Thread 64384385

>chink gear literally on par with high end gears
>despite being cheaper
>also functions the same and have the same NIR compliance
At this point, high end gear companies are simply ripping the government off and people are also too stupid to buy high end gear at their current price when there are better alternatives to it that functions the same. Not sure why they keep getting contracts. Although I do see federal agents starting to wear airsoft knock offs of cryes.

>>64384385 (OP)
Yes where do you think most companies source their shit from? Same reason Holosun will probably be on every bugs rifle in the war too. People can't resist cheap shit (I am no better).

>>64384385 (OP)
I own both cryes and chink airsoft shit. Airsoft shit functions better than cryes for some reason in my experience despite it being around $70. Even regular army shit like the IHWCU and ACU are better in my opinion. Overrated gear in my opinion while serving. Practically the SUPREME of the gear market.

>At this point, high end gear companies are simply ripping the government off and people are also too stupid to buy high end gear at their current price when there are better alternatives to it that functions the same.
Well, that and they're paying for American labor, sometimes by choice but mostly for berry compliance. If we used Uighur slaves who sewed for 14 hours a day under threat of death, we could probably make 80 dollar cryes too. But unfortunately crye employs people from Brooklyn where the average rent is 3k, so the end product costs more.

People say that China gave up on communism. This isn't completely true.
Chinese geopolitical thinking remains strictly based on communism with Chinese characteristics. Capitalistic means were adapted as a means to an end.
They've obviously seized the means of production, and now they aim to ally themselves with the working class of the world.
That's right, if you work a 9 to 5, China wants you to succeed and join their vision - where success isn't measured by joining the ownership class through permanent pension/investment pumping, but by having a higher quality of life through productivity, and by lifting the underclass (a growing population in North America) out of poverty.

Case in point, they do this by proliferating luxury goods at cheap prices.
By maneuvering their industrial base to lower the cost of high end items (by any means necessary, including industrial espionage), they ensure the workers of the world have top tier quality goods for their toil.
>B-but they collapsed American companies to do this
American capitalist companies have the end goal of charging and making more money, not making more goods available to better everyone's life.
Look at how even their government is now charging tariffs on their own people to make more government revenue, while China spends subsidies to ensure better infrastructure for making more stuff.
Americans didn't want to make your stuff, don't want to make your stuff, and will not make your stuff.

>>64384385 (OP)
Most "Made in USA" products were manufactured in China, then brought to the US where they were "modified".
Crye IS chink shit

>>64384447
>American labor
Anon, sometimes they still outsource that shit to Honduras or El Salvador and they still up charge to the heavens. “American made” is a scam even by berry compliance.

>>64384395
>Same reason Holosun will probably be on every bugs rifle in the war too. People can't resist cheap shit (I am no better).
I will defend chinksun over trijicon after using both the RMR and 509t. Unironically a better sight in every regard.
Verdict is out on the RMRHD, but honestly I'm not spending $800 dollarydoos on a triji product anymore.
Maybe aimpoint will finally get it right some day.

>>64384453
>That's right, if you work a 9 to 5, China wants you to succeed and join their vision
I aint working no 996 sweatshop job in a surveillance state shithole where I can't own guns no thanks.

>>64384447
Cheap labor is the foundation of cheap low end goods, not cheap high end goods.
Once you get into high end manufacturing (cars for example), you quickly find out that assisted assembly has dropped in price and depends just as much on energy pricing and material availability as it does on actual labor.
The problem is that you need reliable infrastructure like energy, machines, internet connection and transportation to lessen labor, none of which is available in America.
Instead, the money printer covers the military, Medicaid, and corporate investments that go straight into dividends.
The senators all brag when they manage to stretch a supply chain into their state, as opposed to having actual productivity.
Even these national priority projects come out shoddy. The weapons that end up being made have a supply chain that can be very much interfered with across a widespread geographic area - America's natural physical barriers is the only reason it hasn't gotten exploited.

>>64384385 (OP)
>IIT: two chinkslop shills samefag and talk to each other.

>>64384482
China lacks a proper middle class because it needs its population to work low wages in factories. Its going to have major Japan syndrome in the coming years as the younger Chinese will want comfy office jobs and all of a sudden Chinese labor will cost too much.

>>64384470
9-9-6 is meant for inner city office jobs. It's a means to avoid the mesh network problem of communication.
The pencil pushers are meant to be miserable, not off enjoying the fruits of labourers.
Does it not seem odd to you that worker protections meant for factory workers now extend to office workers, while your blue collar professionals are asked for constant overtime?

>>64384385 (OP)
>Not sure why they keep getting contracts.
They know. This retardation is why the US Army cut Crye contracts and made their own pattern of pants.

>>64384505
Chinese construction workers work 60-80 hours a week and don't even get paid consistently.

In the case of a very rare possibility that the inhumans in this thread can actually read and understand English:

All you're doing is hardening my decision to feel nothing when I shoot communists, at home and abroad, in the inevitable coming global war. I don't care about your inhuman life, your families, your people as a whole.
Just keep on lying. Just keep doing it. I beg of you to not stop. Keep up with the bullshit, the lies, the low IQ attempts at manipulation.
I don't even get angry or disappointed anymore. Every word you choose to post only solidifies further my understanding that you need to die for the betterment of humanity.

Xi Jinping is a stupid bitch and the Chinese will find out, yet again, that they are nothing but the mud we wipe from our boots.

lol west taiwan construction.

>>64384507
Crye still gets contracts, they just don’t have a hand in making ACUs anymore. But they still receive contracts for SOF and maybe for regular troops because they can’t live without it for some reason. High end gear companies always have a connection to still receive money unfortunately

>>64384514
>I'm gonna kill all the chingchongs!
It's odd.
Faust took the bargain with Mephistopheles, then preserved his eternal soul by realizing his folly.
This is called fiction.
Do you see America having learned anything from all of this? Are the people around you genuinely willing to work for their future?
Will you be going to war alongside these people?

