Thread 64440093

discuss manual actions guns

>>64440093 (OP)
WHERE IS FALLING BLOCK.
FUCKING NORMIES.

>>64440093 (OP)
I like pump action shotguns.

I want a model 70 featherweight, but is 22” too short for .30-06?

>>64440102
But are you ready to like pump action rifles?

>>64440102
>I like to jerk off my gun
ok buddy. you need to go back to >>>/lgbt/

>>64440117
perhaps
>>64440119
fuck ya
mudda

>>64440119
there's nothing gay about wanting to pump a big hard rod pointed at another man and to blow your shot and wad into him while he wears nothing but that little apron you got him for christmas and calls you a fag. you're literally just projecting

>>64440119
top off reloading negates gay schlong-racking
HOWEVER YOU FUCKING BOX FED NIGGERS HAVE ALOT TO ANSWER FOR, FAGGOTS.

lever actions hurt my frail hands
i find regular bolt actions and break actions slow and cumbersome.
I have a soft spot for breechblocks because of western movies and video games like Quigley Down Under, Gun (2005 video game), and RDR2 but I find them slow and cumbersome as well.
I've developed an appreciation for straight pull bolts. The beretta is the fastest and least cumbersome in my humble opinion.

Installed a Skinner Peep sight on my 1895. Had some trouble removing the buckhorns from the dovetail, then I realized I'm an idiot and forgot to remove the ladder first. Went swimmingly after I took it out.

>>64440093 (OP)
>missing falling block
>missing straight
Seriously? I know it's not that popular in the US and I like bolt but there's plenty of real neat foreign guns that are falling block or straight action that I wish we could freely buy here too. There's a /k/ommando (dunno if he's still around) who had one of these beauties and enjoyed it.

>>64441129
>that I wish we could freely buy here too
Which can't you buy in the US?

>>64440093 (OP)
There’s no such thing as a pump action rifle

>>64441225
Are you being retarded on purpose?

>>64440093 (OP)
instead of break action put breach load and then this is correct

>>64441225
I will take a picture of the one I'm selling at work in about 45 minutes

>>64441282
he might be trying to be some kind of mega nerd
>aksually, they're called "slide action" when they're rifles

I feel we should just call a retard a retard.

>>64440093 (OP)
Rotary action demands to be remembered….

I love slapping open this thing's straight bolt handle with my palm and slamming it back into battery with rapidity. Just tickles my brain

>>64441225
>>64441328
Behold 22 pump action

>>64440093 (OP)
As much as I might love the efficiency of break-action designs, something in my spirit calls to falling blocks.

>>64441475
Air rifles don't count

>>64441591
retard????

Did lever action have a chance or was it always going to be a footnote in firearms history?

>>64441726
if you view lever action as a manual form of toggle lock, then its still relevant kinda

>>64441225
Post gun right fucking now

I want a tube fed pump action in .30-30 and .45-70. In fact, I also want it in bolt action, too. With the revolver cartridges as well. Fuck, I just want more neat, diverse manual actions.

>>64441225
plz lurk 2 years b4 poasting newfag cancer

>>64441591
You are retarded aren't you

>>64441929
>I just want more neat, diverse manual actions
Are you sure? Do you really want to open Pandora's box of weirdness?
Vid related.
https://youtu.be/EX_Gq5QO-JI

>>64441220
>Which can't you buy in the US?
It's not that it's somehow illegal or something, but there's a lot of bullshit protectionist measures in place that make it significantly more expensive and irritating to import guns from abroad that you could just walk into a store and walk out with 5 minutes later if it was domestic. Not the rest of the world's fault just more federal crap but it doesn't get much attention from the usual organizations because it's (not unfairly I guess) perceived as more purely discretionary/luxury.

Manual actions in general sometimes will be at a slight advantage there actually, because while it doesn't change some bits at least you never have to worry about whether the ATF will argue against their "sporting use". But unless some importer decides it'll be popular enough to justify getting a big lot of them themselves importing isn't as easy as just ordering online to whatever rando nearest FFL you have is.

