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Anonymous No.64407143 [Report] >>64407158 >>64407165 >>64407206 >>64407207 >>64407215 >>64407653 >>64407715 >>64407965 >>64408203 >>64408307 >>64409956 >>64410318
What could be the specs for the 7th gen figther?
In my opinion, 7th gens will have a super AI built in.
Anonymous No.64407158 [Report]
>>64407143 (OP)
7ths are probably gonna be fully unmanned or have the pilot's brain ripped out of their body and permanently grafted to the plane for maximum control
Anonymous No.64407165 [Report] >>64407219
>>64407143 (OP)
No pilots. Thats for sure.
Anonymous No.64407177 [Report] >>64407420
Able to airdrop migrants from internal bays for pinpoint strikes on the last few safe and happy communities,
Anonymous No.64407206 [Report]
>>64407143 (OP)
It should be able to take on 5 6th gens.
It's probably going to be the size of a 727, have 10 radars powered by a nuclear plant, and be able to go to Mars.
Anonymous No.64407207 [Report] >>64407219
>>64407143 (OP)
Best would be a modular cockpit that is man optional. So any 7th can operate in Wingman configuration with a simple exchange. Like flipping barrels on a machine gun.
Anonymous No.64407215 [Report]
>>64407143 (OP)
Basically AC3
Anonymous No.64407219 [Report] >>64407233 >>64407268 >>64407356 >>64408280 >>64409960
>>64407165
>>64407207
The only advantage to being unmanned is being more maneuverable which is pointless at this point.
Anonymous No.64407220 [Report] >>64407717
>totally unmanned (no "optionally manned" false pretenses)
>tailless
>no guns
>basically just stealth flying trucks for launching missiles
They will be refueled by unmanned tankers. They will protect unmanned bombers and unmanned transport aircraft. In the air, space, on, and under the surface it will be drone on drone warfare.
Anonymous No.64407233 [Report] >>64407241 >>64407253
>>64407219
People care more about losing a pilot, even if their objective value is less than the plane.
Anonymous No.64407234 [Report] >>64410252
>What could be the specs for the 7th gen figther?
Being unintelligible.
Anonymous No.64407241 [Report] >>64408076
>>64407233
I bet there's tons of people would line up to pilot a 7th Gen that's basically a spaceship
Anonymous No.64407253 [Report] >>64407258 >>64407263 >>64409968
>>64407233
Honestly, once you factor in the cost of training and the man hours needed to make a pilot, I would make the case that pilots are just as or even more expensive than the plane
Anonymous No.64407257 [Report]
It's gonna have low spaceflight capabilities and reenter at mach fuck to strike behind enemy lines
Anonymous No.64407258 [Report] >>64409968
>>64407253
How much are they paying them? Definitely not 100M
Anonymous No.64407263 [Report] >>64409968
>>64407253
I don't have the hard numbers for the Air Force but I'd imagine it'd depend heavily on the plane. I doubt a B-2 pilot costs more than the aircraft.
Anonymous No.64407268 [Report] >>64407279
>>64407219
you can send unmanned aircraft on suicide missions & they're smaller, leading to lower radar RCS cross sections
Anonymous No.64407279 [Report] >>64407307
>>64407268
You'd basically be giving your stealth tech away with the wreckage
Anonymous No.64407307 [Report] >>64407737
>>64407279
not if you crash over the ocean
Anonymous No.64407356 [Report]
>>64407219
more space for fuel and other things
Anonymous No.64407394 [Report] >>64407709
Dedicated fighter aircrafts are very much in a battleship moment right now.
There will be proponents screaming for dedicated/multirole fighters, all the while battlefields will increasingly tilt towards drones + survivable, likely smaller bombers that repeat sorties.
Anonymous No.64407417 [Report]
>Maned because IA still can't generalise to new problems outside of it's dataset domain
>Laser point defense making missiles useless
>Gun turrets, offering 360 lead coverage
>Armoured against 30mm auto canon
>Still < Mach 2
>Ultra manoeuvrable
Back to WW2 it is, you can screencap this and call me a fag in 50 years, I'll still be there unfortunately
Anonymous No.64407420 [Report]
>>64407177
Good Lord, sir! That must be against the Geneva Convention,
Anonymous No.64407653 [Report] >>64407669 >>64408096
>>64407143 (OP)
Let's go, Yukikaze.
Anonymous No.64407669 [Report] >>64408096
>>64407653
>autist who falls in love with airplane
Finally, an MC I can relate to
Anonymous No.64407709 [Report] >>64408173
>>64407394
Are you claiming air to air is obsolete? That sounds outright deranged.
Anonymous No.64407715 [Report]
>>64407143 (OP)
low-orbital capabilities
Anonymous No.64407717 [Report]
>>64407220
based
Anonymous No.64407737 [Report] >>64407761 >>64407776
>>64407307
>other countries cant scavenge the bottom of the ocean for wreckages
Anonymous No.64407761 [Report] >>64407790 >>64410304
>>64407737
yes, correct
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
we can't even find aircraft in the ocean when they constantly broadcast their position and follow a known flight plan
Anonymous No.64407776 [Report] >>64407790 >>64410304
>>64407737
good luck doing searches in the middle of a war
Anonymous No.64407790 [Report] >>64407804
>>64407761
>>64407776

https://www.military.com/history/thieves-are-stripping-sunken-world-war-ii-shipwrecks-of-their-valuable-steel.html

