Thread 64441361

I recently learned that in the '80s and '90s there was a panic in Japan caused by an urban myth that people were being abducted by teams of North Koreans deployed by submarines, and taken back to North Korea. This was caused by random, inexplicable disappearances by people who had no known debts, suicidal tendencies, problems with their personal lives, and the pattern of people disappearing was completely random. This caused hysteria among the population about North Korean submarines, people being terrified to go to the beach near dusk, parents not letting their kids go to the beach alone, etc.

The Japanese government said it was nonsense. Just anti-Nork nonsense people were making up to try and explain why some people randomly disappeared. It was an fantastical story, the equivalent of Wal-Marts eating people because incidence of disappearances around Wal-Marts is statistically higher than most anywhere else in the US. Crazy bullshit made up by rumor peddlers, and people grieving over their loved ones disappearing.

Then in 2004 Kim Jong-Il suddenly apologized, completely unprompted, for the kidnappings of Japanese citizens from Japan by submarine and returned the few survivors they had back to Japan. The impact this revelation had on Japan is truly insane, but it's not /k/-related.

That said, is there any other event in military history that sounds as absurd as this shit, that no one believed because of how crazy it seemed, until suddenly it was proven to be true?

Weapons you say?

>urban myth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megumi_Yokota

Why is every single socialists like this

>>64441366
This is a military action, my man. You may as well claim we can't talk about hostage situations.

>>64441386
Fallacy of composition. Socialists make a valid point about how fucked capitalism is, so obviously everything else about them is also must be valid and couldn't do no wrong.

>>64441361 (OP)
>japs decide to convert a Yamato hull into an aircraft carrier named Shinano
>project takes years to figure out how to make an 800 ft long, 65,000 ton aircraft carrier work with ww2 technology
>in 1944 the Shinano is finally commissioned and launched on her first ever shakedown cruise, a simple run from Yokosuka down the coast to Kure
>enter submarine USS Archerfish, sailing right by the coast at the same time
>commanded by Cdr Joseph Enright, a timid, unassuming, wallflower of an officer who previously resigned command of his last sub for having a nervous breakdown on the conn, having scored approximately zero kills so far
>Enright can't identify the giant fucking ship in front of him so he sketches it out in his notebook then orders a full torpedo spread
>Shinano takes hits and sinks due to incomplete construction
>back at base, nobody believes Enright and his crew encountered an aircraft carrier that big
>Archerfish doesn't get credit for the kill until after the war, when IJN records are found confirming that yes, they did try to build a carrier that fucking huge
>oh shit.jpg
>Archerfish's record gets updated with the kill and immediately becomes the highest scoring sub by tonnage sunk of all time with only one kill
>Enright gets awarded the Navy Cross and becomes a war hero

>>64441361 (OP)
How did the urban myth even start? Someone must've known something.

>>64441361 (OP)
>that no one believed because of how crazy it seemed
Everybody believed that Norks were kidnapping people. It's not like the Japanese public actually trusted what the media told them.

>>64441361 (OP)
In Japan old some people think plastic bottles filled with water keeps cats away because they can’t handle the abstract shapes caused by the water shimmer

>>64441670
Holy shit, lmao. This is some, "We killed Nephilim in Afghanistan" shit.

>>64441369
No one asked you

>>64441670
absolutely blessed

>>64441670
did they not have a way to take photographs through the periscope?

>>64441815
binoculars on the surface is better than 'scope; they dove just before shooting.
also it was dark; poor light conditions for film.

>>64441815
They did (see pic rel) however in addition to >>64442619 points, there was also the fact that Shinano sank circa 3 hours afterward and the fact that keeping the periscope up long enough would increase the risk of counter-detection from the escorts.
Per the wiki for Shinano, she had apparently already detected a radar sweep from Archerfish, but thought she was operating as part of a pack and acting as a decoy of sorts

>>64441757
Funny thing, I think I may be responsible for that urban legend. Some time in the '00s, in the early days of /k/, I came across some kind of mystery/cryptid thread and was bored so I decided to write a story about encountering mysterious creatures in the mountains of Afghanistan, heavily influenced by real (non-/x/) stories I'd read from other people here so it sounded pretty authentic. The giant/Nephillim thing wasn't in it, my descriptions were much more vague IIRC, but it was the first Afghanistan military horror story I'd ever seen and the modern versions may have spawned from it.