>>64441726
>Did lever action have a chance or was it always going to be a footnote in firearms history?
Always going to be a footnote, though a super cool foot note. But it's just fundamentally inferior to bolts for using prone (pretty darn important for military usage) and simplicity (important to everyone in terms of both cost and maintenance). So as soon as bolts got decent mass production inevitably went to them which improved them even faster and after that it's autos and that's all she wrote. Nothing wrong with continuing to like 'em though.

>>64442289
Yes.

>>64440102
bolt and pump is very satisfying

>>64442322
How about a non-symetrical bullpup pump-action hunting rifle where pistol grip serves as the pump handle? (trigger itself is stationary, there's a hole for it in the front of the trigger guard)
The bolt is only about an inch long, it's held by the conventional pump-action action bars, but instead of rotating or tilting, it rises vertically to lock into recesses in the top of the barrel extension.

>>64442322
A bullpup, Falling-block rifle whose stock serves as its "lever".

Darne slide action. Normally found in shotguns rather than rifles, but it's a thing.

>>64442378
>>64442435

neat

Calisher and Terry breech-loading percussion carbine

>>64442526
forgot pic like a tard

>>64442378
>>64442435
So fucking cool, and that pump action system looks fun as hell to use. What do they chamber it in? Is there some custom magazine (that thing in the back?) or what?

>>64442676
>What do they chamber it in? Is there some custom magazine (that thing in the back?) or what?
Yes, that's the mag. Standard capacity was 5 round, plus or minus or a round or so depending on cartridge choice.
They were available built for a bunch of different cartridges. The actions are built to take full length cartridges like 8mm Mauser and .30-06Spr, so any round that length or shorter would fit.
They were offered from the factory in a handful of different full length, and slightly shorter, full power cartridges. Production was at a very limited scale, so they did take custom orders.
If you wanted one chambered for something like .270 win, .243Fudd, .25-06 , 6.5Swede, or 7mm Mauser, they would have built a rifle like that for you.

I believe they also did make some built for even longer cartridges, primarily because cops asked for .300WM rifles.
So if you wanted one in .375H&H or .458Lott, they could have built one too.

>>64442704
Neat, though from the sound of it not made anymore? That's too bad. Makes sense I guess at that level you could just pick and choose, a lot of custom ones are like that. From a quick search looks like it weighed around 9 lbs, maybe a touch less? So should be perfectly reasonable with a beefier cartridge, not a shoulder masher. My favorite 300wm prs bolt is about that naked, and is no problem at all, would be fine even with 338. Though if it's hard to rebarrel now I'd probably lean towards getting a longer life cartridge to stretch that.

>>64440100
Falling block is a lever action.

>>64440107
No. 06 and even 270 do fine out of 22". The loss is pretty minimal and as a hunter you won't notice the loss inside 200 yard shots.

>>64443179
NO IT'S FUCKING NOT.

>>64440093 (OP)
>missing trigger
>inconsistent artstyle: different triggers, shading, arrows
aislop use is a mental illness. If only guns existed and we had pictures of them

>>64443276
literally uses a lever

>>64440119
How can you say you love your raifu if you won't even give her a reach around?

>>64443342
Uh, a more basic issue anon is that it says "5 types" and there are only 4 lol. I honestly figured OP was just purposefully being silly with something so obvious.

>>64440093 (OP)
Who taught you how to count?

>>64443593
NORMIE NOGUNZ

>>64443734
i have a martini-henry tho

>>64443621
I noticed, but then realized OP cropped an aislop image which had the 5th panel

>>64443914
Not all Falling block actions are lever actuated.

>>64441403
self reflection dox

>>64443593
>literally uses a lever
So by that logic a bolt-action is also a lever-action because the bolt handle acts as a lever?

>>64443914
That's a "peabody" action, not a falling block you moron. Notice that the breech block rotates rather than slides.

>>64441726
It would have been even more of a footnote if it didn't play a role in a nostalgic time period in american history. Because if you look at modern manual rifles in markets that don't have that nostalgia factor they're either bolt action (dead simple, strong, reliable) or either pump or straight pull (which are basically the same just with different handle locations) for speed in driven hunts.

>>64444812
the reason why you see so many pump-actions rifles is because the alternatives are banned by law in many countries, making them a workaround.

