Thread 64407879

Also known as the SCAR MK3
Currently in testing with the UK under Project Grayburn as a candidate to replace the L85
Includes a lot of features from FN's MRGG submission like MLOK rails, aluminum lower receiver, AR-15-style rear charging handle, and internal steel rails for the bolt carrier.

The "legacy" SCAR cancellation is due to these going into full production.
Expect to see more of it at SHOT 2026

>>64407879 (OP)
>AR-15-style rear charging handle,
That's the worst part of the AR15. It makes you break your sight picture and shooting stance to charge the rifle, plus it gasses you when the gun is suppressed. They should have used a reversable side charger.

>>64407886
Agreed. They got it right on the FN IPC/LICC IWS

>>64407879 (OP)
>MLOK rails
>AR-15-style rear charging handle
glad I already have a set of SCARs because this kills it for me lmao

>>64407886
SCAR finger is the thing.

>>64407888
Based LICC enjoyer. I want one of this so bad.

>>64407896
Which they've already solved on their other rifle

>>64407912
>let's make hole in the gun for a mud to fall right into the trigger group

>>64407925
>Lets be disingenuous.
Unless the handled is manually locked back, it's only open like that when there's positive pressure inside the gun.

>>64407879 (OP)
hey cool you reworded the automatic translation of this twitter post

https://x.com/teppoblog/status/1978997309665915389

>>64407886
Why do people cry over this, you only need to charge the gun once

>>64407938
except when clearing a malfunction, in which case you're already breaking your sight picture to diagnose it

>>64407888
they need to stell this to me in 5.56

>>64407888
I want this but with a SCAR boot stock

Why? Fuck you, boot.

>>64407896
The Israeli FAL had a non-reciprocating charging handle and a forward assist decades ago without going to an AR style CH
It's not rocket science

>>64408074
wait really? where is the forward assist on the israeli fal?

>>64408074
Why lie?

>>64408019
The reason competition ARs are side charging is specifically because the fastest way to clear a malfunction is with a quick cycle of the charging handle, which they do WITHOUT breaking sight picture. Side chargers also don't get in the way of optics, rear irons, etc. And of course the traditional AR15 charger will gas you with each shot.

>>64408127
Compie faggot shit doesn't matter in real combat

>>64407886
>plus it gasses you when the gun is suppressed.
non issue with an ar18

>>64408124
Retard

>>64408145
Competition shooting brought
>pistols which aren't 120 years old and magazine capacities of more than 7 fucking rounds
Took the US Army until the 1980s to replace the 1911
>red dot sights on pistols in the 1990s
Army still hasn't done this 30 years later except for Delta
>two piece gun belts
Army still hasn't done this 30 years later and soldiers are still buying their own gun belts
>kydex holsters
took until the mid-2000s
>angled mag pouches
Army still hasn't done this

>>64407879 (OP)
Hijacking your thread to ask about this thing. How are you supposed to compensate for drop with it? You can't look into the window with the weapon angled at about 20 degrees.

B&T just called they say they want their handguard back

>>64408163
>Took the US Army until the 1980s to replace the 1911
There are still those who are angry about this to this very day.

>>64408185
And they're right

>>64408079
It has an additional notch on the carrier and you can push the CH to the right to engage that notch

>>64408205
True.

>>64408127
can't wait till all them tactical turtle fudds die out, then assfax will admit that high optic mounts are really that thang

>>64408127
>competition ARs
lmao okay kiddo. Also you seem to be forgetting this is a piston gun, not DI.

>>64407879 (OP)
>yet ANOTHER ar18 derivative in the same form factor

>>64407888
>FN IPC/LICC IWS
holy acronym batman the fuck does any of that mean

>>64407879 (OP)
ARKA GDYNIA
KURWA ŚWINIA

>>64408272
Acronym vomit seems useless, but as inelegant as it is it's actually quite useful.
The Fabrique Nationale (America) Improved Performance Carbine is the weapon component of the Individual Weapon System, which consists of the .264 LICC cartridge, IPC itself, 25-round magazines for the IPC, and a QD suppressor.
The LICC (Lightweight Intermediate Caliber Cartridge) program also includes another weapon system, the LICC-AMG.
FN adapted the .264 USA cartridge and developed both weapons for the Irregular Warfare Technical Support Directorate, but now they seem to be marketing them together with the MTL-30, which follows the same design language.

