Thread 64403460

>Indonesia to buy 42 Chinese jets in 9 billion megadeal
>They are J-10Cs, the jets that Pakistan used to shoot down Indian jets, including at least one French Rafale

Did they drop SK?

Iran looking pretty stupid for buying SU-35s years out from delivery.

>>64403469
No, and Indonesia has also just signed a deal for 48 Kaan from Turkiye. This will give them a fleet consisting of:
>F-16
>Su-30
>FA-50
>Rafale
>Kaan
>F-15EX
>KF-21
>J-10C

This will be the most powerful airforce in Asia

>>64403525
Holy clusterfuck.


>Engines 13 tons class: F110, AL-31FM, WS-10B
>Engines 10 tons class: M88-2, F414
>8 different kinds of radars, 2 different MIC-of-influence for the ordnance
Not particularly specially spectacular.

>>64403525
Powerfully dysfunctional. The maintenance logistics are going to be an absolute nightmare.

>>64403525
More powerful than China, India, and Japan?

200m per jet? LMFAO

Considering the complexity of the various systems involved, from hardware to software to maintenance know-how, it must be difficult to operate.
Is it more important that diplomatic relations have (appeared to) be strengthened through these huge contracts?

>>64403525
The thirdie mindset is being able to look at this flying zoo and feel immense pride instead of shame and madness

>>64403525
I can only assume this is a political play, buying from everyone so that nobody thinks you are their enemy

>>64403544
Plus ordnance, technical support, training, spares, etc...

>>64403599
What I don't understand is why an island nation doesn't focus on a navy.
Like damn. At least get some destroyers that can spot for your planes.

>>64403618
China would likely view that as provocative.

>>64403634
I doubt it, why push away a customer who just bought your planes?

>>64403618
they just bought an aircraft carrier from Italy

>>64403525
What a schizophrenic roster

>>64403538
No pretense there- the logistics already ARE a nightmare

>>64403525
Imagine the mechanics

>>64403634
The indos could just buy a shitton of super-corvettes (2200+/- tons) and officially state they are for anti-drug smuggling duty.

>>64403525
Ace Combat ass airfleet.

pajeet sales and their consequences have been a disaster to Dassault race.

>>64403525
This is in addition to their existing F-16 and Su-27 fleet. Like seriously what the fuck is wrong with this country?

>>64403460 (OP)
Implessive

>>64403766
Vehement neutrality is *very* expensive.

>>64403746
they just did

>>64403772
Indonesia is not merely neutral, their foreign policy is officially "bebas dan aktif" (independent and active), which means striving towards regional hegemony over their Southeast Asian neighbors and Australia, and to reach parity with superpowers such as the US and China, the way India is trying to establish itself in South Asia

>>64403796
>reach parity with superpowers such as the US and China
While this on its own is a hilariously delusional goal, trying to reach it by wasting funds on such an insane logistical footprint is even more delusional.

>>64403525
>>64403796
Indonesia is one of the countries that will become a superpower someday and rival the US.Indonesia is now set to have a capable Airforce once these jets land in Indonesia early next year not to mention Indonesia is buying 5th generation stealth fighter jets from Turkiye.Indonesia also has long range ballistic missile strike capabilities thanks to Turkiye.

take note that indonesia see australia as frienemy. australia is a friend, but have high potential to become an enemy. if you read history about relationship between the two countries, the two countries already find them self as enemies many times in history. there's even a prophecy by king jayabaya from 7th century that said nusantara (indonesia) will go to war with it's southern nation (australia) to become the regional superpower that rule indian ocean and south east asia

>>64403802
Looking at how the US turns a blind eye to Israelis killing women and children, Indonesians fear they would be treated similarly to Palestinians if there were conflicts, for example, between Indonesia and Australia. Historically, Indonesia has been mistreated by the US and Australia before. Indonesian has more realistic view of relationship with Superpower.

In fact, Indonesia is the one who has to worry even though it is non-aligned but is surrounded by American military bases. such as in Singapore, Papua New Guinea, Australia, etc. there is a possibility that other countries will attack it to take its resources, for example, Australia, which has a military backup from the US, could help Papua become completely independent, especially as Indonesia's military equipment is much more outdated than Australia's. especially because Indonesia is flanked by China and Australia, where the issue will definitely be related to the blurred South China Sea and Australia's potential to help Micronesia push for the liberation of Papua... so maintaining and increasing Indonesia military strength is important...