>>64444797
Falling block and lever action are both lever actions. The difference being you are the feed mechanism in the falling block. Perhaps you think falling block and rolling block are the same thing....

>>64444832
You forgot to answer the question posed to you.

>Perhaps you think falling block and rolling block are the same thing....
I do not. Since you asked, I think the term "Falling block" is unacceptably vague, and people should avoid using it. There are many types of falling blocks and they do not work the same way. I think people should specify which action they are talking about, i.e. Sharps, Farquarson, Deely-Edge, etc.

But we digress. I'm more interested in your earlier statement that "if it uses a lever it's a lever-action". Doesn't that mean a bolt-action is a lever-action, according to that definition?

>>64444798
peabody is falling block, queer

>>64442378
I really wish there were more of a market for manual bullpups, I would love to have a super short suppressed pump action .300 blackout and a looooong barreled rifle in .300 win mag or .22-250 thats not impractical to shoulder because of the bullpup layout.

>>64444830
Thats my point, if you're legally limited to manual action and you care about speed then pump or straight pull is the optimal solution, lever action doesn't really offer any advanges in that case

>>64441225
remington literally made a million of these

>>64444876
>if you're legally limited to manual action
I meant that in some places lever-actions are banned by name, while other types of manual actions are allowed. In other places pump-actions are banned while others are allowed.

>peed then pump or straight pull is the optimal solution
Neither of those are optimal. Pump-action rifles are widely panned because they have weak primary extraction. That is why the vast majority of pump actions are either rimfire or shotguns--those are low pressure cartridges which don't require much extraction effort. A double rifle or combination gun (drilling) is the optimum tool for Euro style driven hunts. The straight-pull bolt actions like Blaser aren't bad guns at all, but people aren't buying them because they're the best tool for the job, they're buying them because either:
a) the have a hardon for bolt-actions and want the most modern one specifically
or
b) they can't afford a double

>>64441929
rechamber a model 14 in 30 remington to 30-30
i read theyre almost the same cartridge save for rimmed vs rimless

>>64444840
No as a lever action has been used since the dawn of time to mean a lever that is part of, in front of or generally very close to the trigger and/or gaurd on the bottom of a rifle.

>>64444930
so this is a lever action then

>>64444930
so like this?

>>64444933
Im sorry you are retarded. You realize the falling block action IS what the lever action evolved from right? They are two points in direct succession on the firearms evolutionary tree.
The argument you are trying to make is retarded and childish, it comes from a place of ignorance and stupidity at the same time and I will not entertain it.

>>64444919
That’s a shotgun bro

>>64444945
>i dont know how guns work
how is this in any way related to a falling block

>>64444950
i know you're trolling, but it's a rifle, chambered for rifle cartridges

>>64444945
>the falling block
What do you mean "the"? which one are you talking about?

>>64444959
>>this
In general the falling block action was "reversed", to make the lever action. While in a falling block you place the cartridge in by hand and then the block is raised, in a lever action the (in general there are different variations) block raises to bring the cartridge from the tube magazine to the level of the barrel, then the addition of a bolt does the job of feeding. Of course the block over time became a feed arm or "lifter" if you will but in a very general sense that is how the lever action falling block became the lever action repeating rifle.
Now go fuck you cousin or whatever you people do to cope.

>>64444978
>the lifter in a lever action is the same as the breechblock in a falling block because uhh its shaped like a block and uhh moves up and down yeah
stop while you're behind dude

>>64444987
When you eventually get over your bias and Dunning-Kruger bullshit and realize that I am in fact correct it will be far too late for you as you will already have one foot in the grave.
A lever action falling block just had a hinging mechanism and bolt added to make the repeating rifle. The block on the lever, up down up down, was reversed to feed bullets. A bolt was added that moved straight back out of the way of the block. Its a pretty simple concept but obviously you are so stupid you don't realize it.
Literally just a falling block action reversed with an extra hinge mechanism added to the lever to move the bolt.
Soooooo you are dumb. You do know that right?

