Thread 64397078

Why was the US invasion of Grenada so effortlessly successful?

>>64397078 (OP)
Because it was the world's most powerful and advanced military against a tiny joke of an island. You might as well ask why my invasion of a spider web was so effortlessly successful.

>>64397091
this. the fuck was Grenada supposed to do? have a vietnam like scenario?

>>64397096
What I'm curious about is whether we instigated the conflict that became the pretext for the invasion.

>>64397104
obviously yes, next question

>>64397078 (OP)
It was actually a huge clusterfuck saved only by the small scale of the invasion and the fact that the Cubans/Grenadines were even more retarded than we were. Highlights include:

>Navy SEALs drowning in the ocean on insertion because they forgot to check the tide charts
>a platoon of Navy SEALs getting routed and almost destroyed by one single BTR-60 because they forgot to pack a LAW
>US troops forced to use tourist maps and asking locals for directions because there is no intelligence on the island
>a platoon of Rangers had to use a civilian landline phone to call their barracks CQ in the US to call for fires because the radio frequencies were changed without their knowledge
>first hostage rescue attempt fails when an entire flight of Blackhawks crashes into each other on landing approach
>more bronze stars and combat patches are awarded by the Army than troops that were allocated for the invasion

>>64397078 (OP)
Tactical advantage of blowing up a mental hospital?

>>64397267
Makes turdie schizos like yourself cope and seethe about the inevitability of their death in obscurity

>>64397258
>It was actually a huge clusterfuck saved only by the small scale of the invasion and the fact that the Cubans/Grenadines were even more retarded than we were.
This. It actually contributed to the whole inter-service reforms called Goldwater-Nichols to get the branches to cooperate with each other because of those fuckups. The U.S. was lucky to have experienced that in Grenada rather than in the Persian Gulf a decade later.

>>64397267
did NAFO melt thirdie brains or something why is it still brought up after literal years

>>64397078 (OP)
Is itnreally compares to panama?

>>64397335
Kinda, they doxxed a bunch of the chuggers and found they were either
1. Trannies
2. Brown
3. Paid shills
4. Some combination of the above
And they really never mentally recovered from it.

>>64397335
NAFO is the face of ukraine, they're the ones dying for ukraine. Nu/k/ needs to step up its game

>>64397335
As you can see in >>64397357 brownoid screeching, it affected their shill campaigns enough that they faked this absolutely stupid "kill" over it. It's funny just how bad a bunch of memes rekt actual paid shills.

>>64397364
Whatever makes you feel better about losing your reddit buddies

>>64397377
>followed shortly by the part where they all get up
You zigzogs tried this shit in 22 too lmao

>>64397387
Remember when nu/k/ disowned this fat mutt? Kek

>>64397414
>nu/k/
Go back to pol, tourist. No one ever liked your russia shilling.

>>64397091
>>64397096

Grenada actually had a quite bit of firepower at its disposal since it was a transit point for Soviet arms going to Latin America

>12 APCs (mainly BTR-60s and BRDM-2s)
>12 anti-aircraft guns (ZPU-4s and ZU-23-2s)
>291 submachine guns
>6,330 rifles (mainly AKMs)
>5.6 million rounds of ammunition

They could have easily mounted a protracted resistance in the jungles with that arsenal for at least a few months if they had felt inclined to do so.

>>64397258
the fact we fucked up that much on a island thats like 100 square miles was a real wakeup call. another highlight:
>Navy A-7's dropping bombs on an asylum, killing 18

>>64397496
See >>64397282

>>64397430
That's not really much at all. There are more guns in fucking Stoke-On-Trent than that.

>>64397430
The entire country is smaller than Montreal with like a tenth as many people. There was no protracted resistance possible.

Why did the USA even invade? Sheer boredom? Grenada does not look like it matters for anything, political economic or strategical.

>>64398181
>>64397430
Soviet arms transit point

>>64398181
You know wikipedia exists? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada#Background

>>64398181
Here's my understanding based on five minutes of reading.
>Grenada has a socialist revolution in the late 70s
>they're all black and speak English and could have a huge influence on black Americans
>leader is overthrown by military
>America invades to "stabilize the country"
>they become a regular LatAm shithole whose government sells out the people at the behest of our government and its owners

>>64397078 (OP)
highly trained and motivated USMC recon

>>64398206
Wikipedia just gives the mainstream cope, anons on here sometimes have more valuable insights.

>>64398236
Once you're familiar enough with the American foreign policy playbook, you can read the bullshit cover story and understand what really went down.

>>64397499
lmfao didn't know the earlier meltie had brought it up, was a complete intel and TID failure that got the navy to reassess it's recon protocols

>>64398313
>meltie
absolute worst zoomer slang

>>64397430
...reasonably sure the LAPD outguns that.