>>64408306
Thanks. Is this still in a competition, separate to the SIG 6.8

>>64408306
LICC is an awful, awful name and I hope it gets adopted

>>64408306
damn
kino firearms are back

>>64408324
The IWTSD LICC isn't related to the NGSW. It's a long-term R&D program and isn't in any (public) competitions.

As a bit of a historical background, .264 USA was spawned by the same 2010-2016 (and also before and after these years) "overmatch" concerns as the NGSW's predecessor, the Interim Combat Service Rifle. Some people called for a powerful assault rifle or battle rifle to address the alleged range problems of 5.56 in Afghanistan and to unity the 5.56 and 7.62 platforms with a general purpose cartridge (GPC), typically something in 6.5mm caliber. .264 USA, which was similar to 6.5 Grendel/6.8 SPC, went with the large intermediate approach, while the Army transmogrified the LSAT program into CTSAS for a full-power 6.5mm cartridge, this ended up merging with ICSR to become NGSW. I'm not sure about this part, but I think FN was contracted by the CTTSO (now IWTSD) to make guns in the Army Marksmanship Unit (AMU)'s .264 USA back in 2019. They've since modified the cartridge and called it .264 LICC.

>>64407888
>trips
love the licc like you wouldn't believe

>>64408370
Looks way better actually

>>64408399
>was similar to 6.5 Grendel/6.8 SPC, went with the large intermediate approach
sounds like a dead end

>>64408437
>t.noguns

>>64408437
It's more powerful and likely higher pressure. .264 USA got 2875 ft/s with a 109 grain out of a 16.7" barrel back in 2014, so I think we should wait until ballistic data is released for .264 LICC. IMO it should be a good candidate for an EPR-style load.
I'm personally not a big fan of the GPC concept, but the technology used for the LICC is a step in the right direction and the premise is better than the NGSW's.

>>64408370
Unbelievable vibes, FN is retarded for not doing this

>>64408370
>Ejection port cutout on the other side
Why would they go through the extra effort to do this? I did some reading and they never mentioned it having swappable ejection, seems like a weird choice if it doesn't desu

>>64408370
wow, another totally-not-an-ar rifle, exciting!

>>64407886
Literally my favourite feature after the DI boltcarrier. However
>cant charge the gun witha cheek riser
>ive hardly ever shot one suppressed

I just generally think its not in the way

>>64407879 (OP)
>AR-15-style rear charging handle
why not stick with a side charging handle?

>>64407888
I love this lil guy like you wouldn't believe.

>>64407888
>>64407912
Wtf is all this shit and extra charging handles? Just make an AK.

>>64408368
They should give each grunt one of each but have a battle maid droid carry and operate all the guns and the only purpose of men in future would be to be serve as flesh batteries providing the sustenance (love and hugs) to the battle maids (and a reason for the battle maids to fight to protect their little (battle maids are gonna be like 8ft amazonian robotic maids) men

This will probably win desu
FN are the only one with a proper UK factory

>>64408796
I agree anon but that was so out of left field I couldn't help laughing

>>64408796
Aren't you supposed to be on /g/?

>an ugly, more expensive XCR
Wow, cool.

>>64408019
My SCAR has literally never malfunctioned.

>>64407888
Checked, praise Kek

>>64408163
None of these things are a result of competition shooting.

>>64408127
>the fastest way to clear a malfunction is with a quick cycle of the charging handle, which they do WITHOUT breaking sight picture.
Hmm, my rifle stopped shooting when I pulled the trigger. Do I:
a. inspect the ejection port to look for a malfunction
b. rack the charging handle and hope for the best

I wonder

>>64408455
>>64408469
>308 case
>for grendel+ performance
lmao

>>64409116
So .280 Brit all over again.