>>The falling block rifles were an early single shot lever action, opening and closing the breechblock for loading and removing a single round from a gun. Later rifles would use the lever action as a way to cycle the receiver as well as pull a cartridge from the gun’s magazine into the chamber while ejecting one that has already been fired.
https://www.rockislandauction.com/riac-blog/falling-block-rifle-an-early-lever-action

>>64440093 (OP)
Eurohunter here. I wanna get a lever action so I can larp as a cowboy.

What's the most fitting calibers to have it in?

>>64445042
45-70, 30-30, 44 magnum, 357 magnum If you are gay or a woman.

>>64445042
30-30 is the standard
Unless you want 45-70

>>64445043
cursed

>>64445042
>cowboy
.44-40.

>>64445182
.30-30 is the standard boomer durr gun, it was much too late on the market to be a cowboy thing.

>>64445037
this rando is supposed to be an authority because . . .
also the volcanic predates every rifle mentioned in that article so you might as well argue that the falling block was inspired by the lever action repeater

>>64445764
>>everyone that disagrees with me and thats everyone is wrong because nobody can be an authority or correct on the subject because I made my mind up without fact or experience so im right

Go fuck yourself tard, the lever action repeating rifle is the direct evolution from the lever action falling block. Its not debatable, its a fact. And your fumbling around like a dim wit monkey trying to fuck the greased up Dunning-Kruger football you have been saddled with is comical if not extremely sad.
>>this break action has a lever on the side gotcha it must be a lever action...
Fucking holy god damn shit balls are you fucking retarded

>>64445764
Lemme guess, you are the same faggot claiming you ran a course with shotguns and the known pumps all failed and the notorious semi jam factories all performed flawlessly.
Why don't you go jerk off to John wick or something zoomer spaz dipshit?

>>64445779
>Its not debatable
It's entirely debatable because it's bullshit. There is nothing mechanically in common between any of the early lever-action rifles and any of the various falling-blocks, other than the presence of "a lever", which is fucking meaningless. The first Lever-actions made in America were revolver carbines. Most early American lever action rifles like the Colt-Burgess, Henry, and Spencer have little in common with a falling block.

>>64445033
>A bolt was added that moved straight back out of the way of the block
That's a whole different thing anon, obviously yuo're too stupid you don't realize it.

>Literally just a falling block action reversed with an extra hinge mechanism added to the lever to move the bolt.
No. No. no no. The falling block no longer holds pressure. Now the toggle-lock is holding pressure instead. It's a *completely* different mechanism.

Noguns poorfag thinking of investing in a single shot for hunting. I like the idea of .38/.357 due to the versatility. Could take medium game with .357 and small with .38 (plus plink without burning my wallet since I'm so broke). Thinking if I get enough to eat with it I could afford a .38 revolver as a cc to go with it, or get a can to make it more comfy.
I just don't know shit about which models are shit and which are good.

>>64445804
>>64445811
You cannot teach stupid.

>>64444966
30 06 sperg

Do DA revolvers count as manual action?

>>64444830
>the reason why you see so many pump-actions rifles is because the alternatives are banned by law in many countries, making them a workaround.
nta but yeah, both straight and pump are significantly more complex then bolt and the motivation to develop them so much further in europe was heavily driven by legal restrictions on normal gas operated stuff. But at the same time any manual still has some advantages (I mean, aside from the subjective enjoyment factor). Like for those of us who really enjoy suppression, being able to completely ignore all can pressure issues with zero gas face ever is nice. Or for precision shooting any manual is still just less variables (not that gas operated guns can't be highly accurate, but there's more tuning to be done).

>>64441726
It’s a footnote in military history definitely. But they’re still beloved and kept around to this day in civilian hands due to sheer gunrisma alone, despite their obsolescence. Gun laws help, as horrible as that is to type out.

