Thread 64429457

I'm developing an interest in the 32 ACP and owning one, primarily for plinking (I like the idea of a low noise low recoil gun like the Walther PP, as opposed to something like the Kel Tec or other pocket guns which I'm not interested in) but also for personal protection (mostly from dogs, so not really worried about lack of power compared to something like 9mm).

But I am now hearing about how the round is often very underloaded by 100fps or more in basically everywhere but Europe. The reason I have heard is to be safe with the very very old 32 revolvers from the black powder days because 32 ACP was also designed with revolver use in mind. I have found S&B and Fiocchi to be the only available ammunition running 71gr bullets at their full velocity of 1000fps.

Might anyone redpill me on this problem? I would like to use the European pressure but I really don't like buying non-US stuff if I can avoid it, so is any American company loading to Euro specs? I will eventually be handloading so this won't be an issue but I want to buy about 5 boxes of factory stuff to break in the gun (whatever that means) and to get comfortable with it.

>>64429457 (OP)
If you want a gun for plinking then why does it matter if the ammo is underloaded? You can always buy S&B or even premium ammo like Underwood +P for carry if you so choose.

>>64429466
If I for example have a car and I paid for all the engine's horsepower and torque and the transmission's gears, why wouldn't I use them?

>>64429457 (OP)
>I don't care about performance
>Wtf my mouse fart is down 100fps!

It's more like 50fps and only applies to WWB. Remington is good to and is hotter than most European loads despite commentary stating otherwise.

Buffalo bore blows the doors off anything Europe offers for 32 right now desu.

>>64429483
Your example makes no sense, I think you might have mental illness. Most of the time people plink with cheapo ammo and use the nicer stuff when it matters, like carry, competition, or hunting.

>>64429457 (OP)
>Plinking
>32
>Not 22lr
Dead in the streets

>>64429503
>cheapo ammo
The difference is about 8cpr between new manufacture brass case "low velocity" 32, and Euro spec "high velocity" 32. It's not like I'm asking for hollow points or nickel plated cases here anon.
>>64429509
Not a fan of 22 at all. No real point in 22 these days, with all the good guns in 32 and 380.

>It's not like I'm asking for hollow points or nickel plated cases here anon.
That's correct, [you]'re just whining.

>>64429515
oopsie daisy, meant to reply to >>64429510

>>64429457 (OP)
So just buy S&B by the case. My last ammo order included 3 cases of S&B.

>>64429510
I understand your sentiment but what difference does it make if your bullet hits paper/steel at 900 fps vs 1000fps? is it enough to significantly change the point of impact at the range you plan on shooting at? if you're concerned about spending money then just buy a box of low pressure and a box of standard pressure and see if it changes your point of impact significantly. if it doesn't, just buy all low pressure ammo and then reload it to whatever spec you want after firing it all

>meant to reply
No I didn't. That post didn't even deserve a real you. Whiny retards get [you]s instead.

>>64429573
>wow I'm so edgy and cool for not replying to posts directly!
Thanks for bumping the thread

>>64429457 (OP)
>Interested in 32
Don't
>Plinking
Go with 22lr instead.
>Low noise low recoil Walther
It is less noise and recoil than a Walther in 380, sure, but if plinking is the objective then 32 is significantly inferior to 22.
>Personal protection
Get a 380 or 9mm
>Mostly from dogs
And their shithead owners. Get a 380 or 9mm.
>Underloaded because revolvers.
No, that's nonsense. You are mistaking it for 32 S&W or are reading AI search results that can't differentiate between the two. US made ammunition is all slightly underloaded because American ammunition manufacturers are price gouging cheapskates.

Basically, back the fuck up and think about why you actually want to buy a 32. The caliber has been out of favor for many years because it has the disadvantages of both less/more powerful calibers with the advantages of neither. It is horribly overpriced and painfully expensive to shoot. It is a little nicer in terms of recoil than 380, but only a little.
The one thing about 32 is that it's fashionable because /k/ is full of contrarians who want to circle jerk and act all big brained for getting a dead meme cartridge. There are lots of neat old pistols in 32 that are genuinely underrated mind you, but pretending that it's a good caliber is delusional.