>>64441736
Old people in the rural US do something similar, except they use plastic bags of water and believe this repels flies. Sometimes they put shiny objects like coins or or foil in the bag too.

>>64441736
Here in South Africa the bottles filled with water were too ward off dogs from shitting on your lawn. I have not seen this being done recently, maybe all those old people have all died out.

>>64441687

Government likely had some idea it was true and there was a leaker. Lot of times that's how it happens.

>>64441670
>>Archerfish's record gets updated with the kill and immediately becomes the highest scoring sub by tonnage sunk of all time with only one kill
Why are you just flat out lying?

>>64441361 (OP)
it wasn't an urban myth, they did in fact kidnap people from South Korea and Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens

>>64443178
Retard

>>64441361 (OP)
>Later, North Korea allowed the five victims that it said were alive to return to Japan, on the condition that they return later to North Korea.
>However, the Japanese Government, listening to the pleas of the general public and the abductees' families, told North Korea that the victims would not be returning. North Korea claimed that this was a violation of the agreement and refused to continue further talks.
kek

>>64443273
>"hey so we grabbed you off the beach at night and took you away from everything and everyone you ever loved for years because we needed Japanese teachers for our spy goons/dear leader wanted sushi or whatever, you can go home now but you have to come back"
>goes home
>doesn't come back
>how dare you
Honestly have a hard time understanding how a country can turn out as unimaginably fucked up as North Korea without even having the excuse of being steeped in some backwards archaic religion to handwave the insanity away

>>64441361 (OP)
>I recently learned that in the '80s and '90s there was a panic in Japan caused by an urban myth
Not an urban myth
Many Japanese were kidnapped and taken to north korea.

WARNING THIS IS A INSOFRMATION THERAD BY OUR RESIDENT SHILL FROM PONGYANG BASED IN THE US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens

"In the 1970s, a number of Japanese citizens disappeared from coastal areas in Japan. The people who had disappeared were average Japanese people who were opportunistically abducted by operatives lying in wait. Although North Korean agents were suspected, the opinion that North Korea had nothing to do with the disappearances was widely held. Most of the missing were in their 20s; the youngest, Megumi Yokota, was 13[7] when she disappeared in November 1977, from the Japanese west coast city of Niigata.

Some of the victims were abducted to teach Japanese language and culture at North Korean spy schools. Older victims were also abducted for the purpose of obtaining their identities"

"Abductions of Japanese citizens from Japan by agents of the North Korean government took place during a period of six years from 1977 to 1983.Although only 17 Japanese citizens (eight men and nine women) are officially recognized by the Japanese government as having been abducted, there may have been hundreds of others."

>2005, Iraq
>Two SAS members, undercover, were watching an Iraqi police commander who was suspected of being part of the brutal Mahdi Army, a Shia militia organization supported by Iran
>They finish their mission and go to leave but are stopped by two plain clothes Iraqi police officers
>A scuffle starts and the SAS guys have to fire their weapons to escape
>As they escape in disguise in a taxi, they end up hitting a police checkpoint and decide to just explain the situation instead of trying to sneak through
>They are instead arrested, taking to the police station and beaten, tortured and put through mock executions
>SAS commanders ask for authorization to rescue these members but due to the political situation in Iraq, are denied, due to fragile webs of cooperation in post-liberated Iraq
>Instead of accepting this, SAS commanders went to get reinforcements to go and rescue them
>Gets a phone call specifically ordering him to stand down and not rescue them
>Rejecting the order, the commander gathered 20 SAS members from A Squadron and 40 members of Special Forces Support Group and planned an attack
>Fearing a shitstorm happening, British generals send a mechanized infantry platoon to try and negotiate the release of the hostages before the SAS get there, they are denied and attacked by crowds instead
>SAS arrive and attack the police station only to find the SAS hostages have been moved already
>They plan an ad-hoc assault on the way to the new location
>They perform a perfect multi-entry assault on the new compound and end up finding the SAS hostages chained and beaten in a bathroom
>Post action the SAS members involved all threatened to walk if the government didn't give post-action authorization to the mission
>The government caves and gives it the greenlight, post-dated

>>64441361 (OP)
FUCKING KYS YOU CUNT YOU SHOULD BE DEPORTED

>>64441361 (OP)
>The Japanese government said it was nonsense.
LIAR
"We have thoroughly investigated this matter. Decades of adversarial relations between our two countries provided the background of this incident. It was, nevertheless, an appalling incident. It is my understanding that this incident was initiated by special-mission organizations in the nineteen-seventies and eighties, driven by blindly motivated patriotism and misguided heroism.... As soon as their scheme and deeds were brought to my attention, those who were responsible were punished.... I would like to take this opportunity to apologize straightforwardly for the regrettable conduct of those people. I will not allow that to happen again."

