Thread 64412110

POV from inside a Turtle Tank: https://x.com/Helvegen29/status/1979295015399575787?
If they were made from scratch wouldn't they just be a huge boxy APC from WW1?

What blew up this time?

Finally footage of this scrap pile working as intended.

>>64412148
The ziggers recently shot down another one of their own fighter jets.

>>64412110 (OP)
Neat, looks cool.

POV: You are in hell

>>64412148
hohol's chance to get tomahawks

>>64412368
>save us donald
this will never stop being pathetic

>>64412161
Why are they so green
Is this a ghost army?

>>64412148
Avangard munitions factory

>>64412110 (OP)
Super cool footage anon. I thought resupplying your front troops was basically impossible in Ukraine

>>64412368
T.

>>64412487
they really are eternal slave goyim

>>64412154
if these things never worked, they wouldn't have kept making them for 2 years. though obviously they have a high chance of not working, given the two company sized armor attacks that got obliterated this week.
>>64412148
it's pure combat footage and it's useful even if it's from the ziggers. how the fuck are you gonna figure out what works and what doesn't if you don't watch what the enemy is doing?
>>64412482
This doesn't look like a resupply run, it looks like the tank dumped as squad of PFI with some soviet era supplies and skedaddled

The scene of bottled water being delivered by heavily armored vehicles is quite shocking.
Is it no longer possible to deliver supplies safely, even at night?

>>64412512
not for the russians at least

>>64412535
Ukrainians have trouble doing rotations and resupply too. Unlike the Russian strategy of sending a trickle of mobiks with water bottles forward like in that flash game, though, the Ukrainians are heavily using UGVs and drones for resupply. Though if you read some of the zigger telegram accounts they also seem to use drones, at least the aerial kind, for supply drops

>>64412110 (OP)
METUHL BAWKSES

>>64412110 (OP)
I wonder what sort of rank in the soldier hierarchy these guys are?
This looked quite professional by current Russian standard. They yeeted all of the supplies onto the ground, but the other guys were there to pick them up, they actually medevac'd a guy, they were all dressed and equipped as actual soldiers instead of impoverished LARPers and seemed to have some idea of what they are doing.
I do wonder how new the footage is though, as if the date on the camera is right, this happened in January, although the Z blocks out the year so I don't know which January.

>>64412668
privates, but probably long term contractors

So the solution to drones is just more armor? Israel had the righ idea with the namer.

>>64412870
> probably
All ru troops in SMO zone are contractors.

>>64412110 (OP)
>can only rotate its turret by 30 degrees
Grim.

>>64412368
>claim that Tomahawks do not work
>screech for months about the mere mention of Ukraine getting Tomahawks

>>64412110 (OP)
>If they were made from scratch wouldn't they just be a huge boxy APC from WW1?
They shoot the main gun several times, wouldn't be an APC

>>64412148
Why are you here?

>>64412913
now put a cannon in the chassis

>tanks are obsolete!
>they just become bigger and more armored
>tanks are obsolete
>they become bigger and more armored

drones will usher in the era of super heavy tanks

>>64412110 (OP)
why don't they win?

Its infinitely hilarious to me that the soviets made their armored vehicles small at the detriment of their performance. Only to have the small size become useless when the vehicles actually end up being used.

what's the reason for EFPs not being more commonly used? too heavy? not enough penetration for the weight? seems like the obvious solution to these turtle tanks.

>>64413231
EFPs need a good standoff, which takes a laser ranging fuze, which exists but isn't terribly common among Ukranian FPVs. FPVs are not the swarm on the battlefield many think. It's more often along the lines of 'we have 4 drones in the bunker for this 2km front and we don't know when the next supply drop will make it'.

>>64412913
of course we did

>>64413030
that would make it a tank

>>64412148
Solovyov had a meltie on live TV because he had to admit that Ukraine isn't showing any signs of collapsing anytime soon and that their domestic arms production is booming.

>>64413517
I wonder why he's admitting that, though. Is he trying to galvanize Russians to "fight the Nazis"?

>>64412148
Russkie Su-30 was hunting ukrianian drones over Crimea last night, until the air defense cuckold decided to do something about it.