>>64445042
22lr

>>64440264
I have been blessed with the handling of almost all the modern straight pulls and I can honestly say they all have their little quirks. The BRX1 and the Blaser are the two to own if you are looking for great hunting rifles. The K31 is an awesome rifle and should be owned. remember it is a service rifle so run the bolt hard and fast and it will give you no troubles, but pussy foot around and find out she doesn't like that shit. The Savage Impulse I owned was a piece of shit. Day one I found out the ergo's were shit. I had to put my MK4 scope as far back on the pic rail I had to trim the front just so the bell would clear and not hit the mount. Then when I went to the range first shot was met with an out of spec extractor and wouldn't remove the shell. Then after fixing that, no help from Savage, I realized she wouldn't group. I bought and tried every single box ammo available. I checked everything and even reloaded ammo only to get 2 inch groups out of this gun I offloaded her as soon as heavenly possible.

>>64447427
echoes what I've heard. I really wanted the impulse but every single person I know who owns one hates it and has recommended trying the BRX instead

>>64447565
I really wanted this gun to work. I tried everything to make it my main hunting weapon. I did everything to make this weapon work with minor improvements at best. The BRX 1 just works, sub moa, comfortable, strong, stable, reliable, light enough, adjustable, and upgradeable. The only thing that needs work is the trigger, not sure it is supposed to be a two stage trigger but I can stage it most of the time which lets you know the issue. thinking of getting it worked on if I can't make it consistent.

>>64441475
$519 for that sears catalog gun holy jew

>>64445927
No.
They're considered double action.

>>64447942
Sorry you hate the free market so much commie.

>>64440093 (OP)
The krauts made a gun that's both a break-action rifle/shotgun, and a pump-action repeating rifle.
The top barrel is the break action, and it can be either a 12ga shotgun barrel or a rifle barrel chambered for full size or intermediate cartridges.
The bottom barrel is always a rifle barrel with an action built for full size cartridges.

These things are weird as fuck to handle, they just feel "wrong" in a way I can't really describe. Balance is all kinds of fucked too.

>>64449368
The standalone pump-action rifle called the "Impuls" is however genuinely really slick.

>>64449374
Holy sight radius. Would it have killed them to move the rear notch at least to the front of the magwell, or maybe just behind it?

>>64449420
This type of sights are called "express sights", and they're the norm on modern Euro hunting rifles.
They're not meant to be precise, they're meant to be fast.
Hence why they're placed closer to the muzzle since that helps speed up sight acquisition slightly.
Express sights been the standard for big-bore dangerous game rifles for like 150 year at this point (pic related), simply because they're very fast at the cost of precision.

The modern reasoning for using them as the standard base option, being that in this era of cheap and available optics, your average civilian hunter will be using optics for any hunting situation where shots beyond about 50 yards or so are expected.
Thus, the manufacturers reason that iron sights are more useful if they're optimized for rapid shots at close range.
Still, it's leagues above the average modern 'murrican durr rifles that don't have any iron sights at all.

>>64449687
Well I guess I learned something today. And yeah, American companies refusing to put any irons at all on their rifles for the most part drives me up the fuckin' wall.

>>64449699
>American companies refusing to put any irons at all on their rifles for the most part drives me up the fuckin' wall.
Weirdly, this isn't just a trend in among American manufacturers, it's a trend on the entire US market that even extends to foreign manufactures.
As far as I can tell, US fudds started having some kind of weird stigma against iron sights around the 1950s or 60s, where irons were considered old fashioned.
People were removing iron sights in favor of scopes, and ordering custom guns without irons.
It didn't take long for manufacturers to jump on the trend.
Now pretty much all the US manufactures do it, and euro-made guns meant specifically for the US market are manufactured without irons while the euro-market guns still have them.
Pic rel. If irons at even available, they're an optional extra, not standard as they are on the Euro models.

This roughly coincides with the Americans abandoning classic oil-finished stocks in favor of stocks coated with thick layers of awful synthetic varnish, something I personally loathe.

>>64441225
Kids these days, know nothing of history.
A pump action rifle helped pass the GCA of 1968.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_760

>>64441475
Somebody works at Range USA

>>64449699
get on the way of scopes, get a milsurp if you want irons

>>64449699
>And yeah, American companies refusing to put any irons at all on their rifles for the most part drives me up the fuckin' wall.
Why?
It's easy to add irons to any rifle. If you can't do it that's what a gunsmith is for. I prefer this method because you can pick the exact style of sight you want rather than being stuck with whatever the factory decided.

