Thread 64405221

https://interestingengineering.com/military/russia-cessna-ukrainian-drone-hunters

Wonder if we'll see those recent AN-2's with Mi-8 engines as interceptors too? Or are they too big and impractical

>>64405221 (OP)
>soviet era
they were probably modernized tho. why do people keep using this term?

>>64405234
To stress that Russia hasn't really built much since the fall of the Union maybe

Kinda kino ngl. Less kino than Ukies hunting drones with shotguns while hanging out of the Cessna window but still.

As for the gun, I wouldn't be surprised if it's from the Russian Empire.

>>64405221 (OP)
Being a light aircraft out to shoot down drones when Ukraine has sent drones that are just unmanned light aircraft full of explosives sounds like a dicey proposition

>>64405221 (OP)
an AN-2 with a machine gun sticking out the side would be more effective than this, how are you gonna reload?

>>64405247
a modern f15 is very different from the original

>>64405221 (OP)
That should work, but why is the second army of the world resorting to this is the real question.

They're going to get shot down by friendly AA aren't they? The air defense cuckold will not be denied.

>mass producing prop fighters to fight drone swarm attacks is viable again
soon...

>>64405234
>>64405247
It's stupid because most countries have hardly upgraded from the Cold War. I think in the world of aircraft guns I don't think anything new has been made in the West since probably some autocannon was made for an attack helocopter. So we're talking what? Like the 1980s?

>>64405262
When brits flew the Spitfire, they didn't reload mid air either.

>>64405274
considering how small they are and how similar to large drones they must look...

>>64405278
That doesn't mean much when the dogfights during the battle of Britain lasted about 5 minutes on average before the Germans had to go home and refuel

>>64405270
A modern Su-27 isn't much different from the original

>>64405299
a modern su27 is the su35

>>64405221 (OP)
>WWI reenactment.

>>64405262
By landing like any other plane? Also if its fed by hoppers in the rear of the plane you can have thousands of rounds linked since those appear to be just PKMs or something similar for like a coax mount. Its stupid that thing needed to be made, but it is not really dumb from a cost perspective. Also given Russias lack of care about human life if one gets caught in the blast from a Ukr drone, oh well send in the next one for the low low cost of a Cessna, two PKM-like guns, like 10k rounds of 54r, and like 1-2 dipshits with a basic pilots license.

I was gonna attach a screenshot from the HBO Chernobyl doc of the one guy saying "Send in the next one" after the Hip crash, but I couldn't find a still with subtitles of him saying it. But I figured you guys could still imagine the meme.

>>64405221 (OP)
This "totally real" news site uses Telegram uploads as it's sources.....

>>64405326
>news site uses Telegram uploads as it's sources.....
Modern "journalists" are spokesmen and just re-sharing as "high effort", they're meat bots...

>carry multiple gunners
>fire machine guns/shotguns in broadsides
sigh

>>64405309
I fucking hate Russia changes the numbers of the aircraft and tanks (T-90 is a fucking T-72 at the end of the day) with newer models. Just imagining if other countries did that. "No this is not an F-16, this is an F-37 -- we added a cup holder and changed the radar to a slightly more powerful one)))))"

>>64405326
>>64405337
https://topwar.ru/272316-v-rossii-nachali-primenjat-legkomotornye-samolety-dlja-borby-s-dronami-vsu.html

Even your own propaganda boys admit it...

>>64405340
the Unsung Vietnam mod for Arma 3 lets you fire out the side of one of these with any small arm including RPGs

>>64405404
>the deep sarcams in the comment section
No doubt monke is using the war to kill dissidence.

PS. Budanov still appears on the foot note of topwar, that never stops being funny

>>64405324
>coax mount
>visibly hard mounted dead ahead to the airframe including on top of the barrel
I'm willing to bet they didn't even bother to set a convergence range.
>fed from magazines inside the plane
The standard issue belt box is clearly visible.

What you said makes perfect sense, and if it was any country other than Snowgeria they would have done that. Instead we get visible proof of smekalka in action yet again. Will it work? Kind of, they'll be able to shoot down a few drones I'm sure. Will it work as good as if they didn't just half ass it and pretend like it's some genius solution? No.