So if you just want a 32 because you think it's neat and has a lot of interesting history then great. Get one of the milsurps, like maybe a CZ-50 or 70. Don't worry about how it shoots because the extortionate cost of ammunition is going to stop you from shooting much in the first place. Don't worry about how effective it is because you should be using a good caliber for that instead. Love it for what it is instead of coping over what it isn't, never was and never will be.

literally anything is good for plinking if you can afford it. I like 9mm for that because of how it's everywhere and it's cheap while still being pretty fun, and I can screw around with different bullet weights or +P if I'm feeling spendy.

>>64429457 (OP)
Bullets are so sexy so shiny

>>64429923
I just hate 22s, I can't tolerate the primers failing, it's just not acceptable to use such obsolete tech in the 2000s. Not to mention the other problems with 22.

The internally lubricated bullet, centerfire primer, along with smokeless gunpower, are where I draw the line when it comes to firearm technology.

Be mindful there 2 different shape of rims and one might work better in your gun than the other.

Rule of thumb if you are buying an european gun, you should be looking for ammo labeled in metric (7.65). Those should also be the hotter ones.

American guns should go with boxes labeled .32 (weaksauce)

Buffalo Bore rn makes the hottest 32ACP on the market. People keep coping about euro spec when the only US manufacturer with slightly weaker loads, Winchester, doesn't by 50fps. Remington is hotter than S&B from Europe and Aguila is the same as S&B.

The euro ammo cope is just a meme to get cool looking ammo.

>>64430035
What's bizarre is 32ACP used to be like 9mm and now it's nowhere. I think 5.7 will do to 9mm what 9mm did to 32 imo.

>>64430173
if you truly believe that you oughta buy stock in 5.7 manufacturers, could make a mint if the shift occurs.

>>64430041
based shiny things appreciator
>2 World Wars

If you have a problem with the noise and recoil of 9mm you're going to have problems with the noise and recoil of 32.
People who have no problem with 9mm or larger cartridges are going to say that 32 is softer and nicer because their tolerance for recoil and noise is far greater than yours.
>INB4 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH 9MM
You do have a problem with 9mm. That's why you're asking for information regarding a lighter and quieter cartridge.
Here's your redpill on 32. It is not as soft as you're hoping for and it is not quiet unless you get subsonic ammunition and use a silencer.
Look at the picture. Notice anything? The sound of an unsilenced 32 is over 150 decibels; just 10 decibels less than 9mm.
There is no need for you to reply to this point. Sincerely have a nice day.

>>64430796
Can you source me on this? Curious, especially for differences of silenced calibers.

>>64430081
>2 different shape of rims
you mean this? The bigger cutout seems like rimlock might be easier to solve, but more likely to happen

>>64430796
smoothbrain retard. Decibel volume ratings, as processed in human ears, are logarithmic. To go from 153.5 db (32 acp) to 159.8 db (9mm) represents a 75% increase in noise.

>>64430837
This.
>Only 10 "measurements" higher
Disingenuous af

>>64430834
Yep, some guns will only reliably cycle one or the other

>>64429457 (OP)
Beretta 80X with a barrel swap and Beretta 81 magazines will shoot .32ACP and the 80X is a great pistol. Then you’ll have a .380 and a .32
>>64429923
>32s can’t be used for self defense
What exactly are you basing your opinion on? WW1 soldiers seemed happy to grab them and hop into enemy trenches with them.
>it’s horribly underpowered but the difference in recoil is negligible
What are physics?
>horribly expensive to shoot
It’s not horrible, but more than it should be. You have to buy online. In store prices of .32 are retarded, I saw $1/round once.

>>64430834
To be clear, the Remington is correct and will run in nearly anything, the GECO is just "close enough" euro trash that doesn't actually match SAAMI specs and won't run well in a lot of guns. It's not one style versus the other, it's just a lot of euro cases are made incorrectly because they do not give a fuck.