>>64409124
Yep.
I hate the .277, but if you use the .308 case why would you compromise for it's performance? It's already long and heavy, just make it full power

>>64407879 (OP)
>ARKA
arka arka, muhamad jihad

>>64408045
They need to sell this to me in .264 licc. I don't give a shit if it burns out $2000 barrels every 12k rounds if it gives me .308 muzzle energy out of that size cartridge.

>>64409116
Nah

>2.6 OAL
>473 case head
>only 2850 fps for 108 gr from 16 inch barrel
kekaroo

>>64409178
264 USA ≠ 264 LICC
LICC is fatter

>>64409193
Source?

>>64409199
Trust me, bro.

>>64408167
Like this
Visually reticles completely drops down out of sight video down when aiming far. You need trun gun up until reticles appears back in teh window.
Manual is available on FN website btw.

>>64407886
Another issue is that the AR-charging handle prevents the use of proper cheek risers and promotes terrible chin/jugularwelds and absurdly tall optics mounts (lookin at you, GBRS homos) that'll be looked back on as truly retarded fads within the next two decades.

>>64407879 (OP)
I would prefer the MRGG to this shit.

>>64407886
non issue

side charging = commie bullshit. plain and simple. and i'm not being reductive or facetious actually. none of the pros of a side charging outweigh the fact that it's on an AK and that = gay

>>64409381
The Garamd and M14 are side charging you braindead mutt zoomer

>>64408163
>>64408127
painfully midwit angles

>XCR
wow someone still remembers that. I'm impressed.
>uglier than the XCR
Not possible.

>>64409401
>AR/SCAR successor discussion
>brings up the garand

i kek'd. have a good day anon you bring mirth to those around you

>>64409139
According to EmericD (an industry insider) on DelphiForums/Autogun, which some anons also seem to lurk, they made it fatter and shorter to approximate the action length of 5.56 guns and mimic the feel of the M4, which if true would be some unusual dedication to recoil management. I think compatibility with .308 belt links had something to do with it too.

My civilian ass would consider it a success if they managed to pull off ~2900 fps with the 103 gr out of a 14.5" bbl while being controllable in full auto. It would be the ultimate General Purpose Cartridge gun if so. ~20% heavier than 5.56, matching .308 at range, and low recoil were pretty much Schatz's suggestions.

>>64409516
>General Purpose Cartridge
Retarded idea
>Schatz
Retard

>>64407879 (OP)
Raped by PA-15

>>64409537
I'm not the biggest fan of the concept, but I think that the AMU did a great job with the .264 USA and combining it with novel case technology and good weapon design on FN's end made for an elegant solution. I would like to say it's a testament to how well government contracts can turn out when they're not conceptualized and managed by incompetent knuckle-draggers (see: NGSW), but I'll reserve judgement until we have ballistics data and footage of the guns in action.
I still think the Evolys needs a QC barrel though.

>>64409381
t. actual retard

>>64409414
You're fucking retarded and trying to change the subject.

>>64409362
it kinda looks like the same shit

>>64407886
The gas blowback isn't a problem, these are piston guns.
The actual issue is it fucks with risers, that are more and more necessary these days. You have to either not use on, or use a funky one that accommodates the charging handle.

>>64409756
MRGG still has side charging.

>>64409401
Both of those are worse than the AR doe

>>64407879 (OP)
Why would anyone ever use this over an 11.5 PSA AR?
>Oh my science a bigger, heavier, and worse performing rifle, that's exactly what we need!

>>64410010
why would you use anything under 14.5 if you're not a swat cop or a vehicle crewman?

>>64407879 (OP)
>ar charging handle
FUCKING WHY. The AR charging handle is literally the worst charging handle EVER designed and it's the product IMPROVED version of a worse version. The AR charging handle is the only one I've ever seen that broke or eventually destroys the very fucking weapon it's attached to, causes malfunctions to turn into disasters (brass over bolt) and makes clearing malfunctions more difficult. Godamn "special ed" forces need to have their pp's slapped and told to man the fuck up and learn a different manual of arms.