>>64405221 (OP)
...they're only NOW trying to make proper counter measures? This should have happened a year ago. I think Russia got cocky, and there was bureaucratic mess where they couldn't react to this. they thought that the war would be over before Ukraine's strikes would be enough of an issue. And there was no rules for doing this, so no one did anything until King Putin said they should.

This has allowed Ukraine's strikes to reach a critical mass where they've hammered their oil industry. Too little too late. Props on Ukraien for Exploiting Russia's stupidity.

>>64405275
ukraine's been doing this for some time.

>Ukraine is using vintage Yak-52 training planes to shoot down Russian Shahed drones.

https://www.dw.com/en/how-ukraine-shoots-down-russias-drones-on-a-budget/video-74071038

>>64405645
The Ukrainian drone campaigning is absurdly effective for its size and cost.
And while Russia had to import a complete production line, and copy the shahed in Kupol, Ukraine has +4 common drones that started by hobbyists and the opportune backing-funding of Budanov.
>They repeated so much the "intercepting is more expensive than doing nothing" that they're doing just that

Are they American-built Cessnas or some copy?

>>64405426
Why is convergence important? If they're square to each other they'll always be aimed at the same target as long as it's not ridiculously small.

>>64405426
Sorry you cant into reading comprehension or are running my shit through a translator. I said they are some PKM-like gun from a tanks coax. Like holy shit man.

>>64405295
And the rest of WWII air battles?

>>64405426
I wasn't saying they are on a coax mount. I was saying the guns are from a tank coax mount or something.

>>64405645
>>64405673
Yup, the drones have definitely done serious damage already, and it's only going to get worse.
Russian gas stations are almost entirely run by government-owned or government-affiliated corporations. Most of them have been selling fuel at a loss for a couple of months now since the government banned them from raising prices.

>>64405349
Didn't the US do exactly that when trying to sell F-16s as "F-21" to India?

>>64405234
"Soviet era" means they work, and only 50% of their development budget went to building mansions and yachts.

>>64405221 (OP)
is the firing arc of those guns clear of the propeller arc?
are they going to shoot their own propeller off?

>>64405349
honestly the F-15E Strike Eagle is not the same plane as the F-15A-D and should have had a new number

>>64405349
Tank 1972, 1980, 1990

>>64407622
>T-54, T-55

>>64407546
I thought the same. A shitty mount with too much wobble and smooking accident.

>>64405326
Yeah, come on. "interestingengineering.com"

>>64405221 (OP)
Do they have any way of aiming past "walk the tracers onto the target and hope your belt box doesn't run out first"

>>64408250
grease pencil marks on the windscreen

>>64405645
>This should have happened a year ago.
1.6 years ago specifically. We've known Ukraine had this capability since March 2024, and with the benefit of hindsight, we now know that the strikes tapering off (until now) was due to US pressure and not counter-capability from Russia. What's even dumber is that Ukraine themselves had worked out a way to mitigate this kind of thing even earlier ( >>64405671 ), Russia shouldn't have needed a year and a half to copy their homework.
I'm not going to bother tying this up with an explanation for why Russia was so fucking lazy about protecting their refineries because I sincerely don't know.

>>64406333
How expensive would it be for Russia to repair all of these refineries if the war ended and the strikes stopped tomorrow?

>>64405262
Oh, that mounting is even more retarded than you think. Not only will it be a huge PITA to actually aim the stupid things like this with how off-center they are, you're outright risking damaging the wing root with how it will rattle around from the recoil.

>>64406333
They're starting to sell diluted gasoline now LMAO.

>>64408859
Quite expensive. Also best case it'd take them ~8+ months to do it even without further strikes at this point.

>>64408859
So THIS is the Russian inflation I've heard about...

>>64408859
The cost is lost profit + repair cost, and refineries still are one of the most profitable things in existence, multi million per day...

>>64408853
>I'm not going to bother tying this up with an explanation for why Russia was so fucking lazy about protecting their refineries because I sincerely don't know.

Russian leadership is top down and slow to react.

>>64408859
They literally wouldn't be able to without Western help, and I sincerely doubt the West will be very forthcoming with that sort of expertise after everything that's happened. Even if they are, Russia will be getting absolutely bent over a barrel for it.

>>64408924
Are you sure about that? I thought that they are still big on heavy industry. Since they have such a large petro industry, they do have the domestic capabilities.. right?

