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Anonymous No.64398123 >>64398130 >>64398350 >>64398950 >>64399072 >>64399274 >>64399653 >>64399674 >>64401674 >>64403519 >>64403749 >>64404413
If a single ICBM of unknown origin appeared in the Pacific, heading for the US, what would the protocol actually be? Anti-ballistics have been tried without success.
Anonymous No.64398130 >>64398161 >>64398183 >>64399556
>>64398123 (OP)
>Anti-ballistics have been tried without success.
Well assuming that's part of your bullshit fantasy not much. Thankfully its not reality.
Anonymous No.64398161
>>64398130
I genuinely hate that playground bullshit, OP is a massive faggot on par with "ignoring (X) why is (Y) the best thing ever?!" Posts.

/x/ does that shit with their "super spoopy criptards" too.
Anonymous No.64398183 >>64398271 >>64398298 >>64398356 >>64403822
>>64398130
They said each GBI has about a 60% chance of success. They only have about 50 of them so can't afford to throw too many at a single missile. Is this not true?
Anonymous No.64398271 >>64398318
>>64398183
Given the alternative is a nuclear strike on american soil, spending 25 missiles to ensure the ICBM goes down is significantly less damaging to the immediate and long term future of the united states.
Anonymous No.64398298 >>64398318
>>64398183
>a few interceptors or a city?
>what an astounding conundrum

Really?
Anonymous No.64398318 >>64399667 >>64399753 >>64399930
>>64398271
>>64398298
>let's waste half our stock on one missile, who cares if any more arrive in half an hour
Anonymous No.64398350
>>64398123 (OP)
Well we'd throw GBI, SM-3, and THAAD at it to shoot it down. Maybe some lucky pilot on CAP will try to pop it with a 120 or something
Anonymous No.64398356
>>64398183
>Is this not true?
ABMs are a subset of missile defense that doesn't include naval assets.

If anything would fail it'd be the launch decision. Not the capability to stop said missile.
Anonymous No.64398950 >>64403941
>>64398123 (OP)
>If a single ICBM of unknown origin appeared in the Pacific
like drifting in the ocean?
Anonymous No.64399072 >>64399346 >>64403928
>>64398123 (OP)
is this good?
Anonymous No.64399089 >>64404290
Fire virus bombs into the pacific periodically until the continent of asia is depopulated
Whoever did it is probably dead and because it hit water it isn't an act of aggression
Anonymous No.64399274
>>64398123 (OP)
Well, is the ICBM using a single warhead or MIRVs? That’ll factor heavily in ABM usage
Anonymous No.64399346
>>64399072
I thought it was cool and fun, thought thr fact they only fired 2 GBIs at it was unrealistic given the consequences but I don't know shit about our missile defense strategy
Anonymous No.64399556 >>64399799
>>64398130
>Hawaii not that far back
Anonymous No.64399653
>>64398123 (OP)
No such thing as an ICBM of unknown origin, there are a grand total of three countries on the planet with those and America has launch sensing IR satellites covering the whole planet. Your premise is retarded and you should feel bad
Anonymous No.64399667 >>64399690
>>64398318
If there's more than one icbm in the air, you don't give a fuck about shooting it down anymore. You just launch all of your own. Maybe you protect one or two targets of strategic importance with the interceptors capable of taking out an icbm or warheads at terminal velocity but everyone else is just dead and you can worry about sorting shit out later.
Anonymous No.64399674
>>64398123 (OP)
Duck and cover.
Anonymous No.64399690 >>64399718 >>64404417
>>64399667
Pretty much this. There are really only three different catagories of threats that a ballistic missile shield has to worry about:

1. Rogue launch
Someone in another nation's missile forces fucked up or went insane and launched a singular missile at you. If you stop that missile and any submunitions deployed from it, then disaster is averted and your ballistic missile shield is an outstanding success.

