Thread 64395217

Thoughts?
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/10/oshkosh-ground-based-tomahawk-launcher-breaks-cover/

>>64395217 (OP)
Are these getting live-fire tests in Ukraine?

>>64395217 (OP)
dont like the wheel meta we should have mech walker legs by now.

Most likely.
Because Ukraine has no other launch capabilities for Tomahawks.

>>64395256
They could probably just give them a couple of Mk41 cells sitting on the back of trailers like they tested a few years ago

I prefer this platform.

>>64395224
Depends if monke manages to bullshit his way in front of Witkoff again next week.

>>64395281
At this point I think they've already accepted he's bullshitting them. Trump is smarter than people give him credit for, I think he knew Putin was bullshitting him but had to prove it to his base first before they'd go along with him. If you asked your average facebook MAGA boomer 3 months ago what they thought about Ukraine they'd say something about Zelensky and cocaine addiction, now they'll talk about how Trump just wants peace and Putin tricked him! He genuinely does seem to want the war to end, all things considered.

Send some of those to ukies, let them test it out on live targets

>>64395217 (OP)
What happened to the tomahawk-mounted humvee?

>>64395300
I don't know, if I can believe that Trump and Vance know they were being played and just want peace (not even talking about the likes of Rubio who have hide their power level), Witkoff is a proper cum guzzler and could throw spokes in the whole process again.

What's old is new again. Back in the '80s the threat of nuke-loaded ground-launched Tomahawks scared the Soviets enough where they were all on-board for another nuclear-arms limitation treaty.
Yeah I know these are conventional but it's still enough to pose a problem for Russia when they can't protect facilities from cheap shitty drones.

>>64395217 (OP)
Another anon pointed out in the ill-timed vatnoid spam thread that the concept isn't entirely new (VLS on a HEMMT), and yet despite that and the reams of material on the *extreme* feasibility of low-cost mobile ground-launchers for Tomahawks, vatnoids and their thirdie simps betray their utterly shit powerlevel once again.
The amount of
>how would ukropignazihoholkrops even LAUNCH Tomahawk?
>is of only SEA-BASED shootings, yes?!
>Surely at no point in the decades of Americans having Tomahawk would they have explored anything but water for shooting
has been incredible to behold.
Beyond the current-thing thing, more mobile-launch strategic options have been a focus for a while, as I understand, with the Burger focus on the Pacific threat, so in this seems like a perfectly solid option to accompany those little unmanned fuckers for the Marines.
>>64395300
Digits of non-emotive, sober assessment.

>>64395300
I think the russians have got a completely fucked up read on Trump and have drank their own koolaid on the "russia owns trump" cope. They could have used his desire to be seen as the peacemaker in Ukraine but their own idiotic desire to be seen dabbing on the US with vranyo bs keeps fucking them.

>>64395224
I think they'll probably get the single missile ones that were going to be used by the USMC on an unmanned JLTV until the project was cancelled. But probably moving them to another (manned) platform

>>64395217 (OP)
super himars saar

Tomahawk launchers are nothing special right? Tech wise. Bunch of hydraulic boxes and bolts. They can build a lot of them in a short term I guess

Also they must be making these things abroad right? In Poland for example.

Wow!
Ziggers hit MANPAD?
I am completely demoralized.

>>64395628
It's more a problem of transferring the data for the terrain following system into the missile

>>64395217 (OP)
Oshkosh my beloved….

>>64395507
>but their own idiotic desire to be seen dabbing on the US with vranyo bs keeps fucking them.
I think this is the most fascinating dynamic, honestly. I agree with the other anon that Trump is smarter than people like to grant and has had to put on a (rather costly) show to get his base on track.
But the Russian pathological obsession with always looking like the most cleverest, cunningest chess player in the room will be their doom.

It literally has twice before in less than 100 years.

>>64396295
>It literally has twice before in less than 100 years.
Uhh... 1991 and uhh... I got nothing.

>>64396306
I don't know if he was referring to the Russian Revolution, which was over 100 years ago, or Molotov-Ribbentrop, which I think fits the bill nicely.
>invade half of Europe while buddying up to Hitler to pwn le evil capitalist imperialist w*ctoid democracies
>Hitler does the funny and ends up killing almost as many Russians as Stalin

>>64395300
>Trump is smarter than people give him credit for,
The man can't even string coherent sentences together half the time anymore.

>>64396454
Man, I cant imagine what it must be like to be you.