>>64405234
because its 1960s pkt ripped out from 70s tank/bmp/btr?

>>64408961
>He doesn't know
Anon, the modern Russian oil industry was built for the Russians by Westoids experts with Western machinery in the 90s so that they had a chance at being a productive and democratic country instead of the failed state the Soviet Union was. Unfortunately, the Snowgerians like living in khrushchevkas and dying of alcoholism by age 40 so they just kept doing that.

>>64408979
Well then the cock truly is in ass

>>64408961
>I thought that they are still big on heavy industry.
Lol. LMAO, even.

I remember those subhumans laughing for 1-2 years about ukies doing similar shit

>>64405277
The F-35's gun is new, but it was based on the '70s-era gun from the Harrier and C-130.

>>64405221 (OP)
Would be easier to use door gunners. Possibly with shotguns.

>>64409030
Just a week ago there was some jeet claiming it was proof of Ukraine losing (and also calling other posters ESL for using the term "killing" in regards to drones because "It's not alive akshully").

>>64409030
The real joke being the ukies did it better even then. They realised form the start that >>64409077 has a point.

>>64409015
Canada pls step it up, Mexico is beating you now.

>>64405221 (OP)
>soviet era
why do you guys keep using this like it means anything when firearms tech has been stagnate since before the soviet union's collapse?

>>64410044
Maybe because it means a hell of a lot, actually.

>>64408859
Chat, is this real?

>>64405234
Because the Soviets are literally as dysfunctional as the Imperium of Man and LARPS as them so pretty much all their shit is just old archaeo-tech rather than actually new stuff.

>>64410567
>Another day of 40k whores being the new vegans/athiests/lgbtq.

>>64408979
> the modern Russian oil industry was built for the Russians by Westoids experts with Western machinery in the 90s
Wrong, see graph. Maybe they got western experts before the 90s though

>>64410567
>archaeo-tech
>*posts image of Kord machinegun (a post-ussr development)*

>>64410764
Do you see how the graph just fucking drops?
That's the collapse of the old equipment built under the Soviets. Most of it was not salvageable and needed to be ripped out and the fields redone by western professionals.

>>64410764
Retard. Your own graphs shows the death of indigenous russian oil production in the 90's, followed by its replacement with imported western machinery. Unlike the USSR, Russia does not have ANY meaningful production capacity for industrial tooling like this. It's all gone. You want to build new industry in Russia today, you'll have to import the tooling. Been that way since the 90's.

>>64410784
>>64410840
He's just an autistic zoomer who thinks things are done in 1-3 days via Amazon Prime, while hardware shit takes years and thus has a lag. So western companies coming in some 95 or 98 would specifically start showing results by 2000+.

>>64410764
Do you really need this explained to you, idiot?

~1989: Collapse of soviet oil production begins
~1995-96: Western-imported production capability starts coming online, counteracting the ongoing collapse of old soviet capability by replacing it
~1999-2000: Collapse of the old soviet capability ends BECAUSE IT IS VIRTUALLY ALL GONE. All remaining relevant capacity is now provided by imported western systems. Importation of such western systems continues, now leading to growth for the next decade.

>>64409030
Anon, the general consensus here is that they should've been doing it a year ago.

>>64405221 (OP)
>wobbly mounting in the worst place possible, where it's gonna be almost impossible to aim properly, ammo feed is gonna be a shitshow and recoil could seriously damage important structural parts
Absolutely heretekal.

>>64405349
There's something to be said for the XM1, the M1, the M1IP, the M1A1, the M1A1HA, the M1A1HC, the M1A1D, the M1A1 AIM v.1, the M1A1 AIM v.2, the M1A1 FEP, the M1A1 AIDATS, the M1A2, the M1A2 SEP, the M1A2 SEPv2, the M1A2 SEPv3, the M1E3, and all the changes that didn't get separate designations like the interim external APU or the TUSK kit.
It's confusing, but it's honest.

And yet, it's winning. But don't blame yourself for being dumb. Even Trump had to be reminded by Daddy Putin with a stern phone call.

>>64406290
You are like little baby

>64412179
bait

>>64408853
>why Russia was so fucking lazy about protecting their refineries
Because the wicked boyars kept the truth from the Tsar, who will surely fix everything.