>>64412927
the difference is when they signed up and on what terms
>>64413246
stop making shit up
>>64413231
efp drones are being used but PG7 is cheap and plentiful, which makes it the go-to warhead, crap as it may be against t-72+++ obr M41.998

>>64412148
porkroast is sizzling up real good

>>64413517
> and that their domestic arms production is booming
...and that's why they keep begging for weapons. Makes sence (sarcasm).

>>64414038
No such thing as enough dakka

>>64414038
In 2022, ~10% of Ukraines arms procurement budget went into buying products whose creating involved domestic firms. This year, it's 71.4%.

Far from "begging", they've invested much of the aid given to them into massive deals with westerns military-industrial companies, using their money, expertise and growing experience to start co-producing weaponry and equipment in cooperative joint ventures that by this poitn have ensured both that Europe is firmly committed to conmtinual aid, and that Ukraine will be able to sustain the war for years and years to come. Btw, even your very own propaganda spokesperson Solovyov admits to this by now, pidor.

>>64414357
Now to add to this, this is the real beauty of the whole deal retarded ziggers are aren't capable of understanding. Remember, the steppenigger mindset is that there's no such thing as a real partnership, only master-slave relations. So they just plain cannot understand that military and financial aid to Ukraine actually profits the West as it cycles back around to growing and improving their military industries. The very idea that both sides can profit is just foreign to them. And the part that really pisses them off is when you point out that a notable part of that aid is financed using frozen russian assets and their interest as securities, meaning it's effectively Russia that is paying for Ukraines increasing capabilities in the field of killing Russians.

>>64414357
> In 2022, ~10% of Ukraines arms procurement budget went into buying products whose creating involved domestic firms.
Believable. Hohols were restoring remains of soviet weapons.

> This year, it's 71.4%.
Not believable. What exactly (in metal) they do?

>>64414399
> thing as a real partnership, only master-slave relations.
Outfdated propaganda, sis. USA canibalizes EU economy right now.

>>64414405
>Not believable.
What your ignorant retard ass finds "believable" does not matter. The cold, hard numbers do not lie. The Ukrainian arms procurement budget for the first six months this year has risen by ~3.5 billion Euro compared to the same timeframe last year, and some 71.4% of it went to fully domestic ukrainian companies and joint ventures between ukrainian and western companies, which are effectively untouchable to you ziggers because they've built their production sites in westenr european countries.

And again, even your own propaganda apparatus is admitting that this is happening, vatnigger. Seethe more about it.

>What exactly (in metal) they do?
Small arms, artillery systems, drones of all shapes and sizes, armored fighting vehicles, cruise missiles etc. Hell, they're doing most of the intermediary steps by this point. Solid rocket fuel produced by joint ventures in Denmark, new AFV development in cooperation with Rheinmetall, drone production and R&D in joint ventures with polish firms etc. What do they NOT would be the more pertinent question, and the only answers coming to mind is full-size combat aircraft, attack helicopters and warships.

>>64414416
LMAO, retards actually believe this.

>>64414455
> Small arms, artillery systems, drones of all shapes and sizes, armored fighting vehicles, cruise missiles etc.
> t. less delusional pro-ukie fan

> LMAO, retards actually believe this.
It's just a fact, sis:
> EU and US agree trade deal, with 15% tariffs for European exports to America

>>64413899
where is it? it was gonna fall in july

>>64414477
provide an argument and denounce vishnu or stfu you smelly shitskin

>>64414477
I'm sorry that objective, proven reality disagrees with your zigger delusions about Ukraines technical, industrial and financial capabilities. Nah, actually, I'm not. Your wilful retardiation fills me with little but amusement as I watch ziggers getting composted by the hundreds daily by ukrainian and euro-ukrainian arms and equipment, while Europe profits by way of getting to test their weapons and take advantage of ukrainian experience. Everybody wins, except the so-called Russia, which pays in blood and coin for nothing in return.

From Stugnas to Bohdanas to Neptunes to Flamingos to BTR-4s etc. And mind you, that's just a few highlights form the list of purely domestic, non-joint venture articles.