>>64431120
where can i get a .32 barrel for 80x? i love the 81

>>64430072
>I can't tolerate the primers failing
Don't buy Winchester white box and you'll be fine.

>>64430837
This. 3 dB is an objective doubling of sound energy, and 10 dB is generally considered a subjective doubling of volume.

>>64429457 (OP)
The very obvious solution is to reload your own

>>64431452
If you have an 81, I believe you have a 32 barrel for the 80X. Would love to confirm this.

>>64429457 (OP)
Part of the problem is American pressure limits for 32 acp are only 90% of what Europe allows so US rounds are underloaded vs traditional rounds used by European cops and military. US standard pressure can’t even cycle a colt 1903!

There is cheap full power now: lot of Czech state security 32 acp is being imported for 25cpr and its steel cored and just as hot as fiocchi https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xNQtPDqRAQA

Also fiocchi and modern S&B (even hotter) are cheaper than many us rounds. I’ve also run buffalo bore on my PPK and that’s 1050fps 75gr hard cast which honestly will wound just as good as the ammo I run on my 380 PPK.

But euro standard or +p botique unless you have an aloy frame

>>64430072
>it's just not acceptable to use such obsolete tech in the 2000s
>wants a .32
kek

>>64431516
All of the smallest pocket DA/SA pistols are 32 and fiocchi is hot enough to match the energies I got out of my lcp

>>64431497
i do, give me a bit ive been drinking

>>64431516
What's wrong or outdated about .32 ACP?
It uses jacketed/plated internally lubricated bullets, reloading casings with centerfire primers, and was designed with smokeless gunpowder in mind.

it fits but dont go on frame fully

ok i loed it does fot just keep guide rod with barrel

why the hell doesnt beretta make a .32 threaded barrel for the 80x? wtf guys, come on

>>64429457 (OP)
centerfire systems has .32 acp in 25rd boxes for 6$ a box, its all s&b stuff from the 80's
massive savings buying ammo from them, got like 400rds for around 90$

>>64429457 (OP)
>I really don't like buying non-US stuff if I can avoid it
Let me fill you in on a little secret. None of the raw materials needed to make ammo are being produced/mined/sourced/etc. in the US. So even when we buy ammo manufactured in the US, the foreigners still make a cut.

>>64431997
thank you sir

>>64431497

barrels, mags, and recoil springs are interchangeable but there is some dimensional variance between generations and production years. Allegheny arms averaged a handful of reference pistols when making their barrels so they may be loose or tight. This 80x is about 1000 rounds in and pretty damn loose while the same barrel has zero slop in this clapped tf out cop surp 81. If your barrel is too tight, you can fudge the last bit by tapping the muzzle with a mallet while trying to lock the takedown lever.

>>64433967
Fuckin' neato, thanks anon

>>64431997
That is actually really good. Forgot all about them.

>>64429483
>If I for example have a car and I paid for all the engine's horsepower and torque and the transmission's gears, why wouldn't I use them?
Because you're going to the fucking grocery store on residential surface roads.
That you're even framing your rhetorical question in those terms makes it obvious that not only are you nogunz, you've never owned a car or spent much time driving one.

>>64434240
>implying I don't use all 4 gears and all 100hp of my japanese shitbox on a trip to the grocery store
baka desu ka?...

>>64431997
Always nice to see others getting in on the same deals. Don't forget to always sign up with a burner email address and get $10 off your order.

>>64431997
>>64434256
I remember seeing this stuff was corrosive, specifically because it used corrosive primers. That's a dealbreaker for sure

>>64430173
I can get 32 acp at literally every gun store.

>>64434295
Clean your guns, anon.

>>64434425
Many such cases, but at least the 24 CPR ammunition linked above makes it less stupid.