>>64408903
>They're starting to sell diluted gasoline now LMAO.
I think I saw a thread or two on the Russian 2ch where people were complaining about their car failing almost immediately after filling up at a Lukoil station.
Might have just been the usual Russian neglect leading to water in the fuel, who knows. Adulterated products do tend to be a huge problem in places like this, though.

There's also the issue that many of their Euro cars require Euro-spec fuel, and the standard for that is 95 research octane (roughly 91 on the US pump scale). Not sure if they can even make that in some refineries.

>>64410928
The truth that the Wect is trying to bury:
>1984-1985: Initial decline begins when Premier Andropov (who had previously been the much-feared head of the KGB) dies and is replaced by weakling Mikhail Gorbachev
>1989: Gorbachev's so-called "reforms" ruins the glorious worker's paradise known as the USSR
>1991-1992: The Russian people are paralyzed by fear of the very real possibility of democracy emerging.
>1993: Decline in production tapers off when Yeltsin illegally dissolves parliament and then heroically has parliament shelled when they wouldn't go along with it, permanently averting freedom in post-Soviet Russia.
>1999: Production begins to increase thanks to Putin becoming prime minister
>2000: Production soars after the FSB stages false flag apartment bombings in order to justify a war with Chechnya, Russia is energized by a return to imperialism and agree that 307 dead Russian civilians is a small price to pay to feel strong again.
>2008: Small hiccup due to Medvedev becoming president, but the issue corrects itself once everyone realizes that the newly-appointed Prime Minister Putin is still the boss.
>2014: Ukronazis start doing nazi things so nazily that all oil in Russia goes into hiding

>>64410781
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Purity_seal
i'll refrain from calling you a faggot because you may not know anything about 40k
nigger

>>64412272
>>2014: Ukronazis start doing nazi things so nazily that all oil in Russia goes into hiding
I kek'd

>>64412179
Winning what? Asing vecause Russia is quite obviously and undeniably losing the war in Ukraine.

Does anyone remember that brief period of time when all the societ shills were calling westerners "occidentals" becauae they thought we would find it offensive?

All of these problems are solveable if we all just

BRING BACK THE QUAD BOFORS FLAK AA

>>64413718
>BRING BACK THE QUAD BOFORS FLAK AA

Oh good GOD!
I FUCKING KNEW IT! All wars since the 1920s have been subtily and masterfully arranged by the dastardly Swedes to sell more Bofors products!!!
Those neutral cowards were behind it all along!!!

>>64409046
We could say the same about a 1911 and a Glock. Other materials and switching out the hammer for a striker.... What is the difference? Has the wheel improved greatly in the last 100 years or even the last 1000 years?

>>64405234
an abrams is an updated soviet era tank too

>>64409094
Bazooka Charlie, is that you?

>>64413740
>has the wheel improved greatly in the last 100 years?
Go put top spec road legal 1960s bias ply tires on your car and then compare the driving capability to a modern top spec radial all season such as a PS4AS
As for wheels themselves, steel alloys have indeed improved in toughness and metal fatigue lifespan. Though I would say "the wheel" has more differentiated for purpose than improved outright. Aluminum alloys are lighter, but dent or crack on hard impact forces such as a bad pothole hit. Carbon fiber types, light as all hell and strong, but still prone to crack from high impacts.

So to be autistic and shove a finger up your nose while going "nah nah nah!",
The wheel is better in ways and is the same in others.
The wheels we put on those wheels have improved almost unbelievably.

>>64412201
Bants but I really do wonder how much of the delay is down to Putin's people just refusing to tell him about the strikes for fear of punishment. Do you think Trump was the first one to tell Putin about them? I'm not asking rhetorically.

>>64405221 (OP)
>website is a pop up filled cesspit
>article by: pajeet ranjeet
You should be flayed and thrown in the ocean

>>64405221 (OP)
ukraine is doing this for like 1+ years now why it took them so much time to do the same?

its funny how forward thinking they were with the actual drones but not about interecepting them

>>64414550
In early August when the campaign against the refineries started there was a logistic and capacity reserve to offset the downtime on the refining columns. Russia produced extra for export, and during August the production fell roughly by the export amount. So then in September they restricted export of refined products and re-routed crude to Belarus and Kazakhstan refineries, which had unused capacity. This was reported as "Russia now has to import fuel" in October. Basically, it wasn't a problem until about mid-September, when small non-syndicated gas stations introduced limits for one time fill-up, 20l (in Crimea) or increased prices (by 10-15 roubles per liter, up to 65-75 roubles per liter). Large oil company gas stations have old prices and no limits, but their pumps are not everywhere.

tl;dr it did not matter for diesel fuel (war and agriculture), but it had a 10-15% price impact on independent gas stations and in crimea, which prompted some kind of effort.