—Kim Jong Il, apologizing for the abductions[

>>64441361 (OP)
>The Japanese government said it was nonsense.
LIAR
The North Korean government continues to claim that there were only 13 abductees and that the issue has been resolved with the return of the five victims. However, the Japanese government claims that the issue has not been properly resolved and that all evidence provided by North Korea is forged.

By May 2004, five abductee victims and their families (10 in total) returned from North Korea. However, a number of alleged victims are still missing. Although then Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda commented on December 24, 2004, that "unless honest measures are taken swiftly, we cannot help but impose strict measures", hinting at possible sanctions.[

>>64441361 (OP)
YOU ARE AN ENEMY TO THE USA AND SHOULD BE INTERNED OR DEPORTED NORKTARD. LIAR. SCUMBAG.

>>64441361 (OP)
>Just anti-Nork nonsense people were making up to try and explain why some people randomly disappeared.
>>64441361 (OP)
>The Japanese government said it was nonsense.
Seventeen nationals are officially recognized by the Japanese government as victims of the abduction issue. The sixteenth, Minoru Tanaka, was added to the list on April 27, 2005, following discovery of evidence supporting the assertion that he was abducted. The seventeenth victim, Kyoko Matsumoto, was added to the list in November 2006.

>>64443344
>>64443357
>>64443363
>>64443376
Schizo or just an ADHD retard that can't read an entire post?

>>64443161
How is it a lie? That was the largest single target sunk by tonnage by any submarine. Other subs had both more tonnage and far more kills, but in that one case? It was the biggest single target ever sunk by tonnage.

>>64441815
No, they couldn't turn the flash off without alerting the enemy

>>64441361 (OP)
>incidence of disappearances around Wal-Marts is statistically higher than most anywhere else in the US
This is because trash people keep killing their kids and trash people love being around shartmarts.

>oh shit, she's not breathing!
>we'll bury her in the backyard and say she went missing at Walmart
>brilliant idea Cletus, I'll grab the keys to the '98 Suburban!

When it happens to a middle class family they take an unplanned vacation to the national parks and say they went missing there. It actually happens disturbingly often. Stop killing your fucking kids you freaks.

>>64442967
I get all that. Mostly just interested in why on earth wouldnt you take a pic if you possibly could.
But even a pic of the thing before sinking would have gone a long way to explaining the "big fish story".
"Hey look at this picture of a giant retarded thing I sank" is a way easier sell than "I sank a giant retarded thing, trust me guise"
But i mean, also make sure you get it instead of going paparazzi mode and fucking up and letting the thing get away...
>>64443675
God damn Japanese upskirt camera laws.

>>64443720
reminds me of a few years ago when that girl went missing and the boyfriend just randomly drove back home but everyone knew he did it, but he wouldn't say anything until they found her. So they went searching but while they were searching they also found about 20 other bodies while searching the national parks before they even found her.

>>64443720
>>64441361 (OP)
I am noticing this thread.

>>64442998
>>64443720
On the US East Coast there are roughly 40-50 active serial killers who are truck drivers, this is determined by the FBI who track their methods and how they dump their victims. Most of their victims are prostitutes and the killers are impossible to track as they often use drug overdoses to cover their crimes as well as their high mobility. I just told everyone reading this thread that all they need to do to become a serial killer is to get a CDL.

>>64443769
I just told you what happened to her.

>>64443319
>without even having the excuse of being steeped in some backwards archaic religion to handwave the insanity away
anon what do you think marxism is?

>>64442999
This is indeed a meme.

Citronella plants are no joke though. Not foolproof, but much better than anything else I've ever seen suggested.

>>64443347
This sounds fucking based. You got sauce on this story?

>>64443720
70% of the US population lives within 5 miles of a Wal-Mart.

>>64443915
I live 26 miles from a paved road.

>>64443352
:(

>>64443941
i live in the center of the highest density 100km circle in the us

>>64443960
In that case I'm damn sure which one of us is more likely to be hit with a atomic weapon and it sure as hell isn't me.

>>64443960
You should buy a cabin in rural Maine, a fall back place isn't a bad thing to have.