>>64403525
Indonesia is an Ace Combat antagonist faction.

>>64403803
>>64403808
This is some insane cope

>>64403816
Not really.

There is just 280 million Indonesians so Australians (who are cowardly to begin with) are constantly in a state of near panic.

>>64403821
we don't think about you at all

>>64403821
I'm not Australian but I see you indogs talking more about them than they ever even mention you. You can't be genociding Papuans then act like you're the victim.

>>64403684
>Aircraft carrier
>Look inside
>No aircraft
They are pretty close with the roach MIC, so they will prob convert it to a cope drone platform.

Literally Who spent HOW MUCH? on obsolete jets?

>>64403803
Anyone who willingly says
>turkiye
When speaking in an international forum is automatically a retard.

>>64403525
>fighter aircraft from six different countries
>some of which are rivals to each other and will throw a shit fit if they think there’s a chance said rivals can access their aircraft.
Why does Indonesia hate their mechanics this much?

>>64403684
Why do they want an aircraft carrier? The Indo’s are not going to do expeditionary warfare anytime soon and just about every single island in their territory has a landing string (although ymmv on the condition’s of said landing strip). It just seems like a waste of money.

>>64403808
>Historically, Indonesia has been mistreated by the US and Australia before.
Anon being told to not kill or rape civilians is not mistreatment.

>>64403886
The US and Australia both tacitly supported or turned a blind eye to Indonesia's massacres of communists in 1965-66 and the invasion of East Timor in 1975.

>>64403886
>>Why do they want an aircraft carrier?
Superpooper by 2030 please understand saar >>64403796
>>64403803

>>64403895
>The US and Australia both tacitly supported or turned a blind eye
You mean we helped them commit that genocide. Glowies were all over Indonesia.

>>64403876
Türkiye is how King Roach wishes his country to be addressed from now on. It is you who should refrain from deadnaming them

>>64403525
>American
>Russian
>South Korean
>French
>Turkish
>American
>South Korean
>Chinese
All that they are really missing is Japanese and Swedish planes

>>64403803
>>64403808
The only time Australia notices Indonesia is when something gets so fucked up that the Indonesians cannot hope to even cope with
Then the white man comes and delivers aid, donates a heavy lift aircraft or two and then has to spend time listening to some fucking brown midgets shrieking about how they're the worst human beings on the whole wide world because the Aussies and Bongs beat the communism out of Indonesia that time

If Indonesia was a woman, she'd be a bipolar hag with 12 cats that hate each other

>>64403525
All these fighters and they've only ordered 2 A400Ms and still haven't even decided on an AWACs which has to fit in an $800m budget.

>>64403525
Jesus fucking Christ...Did you even realize what happened to India couple of months ago?
Anyway, What a small country like Bangladesh is doing is way more realistic lmao

>>64403803
>>64403808
>indonesian threats
Thanks for making it clear that you're a bunch of selfish unscrupulous backstabbing cunts whom we should forget even thinking of allying with and should just crush right now in fact

>>64403857
Only Chinks can afford to splurge $10B on an carrier

>>64403538
And maintenance is what?

>>64403538
>maintenance
>logistics
First world decadence.

>>64403525
This only confirms the existence of aircraft killswitches.

This way no country can tell them what they can/cannot do with their jets.

>China throws a hissyfit
Fine they'll use Western ones
>America chimps out and uses killswitch
Fine they'll fly J-10Cs
>someone else complains
Fine they'll fly anything else

They'll also reverse engineer these jets and scrap them for parts.

>>64404574
I don't want Bangladesh to get the JF17. It's the fighter jet equivalent of picrel

>>64404859
Probably, a fake or media hyped. J-10c and yurofag is almost confirmed tho
I don't want the turk attack helo too I mean wtf r u goin to do with light attack in the drone era? Chinks and US have better options.

>>64403525
Anon, the RAAF could solo that clusterfuck without even needing to try too hard, if the JASDF doesn't beat them to it. It won't even be the most powerful airforce in Indonesia if a US carrier docks.

American jets come with a remote killswitch, commie jets let you compile your own firmware

>>64403803
>>64403808
this better be quality bait

>>64403869
complex deals make hiding corruption easier

>>64403803
The Cybperunk 2100 future is looking Hot in terms of superpower options (not including bloating MegaKorpse
>USA
>European Federation/Greater Europe
>Ching Chongs
>Poostan
>SEAland
>East African Federation

Fighting for dominance over the Russian warlord states and the stans (Inner Eurassia), whatever the fuck Africa looks like, The Islamic Disfunction States and the the CA-SA alliance.