https://engineerine.com/chinas-deep-sea-space/
Anonymous No.64407804 [Report]
>>64407790
>Article about gigantic ship that was only found after half a century
>Unrelated slopbot article
Kys unironically
Anonymous No.64407965 [Report]
>>64407143 (OP)
"4th gen" was a marketing term. Like Gen X. Then stoopids thought, what comes after 4/X? 5/Y. It means nothing and everything. Stop spouting corporate speak.
Anonymous No.64407970 [Report] >>64408137 >>64409934 >>64410228
i have actually seen people say that only americans are allowed to dictate what each generation means
Anonymous No.64408076 [Report]
>>64407241
Everyone would love to pilot a space craft, but the generals dont care about you, they care about how the media will start seeing the war if you die
Anonymous No.64408096 [Report]
>>64407653
>>64407669
I think it's important that the pilot be able to fall in love with the AI within the aircraft
Anonymous No.64408137 [Report]
>>64407970
the "gen" thing is a very recent marketing term
Anonymous No.64408173 [Report]
>>64407709
So did the concept that direct engagement in naval warfare was no longer optimal.
As did the concept of mass infantry is unviable against a precision based mechanized army.
War is ever evolving. Some albatrosses are more prominent than others.
It's just hard to justify air power as anything less than a win now button with the amount of money being spent on it.
A well entrenched opfor, with access to extensive drone deployment and infrastructure, is no longer at a untenable disadvantage relative to the army with air supremacy - not in information, not in force multipliers, and certainly not in mobility.
This is on a operational and a tactical level. On a strategic level, air power was extremely cost efficient for the US because b52s are cost effective bomb trucks and jdams are basically cheat codes in terms of range and precision.
With the advent of drones the US will continue to enjoy these advantages, but there's now an equalizer for the other side. Previously, fortified Sam batteries and artillery positions as well as troop concentration was food for wild weasel/sead missions and Airforce mission planners - with real-time opfor wide communication, coordination via app networks and drones for deployable fire, as well as traditional methods of fortifications, it's really hard to see an expeditionary force having cost parity regardless of the strength of its logistics infrastructure.
To be overwhelming, even against non peer opponents, NATO doctrine armies will need to plan for larger deployments - potentially much larger, by an order of magnitude.
Anonymous No.64408203 [Report]
>>64407143 (OP)
there will be no 7th gen fighters
everything will be handled by satellites
Anonymous No.64408280 [Report]
>>64407219
Humans make mistakes and have reaction times measurable in hundreds of milliseconds.
Anonymous No.64408307 [Report]
>>64407143 (OP)
>extreme altitude performance, possibly even the earliest atmo to orbit capability for the actual aircraft, not just munitions
>extreme use of AI and quantum computing
>can carry small "loyal wingmen" as munitions instead of them being traditional UCAVs
>cockpit radically different, likely resembling Ace Combat's COFFIN systems
>pilots no longer positioned at front of aircraft instead being more towards the center of gravity/lift due to nature of cockpit
>pilot optional, aircraft can operate as autonomous UCAV with no modifications needed
>built in point defense for larger aircraft
>extreme stealth to such a degree an F-22 might as well have a giant flashing neon sign over it that says "IT'S RIGHT HERE DUMBASS!"
>exotic detection/tracking including systems we have not invented yet
>very likely to have exotic propulsion systems rather than just really advanced jet engines
>exotic weapons alongside advanced but otherwise conventional munitions

6th gen is going to be around for an eternity and end up a proving ground for the tech and concepts that will define the 7th gen. My bet is 7th is going to be an obscene leap in capability, like going from a 10 year old prebuilt PC that can kinda run some games to a bleeding edge overbuilt custom gaming rig that will run anything you want for years to come. Facing a 7th gen in a 6th is going to be a terrifying experience assuming you even know it's happening and you're probably gonna die. 5th gens, even those that could be upgraded to compete with basic 6th gens, will be pretty much worthless comparatively. Might as well be fighting a UFO. The saving grace for past gens is legit 7th gens will be absolute bank breakers and will take a long time to be able to be fielded in any real numbers. Raw cost will ensure even the US could only build a few a year in the early days of the gen.

I figure we'll be lucky if anyone posting today is still alive when the first one flies.
Anonymous No.64409934 [Report]
>>64407970
The leader does get to determine what the metrics are.
Anonymous No.64409956 [Report]
>>64407143 (OP)
Optionally manned would be a good starting point, also needs to be a big twin engine that can go high and fast so the F-15 can be retired one day.
Anonymous No.64409960 [Report]
>>64407219
History is full of missions where the leaders primary concern was the pilot getting captured and the terrible PR that comes with it.
Anonymous No.64409968 [Report]
>>64407253
>>64407258
>>64407263
IIRC here in Oz it costs us ~$5m to train a pilot so much cheaper than the airframe but not cheap.
Anonymous No.64410228 [Report]
>>64407970
Why wouldn't they? They're the ones who came up with the concept of aircraft generations.
Anonymous No.64410252 [Report]
>>64407234
Is this one of them flying tic tacs things that those there pilots keeping talking about on all the news media channels?
Anonymous No.64410257 [Report]
7th gen will probably be drones with or without ai.
Anonymous No.64410304 [Report]
>>64407761
>>64407776
Anonymous No.64410318 [Report]
>>64407143 (OP)
it'll be so expensive the entire world will have to collaborate to build them