>>64384514
you ain't shootin' anyone gweilo. what is getting shot thought is the anegrican economy, 2.3 trillion dollars gone in less than 24 hours. now beg for those rare earths you timmy can't mine neither in your homeland nor abroad in one of your puppet states.
next time behave and don't play trade wars with your schlomoberg promise-based economy.

>>64384543
Ok commie.

>>64384447
>much cheap labor
China has been more expensive than Mexico for a decade. American managers are just complete trash.

>>64384595
We're paying you to handle all our pollution lmfao. We don't mine rare earths because you are willing to do all the filthy work for us.

>>64384647
yeah yeah right. now get on your knees and beg

>>64384647
The refining is the big pollution causer.
This specific topic was going on on /g/ and /pol/ nearly 15 years ago.
USA "sold" the refining rights and shut down on-shore processing beginning in the late 70s because of the extreme chemical pollution it creates.

At a high, broad level overview you could say the US spent nearly 50 years cleaning our environment and thus facilitating a healthy, strong people meanwhilst'd've the Chinese have been destroying theirs.

>>64384595
>>64384667
The problem with chinks is they have no theory of mind for non-chinks. Hence they do idiotic things like their rare-earths spazzout.

>>64384749
Wrong, the problem with chinks is that they're not selling us their rare earth products
How dare they! Donnie, crank up the tariffs! We must tax our people for buying their stuff harder!

>>64384613
>China has been more expensive than Mexico for a decade. American managers are just complete trash.
Manufacturing is moving there and generally out of China. However, it takes a long time. China's rise to the worlds workshop took about 30 years, so it will take at least another 30 to move stuff elsewhere. But its happening, its an inevitability.

>>64384764
>Chink literally cannot comprehend the mind of non-Chinks
Thank you for the proof of concept.

>>64384749
go ahead, put another 100% tariff

>>64384777
>go ahead, put another 100% tariff
Already have. The reason the changs are spazzing out is because of tariffs, and they have accomplished more tariffs.

Xi has, once again, overplayed his hand.

>>64384781
"Overplayed his hand" might be overselling it.
There's no winners in a trade war, but one tends to lose more if they blink first.
Which country do you think will blink first, the one where they stayed in lockdown for multiple years without issue, or the one that burned down Minneapolis the very first summer when the citizens were told to stay inside?

>>64384781
hate to break this down to you but out of ALL imports in china only 2% come from the united states. you literally had a chinese diplomat on live tv saying losing the united states market is irrelevant
the us on the other hand... crazy stuff
it's not even a restriction itself you just literally have to ask for permission to import those earths first, same thing china was doing since the dawn of time

>>64384808
Where does China sell its goods? What happens if China can no longer access its no 1 market?

>>64384801
>Which country do you think will blink first
The one which doesn't understand its opponent.

>>64384674
>facilitating a healthy, strong people
Completely ridiculous statement for a population racked with ailments, the foremost being life changing obesity. You are clearly some kind of shill and not a real person.

>>64384831
We're going to break you.

>>64384827
>obesity is a sign of weakness
Then why was that guy in China recently disappeared for buying an elderly lady $5USD worth of vegetables and meat?

>>64384815
>Where does China sell its goods?
the rest of the world
>What happens if China can no longer access its no 1 market?
china's number 1 export market is the rest of asian countries, the us ranks 4th which china will still access anyways (at an overprice) (for americans lol)

>>64384839
Do it Kyle. Try it.
Deplete your stockpile. Taiwan isn't even on yet.

>>64384857
Weird that there would be such an agressive respoinse from Beijing if the US market isnt so important. Using the nuclear option for a seemingly irrelevant market, when Americans pay the "cost" of tariffs is interesting.

>>64384863
Say less.

>>64384857
The bulk of chinese money comes from those egregiously overpriced US sales.
Or are you going to try to tell me Bongchou in Myanmar is spending $80 for a $7 flashlight?

The US may be $17% of china's export but we are >%50 your money. We stop buying, you stop having a job. It's as simple as that.

>>64384874
It’s totally unimportant. Beijing’s having a full-blown meltdown only because the U.S. market is so irrelevant. And that shiny new rare earth rule (you know, the one set to hammer every single trading partner) is clearly just a casual reaction to a minuscule slice of their exports.

>>64384874
>The US may be $17% of china's export but we are >%50 your money
We may need to improve the American education system solely for the purposes of having less retards to argue again

all these eastoids still talking about cryes and 'gucci' shit years after the gear queer people stopped caring about overt military garments.

like ya great you figured out how to make synthetic fabrics that dont shine like the sun under nods

>>64384874
china sells 7 dollars (manufacturing cost) flashlights for 7 dollars and 50 cents. it's quite literally your very own people reselling them on amazon for 80 dollars + tax + tip
>>64384872
the us has been putting tariffs on chinese goods for well over a year. you simply don't get to complain now that china has slapped you back.

>>64384385 (OP)
Nice, after 30 yrs of trying they've finally managed to copy western wonderwaffle uniforms. Truly implessive.

>>64384884
Careful there, the chinky shills can't tell how sarcastic you're being.

>>64384892
Sorry dude, Amazon seller company name QHCJIFJBVV is not an American.

>>64384892
>you simply don't get to complain
I'm not. I'm thrilled with what Xi has done. By showing the extreme risk in having all REM supply chains in China, and doing it in a way that no one can ignore it, we can now start pumping money into decoupling. Private sector has already responded with shares for REM refiners and miners surging 12-20%.

Like I said with my very first post, the Chinese problem is they dont have a theory of mind for non-chinks. You literally cannot comprehend how the Western brain works.

>>64384898
what you don't like WARFUN or TACTICSMAN?

>>64384898
it's an american scalper in a warehouse that bought 200 of those flashlights
you can buy them straight from china if you want

>>64384898
Probably Jewish, yeah.
Anyhow just go on AliExpress for the real prices. They cut you good deal gweilo.

>>64384892
Riiiiight, that rule that's aimed at literally every country is definitely in response to US tariffs, on account of how meaningless we are for their other exports? I think the tariffs were dumb, but blindly lashing out at everybody is a great way to take them from something that could have easily ended on its own or with meaningless gestures and turn it into a global trade war.