>>64396896
>Man, I cant imagine what it must be like to be you.

would that be because you have no imagination or critical thinking skills?
Go read transcripts, or if you cant read, listen to live actual recordings of trump speaking. not the edited ones on fox. the actual recordings.

half of them are tossed word salads. This is not some "leftists cope" or whatever bullshit you're already thinking of replying with, this is fact. His speech its borderline incoherent, rambling, jumping from subject to subject as his mind wanders, going off on tangents about personal grievances half the time. It is not in any way, how normal, healthy people talk.

>>64395507
It's funny how it pushed him into going further than the Biden administration ever would've, they were shitting their pants at the idea of strikes inside Russia even just a few miles beyond the recognized border. Now the US is giving Ukraine real time updates on air defense positions so they can cripple the oil and gas industry even more effectively.

>>64395300
Trump like winners and strongmen. Back in Alaska Putin told him he'd take all of Donbas by the end of September. He failed and Trump lost respect for him.

>>64396202
Buncha retards.

From where are those bald midgets?

>>64395300
Anon, Trump still states that the Russian invasion is Ukraine's fault. He's a fucking retarded and stumbles into success because he's lucky and forced himself through countless failures, not because he's smart

>>64395300
>He genuinely does seem to want the war to end, all things considered.
Yes
>Trump is smarter than people give him credit for, I think he knew Putin was bullshitting him but had to prove it to his base first before they'd go along with him.
Possibly but I'd still doubt it. For better or worse, Trump is the kind of guy to not believe something until he sees it himself, which sort of makes sense since he's been out of the White House for 4 years and hasn't had his finger on the global situation in that time between. Unfortunately in this case, it means that though we got a positive outcome, it took months of wasted time and thousands of lives lost to get there.

>>64395262
I prefer this solution

>>64396306
1991, and I was meaning Barbarossa but
>>64396431
>Molotov-Ribbentrop
is a better way of putting it, all around actually, since it was the overall retardation of kicking off WWII in Europe with the people who made no secret of meaning you the *definition* of existential harm.
Then somehow being more or less surprised by what came next.

>>64395467
>Another anon pointed out in the ill-timed vatnoid spam thread that the concept isn't entirely new (VLS on a HEMMT)
Me

>>64395300
>Trump is smarter than people give him credit for
Unpopular fact: he's definitely smarter than TDS-infested Democreeps and Ukes claim(1), but a lot dumber than MAGAtards claim(2)

1) anytime Kamala & Co. go off-script they can hardly speak a coherent sentence. Trump speaks off the cuff all the time
That said,
2) not backing Ukraine to the hilt with at least 200 billion worth of unequivocal support is a huge fucking mistake. A child could tell that the Ukes had Russia on the ropes, AND that Trump had no diplomatic cards to play at all whereas Putin had everything. Trump not realising this latter point proves he doesn't know jack about politics

> had to prove it to his base first before they'd go along with him
Maybe

>>64400619
Congrats on having the same opinion as most people that voted for him. He being the lesser of two evils is a cold take for moderates.

>>64400626
I thnlink
>most people that voted for him
thought he was some kind of Xanatosian genius playing 5d chess
Might be wrong

>>64400642
Touch grass partisan sperg, most people saw Kamala getting shoehorned in and said fuck no.

>>64400619
>not backing Ukraine to the hilt with at least 200 billion worth of unequivocal support is a huge fucking mistake. A child could tell that the Ukes had Russia on the ropes
That would end the war, though. Why is ending the war beneficial to America?

>>64400653
>Why is ending the war beneficial to America?
NTA, but I would like to vacation in Lviv.

>>64400619
>Trump speaks off the cuff all the time
And consistently says incoherent and retarded shit.

>>64400653
Good luck pivoting to China without securing NATO's eastern flank.

>>64400708
How else are we gonna rope the perfidious Euros in NATO to help us in China? The war in Ukraine ends with Europe helping the US blockade China.

>>64400708
Who does it need to be secured against? Russia can't even conquer Ukraine, and they started with a full set of Soviet gear they've now lost. They're a weak, poor, corrupt thirdie shithole with no industry. Stop pretending they're on par with China.