>muh tariffs
LMAO, you mean the ones that have backfired and actually profited the EU in the end? Keep coping.

>>64414477
https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/10/16/frontline-report-2025-10-16/
>From January to July 2025, Ukraine's Ministry of Defense increased domestic procurement by 3.6 billion euros compared to the same period last year. As a result, Ukrainian-made weapons and equipment now make up 71.4 percent of all defense purchases.

>The trend is unmistakable: in 2022, barely 10 percent of Ukraine's weapons were locally produced; in 2023, the figure climbed past 35 percent; by mid 2025, at least 40 percent were built domestically.

>President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has vowed that by the end of the year, 50 percent of all weapons on the front lines will be Ukrainian made, a goal that, given current output, will likely be surpassed before the target deadline.

>Zelenskyy confirmed that Ukraine's defense industry had multiplied several times since 2022, projecting an astonishing 35 billion USD in domestic drone and missile production for next year.
Prove it wrong. We both know you can't and will just lie again. Seethe more about it, nekulturniy pidor.

>>64414477
>>64414533
And it gets even better:
>Across sectors, the numbers tell the story of resilience, with around 95 percent of Ukraine's drones now made domestically, with the remaining 5 percent produced in Danish and German facilities.

>Missile production is roughly 80 percent domestic, while joint projects in Poland and Denmark cover the rest, including next-generation long-range systems. Artillery shell manufacturing has surged to 70–75 percent domestic output — over 2.5 million rounds in 2024 alone, with additional capacity built abroad through partnerships with Poland and other European NATO allies.

>>64414541
>>Across sectors, the numbers tell the story of resilience, with around 95 percent of Ukraine's drones now made domestically, with the remaining 5 percent produced in Danish and German facilities.
That's a relief. The chinks making most(?) of their drones in the early years made me uneasy.

>>64414482
I assume he was talking about the encircled russians

>>64414541
>2.5 million rounds in 2024
This is the figure I've been waiting for, no wonder the ukies are able to manoeuvre through russian lines at will

why is russia losing?

>>64414562
that the best you can do after getting btfo, sukhdeep? refer to >>64414489

>>64414544
>>64414561
The real important thing to take away here is that everyone kept concentrating on what aid the west provided in terms of finished arms and supplies, and completely missed how they helped Ukraine build up its own arms industry and integrate it with those of the EU. Direct deliveries were and are by no means unimportant, but they're increasingly only part of the picture.

>>64413231
EFPs would not change the cause of these "turtle tanks" being harder to kill. They do not stop HEAT penetrators, they simply make it very difficult to aim them precisely. With most of these tanks having no ammunition inside, the only reliable place to kill them is destroying the tracks or hitting the engine/transmission itself. The giant panels of metal on the outside make it exceedingly difficult to aim FPV drones because it's like the difference in trying to use a straw to shoot a spitball at a bullseye from 1 inch away vs trying to do it from 3 feet away. In other words the tank itself is not surviving these hits because the spacing is negating the warhead's penetration but rather by making it hard to detonate the drone at an angle that fires the penetrator into something important.

>>64414562
weak men create hard times

Putin is a weak man who thinks killing or imprisoning people who criticize him makes him strong, but in the end it only created an environment where no one told him the truth if they thought it would upset him. So living in a fantasy of his own creation, Putin leads a weak Russia as corruptions rots it from within.

>>64414562
Currently? Because they're decided to burn their armor reserves during a rain/mud season.

>>64412148
>What blew up this time?
There's a non-stop conga line of things blowing up but that doesn't make this footage a diversion.
It is genuinely interesting to see inside and see how they're used in current doctrine.

>>64412512
>Is it no longer possible to deliver supplies safely, even at night?
No, logistics driver is the most dangerous job on both sides, possibly more than meat wave assault.

>>64413517
>Solovyov had a meltie on live TV
His show is a scripted performance. That meltie was the equivalent of a talking point he was given.
There'll be some propaganda logic to it, preparing the public for bad news or just making excuses. It's a calculated move though, not despair.
He loses his shit in personal feuds all the time but he's not going to do that over bad news from the front.