>>64405027
Forgot to mention the Antarctic-Arctic Papcy and the many many Solar system entities with varying ties to earth based factions

>>64404933
I wouldn't be opposed to the Turk helicopter if they let us build them but, I'd rather focus on getting AWACS and creating a missile and bomb production line before getting attack helicopters

>>64403525
>buying from everyone
>no gripens though
KEK, Sven on suicide watch.

>>64403460 (OP)
This is a bloody crime. We need the Foreign Commonwealth Development Office at ONCE to allocate more resources to the open information partnership (OIP), and its network of fact checkers on sites like these, to level up their engagement and increase their coverage of Indonesian topics in order to increase awareness among resource centers like the USA of the need for regime change in Indonesia.

>>64403525
They should have put all of that money into the KF-21 program and production so they'd have their own jet

>>64403460 (OP)
J-10B

https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/sea/indonesia-seeks-foreign-loans-for-j-10-fighters-naval-systems

>>64404980
>chink jets don’t have kill switches
Yeah, next you’ll say a certain small hat nation in the Middle East doesn’t sell burger tech to chinks at fire sale rates.

>>64406685
>10B
It makes sense if they want to reduce the number of different engines.

>>64406106
This is meant to sound like an Australian but comes off much more Indian.

>>64407101
Yeah this mentioned the FCDO and OIP directly. This is something only a nonwhite glavset Indian pajeet warriortard counter-democratic info threat would do, as those organizations are not designed to be discussed openly.

>>64403460 (OP)
Amerixisters, our response?

>>64404663
You will realize what logistics are when there is a real warfare, not when with killing some insurgency.

>>64404574
>>64404859
If the Jf17 thing is true then it could a number game, as well as the weapons and operating modules are similar to the J10. Not to mention, delivery of the both jets could be at the same time.

>>64405027
>European Federation/Greater Europe
That's SPQE (Senatvs Popvlvsqve Evropa) to you, plebian

>>64403803
>>64403808
On the off chance that this isn't bait, and there is some Indo dude typing this out, take it from me, and Ausfag.

We don't care.

We don't want your islands, or you, or anything else you have. You stay on your islands, and we'll stay on our big one, and maybe we can be friends. We'd like that. So long as you don't go massacre a bunch of people or do some other heinous shit, nobody thinks about Indonesia beyond a bunch of fuckhead drunk bogans in Bali.
And for the record, sorry about that. They make us cringe too.
Otherwise, you do you Indoman. You don't fuss us, and don't let us live rent free in your head.

>>64403460 (OP)
It's sad that the Chinese see selling weapons to Indonesia as a great and prestigious perking of being a superpower. But it's also pretty funny.

Also, however that is, they have at least 12.5% Melanesian admixture.

>>64407768
Holy ESL

>>64403525
thats the downsides of being a so called non-aligned country. can't rely on one source for war machines, we're playing on two feet, west and east

>>64407789
Vietnam and Thailand do it without having a zoo of planes. You indogs are just retarded.

>>64407792
We know our needs better and have the best considerations for our interests, especially as a non-aligned country. Apart from that, our defense budget is still below 1% of our GDP, very low compared to the world average, even though our economic growth is one of the best among g20

>>64407792
They exchange logistic challenges for sovereignty. Unlike Australia airforce which exclusively dependent on a single source, no single entity can ground Indonesia airforce.

>>64407792
It hedged it's bet. If Indonesia decides to take over Singapore or Australia, the US wouldn't let them use their planes. Aren't you dumb??

Holy ESL, Batman!

>>64407251
>Who?

>>64407153
Well I was more getting at the use of 'bloody' being much closer to how Indian English tends to integrate it, and the fact that the FCDO is a British organisation and not Australian one, despite the fact I can't think of a reason the British would care about Indonesia and I don't think they've been mentioned once otherwise in this thread. FCDO is also just the current name the Brits use for their foreign affairs ministry these days. It makes more sense that someone was trying to impersonate a seething Australian and fucked up their Commonwealth states than anything else.
'Resource centres like the USA' is also incredibly awkward phrasing.