>>64407886
>It makes you break your sight picture
Do you really clear malfunctions while looking at the enemy? 99% of people also break sight picture during reloads because it's just more convenient and nobody gives a shit. Also, you should be behind cover while doing it.
>>64409342
>prevents the use of proper cheek risers and promotes terrible chin/jugularwelds and absurdly tall optics mounts
You absolute fucking tard.
The name of the game was 1/3 lower co-witness or total co-witness of red dots and iron sights, people only started doing risers and using chinwelds to accommodate night vision tubes dangling off your face.
Even a side-charging weapon will force you to chinweld and use risers because you need an upright neck to aim passively under NODs. If you scrunch down to get a textbook cheekweld you'll slam the tubes into the optic.

>>64407888
why are all modern military rifles like 5 different mismatched shades of brown, tan and black. it looks fucking retarded. and yes the only thing that matters for military small arms is how aesthetic they are. blow me

>>64410117
NTA but side charging is just better

>>64410117
>to aim passively under NODs.
meme

>>64409990
Why are you dodging the issue that is the AR charging handle? I don't care what gun it is, its improved with a side charging handing you can stomp your foot on or slam into something solid in a pinch. When you're in a firefight and your fine motor skills are shot and you're tired and hurt from hauling all your shit, you're gonna go caveman on your gun when it fails you.

>>64409966
Why would you bother to have both on a service rifle though? It just adds weight

>>64410249
Side charging is nice, especially if it's left side charging for a right hand shooter. The problem is that the retards in the US military think that the glue eaters under them can't learn how to use a side charging handle so they demand an AR15 style one too.

>>64410042
Too long with a can, if you aren't running one u gon die in da streetz unironically
>>64410232
Just use the forward assist retard

>>64410232
>its improved with a side charging handing you can stomp your foot on or slam into something solid in a pinch
That requires a reciprocating charging handle that's physically connected to the bolt. Which everyone dogs on because it's annoying 99.99% of the time and you only need it that 0.01%.
>When you're in a firefight and your fine motor skills are shot
Fighter pilots can handle a stick and throttle with a bunch of buttons and 4-way hats.
And consuming fuel to train BFM is way more expensive than a range trip. If some officer nerds can learn how to handle buttons with just 200-300 hours of flight per year (most of it non-combat) you can learn how to operate a charging handle no matter how much of a fucking caveman you are.

>>64410280
Doesn't always work retard
>>64410302
I've mortared a FAL, you don't understand side charging handles

>>64408796
I must confess you have an astonishingly good idea there doctor.

>>64410314
>It doesn't work because... IT JUST DOESNT OKAY?
Source?

>>64410249
Because the AR charging handle position sucks ass.

>>64410302
>That requires a reciprocating charging handle that's physically connected to the bolt
The SCAR NRCH handle couples to the bolt with a latch and only lets it go when locked forward. You can mortar it just fine, and even push the handle forward when it's not yet in battery to force the bolt closed.

>>64410042
it makes it more suitable as a home defense rifle due to decreased length, especially since you want to suppress a home defense rifle to mitigate hearing damage. it will also be less front heavy than a 14.5" suppressed due to 3" less barrel and the suppressor being 3" further back. 11.5" ars shoot 55gr at 2800 fps and 55gr fragments reliably down to 2700fps and you're not going to be losing 100fps within home defense distances. also, 77gr exists if you dont trust that 100fps margin. having said that I own a 14.5" with a p&w qd mount flash hider to avoid sbr tomfuckery and because I just like the way a 14.5" looks suppressed. I think that the 14.5" ar is the platonic ideal ar but I understand the love for 11.5s

>>64410355
>mortaring rear charging handle: BAD
>mortaring this shit: GOOD

>>64410302
CZ Bren 2, XCR, and SCAR all have nrch that also function as a forward assist.

>>64410423
If you can mortar with this little ding dong of a thing, you can mortar an AR-15.
To get better mortaring than an AR, you need it to be fixed to the bolt. Otherwise you're not getting any advantage here.

>>64410417
Sorry, I'm not the guy who said that's a reason side chargers are better. They're just better because they don't feel god fucking awful to use like the AR's. As far as mortaring goes, they're equals. Though the SCARs does work as a forward assist without needing a separate control.

