Thread 64437367

https://youtu.be/tYjOUNwG8x0

Thought it was Joever.

>2: assumption
Nope.
And those specs are really ambitious and the usual timeline for a development without core or previous design is 15-20 years as fast after defining the design. Creating hype by citing people completely unrelated will "backfire".
If they're being realistic then all the discussion around that engine isn't that "don't need the F110", etc, but a more long term plan, like Turkey independent for high thrust turbofans by 2040.

>>64437367 (OP)
So the F-35A block 4 is a 5- (sic) generation plane while the plane with the thrust vectoring still IN DUSCUSSION (sic) made by the country hilariously named after a big chicken is a proper fifth gen.
Sublime.

>inb4 he posts that 6000lbf engine
You can't just make same engine bigger, there's shit like the Reynolds number effect, or the non linear scaling of control dynamics. Additive manufacturing isn't good for TBO, monocrystalline batches need to be identical for two dozen blades, etc, etc...
Beyond the physical constraints, designing a new engine takes time, and the 2030s timeline is absolutely delusional

>>64437367 (OP)
>we needn't those engines anyways...!
Kek, Erdog should just beg Putin or Xi to spare them some engines.

>>64437367 (OP)
Why is the F-135 turbine inlet temp highlighted red? Higher always is better.

We know you've been getting all your data from China.

Beyazit Karatas is a retired F-16 pilot and general in the Turkish Air Force, he used to be an air force base commander, now advocating Turkey to leave NATO and take sides with China and Russia. He's the Scott Ritter of Turkey (except pedophilia) and his shit shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>64437367 (OP)
Rule of thumb. If Russia (decades of experience) and China (massive industrial base and unlimited funding) can't make competitive 5th gen engines, then Turkey almost certainly can't. Neither them, nor South Korea, India(lol), and not even Sweden (Volvo engines are inferior) can do it.

>>64437471
>(except pedophilia)
Are you sure? This is Turks we are talking about

>>64437416
>the country hilariously named after a big chicken
They're named after a tribal name for East Iranic peoples, but you will never get them to admit that. Nevermind how their precious Ashinas have an obvious East Iranic name relating to horses. Everything Turk is just chinamen ripping off Saka culture and pretending theywuz the real Sakas all along

It's hilarious how that quadrant of the world thinks allying with China is going to turn them into a european power tier society.
India, turkey, then going into the SAs with brazil, etc.

Results come from a compounding advance and are only spurred by a crystallized culture maintaining itself. If the culture's basis is rooted in lies and fraud you'll never get to the top of anything.

>>64437367 (OP)
Nobody *needs* US engines. In house development is cool, and it also helps solidify the scientific development track across the world over time.
I hope I'm alive in ten years, to see a Turk engine on the level of....a 1970s design 1980s produced F110.

>>64437622
I think the funniest part was when they convinced themselves they were gonna make a tariff alliance, even the Euros had more credibility than that.

>>64437622
>I hope I'm alive in ten years, to see a Turk engine on the level of....a 1970s design 1980s produced F110.

Ground tests by 2026 and flight test by 2028. You can screenshot this post.

>>64438149
Superpower by 2029?

>>64438299
Turkish century by 2030

>>64437622
>It's hilarious how that quadrant of the world thinks allying with China
I mean China's struggling (despite making some progress) to make modern engines. Not sure how 'allying' with China gets other countries anywhere

>>64438149
So they're going to defer the at altitude testing to when it's strapped on the plane and hope it doesn't blow up because as far as I know turkey doesn't have an Arnold test facility.

>>64437622
> In house development is cool
The problem is, building a modern high performance engine is REALLY REALLY fucking hard. There’s what, four companies capable of it? The only thing that I think would be harder to make from scratch would be high performance microchips (or rather, the tools to produce them)

Are turks using the FED's printer to finance the development? A lot of Don V. Concerned ITT, lmao

>>64439291
ASML isn't uncontested because it's impossible for anyone else to develop the technology, it's because the market they're selling to is too small to support multiple competitors.