>>64384904
You're completely fucking retarded for thinking this argument could possibly work.

>>64384905
The prices for the real same product on ali are hardly any different from the chinese amazon drop shippers especially if you consider the shipping and import fees.

>>64384453
>Chinese geopolitical thinking remains strictly based on communism with Chinese characteristics.
that is regular chink imperialism chang. CCP is nothing more then another dynasty. the kind that started out by physically destroying all the heritage of previous ones and killing anybody with a working brain. as is on par with red terror principles

communism has always been a thinly veiled reskin of ancient feudalism and monarchy but chinks take the practical joke to another level in that they have zero social programs. like those state backed pensions western societies are moaning over as they cover themselves in debt to keep servicing old geezers? chinks have no pension system for anybody that aint a high ranking party official. for mummies its either work yourself to (literal) death or live in the dumpster as a homeless or have kids that support you in your twilight

as for (you) I wish many encounters with raw pork parasites and gutter oil laced dishes in your path

>>64384915
>especially if you consider the shipping and import fees.
That's kind of disingenuous after slapping a significant tariff on all imports, gweilo.
On a completely unrelated note, did you know that American businesses have been eating the cost on tariffs? I wonder how they got their margins so high that they can eat these tariffs to begin with.
Nothing you need to worry about I'm sure, gweilo.

>>64384907
last time I checked the news the us put tariffs on every country in the world. china is simply playing ball

>>64384921
>Sell capitalism by insisting it's a natural order that's the result of organic human interactions
>Ignore the thousands of years when feudalism and despotism was the rule everywhere
Sometimes I really don't understand you anon.

>>64384923
Oh, absolutely — the new U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods? Totally meaningless. Practically nothing. Beijing is only slightly losing its collective mind over them because they don’t matter at all.

The furious statements, emergency economic meetings, and panicked editorials are obviously just a fun hobby for the Politburo.

Oh, and don’t forget — we’ve been told only Americans pay for tariffs. Which means, clearly, China’s outrage is just deep humanitarian concern for the American shopper. Beijing isn’t angry because its export sectors are getting hammered — no, it’s losing sleep over rising toaster prices at Walmart. How thoughtful.

>>64384937
More than happy to concede that communisum is devolutionary

united statians will say "chinks are irrelevant amerika stronk" and then hit you with these gems

>>64384952
Oh, absolutely — because obviously a stock market that only goes up forever is the pinnacle of economic wisdom.

>>64384447
You have no idea what you're talking about. Even if you did, the Chinese solution to radical Islamic terrorism was cheaper, ruined fewer lives, and actually worked at its stated aims - unlike the GWOT.

>>64384923
First off the tarriffs are a self-imposed tax that goes to funding my own people,
Second the tarriffs apply to all those imports regardless of source of purchase outlet
Third,
>eating the cost on tarriffs
Lol you're the dumbest person I've had the misfortune of interacting with all week.

Kill yourself.

>Changs cant handle sarcasm
Interesting.

>>64384962
China has done nothing to combat global terrorism.

>>64384952
I really fucking hope chinks make the AI bubble pop

>>64384967
>China has done nothing to combat us funded terrorist groups
why would chinks do such thing? it's quite literally not their problem

>>64384952
It's actually kind of a genius move.
The deal was that the government invests in businesses -> businesses invest in infrastructure -> infrastructure leads to higher productivity and profits -> profits get shared with the government who invest back into company.
American corporations broke the deal by directly taking the money without increasing productivity, so now the government is taxing their margins with tariffs.
I'm sure all this money is going into infrastructure to increase productivity.
Baltimore bridge is going to get rebuilt any day boys!

>>64384977
He's talking about how the Hahn ethnically cleansed their Uyghur minority.

>>64384981
>The deal was that the government invests in businesses -> businesses invest in infrastructure -> infrastructure leads to higher productivity and profits -> profits get shared with the government who invest back into company.
No, Chang, the US does not and has never followed the Chinese model.

>>64384595
The issue isn't mining. It's refining, which will never happen without accepting some degree of pollution, lower living standards, and telling a bunch of wholesome chungus small businesses and farmers "go fuck yourself, we're using eminent domain to get the land for the refinery".

Trump and that cocksucker Lutnick lack the will or talent to actually do this, hence the half measures that have blown up in their face. It took Japan a decade to get their REM sourcing to a mere 40% Chinese, but these delusional children think this can be accomplished on a dime.

>>64384982
who said uyghurs were exterminated? the us? you better look at the native americans

>>64384987
We're not Japan. We manifested chip fabs out of thin air, we'll do this too.

>>64384989
>China has the morality of 1860's America
Conversational TKO.

>>64384963
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4GzsSoE7OiI&t=319s

>>64384992
>We're not Japan.
You wish you were.

>>64384892
Actually, it's probably a response to a recent round of export restrictions reneging on what Ryan and Donald agreed to in Madrid.

Why do you think Ryan has been harping on Trump and Biden not doing what was agreed to at the negotiating table for the last few years. If anything, China has shown remarkable restraint against a country who's explicitly stated position is "we are trying to destroy your economy and make you poor." Like nigga, at least let an agreement get to it's half life before you start breaking it.

>>64385006
>You wish you were.
No we really dont. We went from a 0% share of global chip production in 2020 and we'll be at 28% of global market share by 2032.

There's a chinese, communist rich-power people meeting and planning get together in my very own state of New Jersey next week that I've had my eye on since two months ago.
I'm going to invoke my interpretation of section 50 U.S.C. §§ 841–844 and waste all of the bastards.

>>64385010
>the Western mind
>I have no theory for it

>>64385014
Impressive.
Very nice.
Let's see China's numbers.

>>64384967
They solved Islamic terrorism by throwing a few 100k people in jail over 10-15 years, maybe executed a couple thousand, and increased gendarmerie presence in the relevant reasons.