>>64429457 (OP)
>But I am now hearing about how the round is often very underloaded by 100fps or more in basically everywhere but Europe
1) It's not underloaded. It's loaded correctly for 32acp. European ammo is also loaded correctly for 7.65 Browning. They're close enough to be essentially interchangeable and I'm not aware of any guns that can ONLY shoot 32, but they're both acceptable ways to load the cartridge. More of a traditional "standard" than a spec, though.
2) Euro 7.65 sucks ass to shoot suppressed. I avoid S&B unless it's the only one available. Without the can it's some of the best 32 I've shot, though.

>>64434605
>proper PPK (not the ppk/s abomination) in the proper chambering
Holy based, great image anon. I have to ask... how do you like the black finish? My screen is shit so I really can't tell how good it looks, how close is it to blueing? Any concerns about durability? I was interested in the stainless but the melonite or whatever they're doing also is appealing

>>64434656
The black doesn't look nearly as nice as the old German ones with the real deep proper bluing, but there's not much that does. Maybe for the best to have a more durable finish on something I'm using a can on, and if they tried to do bluing now in 2025 there's at least even odds it'd suck anyway, but I would have liked to see them try. But it's at least as nice as any other modern nitride type finish, and a bit glossier than most. No wear from the ridiculous suppressor holster I shove it down yet either. Overall I like it a lot.
I also have a .380 (also PPK non /s) in stainless which is also a nice looking finish, but I feel would be weird with a black can.

>>64429457 (OP)
Supposedly its a bitch to reload

>>64434836
why?

>>64434839
I dont know ive just seen forum posts of people bitching about it while up reloading stuff, maybe they were just retarded

>>64434314
And? It's not as widely available as 9mm which it once was analogous to.

At best I see 1 or 2 skus and literally 1 box available at the stores I go to. Compare that to even boutique hunting rounds and it's nothing.

God I love .32.

>>64434969
Is it gay blowback or does it still have a locking action?

>>64435050
nta but I'm 99% sure these have a real locked-breach action, it's basically the only real alternative to a P-32

>>64435050
>>64435168
For all purposes it is just blow back.
The locking shelf is instead a ramp. I'm sure it impacts some amount of friction to stop the slide from flying open but what measurable effect is has is beyond my understanding.
If you have shot any full size 22 trainer, the recoil impulse is the same.

>>64435179
devastating

>>64435168
>>64435179
Facstnig, thank you. Would be nice to have a real locking system to minimize port pop.

>>64429457 (OP)
Every person under 6'2 and 160lb should carry a 32. It is ideal. It is big enough to kill any man. Anything over it is just not worth the squeeze. Here's the chart (weight refers to lean body mass).
>60-100lb person -25 acp
>100-160lb person (normal human) -32 auto
>160-170lb person - 380 acp
>170lb-190lb - 9mm luger
>190lb-200lb - 357. Sig
>200lb-250lb - 40 S&W
>250lb-280lb - 10mm
>300lb plus - 224 BOZ

>>64434845
it's tiny, you'll be clumsy in the beginning. I shoved the decapping pin through my finger reloading .32, the only injury I've suffered in 50,000+ rounds. Beyond that, there is a lot of variance in brass thickness between brands, so cheap lead bullets are hard to keep from shaving, and jacketed bullets don't have nearly as many types and manufacturers as other calibers. It's extremely frugal with gunpowder though, you can get 3000 or 3500 rounds out of a pound jar, vs maybe 150 rounds of 45/70 say, or 500 rounds of 300 blk from a pound. Another upside is straight walls let you use carbide dies so no case lube, that's pretty much all handgun rounds though.

>>64434399
wont it get all up in every nook and cranny of the gun though? miss one spot and your frame starts corroding

>>64435742
Clean Your Guns, Anon.

>>64435288
>.224 Boz

For the longest of time I thought that thing was some sort of WW2 autismo cartridge.