>>64405683
Why and how will they let Bangladesh build helicopters when the order is merely 6-12 at most? Not to mention the parts, the engine specially is burger and no experience as well. Italians have better attack helos if you want light attack. If you really want dedicated attack helos in the force then only chink Z-10 and burger Ah1Z are the ones to have in the 2030s, otherwise, would be stupidity.

>>64407275
>You will realize what logistics are when there is a real warfare, not when with killing some insurgency.
There's really no thought process here is there? You're just repeating sounds you've heard someone else say.

>you have to buy every plane in the market as a non-aligned
Literally retard low IQ take

Even India doesn't use an extreme mishmash of aircraft

>>64408031
>There's really no thought process here is there?
Found another redditor retard infiltration, can't research but want to spoon fed everything. It's basic military doctrine, fucking retard, even the poorest militaries have logistical priority. It's 50-50 IF you want deterrence, which you probably even don't understand as your shit of a country never fought a full fledged war.

>>64403525
>when you're so poor your your toys are a mix of different hand-me-down lego sets from your cousins

>>64407499
>plebian
Dediticius*

>>64404031
Kek and helllllll naw

>>64408172
Only because they can't buy Chinese or couldn't buy American.
>Soviet-Russian
>British
>French
>Indian (using British, French and American components like engines)

>>64408201
>which you probably even don't understand as your shit of a country never fought a full fledged war.
Or don't have any real enemy.

>>64403460 (OP)
>>64403525
>F-15EX
>Kaan
>J-10C

As an Indonesian, I don't get why we would order so much aircraft. I thought it's only going to be a high/low mix of FA-50 and Rafale/KF-21, which is ambitious but doable. Do we even have enough money to entertain such idea?

>>64408968
J-10B, younalso aren't getting F-15EX

>>64407939
I saw some news article a while back about the order being bigger and TAI being receptive to Bangladesh opening some production lines for other stuff. It's all highly speculative. A sprinkle of delusion never hurt anybody

>>64403808
I can assure you that the issue of Papuan independence from Indonesia is not a national military priority for the USA

I have serious question.

Who does modern aircrfat logistics look with the existence of metal 3d printers?

I know an space engineer that swearsbthat perfeomances of properly 3 printed, annealed and heat treated part are 99% of pieces made with the old methods. I do not remember which specific metal he was talking about, but i assume it can do alloys.

So can't you just install a couple of metal 3D printers on all airbases, and print pieces as needed?

A metal 3d printer, IIRC, was around 1-10 milions USD.

>>64409522
To give a serious answer, this only really applies with parts that have to endure purely compressive loads. The crystalline structure of metal becomes MUCH more important under shearing load or tension. A bolt made with additive methods would break more easily than a conventionally made one.

Right now additive manufacturing methods cannot deliver a consistent internal crystalline structure in the way that casting or forging can. You can (and manufacturers already do) use additive manufacturing for specific parts, where the loads aren't trying to pull the piece apart, and there's sufficient savings to be had by printing the part rather than casting/stamping/forging and cutting it.

>>64408201
Again, this is drivel only this time it's slightly angrier drivel.

>>64403525
>>F-16
>>Su-30
>>FA-50
>>Rafale
>>Kaan
>>F-15EX
>>KF-21
>>J-10C
Five out of those eight planes use US-made or US-licensed engines, so they do absolutely nothing to make the Indonesian Air Force more resilient to sanctions. In fact, it's actually MORE vulnerable because now either the United States OR South Korea could cut them off from spares for the KF-21 and FA-50 and the United States OR Turkey could the same for the Kaan, whereas if Indonesia had just bought more F-16s they would only have to worry about a single country suddenly deciding not to sell them any more parts.

>>64403895
Ah, yes. The US and Australia oppressed Indonesia by *checks notes* not intervening against Indonesia.

>>64403821
>He thinks first worlders give a shit about mudslimes living on an island in the Pacific
>He thinks first worlders give a shit about browns at all

Anon... we really don't. None of us have ever thought about you, feared you, or care that you exist. If the entire nation of Indonesia spontaneously combusted and sank into the ocean tomorrow it might warrant a slight footnote on social media so that people could laugh about you and make sinkable island jokes, but that's all.

>>64403525
Damn, this Warthunder line up is going to go crazy.

>>64409060
Suicidal and stupidity at its finest.

>>64407939
That's AW249

>>64412135
That's only half true

Why the fuck are bangladesh saars in this thread? If I wanted to read about whatever the fuck happens in that shithole I wouldn't be scrolling an indog thread.