2. Negating deterrence from a minor power.
Some shitty country like best korea or Iran builds a handful of nuclear tipped missiles and points them at your nation, and may potentially shoot them at you if you do something they really don't like. This is extremely expensive to defend against, but is barely within possibility for a wealthy superpower like the US if it put enough resources into doing so (which it arguably hasn't thus far).

3. Another major power launches its entire arsenal at you
Almost everything they shoot those missiles at is going to die, your missile defense is going to do approximately fuck all, and the only possible response is to launch as many of your own missiles as you can before the incoming strikes hit, and then launch any of your surviving warheads afterwards. Both your nation and the attacking nation are functionally destroyed.

Of those three scenarios, the US can maybe stop number 1, and can have a crack at attempting to stop number 2 although I wouldn't rate their chances. Number 3 is functionally impossible with any current or near future interception technology because of how much cheaper it is to simply build more harder to intercept warheads than it is to defend against those warheads, and even number 2 requires massive overmatch between the defender and the attacker for success to be realistic (ala USA vs Iran/NK).
Anonymous No.64399718
>>64399690
If you're investing the money to prevent #2 you might as well just pre-emptively destroy whoever it is that's threatening to nuke you. It would be cheaper. If your neighbor keeps pointing a gun at you from his driveway and the cops won't do anything then just firebomb his house.
Anonymous No.64399753 >>64399764
>>64398318
Is it one missile, or is it suddenly more faggot? You can't exactly surprise people with stealth ICBMs. If it's just one, they will in fact burn half their missile defense stockpile to stop it. Since the alternative is getting dragged out into the streets and hung from lampposts.
Anonymous No.64399764 >>64399805 >>64399906
>>64399753
>Is it one missile, or is it suddenly more faggot?
How uninformed can you possibly be?
Anonymous No.64399799
>>64399556
Hawaii isn't coveted by GBI, and they could make a hail mary play with SM-3 if forewarned
Anonymous No.64399805
>>64399764
>MIRVs are the same thing as a whole missile and I am a gigantic faggot
Anonymous No.64399906 >>64404424
>>64399764
To be fair, you ideally hit the missile before it deploys multiple warheads. Or you just economically crush whoever has the missile so they have less of them in good working order so that if they do launch them you make sure you can turn them into a parking lot.

Personally I think the intercept capability is way beyond what is public knowledge if we're being serious. Particularly for high value targets.
Anonymous No.64399921 >>64403928
If a random ICBM is heading towards the US, China/Russia is calling Trump immediately to let them know its not theirs.
Anonymous No.64399930
>>64398318
>let's waste half our stock on one missile
And the fantasy keeps getting more and more contrived..
Anonymous No.64401674
>>64398123 (OP)
>Anti-ballistics have been tried without success.
Really? All those times in the last 20 years America has been hit with ballistic missiles?
Anonymous No.64403519
>>64398123 (OP)
1. Nuke Russia
2. Nuke China because it was most likely theirs
3. Nuke Russia again
4. Nuke Vancouver (see point 2)
5. See if London has been glassed and the world financial system is still standing
6. I dunno Pakistan and India are probably in on it too
7. Call up that autist German bundeswehr general and tell him Moscow is his if he can launch a full Army Group Center on moscow with Germany and Poland within a month
8. Put on some anime
Anonymous No.64403718
In the movie, it's one ICBM headed toward Chicago. So, no loss there. Somehow the US doesn't know the launch point, which is impossible. All the intercepts fail and the movie is mostly boo hooing like a girl over nuclear weapons.