Who will make a passable modern jet engine first? India or Turkey? Make your bets. I'll place mine on the Turks, simply because India tried for 40 years and failed to produce a viable one, while Turkey doesn't have much of a track record to speak of.

>>64439342
They have a monopoly on IP they bought from Silicon Valley Group (SVG). Their competition needed to do the basic research from scratch to catch up. They obviously didn't

>>64439363
Turkey still have the option of a joint venture with Motor Sich-Progress and they have the budget, India is an absolute clusterfuck and their program exists in a political-budgetary void.

>>64439393
Basic research can't circumvent patents. Is in fact easier to develop a beyond-EUV technology like nano-imprint (Canon) than EUV using conventional optics.

China is trying to do multiple things, among them (discharge based) EUV, but their EUV seems more like a previous work for the post-term of patents than a purely circumvent it (they're trying something but it has a lot of trade offs).

>>64437622
>Results come from a compounding advance and are only spurred by a crystallized culture maintaining itself. If the culture's basis is rooted in lies and fraud you'll never get to the top of anything.
/k/ needs an in-depth sociology general

>>64439342
>>64439499
That's complete bullshit cope. If China could make an EUV machines, the CCP would be dumping billions - even more billions than what they've already dumped into try to make EUV- into making EUV machines for domestic use alone. This would give them the ability to monopolize the advanced chip making market, undercutting all other producers. Forcing the world to be held hostage by the CCP less they want to lose their precious advanced chips. The reason they don't just make EUV machines like ASML is because it is extremely difficult, with only one or two companies being able to produce the optics, laser, precision alignment tables, masks, algorithms, and calibration software/hardware needed to produce EUV machines capable of sub 10nm scale transistors with high yield capabilities. If China could do it, they would've done it just so they could control the world supply of high-end chips. It wouldn't matter the economic viability, as it would be considered a strategic asset. All your excuses are pure cope.

>>64437367 (OP)
>kf21
>4.5gen
Lol
>kaaaaaan
>5th gen
Lmao even.

>>64437572
Turkey, frkm turkeys. Goblle gobble gog you flightless plump bird of a country

>>64439157
They are building a jet engine altitude test facility on top of a 12000 feet mountain, next to a space observatory. Story from 2023

https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/vg/video-galeri/teinin-havacilik-motorlari-yeni-mobil-uniteyle-dogu-anadoluda-yuksek-irtifada-test-edilebilecek/8

>>64441168
>A trailer that you strap an engine to and wheel up to the open air of a 12000 foot mountain is the same as a 50000 feet vacuum chamber and mach 2 wind tunnel facility
Are you even trying

>>64441190
Reynolds say hi. I'm sure you needed this stuff in the 1950s where computers and CFD simulations were very primitive.

>>64441197
Why are you talking about Reynolds? Did you see it here >>64437417 then just repeat it without knowing what it means? Beyond CFD not being able to simulate every single atom, all commercial and military jet engines in the US still need to go through testing at Arnold regardless because you cannot predict if the real thing will blow up or not.

>>64441226
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_number

you dimwit.

>>64441197
>I'm sure you needed this stuff in the 1950s
No, what Turkey is doing is literally 1910s era techniques like using Pikes Peak as an altitude test area to validate turbosupercharger technology on the Liberty engine.
https://www.geaerospace.com/news/articles/we-are-go-ge-aerospace-will-build-legacy-invention
>where computers and CFD simulations were very primitive.
They still are in terms of supersonic fluid dynamics in a multistage axial flow turbine engine. Especially for Turkey that doesn't have multi-decades of proprietary CFD simulation algorithms, custom tweaked software, and real word flight data to validate and tune said simulation algorithms like GE, P&W, and RR does. Even then, those industry-leading firms still use altitude chambers like the Arnold Engineering Development Complex (AEDC) in the Engine Test Facility (ETF). Why are you turkroaches so ignorant, yet overconfident?
https://www.arnold.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/409287/engine-test-facility/

>>64441230
So, you had to look it up and just learned about Reynolds numbers, on Wiki of all places, so, you're now an obvious expert with your 3 minutes of education? Again, why are you turkroaches so ignorant, yet overconfident? I assume it's because of your low IQs making you too stupid to realize you're not an intelligent as you think you are.