The Global War on Terror killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, created a massive refugee crisis in Europe, and increased Muslim immigration to the US to the point that the US actually had Islamic domestic terrorism. As we've seen with ISIS, Hamas, and Hezbollah - it didn't meaningfully dent radical Islamic paramilitaries and kept creating new ones.

The Chinese solution to the Uighur problem was frankly more humane when you look at body counts, and again actually accomplished its stated goals.

>>64385015
Hey glowies, if this guy doesn't get swatted I'm taking it as tacit admission that you did Charlie Kirk too

>>64384982
They didn't, but go off.

>>64385029
The glowies dont give a fuck about the opinions of commie aligned, self hating, self-peoples hating trannies.

>>64385040
But I'm friends with them on discord!

>>64385049
Who the commie self hating trannies or the chinese CCP shills?

>>64385053
The glowies.

>>64385020
Do you have a real point, or are you just going to regurgitate bullshit of the Loki Julianus School of China Studies?

Did the US renege on its agreement in Madrid within the last month? Yes or no. Has the Chinese party line over the last few years been that the US has reneged on agreed terms? Yes or no. Did China significantly retaliate prior to April 2925 and LIBERATION DAY? Yes or no.

>All this retarded discussion
The reason behind Trump's yesterday sperging on TRUTH is because the chink export restriction effectively nukes the US' and EU's weapons industry at all levels above small arms
Literally nukes it and was directly aimed at it which is why you see in the chink chart elements no one has heard of before but if you look into them they are used for stuff like aircraft radars, ram coating, laser designators, optics, missile seekers or even supercomputers
See for example Erbium, used for lasers, optics and when it's alloyed with vanadium it's used to make fighter aircraft fuselages because it's extremely heat resistant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erbium
The whole list is just like this

>>64385058
Yes I know who the global problem causing conspirators are, hence I named them. So are you friends with these glowies?

>>64385063
>US citizen wants funs
>ATF throws endless paperwork and background check at citizen
>US government wants advanced weaponry
>China wants assurance and export controls for components
>WHAT CHYNA HAS DONE IS UNPRECEDENTED, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, WE WILL BREAK THEM
I mean bro ain't wrong, I really don't understand the western mind.

>>64385063
Naturally, Trump will throw another tantrum and tariff Japan for some bizarre reason.

>>64385023
>Let's see China's numbers.
30% by 2032. Thats an 8% increase from today as opposed to the 28% increase from the US.

>>64385061
No.

>>64384453
>They've obviously seized the means of production
by changing hands from shareholders to the state? if they were truly communistic they'd turn all those companies into co-ops lmao

>>64385063
Oh and BTW mining most of those elements is FORBIDDEN in the US and EU together because of the sheer amount of pollution necessary to mine, process and refine them which chinks don't give a fuck about because most mines are in ecologically sterile locations that were already dead before the plans for the mines were laid down.
Swedes for example have Erbium, Yttrium, Terbium and Ytterbium deposits but they can't mine them without nuking their environment (and the village where it's all found together)

>>64385124
Communism with Chinese characteristics anon.

>>64385134
I will not lie to you anon when I studied chemistry in high school our periodic tables didn't have any of these elements

>>64384466
total ping ping victory

>>64385158
Bullshit.
Some of them were in Mendeleyev's original table.

>>64385026
>Comparing internal police actions to foreign counter-insurgency
Ah yes I wonder why the former was easier than the latter.

>>64384485
kek pretty much

>>64384521
It's AI real estate, basically.

>>64384595
>now beg for those rare earths you timmy can't mine neither in your homeland nor abroad in one of your puppet states
The US already mines them, can get them from allies (Japan, Germany, Australia, etc), has a decade of strategic reserves built up, or, like usual, the CCP is all talk and no action and continues to import them to the US because their economy would implode if they actually stopped exporting.

>China's export controls on critical minerals aren't starving the United States—at least so far
https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/chinas-export-controls-critical-minerals-arent-starving-united-states

>However, current and future production capacities in Japan, Germany, and Australia undermine the power of this most recent Chinese economic swipe at the United States.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-chinas-gallium-sanctions

>Scientists develop rare earth free magnet for use in industrial motors
https://www.ameslab.gov/news/scientists-develop-rare-earth-free-magnet-for-use-in-industrial-motors
UH-OH, sub-human!

>>64384987
>It's refining, which will never happen without accepting some degree of pollution, lower living standards, and telling a bunch of wholesome chungus small businesses and farmers "go fuck yourself, we're using eminent domain to get the land for the refinery".
They already are, and have developed a non-toxic, cheap and scalable technique for refining, samefag sub-human. Just like the Ames process Chiner uses to refine and pollute the ever loving shit out of their farm lands, air, and drinking water. The US innovates, Chiner copies, and copies badly.
>A team of Ames Lab researchers at the Critical Materials Innovation Hub has developed a new, safer, scalable method for producing rare earth metals that utilizes the Ames Process. This new method, Rare Earth Metals from Alternative Fluoride Salt (REMAFS), uses an alternative fluoride salt in the production of rare earth metals, instead of the traditional rare earth salts that are made with harmful hydrofluoric acid (HF). Additionally, the method can be integrated earlier in the rare earth supply chain to reduce the number of steps required to convert mined materials to rare earth metals.
>“This process uses... sodium rare earth fluoride. The difference is that sodium rare earth fluoride can be prepared without hydrofluoric acid,” Nlebedim said. “It can be prepared at room temperature, and it is very easy to scale, so you can produce large quantities of it.”
https://www.ameslab.gov/news/researchers-develop-a-new-non-toxic-method-for-rare-earth-metal-processing
BIG OOF
>Critical Materials Innovation (CMI) Hub researchers at Ames National Laboratory developed a new technology for processing rare earth metals (Rare Earth Metals from Alternative Fluoride Salt (REMAFS)) that has now been licensed to Principal Mineral of Dallas, Texas.
https://www.ameslab.gov/news/cmi-technology-for-rare-earth-processing-licensed-to-principal-mineral
Already being used.