>>64397387

What was he carrying? Why did the other guy try to approach him?

>>64397430
idgaf, kys

>>64397078 (OP)
>limited objective
>massive, overwhelming force
>surprise

Also, it was, like any invasion, a close-run thing. Going from memory, the attempt to rescue a bunch of political prisoners carried out by special forces was particularly harrowing, due to heavy AAA presence on the helicopters' flight path. The speed and surprise the US achieved came at the cost of the entire invasion being a rush job. Divine intervention probably kept it from turning into a grand scale Desert-One style clusterfuck.

>>64398210
The Prince of Punk, the Earl of Funk, the Ayatollah of Rock-and-Rolla.

>>64397430
pretty sure dragon man has more guns and armor than that.

>>64397430
When you say they have quite a bit of firepower and then the first two numbers you throw out are 12 you might want to reconsider your argument.

>>64397430
a protracted resistance with a division amount of guns on a 100 square mile bridge you absolute fucking retard

>>64398210
God, Cold War Woodland uniforms were peak.

>>64397258
I think there was also a situation where SEALs crossed an open air field and where hit with machine gun fire. Might have been Panama, not sure.

>>64398210
Literally my uncle's platoon.

>>64398210
me on the bottom right

>>64398181
I think the main thing was Reagan's adoption of a rollback strategy towards Soviet influence + wanting the U.S. appear like it was strong after Vietnam and countering the impression that the U.S. was in decline. The Republicans (especially) don't like far-left governments in the Western Hemisphere, and there was a political crisis between the Grenadian communists which provided an opportunity to invade and depose them. Relatively low-risk / low-cost op aimed at this small Marxist regime in the Caribbean.

It's like Trump bombing Iran and striking these boats off the coast of Venezuela. It's similar I think.

>>64398208
The communist leadership there had also been educated in British universities and were left-wing activists as students. It's like those Columbia University students who were protesting Israel, if some of them were thirdie exchange students who went back home and then seized power, and then some of the military guys (also Soviet-aligned) killed them during a bloody internal purge. The leader was Maurice Bishop who was killed by his own guys. It's wild.

>>64397104
We definitely instigated the conflict on the basis of needing to regain some level of national prestige after the humiliation of Vietnam. Sure Americans were in danger, but a whole ass invasion? It was a grossly disproportionate response.

>>64397349
By Panama, we had collectively figured out shit out. It was a dry-run for the Gulf. Like other anons posted, Goldwater-Nichols reforms completely redefined the way the US does Joint operations

>>64397258
>>64397300
>>64397496
Is it possible for a very hyper realistic joint training exercise to reveal all the problems before Panama happened or does it have to happen in a live combat enviorment so the results are not ignored by all the generals?

>>64398137
how many Israels is that

>>64399582
This.
Also, remember Reagan got elected a few years earlier partly because Carter COMPLETLY screwed up the Iran Hostage Crisis, and leaving many Americans feeling angry and humiliated.

One of the main "sales pitches" for teh ncessity of invasion was the possible threat to several hundred American college students that had been going to a cheap-o medical school on Grenada, and the possibility that they too would be taken hostage.

In reality, they hadn't been allowed to leave, but the Grenadians really hadn't bothered them much, and they were recovered unharmed. They WERE quite happy to be rescued, though, since it COULD have gone bad, and seeing smiling American students liberated by heavily-armed US troops went a long way toward justifying the invasion for many Americans, outside the geopolitical/anti-communist thing.

That aspect was also woven into the Heartbreak Ridge movie.

>>64398210
>Hey, can my buddy Tyrone come to the invasion?
>Sure! What weapon is he bringing?
>His thumb.

>>64399880
>Carter COMPLETLY screwed up the Iran Hostage Crisis
He was the guy in charge so he got the blame. But the failed rescues attempt was an US military fuck up, and then Reagan bribed the iranians to keep the hostages until after the election.

>>64399888
That's an ASSAULT thumb

>>64399616
Though Panama had its fair number of hiccups, too, like any complex military operation (airborne tanks getting stuck in the mud, Rangers having to de-rig, then RE-rig in the planes because whether they were jumping or landing got changed several times on the flight down, SEALs getting in a messy firefight at Noriega's private plane, etc)

Both Grenada and Panama are lessons that military ops rarely fail because TOO MUCH force is used. You can carefully crack a walnut to get the nut out, or you can smash it with a hammer. Cracking is more elegant, but using the hammer ALWAYS works.

>>64399889
How did Reagan bribe the Iranians?

>>64399888
>hasn't seen Heartbreak Ridge

>>64399889
Carter was Commander in Chief. "The buck stops here", as another president kept a reminder on his desk.