That's not a very nice thing to say, no (You)s for (You) saar

>>64403525
>I WAS JUST A CHILD WHEN THE STARS FELL FROM THE SKIES

>>64406753

China has a bunch of low flight hour J-10Bs in storage as they are trying to replace them with them all Chinese and more advanced J-10C ASAP, these are probably the one's Indonesia are getting since they claim they will have them soon-ish rather than in several years like it normally takes for an export order of new, purpose built aircraft.

>>64413925
My man Green Japan

>>64414067
What's the point of getting those ones? I thought the only benefit from getting the J10[C] was the Gallium nitride radar, getting all the basic NATO capabilities and a engine that wasn't trash like the previous models

>>64409574
Thank you

>>64414518
Not him

>, getting all the basic NATO capabilities
Most (by number) NATO aircrafts still uses mechanically steered antennas (or it was like that until recently)... sharing the same airframe with the J-10C makes easier a posterior upgrade if it wasn't already done.

And the AL-31FN isn't a "bad engine" if you need a navalized engine now that can also be re-engined in 10 years, unlike the original AL-31F, Salyut replaced the fan (more thrust or considerably longer engine life because it can match the old 31F with a TIT ~40K colder) and IIRC the Chinese partially upgraded the hot section to match the AL-31FM2 used on the J-20. China produces the relevant spares too so they can avoid ending with grounded fleet like other SEA countries relying on Russia. Not a 10C but still better than a JF-17 (the new block)

>>64414067
>these are probably the one's Indonesia are getting since they claim they will have them soon-ish rather than in several years
So is Bangladesh, they are getting it like in 2026-27, they are getting the B variant too? Don't think so...
>>64412137
Yes. Best yuro attack helo.
https://youtu.be/si7qUcv4aBw

No proper confirmation yet about its variant, some sources said it's J-10B, some said J-10C

$9 billion figure was a budget approved by the ministry of finance for the 2026 military budget, which may include the purchase of 42 J-10, and also other things. So the actual price for J-10 acquisition is currently unknown

>>64415519
>$9 billion for 42
I think there will be corruption here because, the amount for 42 jets should be 6-7 billions at most.

>>64415807
"for the 2026 military budget" not that acquisition in particular...

>>64403460 (OP)
>>64403525
Menakjubkan.
With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single puff, marked the decline of the Anglo and Sinosphere and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Indonesian Garuda, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of Chinese powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Indonesian plasma gudang garam, hypersonic indomie goreng, quantum Ayam Penyet, neutrino soto medan, gamma titanium mono crystal bakso, unmanned autonomous bootleg Moona Hoshinova merchandise, magnetized plasma Dangdut and the genuine Restaurant Minang will be the instruments with which Indonesia affirms its noble construction of 21st century South-East Asian politics and offers the Asean a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western and Sino leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateral kobo Kaneru.

>>64415810
A country like Indonesia has only 9 billion of military budget? is this joke?
and this guy>>64403525 is saying This will be the most powerful airforce in Asia?
Not kidding at all but, couple of squadrons of Pakistani jet will bring Indonesia to its knees...powerful airforce in Asia my ass

>>64403525
That fucking logistics chain lol

>>64403750
>>64403809
>>64413971
kek

>>64415807

They've never operated Chinese kit before, they have to buy all the infrastructure, training, support equipment and weapons systems from scratch to even get these into the air

>>64415519
>>64415807
>>64416561
$215m per second hand plane even with sustainment is insane. Croatia got a full package deal for 12 second hand Rafales for $100m each despite never operating them. Why are the chinks so Jewish?

>>64416603
> Why are the chinks so Jewish?
They know that Indonesia needs them to balance against the West. If China losses their partnership, then it's really not that big of a deal. So they'll up charge by as much as they want

>>64416259
>A country like Indonesia has only 9 billion of military budget? is this joke?
Inform yourself and learn how the world works.

>>64408201
You know you don't have to engage with every retard you see right?

>>64403538

It could be an attempt to strengthen logistics.

>Have different but similar types of aircraft from multiple manufacturers.
It doesn't matter what system, save that your own infrastructure can repair it quickly and get it back in the fight versus how much is required to service that aircraft long-term. I'm not sure but I would guess that turboprop airplanes are not as viable in the region as fighter jets for QRF operations, which is what anyone neighboring China needs. China has a big army but, it has to travel by sea to be threat. Best insurance is quick, nimble, and powerful jets that can intercept and interdict incoming Chinese aggressor craft, be it Sea or Air.

