tangentially related: there's this old book called camp of the saints where europe is overrun by migrants, causing european nations to completely collapse
there's a part where prince (at the time) charles is forced to marry a pakistani woman
just food for thought
Anonymous No.64425504 [Report] >>64425526 >>64438386
>>64416266
This. In reality, being a member of the British royal family is basically a government PR job (especially for a minor royal like Harry/Meghan would have been).

Meghan also committed the cardinal sin of whining about how hard being a royal was, when the attitude of the British public has always been "you get to live in palaces and attended to by servants on the taxpayer dime; suck it up". One of the main reasons we still have a monarchy is that they understand this attitude and never, ever, publicly complain.
Anonymous No.64425526 [Report]
>>64425504
>One of the main reasons we still have a monarchy is that they understand this attitude and never, ever, publicly complain.
this, it must suck balls at time to not get to decide anything major about your own life without protocol, the household and the government looking over your shoulder.
but it's the suck that pays for all the rest so you suck it up
Anonymous No.64425598 [Report]
>>64416289
>Markle forced him to sell off his gun collection
lmoa
Anonymous No.64426184 [Report] >>64426364
>>64413892

>It doesn't matter if there's a boathouse.

Well, it kinda-sorta does. "What's the colour of the boathouse at Hereford?" was a bit on a British Army in-joke: it was more of an 80s-90s thing, during a period when the Iranian Embassy Siege and Andy McNab's book Bravo Two Zero gave the SAS two long spurts of very high-profile public celebrity. The question is a bit obsolete now, but it would still have been very relevant and current for a mid-90s movie like Ronin.

This was a time when every pub had some guy propping up the bar who insisted that he was a super-elite special operator with "The Regiment" but couldn't tell you about any of it and you couldn't look him up because Official Secrets Act, chum. "Oh yeah? What's the colour of the boathouse at Hereford?" was what you'd quip back at him to tell him he was talking total tripe.

One of these sorts was my landlord once. I sat through an entire afternoon politely listening to him recount his exploits for the sake of not getting my rent raised. Among other things, he had:

-Fought a gun battle with the IRA on an industrial estate in Cork, Ireland over recpaturing some special sniper rifle the Irish been given by the CIA. It was all hushed up.

-He'd investigated the death of Colonel "H" Jones during the Falklands War and had found proof he'd been fragged but was told to keep it quiet.

-He'd run operations on the Thai-Cambodian border during the Vietnam War.

-He'd spent time as a mercenary rescuing people from kidnappers in South Africa.

Bear in mind that this was all coming from a fat bald guy with a retirement plaque from a plumbing company on his wall.
Anonymous No.64426225 [Report]
>>64425390
>chatgpt
Fuck you.
Anonymous No.64426364 [Report] >>64426568
>>64426184
>with a retirement plaque from a plumbing company on his wall.
Could be worse. Could have been a Rock Ape.
Anonymous No.64426568 [Report] >>64426598
>>64426364
>Could be worse. Could have been a Rock Ape.

Gibraltar monkeys? I don't get what you mean.
Anonymous No.64426598 [Report]
>>64426568
I don't know what they mean either but gives mean excuse to post this.
Anonymous No.64426608 [Report]
>>64383303 (OP)
Brits were a minor power during Napoleonic wars
Anonymous No.64426620 [Report] >>64427123 >>64427342 >>64429696
>>64389167
What blockade lmao
Anonymous No.64427123 [Report]
>>64426620

>What blockade

The one which had BOATS!
Anonymous No.64427342 [Report]
>>64426620

Napoleon's failure to impose the Continental System and make the other nations of Europe cease maritime traing with Britain was one of the biggest things to undermine his supremacy.

British naval supremacy was also what ultimately caused Napoleon to give up Louisiana to the USA - Napoleon knew that he had no means of supporting the territory with the Royal Navy blocking the way, so he may as well sell it off. America thus has Britain to thank for crossing the Mississippi.
Anonymous No.64427455 [Report] >>64429653
>>64420460
>Ridley Scott
To be fair, the director of the movie dropped the ball with the shitty story, all we can blame Mr.Scott (a producer) for are the dull, lifeless colors and lighting the movie had.
Anonymous No.64429653 [Report] >>64430539
>>64427455

I thought he directed it too?
Anonymous No.64429696 [Report] >>64429851
>>64426620
>Be Napoleon
>Can't invade Britain because they have all the boats
>idea.jpg
>declare a continent-wide blockade
>get your new buttbuddy tsar Alexander in on it as well
>The British switch to smuggling
>notice Portugal doesn't comply with your embargo
>start the peninsular to bring them in as well
>make Spain your bitch because why not
>the Iberians open up Latin America to British commerce, negating your embargo
>not you kept to that embargo yourself, with Napoleon issuing special licence so French farmer could export grain to Britain.
>Tariff revenue plumits, port cities become poverty stricken
>Source the lost income by bleeding the rest of Europe out
>Alexander has had enough and decides to flout the rules
>invade Russia
Anonymous No.64429851 [Report] >>64430224
>>64429696
To be fair who would pay attention to a Corsican upstart?
Anonymous No.64430224 [Report]
>>64429851
Lord Hood perhaps
Anonymous No.64430539 [Report]
>>64429653
Did he? In that case he did fuck up; you're right. I'm so used to him being a producer that I forgot he sometimes directs.
Anonymous No.64430717 [Report] >>64432985
>>64384180
Tapping the rifle on its butt wouldn’t do anything, you sexual deviant.
Anonymous No.64432985 [Report]
>>64430717
I read this comment in his voice.
Anonymous No.64435341 [Report]
>>64411659
>yeah, that and £1 will get you a Freddo

Cynical and True are two separate words. Prince Harry WAS legit in Afghanistan. The whle reason he retrained for Apaches for his second tour was so that he could have a front-line role without the "you're a VIP exposing the rest of your unit to danger" whinging from the sidelines that happened whenever he went somewhere on foot.

>you're just some forelock-tugging bootlicker

I give credit where it's due and Prince Harry earned his.
Anonymous No.64438386 [Report]
>>64425504

Yeah, Meghan clearly expected that royal life would be one big round of ging to fancy balls and being admired for designer fashion that the labels would be on their knees begging her to wear. She did not anticipate being instructed that she was going to cut the ribbon on a new Aldi in Llandudno then spend the afternoon in the local council offices nibbling on stale sandwiches and politely pretending to be interested in the man with the fourth-largest collection of pencils in North Wales.
Anonymous No.64438859 [Report]
>>64395723
I understand your point regarding the context (and accept the tap-loading for it) but opening the cartridge backwards still doesn't help, and if anything makes the process take longer: if done conventionally then they could just shove the cartridge down the muzzle, whereas by separating the shot beforehand they have to follow that with an additional action (i.e. the spitting) to load it separately