Like take this archival footage of a T-72 engaging ziggers in cqb.
From Chasiv Yar, no idea how long ago.

https://litter.catbox.moe/cnmhtahtmmrhhhyf.MP4
https://t.me/noel_reports/35807

>>64414562
Russia loses because living in Russia is hell, so the soldiers subconsciously do not have the will to win.

which is also the reason why Ukraine will never stop fighting.
They are literally fighting a hellish invasion and can not afford to win, because it would be a fate worse than death.

>>64412537
Ukies are defenders and have easier access to to rear areas and supplies by land. Ziggers are playing Hearts of Iron 3 trying to paint maps with no thought about strategy or logistics except making Monke happy when 1 m^2 of map turns red after 1000 dead ziggs.

>>64414824
what type of T-72 does the Ukrainian army use?

>>64415081
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+type+of+T-72+does+the+Ukrainian+army+use%3F

>>64414562
>Incompetence
>Corruption
>Got high on their own supply
>Constitutional inability to make meaningful alliances and foster goodwill with their neighbors
>Complacency
>Weak economy
What am I missing?

>>64412499
>if these things never worked, they wouldn't have kept making them for 2 years.
Yeah, but it's Russia though so they would absolutely would.

>>64413246
>EFPs need a good standoff, which takes a laser ranging fuze
bruh

>>64414038
>sence

>>64414562
*gestures at everything Russia has been doing for the last 3.5 years*

>>64412913
It all comes back to casemate

>>64415455
You forgot the poor design of their weapons and tactics

>>64414544
All the important bits (chips, batteries, engines, optics) are still made in china. Ukraine buys the bulk and combines it on a local-made chassis.

>>64412512
I saw a quote from someone there how "the concept of a frontline doesn't exist anymore". It's not safe even several kilometers behind the front.

>>64415046
>Ukies are defenders and have easier access to to rear areas and supplies by land.
Not when Russia has fibre-optic drones that can go 25+ km behind the contact line, also Russia has been taking out multiple Ukrainian supply railroad carriages per week

>>64414562
>why is russia losing?
They are not losing, each month they liberate more territory from the Ukraine, grinding down the Ukrainian army and growing their own army in size at the same time.

>>64417044
>muh fiber-optic drones
Overrated trash, and overrated trash that Russia does NOT have in actually impactful numbers. Try again, ziggie.

>also Russia has been taking out multiple Ukrainian supply railroad carriages per week
May we see them?

>>64417053
>liberate
LMAO, funny word when you meant to say rape and despoil. Not that it's that bad, given they managed a wbhole 0.3% of Ukraines territory for this entire year.

>grinding down the Ukrainian army
Is that why they keep losing 5-10 men for every ukrainian loss and are visibly deterioating mcuh faster than the Ukrainian Army?

>and growing their own army in size
May we see it? Actualy meaningful growth that is: More tanks, more artillery, more mechanization etc. Not mroe useless cannon meat that only serves to further drive up the kill rate in Ukraines favour.

>>64417090
>they managed a wbhole 0.3% of Ukraines territory for this entire year.
yeah but they only lost 332,000 men to do it

>>64417044
>Russia has been taking out multiple Ukrainian supply railroad carriages per week
Can we see?

Ukraine needs to do something cool like bomb the Kremlin.

Russia is experiencing its first fairly serious strategic bombing campaign, so it's going to be a cool winter.

My mind just snapped back to realizing Ukraine and Russia are at war for over 3 years now. I get caught up in the daily this and that back and forth, that I forget that Russia is actually *at war* with Ukraine. I would have thought that if they were at war this long, they would hit Ukraine with a barrage of ballistic and cruise missiles to at least level their key cities to the ground.

Holy shit this is pathetic on Russia's part. It's not ilke Ukraine is on the other side of the world, it's literally their next door neighbor.

>>64417298
Russia a paper tiger

I don't get why Trump is so obsessed with appeasing it

>>64417310
He wants to be a big, strong dictator like Putin.

>>64417298
>>64417310
if their conventional missile readiness rates are this bad, imagine what their nuclear missile readiness rate is

>>64417236
They already did, but I agree that they should do it again with more destructive implements.