>>64385158
Erbium, Terbium and Ytterbium are on the lanthanide series which is often split from the rest of the table along with actinides.
You remember the main body of the table and forgot the two lines under it.

>>64385134
>Oh and BTW mining most of those elements is FORBIDDEN in the US
Proofs?

>>64385385
Chang cope. The good lord provides to the American homeland, huge deposits have been found over the past three years and chang cant come to terms with it.

If the chinese really wanted war why would they try a rugpull well before it and not at a more opportune time? Attributing stupidity, while fun, isn't constructive. I still can't think of a good reason, though.

>>64384447
Manufacturing in the US costs about 20% more than manufacturing in China. When you pay 300% more for a US product, what you're paying for is the privilege of owning a US-made product, and not the labor of making it.

>>64385423
>When you pay 300% more for a US product, what you're paying for is the privilege of owning a US-made product, and not the labor of making it.
I owned a Ford and it was no fucking privilege

>>64385432
Cars are a special case, for some reason the market is okay with letting everyone take 300% markups. Not sure why you bought a Ford when you could have gotten literally anything else for about the same price.

>>64385419
export restrictions aren't a rug pull
refusing to accept USD or Euro overnight is a rug pull

>>64385063
case in point, exports of these rare earths for sanitary applications is exempt of all restrictions

>>64384765
Yeah because China's transitioning away from that into a more service based economy, they don't want to be the world's factory forever

>>64384385 (OP)
This isn't to say the Chinese don't have to suffer of corruption, but corruption is a huge part of the price IMO. Price gorging, pointless money sinks, everyone getting a cut, etc. Take pic for example

https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/Article/628197/iowa-national-guard-soldiers-recognized-for-ironman-ammo-pack-system/
https://soldiersystems.net/2014/09/21/us-army-developed-ironman-ammo-pack-costs-more-than-commercial-version-it-emulates/

There was a commercially available version and the US Army insisted on doing their own version that sucked worse and was more expensive after years of development. Possible incompetence but it makes you wonder where did the years and money go when soldiers willingly ditch theirs for the commercially available version. The actual costs of making shit must be far lower once corrupt military nonsense magically goes away.

>>64384493
They had a middle class.
Then the CCP began swinging dick in geopolitics, which really didn’t help when Covid hit and their zero covid policy strangled world supply chains. International companies began slowly pulling out or spreading their manufacturing into other countries due to fears of china’s increasing political aggression and realizing all their manufacturing and supply were in China.

Their real estate market also imploded, which brought down a lot of the rest of their economy because local governments and investment banks were neck deep in property investment. The industries that supplied property development also lost a big chunk of their orders. CCP fears even more industry collapse so they pump subsidies to critical industries and these companies just overproduce to a slowing demand. Overcapacity then leads to intense price wars and low wages and small-medium business closures. Foreign companies pulling out, domestic companies locked into a price war spiral, falling property values fucking a lot of the middle class who bought in when the times were good, now holding a loan with a stressed job market locked into low wages. Not helped by millions of college grads each year, who are desperate for work, and companies more than willing to layoff all the middle aged employees to hire these desperate college grads for even less pay.

China’s economy is in a death spiral right now, it’s slow and doesn’t seem bad, but at the moment their saving grace is a few industries being heavily held up by their government and everything is cheap as fuck because everyone is paid very little.

>>64384447
>muh Murica manufacture
LBT with LBX line has all its shit made in Perú where they got one of the best cotton sewing in the world but they still tear your asshole with the prices anyways. Hell I even bought a fucking Lacoste T-shirt when I visited like a decade ago on the street for 4usd at that time, and it was pretty much a fucking 1:1 except of the logo not sticking out like the original, I even wear it today during summer. I would even fucking dare to say most shit "murica made" is outsourced anyways and comes with the label saying it was, this shit even applies for car parts for fucks sake.

>>64385124
True communists believe in the dialectical process of history and think that hundreds of millions dead and centuries wasted are just an acceptable and intended part of the process.

>>64384511
even here in fucking australia that's what (aussie) construction workers go through
source: my brother is a plumber

>>64385349
And costs 10x the usual methods which means nobody can and will use it at relevant levels.

>>64384466
Trijicon is a weird one since the vast majority of their products suck ass, all their good products are discontinued, and they sacrificed untold babies to make the ACOG as good as it is. TARS sucked, Credo is mediocre (even though it's made by LOW), VCOG sucks, SRO breaks, RMR was ahead of its time but is dated now, RCR has an awful mount solution, RMR HD is good but absurdly expensive, MRO is awful with the new model being the only decent one and still worse than the Aimpoint Duty and a lot of the higher end Holosuns and Nig chink dots.

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>>64386310
>And costs 10x the usual methods
Proofs?

>>64386301
>that's what (aussie) construction workers go through
he already said chinese

>>64384808
Chinese products are one thing. Chinese components in American products are another. All of a sudden, even American products will start costing more because the housing or the electronics will cost twice as much.

>>64386646
And China isn't the only place people can get those. This so-called crisis is likely going to lead to some economic reforms that have been a long time coming in the west. And I say the west and not just the U.S. because basically everyone is having some weird economic crisis of some kind, and people are getting tired of the sick-man of Asia's shit.

>>64384514
At this point, your impotent rage is nothing but entertaining. I know you want it to be read as a threat, but everyone here knows that you are obese, will never be able to run an 8:00-minute mile, and that your shooting skills come from watching Ben Stoeger's YouTube. You know you will never harm anyone because you have already submitted totally to paying taxes, getting vaxxed, and being reduced to goy cattle. You are spiritually, mentally, and physically broken to such a degree that no one would even send you to do their dirty work, yet you claim you would.

Probably the most pathetic post on /k/ right now.

>>64386679
Honestly, CCP and Xi played their hands a decade too soon, they fucked it up. Now they're bleeding foreign investment and a stagnating domestic economy, and before long, they're gonna need to do something extreme to shore in domestic support and distraction like invading Taiwan, which will ultimately decouple almost all western trade.