>>64410416
They make shorter suppressors now

>>64409362
Hell yeah. Two charging handles, I'm sure it's a great design.

>>64410302
>a recip is required for forward assist side charging
Israeli FAL bolt carrier and XCR can do this by pushing the handle in

>>64410565
Is everyone fucking illiterate out of a sudden?
The issue was mortaring an AR vs mortaring a side charger. The forward assist was never mentioned. Why is everyone giddy to talk about the forward assist function?

>>64409124
A friendly reminder that the more someone promotes .280 British = the less they know about it.

>>64410461
I thought we were discussing a forward assist function. I’ve mortared Brens before without issue, for what it’s worth, but I see you point. I think the difference between the two is that with the AR, if you successfully pull the bolt back while mortaring, you’ve created a giant lever arm with the charging handle which, if you didn’t pull it back perfect straight, might snap due to the geometry. The Bren, SCAR, XCR don’t have this issue despite similarly little material being used to connect to the bolt.

>>64410731
>despite similarly little material being used to connect to the bolt.
I was bewildered that the charging handle on the XCR simply connects to the bcg with a tiny little notch at most. Made me wonder why that can't be done for other rifles.

>>64410558
One for contract requirements
One actually good one

>>64410619
280 britbong fags are like 10mm, 6.5 sneedmoar, and 300 chimpout shills: they're all noguns

>>64410817
Take that back

>>64411035
Can't handle a 12g? Sad really

>>64411040
I'm not taking the 12ga on bicycle rides

>>64411046
>muh evil burrs gon rape me on muh bike
is paranoid mental illness healthy for you?

>>64411048
Clearly your single track doesn't parallel any salmon bearing streams
Honestly the moose are more dangerous most of the time

>>64409110
B will fix it fastest in most cases. Useful to know when time is critical.

>>64410588
I've had to mortar a FAL pretty hard and clearly the charging handle doesn't need to reciprocate for it to work

>>64409239
Thanks

>>64407888
>nothing is color-matched
Gay faggot shit

>>64415164
It's pre camo.

>>64407879 (OP)
I'm calling it SCARKA.

>>64407938
Why complain about eating shit? its only one bite.

>>64415164
It's to make it pop at gun shows and expos. I used to think it's dumb too until I noticed that you really can't make out the details as easily on most black guns, especially in photos. And they're nowhere near as eye-catching.

>>64416458
I'm not so sure about that. FN wasn't color matching the SCAR either. Color matching has only gone more the way of the dodo especially with brands using FDE and claiming they can't color match due to FDE mixing discrepancies. I also think that it's intentional at this point for camo purposes but also for aesthetic purposes.

>>64417055
the picture in the OP looks like they've used the same two colours from the cerakoted steel and polymer components on the L85A3 upgrade so it's likely from a customer requirement in this case. two-tone breaks up the outline of the rifle a bit.

>>64408743
>>64410111
Apparently the channel for the side charging handle above the bolt carrier is one of the reasons why the SCAR has it's odd resonance frequency that destroys optics

>>64409110
B, since 99% of the time it's the first thing you'll do after A.

>>64409199
.264 USA uses the 7.62x39 bolt face and .264 LICC uses the 7.62x51 bolt face. Look it up if you don't believe me.

>>64407888
nice trips
is the rail on this monolithic? would be pretty stupid if it had a modular forend, I'm tired of losing zero

>>64408306
wow FN fucking cooked this go around

>>64419419
I believe you, I'd just like to see a source

>>64407886
The amount of retards who think actual real shit gun fighting is just shooting cardboard targets really fast, abd doing 2 gun walking and shooting shit, fucking kills me. The charging handle on an AR is the biggest non issue on the fucking gun, considering in most all firefights I've been in, I charge my rifle once.
>BUH MUH MALF-
Like never actually fucking happens. The only time I've ever had malfunctions in anything have been when we're using blanks. And thats an issue across the M4, M240, M249, and M2. Otherwise, clean your M4 like once a fucking week, even if you didn't shoot it, and you're literally fine.