>>64435303
this is also what's kept me from buying dies for .32 S&W, and why I don't reload .32acp, I don't fire my spanish ruby, or my H&R top break that's barely big enough to fit in my palm, to think about getting dies. I am dumb enough to buy dies for .43 mauser however, my 8x56r dies have gotten some use however

>>64439890
Another quirk is it takes a different shellholder than 327/.32 long. I think the roll crimp inside a 32 long die might be too deep to really engage the 32 acp's mouth, but it gets small enough to chamber. I've only really had that problem with the short FTX hornady 45/70 brass, had to grind down a lee factory crimp die to actually get a crimp on them.

>>64439965
Loading the various .32's I've got a devilish idea, you could pull the plentiful steel core bullets from this steel core surplus and put them in about any .312 bore round. I could make an extra spicy load for my .32-20 fifth model hand ejector S&W, 3.8gr of hp-38 was a pretty snappy load with a 115gr hardcast. you could probably make quite a snappy load for a TT-33

>>64439999
More energy and penetration than 380ACP. Buy european brass. It's the correct size for .308 bullets.

>>64439999
7.65 Browning +P+ load. But a gun with 14mm OD barrel handles it fine. Matches energy of 380ACP +P. Deeper penetration.

>>64439999
checked
wonder what kind of velocity I could get with a 24" marlin in 32-20. It's pretty old though, I wouldn't want to damage it. Might have to buy a few boxes just for that, put some craters in my gongs.

>>64430837
as a pedantic autistic I feel obligated to point out that while decibels are a logarithmic unit, since human perception of sound is. Our sense of pitch is logarithmic as well fwiw.

>>64443003
At this point just get a .30 SC or .327 Federal Magnum.

>>64435288
That's funny. I'm 145lbs and I carry either a p32 or 32 j frame 95% of the time. 9mm px4 5%.

>>64429457 (OP)
>low noise low recoil gun like the Walther PP, as opposed to something like the Kel Tec
The P32 is locked breech, the PP is blowback, you are not smart.
Also US loaded bulk ammo is fucking trash, you do you but just understand you like paying more for trash.

>>64443003
>a gun with 14mm OD barrel handles it fine
The case won't you fuckin' retard.

>>64429923
There's a very noticeable difference between shooting a P32 and a P3AT. 32 is perfect for pocket pistols and .380 is annoying to use in a pocket pistol. Outside of that size range you're right there's no real point in using 32

>>64446147
>The P32 is locked breech, the PP is blowback
That does not in any significant way make the P32 more pleasant to shoot than the PP.
You "but muh locked breech! Blowback means a 200% increase in felt recoil!" people never learn. The difference is minimal, and virtually nonexistent when comparing a 7oz gun (P32) to a 25oz gun (PP)

>>64429483
because you'll hasten the mean time between failure, and void the warranty.

>>64446670
You've clearly never shot either if you believe that. The difference is huge, they're very different guns. I greatly prefer the Kel-Tec, personally, much more comfortable to shoot despite the huge difference in weight, and I appreciate the last round hold-open. The Beretta has a much better trigger, most importantly to me is a much better reset. The Beretta is not a pocket pistol though, it's heavy as fuck and would be terrible to pocket carry, I'd never choose it over the Kel-Tec. I know you can't have guns in your shitty third-world country so go look up some Youtube videos comparing them, I know you love Youtube videos of Americans with guns.

>>64443512
I would agree, if moar guns were made in them. Its slim pickins for .30, slightly less slim for .327 and then a bigger range for .32 acp

>>64449484
>slightly less slim for .327 and then a bigger range for .32 acp
But all guns chambered in .327 (like that Ruger SP101) can also shoot .32 H&R and .32 ACP, so it's kind of nice to have a gun that can shoot all three cartridges and will shoot the hottest .32 ACP handloads you can make.

>>64429510
>No real point in 22 these days, with all the good guns in 32 and 380.
You've never shot a gun. Get out newfag.

>>64434656
The picture is literally a PPK/s, dipshit. The exposed backstrap and droopy dick tail is the give away.

>>64452236
It's not, it's a PPK. The backstrap is not exposed, that's the black grip being the same color as the gun. It's easier to tell with the silver one. The tail is like that on ALL the new production guns, PPK and PPK/s alike, unfortunately.