>>64417298
They did, I remember a video of ballistic missiles raining down on some industrial complex through the clouds at night.
It's just they haven't sustained that.

>>64417053
>They are not losing, each month they liberate more territory from the Ukraine, grinding down the Ukrainian army and growing their own army in size at the same time.

>>64412148
Ukraine and nato hardware as usual. Lol

>>64417310
Trump believes on the big manly tough Putin propaganda

>>64417236
>Ukraine needs to do something cool like bomb the Kremlin.
Nah, we need another Spiderweb

>>64417494
>Ukraine and nato hardware as usual. Lol
Have you considered killing yourself Prakash?

>>64417494
>no u

Good one ranjeesh.

>>64417494
Well, yeah, NATO shells and assorted ordnance blew up another thousand ziggers in Ukraine, like every day.

>>64418107
1/3 of that is FPVs.

>>64417377
>not posting the official version

>>64418151
>assorted ordnance

>>64418235
Then use a Harvard comma if you mean non-NATO assorted ordnance.

>>64418278
Almost all drones used by Ukraine are made by Ukraine or NATO coutnries, though, msot of them in joint ventures.

>>64418285
>msot of them in joint ventures
Not sure that's true, I think they're mostly made by locals in distributed cottage industries and by volunteers.

>>64418285
>msot of them in joint ventures
Those are the strategic bombing drones and some high-end battlefield stuff.
The drones that are grinding out one third of the daily zigger toll are just FPVs with HE duct taped to them, those are made by random Ukrainians in their kitchens.

What kind of person decides that it's a good idea to keep mining coal in a war zone?

>>64418334
>if the enemy can hit you with long-range munitions, that means it's a warzone
Fuck, I guess all of Ukraine is a warzone, then.

>>64418209

do you have the hawk tuah HIMARs strike video?

>>64412110 (OP)
Nice vid, downloaded

>>64414824
Neat, but engaging what?
>>64415081
Whatever they can get their hands on.
>>64415844
>StuG increases.

>>64417500
That is why he has been insulting him to reporters lately, you ESL scum?

>>64418278
It's an Oxford and is completely unnecessary.

Any more photos or webms of turtle tanks? I'm building a model of one, reference material is always helpful.

>>64419793
>Neat, but engaging what?
A BMP, you can check the post though it doesn't say much.

>>64412110 (OP)
they're suicide boxes

>>64420327
I have a couple where they revert to kit form.

>>64412110 (OP)
Do you think they will know that their sign up bonus was retroactively cancelled before they die? https://t.me/mobilizationnews/24023

>>64413030
Nigga let's GO!

>>64420327
Unless you're going for a specific vehicle I'd say scratch building turtle tanks is very easy. Just use plasticard and whatever scraps and photoetch you have laying around, that's basically how they are built in real life

>>64420327
Embrace your inner Ork player and freeball it. Seems like it's basically what they're doing in real life

I love mods being NAFO redditors using my board as a staging ground for propaganda spam.

>>64426554
>I love mods being NAFO redditors using my board as a staging ground for propaganda spam.
can you just fuck off lmao

>>64412148
Cuckraine's hopes of getting tomahawks

>>64426573
>screencapping your own post
maybe you’re the one that should fuck off back to preddit

>>64426554
>troll like a retard
>post gets deleted
>troll more
>get banned
>ban evade and troll some more
>repeatedly get banned until whole IP range is banned instead
>after ban make a "/k/ sucks, my posts/threads got deleted for no reason, ididunuffin" thread on /pol
>other idiots that do the same or raid /k/ on a daily basis agree to the thread
So where are we in this cycle?
Bonus:
>get baited by shills into shitting up /k/ as a test, get what you deserve and instead of getting you got played side with the idiots that played you

>>64426602
>look in catalogue
>10 russia threads
>mods pruning posts they dont agree with instead of entire threads
Siding with mods, the lowest form of “authority” you can submit yourself to. The most cucked behavior out of any board on this site. It really is a shame how hard this board has fallen, you faggots don’t even own guns anymore.

>>64426602
>raiding /k/
with gore or russia hate spam threads? oh wait no thats predditors like you doing that.

>>64426475
holy based

>>64426475
Is that real?