>>64441264
You are truly concerned about Turkish aviation projects. That's good. You should be worried even more. Your posting of disabled Syrian people that visit Turkish military outposts in Syria won't make you right. As a believer of creating force and divine justice, making fun with the disabled people will cause that your children will be disabled as well.

I won't disclose my background here and how i use and be f Reynolds number (i didn't even read your previous shitpost above)

We have a saying in Turkish; dog barks, caravan marches on. You are nothing but a barking dog with flea.

>>64441168
>TEI's aviation engines can be tested at high altitude in Eastern Anatolia with the new mobile unit.
>mobile unit
Is this a 3rd world equivalent of Arnold facility?

>>64441293
If you had a second of engineering background you would know everything you posted in this thread regarding timelines is pure delusion. But you don't, because you're a larping turkroach.

>>64441293
>making fun with the disabled people will cause that your children will be disabled as well.
IS that what happened to you? Your parents made fun of the retarded neighbor's inbred mutant, and you came out just like them?

>>64441311
>>64441322
>>64441346

dogs bark, caravan marches on.

>>64441356
>dogs bark, caravan marches on.
Post your skin gypsy

>>64441356
cat meows, caveman scratches his nuts.

>>64441376
expected behavior from a Russian subhuman

>>64441377
There are many roaches(azerbaijanis) living in Russia.

>>64441388
>azerbaijani
>wearing stuff that has "russia" written on it

lol, lmao even

>>64441388
there are many subhumans live in Russia. It's nation of subhumans

>>64441377
>drinking, being a drunk faggot, and pissing on a public street in the middle of the day is fine
Why are you inbred shitskins such degenerates?

>>64441405
>drinking
>being a drunk faggot before afternoon
>pissing on public street
>wearing "russia" stuff

you just counted all signs of being a russian

Now let's see greek advancements in the defence industry.

>>64441637
>greek advancements in the defence industry.
no such a thing. Turkey is not competing with Greece anyways, there are like 6 countries that can originally build jet engines for modern fighters, Turkey is about to be seventh in that list, which makes /k/ seethe, this thread being prime example of this seething.

>>64441870
>no such a thing. Turkey is not competing with Greece anyways, there are like 6 countries that can originally build jet engines for modern fighters, Turkey is about to be seventh in that list, which makes /k/ seethe, this thread being prime example of this seething.

>>64441975
Can you rub those 3 little neurons of yours together to come up with an obvious explanation instead of posting like a butthurt pajeet?

>americans trying to undermine the basic technological competence of NATO allies
Curios isn't it. It makes you think.

Retardation aside, is there an official roadmap of TEI/TAI themselves? because between having a 'definite' and tested engine and fielding it there's a gap of years. As I said in the FP >>64437404, "internet dates" aren't official or beneficial for the development

>>64437367 (OP)
KAAAAAAAAAAAN

>>64442184
It would be fine if the OP wasn't so delusional about timeframes and didn't use such a retarded picture for OP

>>64442200
>It's ok behave like a fucking imbecile for 50 posts because I don't like the OP pic
Just hide the thread nigga, lmao even.

>>64442205
>he thinks it's just one anon
meds

>>64442216
>he thinks my post is a PM

>>64441293
I don't believe anything your ilk says because I know how brazen liars turks are, expecially with Europeans.
Being receptive and polite with you makes you think you are dealing with a gullible idiot who deserves to scammed, and you eagerly scam.

>>64442834
poor europeans. they have always been poor victims.

>>64441993
>Can you rub those 3 little neurons of yours together to come up with an obvious explanation instead of posting like a butthurt pajeet?

>>64437367 (OP)
KF-21 bros... tell me it ain't so