>>64449814
>This roughly coincides with the Americans abandoning classic oil-finished stocks in favor of stocks coated with thick layers of awful synthetic varnish, something I personally loathe.
that happened around WWII, and it happened to nearly everything made of wood. furniture, musical instruments, etc were affected too. Why? Money. Solvent-based lacquer dries in minutes. You can train any retard to apply it with a spray gun in seconds. Traditional hand-rubbed finishes take many hours of skilled labor spread over many days drying time to do correctly. Furthermore, the traditional methods are weather-sensitive. It fucking sucks, but it's easy to see why it happened. People want cheap.

>>64444978
>Of course the block over time became a feed arm or "lifter" if you will
No, that came first. The Kalthoff repeater had that mechanism more than two centuries before the falling block action was known.

>>64440100
>>64443179
>>64443276
Falling block is a locking mechanism, lever action is a cycling mechanism. The Spencer 1890 is a pump action falling block.

god I really want someone to resurrect that bullpump rifle. keltec are you listening!?

>>64441129
>from review
>The action
>It is at the breech end that things start to get really interesting, however. Sitting between the laminate stock and the brown rubber butt pad is the most compact rifle action you will ever see.
Lifting the curved and knurled tip of the discreet steel lever near the toe of the stock frees the butt-plate to pivot upwards via a hinge at the top. This reveals five ports in the forward section. The top port is the chamber, so simply slide in a cartridge and the rifle is loaded. Having done so, a small brass pin protrudes from the R/H side of the action, giving you a tactile loaded-chamber indicator. The bottom two ports are also for cartridges, holding them securely as a ready reserve in case a follow-up shot is required. All exquisitely neat. The real magic, however, happens in the middle. Here, a large rectangular port provides the anchor for the chunky 2-lug locking head mounted in the butt-plate, whose rotation is controlled by the aforementioned lever. The final port is for the striker bar.
>This port aligns with a stainless-steel nubbin set into the inner face of the butt-plate, above which a conventionally sized firing pin hole aligns with the breech. This nubbin is the lower part of a pivoting striker that when struck, drives the firing pin forward, setting off the cartridge. Importantly, the striker is immobilised unless the lever is fully locked, making it impossible for the rifle to fire out of battery. Finally, as you open the action, a hinged claw above the breech extracts the cartridge around ½” for easy removal. You wouldn’t think a single-shot, non-ejector rifle could be so interesting!
huh. kinda neat.

>>64440107
Get a 708 or 6.5 creed, they're pretty potent out of a 22 inch barrel. They kill with less energy than 3006

>>64449814
Yeah man - I started shooting/hunting in the 80's - I learned to shoot on my grandfather's M1 Garands and an Arisaka 38 beater (well, for a beater it shot straight and would go through hell and back! Still have it but the bore's starting to wearenough to affect accuracy/)

Shooting with a scope just feels like cheating - maybe if I were in the central states where things happen at longer ranges, but I am in the hills and woods of New England, so iron sights are perfect for the ranges I shoot my deer or bear.

I keep looking at new rifles that are affordable but feel solid like those old military rifles but it's hard to find anything with irons.

>>64460310
Eh, even at shorter NE ranges you can still get into PRS if you have the gumption to get out into logging areas, optic is still useful once you're trying to consistently do <0.5moa even at 500yd let alone 1000. And like other anons said it's not as if irons are a challenging after market edition.

For pure hunting yeah around here the vast super majority of stuff is <100yd, maybe reaching to 200yd once in awhile. All modern guns and optic combos are pretty fucking overkill, the real problem is people who don't learn any decent woodscraft or anatomy. But if you're producing a single or sub-moa rifle anyway (which for a manual is practically table stakes now when a used T3X in decent shape can be had for like $500), I think it makes sense to err on the side of letting someone use it for whatever they want.

>>64445779
>>64445804
Hey look, the Winchester 1886! A falling block lever action repeating rifle.
>>64444959
Now if you will stop pretending that all lever action rifles are toggle link guns,
>>64444978
and if you will stop pretending falling block guns only exist as single shot rifles, nothing will change really, I'm just happy to prove both of you autistic faggots wrong.