>>64384453
fuck off chinksect

>>64387346
Not sure if brown hands typed this. The Western economy without its financial sector would have already been obliterated twice over. All the gains are just Monopoly money aimed at keeping “investors” happy, while China produces actual goods. But to brown people this is probably 10 dimensional economics.

>>64385167
>>has never voted democrat
she accepts a government far more anti gun
>>love and care
lol
also
>appeal to race mixing

>>64387360
While I'm not going to pretend that the majestic 7 aren't overvalued right now, producers of goods depend completely on the financial sector at every step in their value chain, and pretending that a business that makes windshields is going to just continue if the stock market crashes only serves to show you don't understand anything about either finance or business

>>64387360
>while China produces actual goods
China has an overcapacity problem in a few of their big industries (Steel and EV being the most prominent). Made worse by their government pumping cash into these industries to just make more. And when you got a shit ton of supply, you'll try and flood it onto foreign markets, which then triggers massive tariffs because you're threatening those foreign nation's own domestic industries.
But yes, China still has a lot of leverage because the decades of being the world's manufacturing hub, they have mature and established infrastructure, supply chain, and production capabilities. Like rare earth materials, they pretty much have the rare earth refining on strangle hold for the rest for the world.

But outside of some very critical stuff, the bulk of their produced goods are not really that important in the grand scheme of things.

>>64386591
good one, paco el-arabi hernandez mcgoystein

>>64384781
>Already have. The reason the changs are spazzing out is because of tariffs, and they have accomplished more tariffs.
+ MASSIVE damage to US economy

China's industry collapses the moment western investors stop giving them money. Their economy is not like the US or Europe where it trades within itself multiple times over to the point that exports are a minor part of the economy. Africa can't finance China's endless growth. In terms of global power, China has softlocked itself out of any major influence and their hard investment into industry just makes them a threat to other nations that trade within their own borders. All China can do is throw tantrums and try to bully Western countries into cucking out to them because the moment they go to war with the West their dreams are over.

>>64386301
Unless you're counting illegal labor, Australia has laws that prevent employers from withholding pay for months. In China, construction workers live in dorms and some haven't been paid in years. We're talking company town levels of corporate dystopia.

>>64387674
People keep saying this, yet somehow everything keeps being the same or better than it was before the tariffs.

>please ignore 2 trillion usd vanishing the moment chink restrictions came into effect, everything is fine and nothing is burning in the kitchen
why are americans like this? here in spain all we had in the news today is discussion over procurement of chink rare earths

>>64387759
That's like half a year of debt accumulation that's nothing my guy.

>>64387759
Because short term market fluctuations are just that: fluctuations. Sometimes they represent the start of something significant, but more often they just represent investor panic or tantrums and the media reports on it because panic sells. Obviously the chinks messing with rare earths supply will affect markets, but what will really matter is how other countries respond. The zero day investor freakout means nothing. What will matter is what happens in the next 30-90 days or longer.

>>64384385 (OP)
Time to tariff them

>>64387783
Exactly, investors want the cheapest possible costs for maximum profits, but if China is going to be as reliable as the USSR in terms of business then they're not the most profitable option anymore. I don't know why China thinks this is going to work when the economy flows like water and there's plenty of nations that would love the money China is getting to produce things.

>>64387733
>western investors stop giving them money
How much did 'western' investors 'give' China money in 2025 so far?

>>64387879
Who is China selling precious metals to?

There's a reason why /k/ fucking sucks, it's the constant amerimutt thinking is the best at geopolitics. Jesus, there are retards here that think "Global Counter Terrorism" is actually sending Zogbots to buttfuck in ME to fight Abdul.
I really hope that a possible US civil war comes as kinsman kill each other. That would be pretty cool.
TOTAL AMERIMUTT DEATH
I DENOUNCE THE TALMUD

>>64384420
>cheap thin chinkshit feels less hot and stuffy than high end kit
Shocking

>>64387759
>why are americans like this?
They're Jewish and mostly trying to convince gun toting Americans that their militia movement doesn't need to refresh the tree of liberty, because stonks is still going up (the Jewish people also happens to own and run the stonks)

>>64384385 (OP)
>comparing chinese made textiles to beyond clothing and darn tough
lol
>thinking china isn't currently in a perilous situation due to the actions of their authoritarian government
double lol

>>64387969
>t.

>>64384385 (OP)
Active combatant here. China-produced gear is truly great and a steal, but it is not 'Chinese' gear per se. The design is almost always copied or modified from something Crye or another American company has made, and for that I believe Crye et al. deserve their money (just not mine).

Those guys revolutionized combat gear and it's obscene that it took US military like 10 years to understand the value of Crye's ideas.

I'm very happy that I can get on board with gear designed to their specifications at 1/3 the price with same functionality and same specs (though NIR is a meme, the gear I end up getting is still NIR). I hope American taxpayers understand that the Chinese sew this gear from US-produced fabrics, so the only people effectively out of the loop are the Berry Amendment workers.

It's been said many times that Chinese can do everything, they just don't know what to do, but they're very open to customizing stuff. For example, you can get Chink Crye AVS filled with Tegris instead of Curv, which cuts off like 25% of weight from the thing, and that's amazing.

Not a statement of US bad Chink Good, but a statement of - anyone can get a set of 'high end' gear from China with a little know-how and a keen eye, so if you're looking to outfit dudes on a budget, it is much better than surplus.

The best part of these threads is that the chinkshills just have meltdowns after a while because their boilerplate bullshit is ignored or easily refuted, like we're seeing now.

So, geopolitical dick-waving aside, what chinesium brands are actually worth buying?

>>64384466
Completely agree

>>64385063
what do the export controls do?

>>64388182
Pew Tactical, Sunsnow, ShekkinGears, DMGear, TwinFalcons, Tactical Raiders for nylon, bags, clothes.
Militech for ballistics.
EmersonGear for clothes and accessories, never nylon.

Otherwise you can just get on whatever is your choice of a chink site and simply browse, especially with pouches. You can tell quality cordura at a glance, then simply check if the photos have quality reinforced stitching and its good to go, especially for the price. Be careful with 6/12 instead of MOLLE, chinks aren't at FirstSpear level yet.