>>64405221 (OP)
>Soviet-era guns
so as good as any guns

>>64410567
>Because the Soviets ARE[...]
The USSR was dissolved over 30 years ago anon.

>>64416472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBMeMrPuQyU

>>64416472
Modern russia is still soviet in all the ways that matter, faggot

>>64416472
Soviet is a state of mind.

>>64416503
Your mother

>>64416463
And now we're at shortages and rationing in some 57 oblasts.

>>64416463
>Large oil company gas stations have old prices and no limits, but their pumps are not everywhere.
They have kept the old prices because they're selling at a loss, and have been doing so for at least a month or two.
Like the state-owned banks forced to lend money to the state on questionable terms, the state oil companies (aka all the big oil companies---you don't run a big business in Russia without being associated with the apparatus) are now forced to keep things normal as long as possible. too.
I suppose they will eventually crash if this goes on, but there are sacrifices the regime is willing to make, and the economy seems to be one of them.

>>64416463
>They waited until it happened enough to raise the gas prices to actually do something
These fucking niggers, man.

>>64416472
The USSR never dissolved. It just lost half of its provinces and renamed itself out of embarrassment.
It's still a 'Federation' of various 'republics.

>>64417204
Large companies will be bailed out, and they will also take all the small gas stations, who will go bust. But it is always like that, small business and consumers will pay the higher prices while big oil will only get richer. This is the essence of "state capitalism"

>>64417726
"State capitalism" is when the country is run like a business and most of the industries are nationalized.
"I'm going to bail out companies because I'm not a retarded libertarian who thinks capitalism is a suicide pact" is not "state capitalism". Corruption? Sure. But not 'state capitalism'.

>>64405221 (OP)
Warhammer Ork vibes.

>>64405234
>>soviet era
>they were probably modernized tho. why do people keep using this term?

>>64405277
>It's stupid because most countries have hardly upgraded from the Cold War.
NATO and EU hations have....continuously or do you think the laterst fighter tranches and F35s are just imaginary like Russia and Chinas bullshit?

>>64417645
They literally shelled the soviets and sold off everything of to the highest bidder, as instructed by US advisers. I think that kinda undermines the "Soviet" and "Socialist" in "USSR".

>>64418441
>They literally shelled the soviets
Based?

>>64408859
DOBSON

>>64412272
>Yeltsin illegally dissolves parliament and then heroically has parliament shelled
>picrel
this was so fucking based of him. He should have done it more and longer and they should do it again soon

>>64412176
how much did the turret change for the new gun?

>>64405221 (OP)
Don't tell the russians but this is going to make them look very silly when the weather gets a bit colder and they start having failures from icing. There's a reason external gun pods don't expose the mechanism to airflow.

>>64417726
>Large companies will be bailed out
With what money?

>>64420767
DUDE DON'T POST THAT PUTIN MIGHT SEE

>>64420930
what the fuck are these supposed to be anyway

>>64422890
Grok's finest masterpieces.

>>64412272
>>1989: Gorbachev's so-called "reforms" ruins the glorious worker's paradise known as the USSR
Stopped reading there, the vatniks ability to blame people who just try to improve the situation that was created before them is the reason why Russia is such a shithole.

>>64425885
He was being satirical, anon.

>>64408859
wtf Budanov hired the Leprechaun?

Oh hey, it seems SBU found them.

>>64412848
they hitlered accross the dumbass very holocaustly

>>64427926
Damn. Almost feels wrong, like a video of Kommuna sinking.

>>64425930
You realize how many russians unironically have this opinion? Jesus, it probalby is even more than half of them.

>>64428412
That's kind of the point of the satire anon.

>>64425885
See; MAGA for this form of society in the Territories formerly known as the "United" States. Have fun while it lasts, because that shit is over.