On the flip side, the AR's charging handle is ambi, doesn't catcb on gear, doesn't catch on slings, doesn't break your thumb, doesn't reciprocate, and is dead nuts simple.

If FN doesn't straight up copy the AR chanrging handle so shit swaps over drop in, FN is actually fucking retarded and deserves to go out of business.

>>64419828
All of your cons are made into non issues because of charging handles being nonreciprocating and folding. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

>>64419828
>doesn't catcb on gear, doesn't catch on slings, doesn't break your thumb, doesn't reciprocate,
No surprise the dumb grunt doesn't own anything nice like an L1A1

>>64407879 (OP)
The UK should just adopt the F88 or C7

>>64420617
Colt are blacklisted

>>64407886
Ruger 10/22 side charging master race

>>64419540
Yup, it's fully monolithic

>>64420560
Is that why nobody uses them?

>>64419551
I really like this aesthetic. Gracile, not too busy and not too flat. The machining and color schemes are very fashionable and tasteful. We may be witnessing the emergence of a new European aesthetic that Beretta is in on too.
It helps that the cartridge the IWS IPC is designed for is essentially Jim Schatz's dream almost to the letter, only he would have probably preferred polymer cases. It demonstrates competence on the program management's part.

>>64408399
Do drawings of the 264 LICC exist? Is it identical to 264 USA?

>>64409183
that’s ~1950ft*lbs. just what you’d expect from an elongated 6.5 grendel. I’m guessing pressures are around 60k, but with NAS3 cases, there is room to go much higher.

I’m not understanding why everyone is moving up in caliber. The exact same external ballistics could be duplicated with a smaller caliber and smaller (lighter) case, with higher mag capacity. Just shrink the powder charge by the same factor as the bullet’s frontal area.

>>64411085
I can show you combat footage demonstrating how cumbersome clearing a jam from an AK is when it has one of those hinged railed dust covers on. I can show you combat footage demonstrating a quick sidearm transition saving your life.
Can you show me combat footage where racking the charging handle (instead of taking the time to inspect your rifle) would have made the difference between life or death? Or is your imagined gamer-fantasy of charging your rifle to fix a malfunction to instantly shoot your target just that: a fantasy?

>>64428086
>I can show you combat footage demonstrating how cumbersome clearing a jam from an AK is when it has one of those hinged railed dust covers on. I can show you combat footage demonstrating a quick sidearm transition saving your life.
Sure you can.

>Can you show me combat footage where racking the charging handle (instead of taking the time to inspect your rifle) would have made the difference between life or death?
I dunno man, just watch any competition where it was done to clear a stovepipe in a second and extrapolate how that could make the difference in a CQB scenario.

>>64428230
>just watch any competition
Oh so it is a fantasy, thank you for clarifying

>>64428345
>Show me why my preconceived notion is wrong
>Well you did but I'll stuck in my ways so I won't take it to heart.

>>64428650
he literally said combat footage, retard

>>64422754
It's probably just hell of a lot more expensive to make a folding contraption like the Brits put on their FAL than it is to make AR charging handle #345346, and price wins contracts

>>64422739
Weren't monolithic uppers patented by LMT?

>>64429192
It's a monolithic rail but not a monolithic upper. You can see the rail/dust cover+handguard assembly bolts on top of the receiver. The upper is not machined as a single piece

>>64427204
It's shorter and fatter, with a .473" case head (same as .308 Winchester) but likely even less case taper than .264 USA, and a much steeper shoulder. .264 LICC was also optimized for SST NAS3 cases, while .264 USA was designed with the possiblity of primitive brass-polymer composite cases in mind. Expect higher pressures and better performance than .264 USA.
>>64429192
Such a bullshit patent.

>>64429060
Sure he did.

>>64429192
Only on AR-15s
There are plenty of other modern designs that have monolithic uppers

>>64420560
Why would I own an outdated piece of shit that weighs more than an LR308, let alone an SFAR, that cant be suppressed, hit the broad side of a barn, has absolutely ass ergos, and takes its own value in modernizing to standards set in the 80's?

>>64428086
Lol no you fucking aint showing combat footage of guys transitioning to sidearms. The one thing guys cannot get enough of in combat is distance between them and the assclowns shooting them.