Redflags to avoid
>Oxford fabric
>Olive instead of Ranger Green as part of offering (bad fabrics)
>No reinforced stitching on nylon
>Mystery meat patterns
>Zippers with metal pullers
>'Rubber' layer on the inside
>Copies of Tegris items without Tegris.
>Bad brands: SINAIRSOFT, VULPO, IDOGEAR, WOSPORT

>>64388182
Some Crye Precision stuff is made on contract in China under Zshot brand, but I believe their American connection died so the factory began to slack a bit.

You can get a lot of older LARP style kit from Flyye, with quality mostly good. Same with TMC.

>>64388220
China won't be getting western AI outside of the commercially available slop. To put things in perspective, China had to use ChatGPT with Google translate to start messing with AI on their own end.

>>64388234
You've got DMGEAR recommended but IDOGEAR is bad? Kinda ass-backwards there chief.
>Militech
Still no NIJ certs and they're dodgy as to why they have none. They have a couple test reports and a multitude of (compensated) youtube dudes.
I understand why cheap plates are appealing but there's no big reason to go Militech over Hesco given the $150.00 flat shipping fee the former is charging.

>>64388263
>Still no NIJ certs
You're buying chink body armor from overseas trying to save a buck. The lack of certs is what saves you that buck. Don't believe for a second you're cheating anyone - Militech is just a company that will inform you if it has a cheat ring or not, and has chosen to present a brand to accrue reputation for 'quality' by letting some old tard shoot it on youtube.
>they're dodgy as to why they have none
See above. Alternatively, someone somewhere said they'll never certify a Chinese offering without a continental US office.

>IDOGEAR vs DMGear
Never had any luck with IDOGEAR, and DMGear mostly offers unique pieces. Sometimes just that specific kind of pouch nobody else makes is what you need. I really like their neck yoke for example. Plus their accessories like buckles are sewn OK.

>>64388296
>Militech is just a company that will inform you if it has a cheat ring or not
Excellent, that makes them... *checks notes* better than RMA. They're setting a high bar with that one.
>The lack of certs is what saves you that buck
Sorta-kinda. People exaggerate the cost of obtaining NIJ certification and frankly any armor company should be able to eat that cost - especially one the size of Militech, it's really cost of materials. They use Chinese PE for less or equal money to American fiberglass. Their Silicon Carbide, a better ceramic, is similarly priced to the Bitossi Italian Aluminum Oxide used by Hesco. The prototype boron carbide Level IV they had Buffman shoot years ago was $500 and 4.5lb (1" ring). The equivalent model from Hesco with no cheat ring (4800) is over $1,200.
>Alternatively, someone somewhere said they'll never certify a Chinese offering without a continental US office
That's correct. Longfri has an NIJ cert on a very meh Level III polyethylene plate because they have an office in the US. The only realistic reason, I can think of, why Militech and the rest don't go rent a 500 square foot "office" in a strip mall is because they don't want to be subject to US jurisdiction if their shit fails and they get sued.
>by letting some old tard shoot it on youtube
Brand-affiliated old farts with affiliate links, so they get paid when people buy the plates they're testing, mind you. Buff and the rest could very well be getting handpicked ringers subject to extra quality control or possible RMA-style reinforcement. NIJ is how you know the plates you're getting are the same as the ones youtubers are shooting. The peace of mind with a Hesco 4403 is worth the extra weight, since the plates are now roughly price equivalent given Militech's exorbitant fees.
>Never had any luck with IDOGEAR
I have a couple of their pouches. Their quality is good but their IR compliance is wishy-washy.
>DMGear mostly offers unique pieces
That they do!

>>64388347
It's not as funny when you can't tell what the fuck you're looking at. Just another display of the chinks being able to sew anything with quality out of good materials, they just don't know what's needed and what will sell.

On the bright side, these are all west-facing companies since airsoft is banned in China, so usually you can either request them to do something sensible, or straight up contract them for a batch.

>>64388390
>It's not as funny when you can't tell what the fuck you're looking at
Damn man calibrate your monitor so you can appreciate the dmgear multicam black waifu.
>they just don't know what's needed and what will sell
When you got time, people, money, and a big factory, throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.
>these are all west-facing companies since airsoft is banned in China
Of course, that's the main market for all the digital night vision they're doing these days. Rumor has it the Nvg3rd has a small cult following in certain airsoft circles.
>or straight up contract them for a batch
We need larger dmgear booba carrier for barbara with big tiddies and stephanie who succs like a vacuum.

>>64388234
Why is IDOGEAR bad? I think it’s pretty decent. Some Ukrainian troops wear them too.

>>64389869
NTA, I think he just had bad luck with some of their stuff. I'm working on a budget magfed shotgun rig using a surp FLC and 4x IDOGEAR GP pouches. I'll report back in /gq/ how it handles. If the IDOGEAR pouches shit the bed carrying 2lb a pop magazines, I will advise accordingly.

>>64384385 (OP)
I love chinkshit, they're my only source of obscure African camo patterns and cheap, fungible camping gear I can treat like absolute dogshit. The fun thing about it is you can beat the ever living piss out of cheap gear and if it breaks quickly you're not surprised or disappointed but if it endures it feels downright orgasmic. It's not like high end gear where you expect it to last for a long time and kinda forces you in a mindset to constantly monitor and baby it instead of treating it like something that's meant to get torn up, lifetime be damned

>>64389916
Based alibabamaxxer

China won't be stealing anything for much longer.

>>64387738
most tradesmen here are contractors, they work for themselves
what's really common is that they'll complete a job for a customer and then that customer will delay paying them for as long as possible which causes the tradesman to chase them up and phone them over and over for weeks or even months at a time until they cough up the cash
i'm not sure why the customers do it but if i had to guess, it's probably because they're surprised about the size of the bill so it's like a shock to them

>>64387407
thanks zhangbong gashuff

>>64384453
China is a National Socialist country. Their priority is the material well-being of China. Bad governments' priority is being a slave to usury & the destruction of the white race which is what Bolshevism stood for.