>>64400708
>And consistently says incoherent and retarded shit
being able to ad-lib a single coherent sentence makes him capable of ad-libbing one (1) sentence more than Kamala et al can
and he has

>>64400809
What these party brained fools don't understand is that the party that makes more errors loses. There was only one democratically chosen candidate the last election and its crazy that Trump didn't get more than he did on that fact alone.

next time don't let George Clooney anoint your candidate. kamala was and is terrible all around

>>64400815
I don't quite understand what you're trying to say
leaving party politics, policy, and prepared speeches aside, all I'm talking about is their personal speech skills

>>64395217 (OP)
>In short, the Tomahawk is not a weapon that can be easily transferred, like the HIMARS or Storm Shadow. It is a system-of-systems that exists only within the U.S. Navy’s strike ecosystem. Ukraine lacks the platforms, networks, mission planning tools, data access, cryptographic systems, training, and logistics to operate independently. Even if provided the missiles, their operation would remain entirely U.S.-controlled, with Ukraine serving at most as a geographic proxy. This is not a matter of willpower but of design: the Tomahawk is inseparable from the institutional and technical infrastructure of U.S. naval combat power.
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/tomahawk-for-ukraine-never-ending

>>64400845
>MIHAJLO MIHAJLOVIĆ
lol
lmao

>>64400845
>Tomahawk is inseparable from the Navy
>We'll just ignore that the Army had them 40 years ago, and the Army and Marines are both about to have them again

>>64400845
>Ukraine lacks the platforms, networks, mission planning tools, data access, cryptographic systems, training, and logistics to operate independently.
okay, hand it over then

>>64399494
The Bushmaster is one of the best-looking IMVs built thus-far.

>>64400845
>substack
Man I should post whatshisface substack where he says the USA will lose any war it faces against Russia or China because USA is not built for war and shit. It was funny stuff.

Either way, the handing of the missiles was never going to happen because;
1. Trump is doing it to try and get Russia to accept what is essentially everything and more that Russia wants deal (Russia still wants even MORE than that)
2. Trump doesn't give a shit about Ukraine or removing a geopolitical opponent; he just wants to pretend he does.
3. Even if he did (he won't) then it won't be enough or independent enough for Ukraine to make use of it

Which ultimately means Ukraine is better off pretending they're completely on their own because nobody is going to give them what they need to end this war in their favour.

>>64400686
What's stopping you? It's not a war zone.

>>64400708
NATO's flank would be better secured by a complete collapse of the Russian government than by Putin's pinky promise to sit around and not do anything ever again.

>>64400653
>Why is ending the war beneficial to America?
Because it means he can get the $500bn he demanded in war reparations from Ukraine quicker and safer. The fact Putin spat in his face despite Trump offering everything and more to him is on Trump, really. He's clearly got retard advisors who won't tell him that Putin will only respect strength and if you want Putin to agree to the extremely one-sided peace deal, then you're gonna have to start hitting him hard enough that he realizes he cannot actually take it much further and he's better off settling.

>>64400845
There is a solution for the launch platform which can be tossed together and delivered in a few weeks.
Dare I say, two?
>b-b-but the training and mission planning and—
The Ukrainians are already operating a suite for their indigenous GLCM solution. They can figure it out and integrate a foreign one faster than you might suppose.

This is shades of "It would take like a decade to train them on F-16s, we can't possibly send them!" retardation from 2023. As those training and supporting services timelines were being entirely informed by our attempts to train sand-people for the last 20 years.

It just isn't the same.

>>64400892
>What's stopping you? It's not a war zone.
I'm a coward. Even the slightest chance that I might be in Lviv when a drone attack hits the city is too much for me.

>>64400890
>3. Even if he did (he won't) then it won't be enough or independent enough for Ukraine to make use of it

The point isn't just the Tomahawks, which are nice, but also to signal to the enteral cuckolds (Germans) that they can/need to send their Taurus stockpile already.
\Which would matter quite a bit.

>>64395253
>No exo-skeleton
>No Jetpowerd dropships
>No supersonic gunship
>No hover vehicles
>No subterranean transports
>No laser tanks
>No Microwave vehicles
>No vehicle based railguns
>No jetpack infantry
This is what we get for living in a society with rampant fraud and corruption and endless stealth jet wanking.

>>64400905
Spending 200B to get 500B faster isn't that great of a value, especially when Ukraine won't be capable of paying back the 500B either way.

>>64400936
Do you never leave your mom's basement for fear of getting terrorismed?

what's the practical difference between these:

>>64395217 (OP)
>>64395256
>>64395262

and this:

>>64400926

?

the first couple ones seem smaller & more mobile than the Typhon container solution. Does the Typhon offer any benefits that justify the larger footprint?

>>64401125
>Do you never leave your mom's basement for fear of getting terrorismed?
Ouch.