>>64452520
The PPK/s also says Mod. PPK/S on the side, instead of Mod. PPK.

>>64452680
Sadly this isn't always true and I don't know why so I just blame Smith & Wesson.

>>64429457 (OP)
>32 ACP
Get Bernardelli Mod. 60 for half the price of a ppk. And a vz61 for suppressed frt fun.

>>64453245
It is with the new Walther US ones in Ft. Smith.
I think Smith is actually innocent of this particular crime too. The mismatches I've seen are all very early import PPK/s models from right after they had to revise the frame for saturday night special laws. Those ones will have sometimes PPK/s frames but still have PPK on the slides. I think they got it sorted fairly quickly since there's some pretty early ones that are right, but some of the earliest did get in before they started making dedicated PPK/s slides. As far as I know, none of the ones since they started making the frames here have been mislabeled on the slide (which is actually a Walther Germany import even now) unless by a random fluke or someone switching them around after the fact.

>>64434295
it is not corrosive; where did you see this? S&B made little corrosive ammo decades ago, and never for pistol caliber stuff from what i can find

>>64429457 (OP)
Aside from the P32 and some super old Stars and positively ancient Remingtons, are there any locked action .32s? I know one of the benefits is that it's so much of a powderpuff that making a blowback is trivial, but I've got a project in mind that requires a locked breech.

>>64454872
taurus pt132

>>64429457 (OP)
if you want a gun for plinking get a .22lr you dumb zoomer

>>64429457 (OP)
>32 ACP and owning one, primarily for plinking (I

Bersa Walther PPK thing. Looks and Cheap.

>>64429483
>32acp plinker logic

>>64455163
No. They cut down the locking surface so a it's just pure blowback. It's similar to what Glock did on the 28.

Brain Blast: P32 with a 3.5"er and a super-light can over the exposed barrel as an integral suppressor

>>64457086
the barrel should still tilt i believe, i think it does is a glock model 25 and 28 as well. they cut the barrel like that so they didnt have to change slide and frame dimensions mostly i believe

>>64434295
It is not corrosive ammo. It is steel core, though, if you like making sparks.

>>64457086
Also one of the worst guns of all time being part of the Millennium series and one of an entire line of handguns Taurus had to recall. Taurus looked at Kel-Tec's modular shitbangers of the 90s and said, "we can do that!" and made their own derivatives that were striker fired, without any of the safety mechanisms one would expect of a striker fired gun. All of the Millennium line from 1997 to 2013 was recalled, full-cocked striker, no firing pin safety, no trigger safety, they'd go off if you shook them hard or twisted the slide relative to the frame. Even the fancy models had decockers and manual safeties that were both capable of firing the gun. So they went off in holsters, they went off when dropped, they went off whenever they felt like it and even managed to kill some folks by shooting them through the leg while they were appendix carrying. Finally a cop dropped one and it shot into a civvy car and the lawsuits got their teeth. Largest recall in firearms history, all 16 years of production of all 9 models in the lineup were recalled. This is how Taurus went from being a cheap import revolver company to the "controversial" shitgun company.

>>64457693
The barrel tilts but it's not part of a locking mechanism in any way, it's because the platform was designed for tilty barrels and if you make the barrel fixed you're going to have a lot of trouble feeding rounds. So even though it's straight blowback the barrel still tilts, the locking surface is shaved off and the chamber ramped so it all functions normally. It is still not a locked breach, it's just straight blowback with a barrel that happens to tilt.

>>64431997
Got mine. Steel core, brass case, it's hot stuff don't put it in your tomcrack. Runs well in the p32 and the vz. Mostly consistent, 24 out of 400 were mismatched in some way but all are brass case and steel core, 14 were not the same S&B brass, and there was 1 random turd someone swept off the shop floor that I won't be firing. I'll buy more, hot steel for cheaper than anemic American loads is too hard to resist.

>>64458491
>"Armor Piercing" 32 ACP

>>64431997
Thanks for the heads up, my box just showed up today. I'll probably get some more