Shanghai tricases makes this field desk and sells it for six hundred bucks on ali, but a genuine pelican hardigg field desk like this costs a little over two grand. I have always wanted one of these desks for camping and because I really like modular furniture, living in a small space, but never enough to justify the cost. I bet the chinesium one is every bit as sturdy, probably used by the chinese military and that's why they got the cost so low. I feel like pelican is expensive because of labor, overhead, brand, and military industrial complex nonsense inflating expenses.

>>64390503
>Their priority is the material well-being of China
kek

>>64390478
>gashuff
those holocaust classes are really drilled into your guys minds, eh

>>64390667
That shit is designed for glampers, its an overdesigned toy for C suites that never walked into a hardware store in their lives.

>>64384466
This. I even like the 509t over the ACRO P2 and COA.

>>64391658
That's not hard considering the ACRO P2 is really overrated and not great. I had two, really disliked them, went back to using RMRs and Holosuns, use the P2s on a range toy PCC and piggyback on my AR10 now.

>>64390667
I hate it. Would be better if the drawers were a cooler, one of the sides was a stove, and the other side a storage space for cookware and a preparation area. That'd be the perfect field kitchen setup

>>64390187
Proof?

>>64387346
The chinks could have strung the xenophilia libtard elites(exp Clintons) and the jews, whose primary motivation is prevent any white autarky which might kick them out, for decades more. They could have accumulated more and more power and embedded themselves too deeply to excise. They could have played along with globalist request while never actually implementing them and accumulating more wealth and prestige. But Xi went full Mao 2.0 and fucked all that up because he was more concerned with internal politics rather than manuevering Chinkland internationally. And they even aliened all the SEA Monkeys with bad loan practices and electrocuting all the fish in their EEZ.

>>64385070
>uses glowies rather than glowniggers
Die in a fire newfag/chinkfag.

>>64384447
>where the average rent is 3k
Indeed, if you buy made in USA you get the priviledge of giving all your money ro Jewish landlords.

>>64384674
>amerimutts
>healthy ans stronng people
Completely detached from reality.

>>64384385 (OP)
Most "high end" gear either gets military contracts, or has a lot of military business outside of official "we'll give you this much money for these many things" contracts.
Miktiary contracts nickel and dime at every step, so they charge an inflated price to keep their profits up and have to "sell" it to normies at said price or else the military would want to negotiate for lower costs.
Non contract companies charge that same inflated cost because "we'll crye did it, why can't we?" and it "legitimatizes" their product as "premium".
The bugs do the same thing, kind of. But they'd rather get a billion small sales than a couple massive orders.

>>64384466
The days of neo-fuddism are almost over. Zoomers are buying turkshit and slapping holosun optics on them. They don't give a fuck about military contracts, brand loyalty or patriotism.

>>64384874
>Or are you going to try to tell me Bongchou in Myanmar is spending $80 for a $7 flashlight?

The US merchant takes the 73 dollar difference, not the chink manufacturer.

>>64390667
pelican is expensive because of QC

>>64395319
>US olympic teams excel in generally athletic events
>China minmaxes diving and ping pong to stack up medals
If China was a healthy nation they'd produce more actual athletes.

>>64385668
>Yeah because China's transitioning away from that into a more service based economy, they don't want to be the world's factory forever

Do you still believe that bullshit? The idea that a service economy based on finance, insurance and real estate is the next step after manufacturing is just made up bullshit to make the plunder of main street America by wall street America appear to be a natural event.

>>64387733
>China's industry collapses the moment western investors stop giving them money.

China has a positive trade balance, they do not need any foreign investor money. They are so flush with dollars that they lend them to thirdies with the caveat that they are to be repaid in yuan, meaning that the thirdies can pay off their predatory imf loans and then reorient their economies towards trade with china to get yuan. Ofc uncle scam does not like this.

>>64391391
Why does the military use them then?

>>64395690
>>US olympic teams excel in generally athletic events
impressive, very nice
now exclude the black athletes

>>64395870
You're gonna be fighting Tyrone on the battlefield little prince. Ping pong won't help you.

>>64395699
You seemed to stop reading
>Africa can't fund China's endless growth
Plus China loses to Europe in North African trade.

>all this commie china deepthroating
Damn, it sure smells like /leftypol/ in here. Can we just rangeban Canada already?

>>64384647
We just discovered a huge rare earths seam in old coal mines in south PA/WV/VA areas. So independence is 3-4 years of development away. The only barrier? It's cheaper to pollute in china and kill chinese slaves.
Chang superiority right there. Superior as mulch.

>>64384827
Oh yeah Chang, starvation is better.

>>64395873
Ok, basketball is just out then. What else do nogs even dominate? Not running anymore lol. Break Dance?

>>64395369
Not really. The difference in price between contract and non contract is basically on par. Or even more expensive in some cases. Don’t believe in the meme about contracts being cheap or discounted, that’s bullshit.
>t.accountant

>>64384453
But china has massive and widespread poverty though, worse even than the west.

>>64384808
Uh huh. My blockade says "LOL!".

>want a c-more, but with more zoomer friendly battery and internal maintenance interfacing. Maybe use a CR2032 instead
>Chinese knockoffs have failed to provide
Open site picture… bussin…

>>64384385 (OP)
Chink here, be careful. The thing about Chinese quality is it's variable. You can get god tier stuff for cheap but it can just as easily get trash. Scrutinize the individual products, including different copies of the same product, heavily.

why wouldn't i want my fellow citizens have jobs

>>64384385 (OP)
Calling out the chinks really made them spaz out in this thread.
Oh well. “China to die”, right?

>>64397533
Proof?

>>64384470
>I aint working no 996 sweatshop job in a surveillance state shithole
Chinese workers have more days off then Americans.

>>64402045
source being the Xi's Weibo account?

>>64397478
This is true, if you find a Chinese company with quality manufacturing machines made in Germany and professional staff.

>>64395921
shit talking america =/= being a china enjoyer