He takes advice from his advisors, men he chose to advise him, but ultimately he has to decide whether the risk is worth it. If Grenada had been a disaster, Reagan would have had to own that. EAGLE CLAW was tried only after EVERY other non-military option was attempted.

I don't hate Carter; he was pretty clear that his #1 priority was to get the hostages back alive. But in doing so, he humiliated the country with images like above for night after night for a year, and it opened other Americans abroad to being taken hostage, because the terrorists saw it was easy to do, with no consequences.

Forgot pic

>>64399896
NTA but TAYART was right and you skipped the key part:
Reagan's lackeys literally made a crooked deal with the antichrist to get the hostages back. There's at least one confession and one separate death bed confession, but the real tell is Iran-Contra. What more do you need? Hostages get released on inauguration day AND weapons get treasonously funnelled to that same regime to skirt the Boland Ammendment? Really? A coincidence? fuck no

>>64399893
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory
It's called just a "theory", but you have to be very naive to not see it as the starting point of the Iran-Contra scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

>>64399896
yes, Carter was a good man but a weak president. Otherwise he should have cracked down hard on the traitorous GOP and the complicit media.
Reagan had similar disasters that were whitewashed and memoryholed with distractions like the Grenada invasion.

>>64398181
Nutmeg

>>64397258
This is why I come to /k/. people who know shit.

>>64399624
I'd argue there's a good case it has to be real war. Sure, people might get killed in training accidents, but I don't think that's going to set enough peoples' hair on fire to get the kind of political pressure you need to get entrenched brass who are set in their ways to consider reforms.

>>64399582

It was also a way to regain some face after the barracks bombing in beirut. Hezbollah more or less killed americans with impunity and Grenada was a much easier target than chasing after terrorist cells.

Ironic that the heebs would end up more or less castrating them in the span of a few weeks.

>>64399888
Hey he killed twenty men with that thumb

>>64397430
>They could have easily mounted a protracted resistance in the jungles with that arsenal for at least a few months if they had felt inclined to do so.
they would have died for nothing if they tried, so they didn't try.

>>64397104
Chancellor Modica, who founded St George’s Medical School in Grenada, would on a nearly weekly basis have breakfast with Ronald and Nancy Reagan. He called in a favor for the night of the USA to save his medical school


>t. One who knows

>>64403487
*might

>>64397104
No. Commies devouring themselves led to the conflict. The U.S. just took advantage of it afterwards.

>>64399728
ironically Montreal is also roughly the same size as Gaza

>>64403487
lmao, this makes total sense to me and is the narrative I'm going to choose to believe

>>64403487
>>64406220
Actually I decided to do some research into it and Modica criticized the invasion https://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/26/world/school-s-chancellor-says-invasion-was-not-necessary-to-save-lives.html so I don't know what to believe anymore

>>64397078 (OP)
>Why was the US invasion of Grenada so effortlessly successful?
No one wants to die for communists and dictators from moscow unless there is a blocking force behind them assuring rape and exceution as the only other alternative.

>>64406246
Do you believe the things you post, Todd?

>>64397496
during the invasion of Grenada, the U.S. killed two Napoleons, an Alexander, and both Augustus and Julius Caesar.

>>64406735
And helped four Hitlers escape justice.
That's all you need to know when it comes to who was the real 'bad guy' of the Cold War.

>>64398210
this is the squad from heartbreak ridge minus Clint Eastwood. hell, even the LT's in the pic.

>>64397091
It wasn't for my uncle.
>Go to clean is hovel
>Unhealthy amounts of spider web about the place
>Get bitten by something
>"meh"
>Weeks later
>Collapse on the floor and cracking his head in half
>Turns out it was a spider bite and she was venomous
>Turns out your right arm is going through necrosis and if we don't cut it out you're going to die :)
>Loose an arm
>Cranial fracture
>Failed to clean all the cobwebs

>>64406915
Where did your uncle live?

>>64406941
Uruguay. Moved there after his wife kicked him out and took his business away from him.

>>64398208
so you're telling me Grenada could've taken all of ours?

>>64398323
Stop having a meltie about zoomerlingo. They get off on that fr fr

>>64397258
SOCOM really are professional lolcows.

>>64397430
Any police department in the US has more firepower than that.

>>64398558
Ziggers go to war like its fortnite. They have to loot for actual equipment from their own dead ala enemy at the gates

>>64406749
BASED!

>>64408719
The Air Force deployed airmen from their Special Activities Center during the invasion to gather intel on the Cuban troops on the island.
Not much is known about AFSAC but they were apparently trained by the CIA to assist in glowie shit. These guys are certified killers and also look like your uncle's hunting group.
Also note the CONUS MAC white paint scheme on the helicopter since everything was sourced from NORTHCOM.

>>64397104
yeah of course though the granadian goverment also fuckd up by killing each other