>>64428230
And sight picture isn't that fucking necessity where life and death is determined if you're aiming or not, like you're playing a fucking video game. If you're clearing a jam, regardless of whether its on an M4 or literally anything else, the second it happens you're done. You're not transitioning to jack, you aint clearing shit, and if your shit is actually fucked, with all the tranitioning you do when clearing a house, a few fucking seconds don't matter.

You both could do yourselves a lot better in life by quit imagining real life as if it was Call of Duty and you're somehow min maxing the stats on your tots 733t oper8tor snowflake purchase.

>>64433454
What a doomer you are.
>It's all over if your gun jams. Just give up and die.

Christ. Have some will to fight, you pussy.

>>64433607
You're done as in you're done clearing buildings you leering retard. Your rifle starts acting temperamental, you get moved to the rear of the stack, because the most dangerous thing you can do in combat is clear a fucking building, and the last thing your squad needs is someone who's gun doesn't work. Generally what happens is, the clear gets paused while you do diagnostics, and when you're done, stack gets reordered with you at the back, ahead of the guy carrying the saw if you have someone like that.

And even then, basing the entire value of a rifle around a single fucking feature, in a particular use case, in the event of a potential failure, is indicative of clinical retardation. Nobody clears buildings, nobody wants to clear buildings, if given the chance, its better to shell a building into rubble than clear it. And if you do need to, everybody bribgs grenades because every room you go into is about to be cleared by one before soneone takes a single step inside.

Theres basically no point to discussing building clearing, let alone having to deal with a jam on an M4 being impacted by the ambi charging handle, because you're not clearing a real shit jam in field while maintaining sight on an enemy. The pros of the charging handle not fucking with gear, being non reciprocating, being ambi, being easily maintained, outweigh the imaginary cons conjured by someone who's never once stepped foot in lsco.

>>64433454
>can't [...] hit the broad side of a barn
That's all you I'm afraid

>>64433790
>basing the entire value of a rifle around a single fucking feature, in a particular use case, in the event of a potential failure, is indicative of clinical retardation
Can't you see that you're the one doing that?

The integrated irons and quad rail of the previous models look way better aesthetically.

MLOK only looks good for me on the polymer ACR and QBZ-191 handguards imo, but that's probably bias because they were designed with those handguards initially.

>>64434234
>>64436617
NTA but he's right and you're a retarded underage faggot, probably trying to bump this thread. KYS.

>>64437256
>Same run on sentence structure with unnecessary commas
>Same grammar and tone
>Same predilection for putting insults towards the end of sentences
Least convincing "NTA" I've ever seen.

>>64407879 (OP)
>bongs finally ditching bullpups
End of an era...

>>64437256
>>64437278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooOELrGMn14

>>64407879 (OP)
So they didn't go with the burst-plasma stack and compact single-use 80kV-100A explosive-generators?

>>64437349
>>bongs finally ditching bullpups
No.
Can't say more.

>>64433790
>you're done clearing buildings
>using juden with smallarms to clear buildings
How's that working out for the IDF this millennium?

>>64433454
>And sight picture isn't that fucking necessity where
Ask me how I can tell you've played a lot of CounterStrike and not used your legs much...

>>64437278
Thanks for the masterclass in samefagging.

>>64437386
As opposed to... largearms? I already stated nobody clears buildings if they can avoid it, and if they have to, every fucking room gets rocked with a hand grenade before soneone takes a single step inside.

>>64437390
What does that even fucking mean shit for brains? If your gun is real shit, actually, for really real, fucked, you're not keeping a rifle tucked in your shoulder. Maybe if you have a FTF, TRR works, hut if your gun is actually fucking jammed, your priority isnt some CoD
>URAH EYE NEED TAH KEEP MUH RIFLE AIMEDED AT DEH ENEMI AT ALL TYMES
Shit, when it literally dorsnt fucking matter because you're unloading your rifle to diagnose the issue anyway.

Its a non issue invented by never served who think you can quantify the pros and cons of a gun, like they're the stats page of a sports ball player, or worse, a fucking video game.