Obvious response at that point is ride out the impact and hope it doesn't detonate. Then determine the launch point, who launched and retaliate.
Anonymous No.64403749 >>64404426
>>64398123 (OP)
The red phones ring. Russia denied, China denies. Since it's only one, we eat it. It hits where it hits and we analyze the chemistry of the fallout. That analysis will tell us who made the damned thing. It gets interesting fast if it turns out we made it. Also depends on where it hits and what altitude it detonates at and yield. Worst case is it's something in the megaton or higher range and detonates above the ionosphere over southern Canada inducing a Carrington Event like mess.. We may have no choice but to launch everything blind to make sure nobody gets over on us. Hard to get the chemistry either if it detonates that high.
Anonymous No.64403762
BTW for handicappers, there are 40 ABM at Fort Greely in Alaska and 4 more at Vandenberg. Even with some of those inevitably off line, still plenty to handle a single incoming.
Anonymous No.64403822 >>64404284
>>64398183
>They said
>They only have about 50 of them
As of 2025, the official inventory of GBI is unknown and most of the anti-ballistic duties fall to the Navy through ABMD.
33 ships, roughly divided between thé Atlantic and the Pacific, are being used for this duty. Even if we go with 10 missiles each (ans they could potentially carry up to 90), that's an insurance against "peace time" sneak attack with two-digits ballistic missiles.
Which, along with the US fire power and projection capacité, is enough for reasonable actors to not provoke the USA.
On parallel, the USA are working with other countries :
- to reduce the amount of irrational actors, to keep their individual launch capacity qualitatively and quantitatively below the ceiling of the american ABM.
- to increase trust in communication about these issue among rational actors. Which World because nobody want a nuclear superpower to be paranoid and impulsive si you don't give him reasons to be so that the apocalypse doesn't start over miscommunication. It Can still happen but it's all about reducing probability.
Anonymous No.64403928
>>64399072
I dunno, but the source material (the author's book) is hot garbage. She doesn't actually know anything other than Pentagon rumor and gossip, which in this case isn't very accurate. The thought that the US would respond to a single ICBM with a thousand aimed at everybody else while said missile is still in flight is pretty laughable.

>>64399921
It's unlikely that either would be able to verify that a missile is inbound to the US with their current sensors unless it *is* theirs and they hear about it from reliable troops on the ground. West Taiwan might be able to detect a launch and track the boost-phase from orbit within the next decade or so, but even then, it's unlikely that *anyone's* NCA would be able to respond in time to a bolt-from-the-blue attack. People just aren't mentally ready for it; they'd need a period of escalating tensions in order to build up the mental readiness and reflexes in order to process the situation and do their jobs fast enough to make a difference before the first warhead impacts.
Anonymous No.64403941
>>64398950
strapped on a whale
Anonymous No.64404284
>>64403822
you can't help them sir
Anonymous No.64404290
>>64399089
>it hit water it isn't an act of aggression
Op level retard.
Anonymous No.64404379
Why would everyone panic like if they were women in the movie? It's only one missile heading to fucking chicago. Just look at who did that and then retaliate. Or ask chatgpt.
Anonymous No.64404413
>>64398123 (OP)
There are between 5-7 ABM missiles in active service at any time, PER THREAT. Meaning for each and every enemy missile. Then there are up to 5 (3 in practice) in reserve PER THREAT.
Anonymous No.64404417
>>64399690
This is 1970s thought. Nobody launches because it's not stealthy. If a device ever goes off in the US of any kind, it'll be a terrorism.
Ballistic missile age is over and has been for a long time. The best they can hope for is to scare you with "impossible to intercept!", none of them are.
Anyone launching has to get through 6+ layers of ABM each with a majority chance of success.
Or did you think we just sat on our ass and gave up?
Anonymous No.64404424
>>64399906
It is but there is no HVT in a nuclear scenario, CoC is universally redundant. There are high value locations.
Anonymous No.64404426
>>64403749
EMP is a meme.
We are not "eatng it" even in the remote desert.
It is trivially easy to sample the remaining nuclear material.

Stop talking.
Anonymous No.64404752
Reminder that the declassification and decommissioning of the supposedly highly functional and reliable multiple kill vehicle system is essentially confirmation that a more effective replacement is currently in orbit at the moment.