You don't need to win, just beat them off of you.

As an added measure, defense-in-depth ground based forces to make the invaders pay for every inch.

Then it's just a matter of protecting those ground based resources, which is also in the same ballpark as the jets that engage long distance threats.

Indonesia is still "shopping" but is also in the testing phase of homegrown development. What works? What doesn't? What's viable? What's the benchmark?

In a decade, Indonesia will have their own homegrown "do everything" multi-role fighter.

>>64403525
As an Australian, I'm dismayed and relieved to see this.
Dismayed that Indonesia will continue being a Retard Country in the foreseeable future.
Relieved that they'll be trapped on their islands where their retardation can't affect me.

>>64407636
They won't ever get it -ironically- until they actually live in Australia for a while. They must have all their media and memes promoting this paranoia to think this stuff. Indonesians I've met in Australia have all been well adjusted.

>>64417736
>Inform yourself and learn how the world works.
lmao look at the sentence, is the site has become reddit or something?
>trillion dollar economy
>don't spend on defense even 1%
>most powerful airforce in asia by buying everything to keep everyone happy
This just proves Indo has no real enemies.

>>64409079
This hadn't occurred to me. Writing a "for dummies" book but leaving "for dummies" out of the title and selling it internationally. Could improve the quality of online discourse.

>>64420908
>is the site has become reddit or something?
It's the an effective way to call you "ignorant" (and etc.) in a website where those words are overused and useless.

Indonesia is getting the Chinese J10C mach2.2 which can fly rings around the subsonic F35 subsonic/1.6 with after burner and easily detected by Chinese kill Chains with AWACS . J10C cost 1/3 of the costs.

Next is the J35 which outmatch the F35 by itself with longer range radar, missiles, and stealthier.

>>64421298
>missiles
lmao

>>64421298
>the absolute state of thirdies

>>64421305
F-35 can fight Malaysian and Philippines but not against Indonesia when their J10C(with AWACS) and maybe J35 arrives.

F35 are over hyped by this board. That old plane is no match for the Rafale and at most at par with Gripen or EuTyphoon. all defeated by J10c

You tell me how is the F16 able to even match the J10c. J10c has AESA GaN radar and more TR/m means it can scan longer distance than the old F16s with old radar. J10c has the PL16 range far exceed the F16 AIM120 .

So J10C will detect first the F16 fire and go home while the F16 will be jumping like monkeys in the sky to avoid the dual pulse mach 4 PL15 with AESA radar. No escape.

Even the new F35 if J10c paired with AWAC to detect stealth, J10c faster speed and longer range PL15 will prevail. No match for China's J10C and J35 combination . Chinese kill chains are years ahead of anything US/Australia has.

Indonesia is getting the J10C at a fraction of the cost .... and that alone with AWACS can destroy the F35 which is subsonic (1.6 afterburner) vs J10c mach 2.2 . That means the j10C/J35 can fly rings around the F35

AWAC can detect the F35 , J10C fires the missiles long before the F35 Aim120 can fire

jesus christ

>>64421146
Are you really a redditor? what made you think I commented that?

>>64421491
Poland became no.7 from 18 in 2018

>>64403766
india has done the same thing
east asian shithole trying to buy one of each plane challenge: impossible

>>64421507
>reddit and 4chan dichotomy
>implying the internet or real life even is limited to that
Some posts have an explicit academic achievement... (aka. "you're an imbecile, keep digging dumbfuck", do you understand now?)

>>64403803
>Turkiye
greasy kebab fingers typed this post

>>64421326
>F-35 is no match for a Gripen
>Therefore it's no match for China's implessive gen 4+++ F-35 clone
You're making a mistake in thinking the Gripen can take on an F-35 and another in thinking the J-35 can match a Gripen.

>>64404785
SEAniggers are corrupt faggots and these please are most likely bribes

>>64403538
it's actually fucking genius though, from a political level
having all that shit from opposing countries means you have a working relationship with all of those countries' military industrial bases. information superiority on capability

>>64403525
expect the unexpetable !
godam the IFF is going to be hectic

>>64421491
Difference is, zhangs mostly keep to their enclosed cattle pen. Jeets, OTOH, spread like a wave across the global internet.

>>64403525
What the fuck