>>64395300
>He's not retarded, it's 5D chess
'k

>>64395224
Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?

>>64395336
Got canceled because Marines aren’t allowed to have nice things

>>64401134
Typhon is 4 strike length Mk41 VLS cells with the option of taking either Tomahawks or SM-6. The others are dedicated tomahawk chuckers.

>>64395217 (OP)
Welcome back, GLCM.

Anyways, it's meh tier since the missiles aren't containerized like MLRS and Patriot. This truck is going to need a specialized reloading vehicle.

>>64400926
>>64400845

how does pakistan do it tho

> confessed that Pakistani scientists had in fact simply reverse-engineered the Tomahawk missile to make the Babur missile, when one fell as an unexploded ordnance in Pakistan's territory during the cruise missile attacks of Operation Infinite Reach in Afghanistan

>>64403798
>Concept art for shit vidya gam
What did he mean by this?

>>64400965
>no kino dog fights between 4th gen and 5th gen fighters
>no absolute chaos like MW2 made me believe as a kid
>nothing like battlefield games
>it's fucking slavshits on both sides getting maimed by chink drones while they try to hide in the brush
>funded by globalist democrats

>>64400949
>Which would matter quite a bit.
There are no more than a few hundred of those, and most of them have not been refurbished in more than a decade because Mommy Merkel said we don't need them anymore.
I think the reason the Germans do not send them is because most of them are non-functional.

They would not meaningfully influence the battlefield, though I agree they might have some symbolic value.

>>64403798
>>64408950
Seething ziggers lol

>>64407954
>it's fucking slavshits on both sides
You can join them and shot how it's made

>>64395300
> Trump is smarter than people give him credit for
Trump confirmed just a few minutes ago he’s not sending tomahawks since he’s sure to end the war by the time they’d necessary. He’s back to being 100% convinced a personal talk with Putin is enough to end the war.
It’s ogre. He got played again.

>>64408950
Cool it with the TACO remarks

>>64406660
>the missiles aren't containerized
Which is fucking weird because VLS missiles are all containerized and set up for crane handling as a cartridge. Kind of odd that they're going with a closed box. Idk why they wouldn't just modify a VLS canister to stack together like Patriot canisters.

>>64400949
Taurus is just a shittier storm shadow. Also considering that unlike France and the UK the German Air Force hasn’t been involved in combat sorties since Yugoslavia you can bet most Taurus don’t even work.

>>64409535
The same retards claiming Trump isn't a fumbling retard will disappear until someone convinces Trump to support Ukraine again, in what case they'll all get out of the woodwork to tell us that Trump knew what he was doing all along. Trump still hasn't done anything relevant for Ukraine until now. Only big words he's walked back on every time.

>>64409818
Good god you people do.the same thing fuck off to /pol/

>>64400596
There's not a single thing in this world I find funnier than the fact that Joseph Stalin, world's most paranoid man, decided that the world's least trustworthy man aka Adolf Hitler was the one person he would put unconditional faith in.

>>64400619
>>64400626
>Not understanding realpolitik

Anons, the US wants both Russia and Ukraine broken at the end of this war. They don't want Ukraine negotiating from a position of strength where they start making demands, but from a position of weakness where they have no choice but to give the West everything it wants to pay off their war tab and then beg for reconstruction to repair damaged infrastructure and dwindling demographics. This is by design.

The US is looking for a pliant ally that knows its in no position to resist Western hegemony, not another butthurt slavic nation high on its own farts thinking they defeated Le Russia. We want to be in a position where Ukraine is past the point of no return, in up to the cuff with us on war debts and with their economy five years from collapse if they don't sign up for the generous rebuilding plan. Which makes perfect sense as long as you're not European. Russia is not an existential threat to the US, we can afford to let them trash Ukraine if it means coming out on top ourselves as long as Russia is never in a position to win and just keeps self-exterminating. Europe sees Russia as an existential threat because they share a continent with them, but that is not our problem. The post-war order is our main skin in the game, we want to be in a position to balkanize Russia and demand all the resources and lands we want from them and we can't do that if Ukraine is standing in the way bitching about how they did most of the fighting and therefore should absorb most of Russia after it collapses. This is an American world, not a Ukrainian one.

>>64400782
China is also a weak, poor, corrupt thirdie shithole with no relevant industry. Unless you count plastic consumer goods and self-melting engines as war materiel, and self-exterminating subhuman bugmen as soldiers. They're not.