>>64443178
>>64441369
do people just read the first sentence of a post then furiously type a reply? how fucking retarded are you?

>>64441361 (OP)
Welp, one more reason never to go to Wal Mart I guess

>>64441361 (OP)
In the somewhat near future when it's confirmed that a cheeky skunk works employee teased the existence of whatever UFO they use for strategic recon on xitter

>>64441369
Sorry my fishing boat crew was mighty hungry

>>64443760
Cameras weren't cheap back then

>>64441361 (OP)
Also Koreans and also involving kidnapping people in Japan, but this time an exiled South Korean politician.
>Be Kim in 1970s
>Not a fan of the whole military dictatorship thing under Park
>In typical Korean fashion, think the dictatorship is Japan's fault and Koreans are never responsible for the state of their country
>Because of this decide to run for president on a platform that is anti-Park, and tough on Japan
>Win just enough of the vote that Park starts to sweat
>Some random incoming truck just coincidentally swerves at your car a few days after the election
>Decide you need to get the fuck out of South Korea and realize the only place that can reasonably protect you is Japan of all places
>While in Japan, the Korean CIA kidnap you from your hotel room, put you on a boat, and are seconds from putting a bullet in your head
>Suddenly the boat is illuminated by a light
>It's a Japanese patrol plane and the JCG are right behind it.
>Saved within literal seconds of being killed
>Call the Japanese angels sent by God himself
>This is all completely buried in South Korea and the public never got more than surface details
>Later become president and still keep a stick in your ass approach towards Japan after they let you stay in exile and saved you from execution
>South Korea never formally apologizes for conducting black raids on Japanese soil and barely even acknowledges that it happened
The more you learned about 1950s-1990s SK, the more I realize their word means nothing. They will complain about nips never apologizing for WW2, then you learn that 20 years later the ROKA did 6 Mai-Lai level massacres in Vietnam and never apologized. They complain about internment by the nips, but then you learn they had literal concentration camps until the 1980s. They complain about comfort women being kidnapped and sent to work in brothels abroad, then you learn about "Brothers House" where 200,000 Korean girls were sex trafficked by the Korean government until 1988

>>64443760
>if you possibly could.
It was 1944, a good 8 decades before everyone ran around with smart phones.

>>64443788
>anon what do you think marxism is?
Norks are more feudal Joseon than Marxist.
It's arguably even more fucked up.

>>64444246
I've mentioned the KCIA's activities to young Sorks before and they always think I'm just making it up. Even the Japs now let them pretend that the whole thing never happened.
The Sorks have had a successful rebrand, like Japan, but they were likewise complete CUNTS.

>>64443788
jej but >>64444246 makes me wonder if it isn't more of a korean/east asian issue.

>>64444000
So it would seem, so it would seem.

>>64441361 (OP)
>d, is there any other event in military history that sounds as absurd as this shit, that no one believed because of how crazy it seemed, until suddenly it was proven to be true?
Unit 684, the South Korean Dirty Dozen. They literally gathered criminals and wanted to train them as the disposable specops for operations in the North. After the complete failure of Dirlewanger Brigade as a military unit, they thought that it's a great idea.

>>64443319
>being steeped in some backwards archaic religion to handwave the insanity away
Didn't they make that up to legitimize the regime? Jucche or something?

>>64443586
I think the fault lies with ops writing style.

>>64445030
Apologize and STFU, schizo.

>North korea was kidnapping japanese to eat them
Kek

>>64441361 (OP)
On the morning of the attack on Pearl Harbor, Capt Gordon Blake was the operations officer on duty at the Hickam Airbase control tower was meeting up with an old friend before work, and got knocked unconscious when the bombs fell. When he woke up, there was a large Hawaiian man standing over him wearing nothing but riding chaps, who helped him up. When Blake exclaimed that he needed to get back to the control tower, the Hawaiian guy threw him over his shoulder and drove down the runway, dodging Japanese fire. The Hawaiian guy was never seen again during the attack, and when Blake told his story, everyone assumed that he was heavily concussed and hallucinating.
As it turned out, the base motor pool was hosting a car show that morning and invited civilians from town in. When the attack started, everyone drove off to help the wounded in their fancy cars and bikes.

>>64444157
>>64444257
film cameras had existed for over 100 years at that point. They were cheap enough for middle class families to have one. Picrel was literally issued to certain GIs.

>>64443633
nta I don't think you phrased it properly in your first post.

>>64445030
nah the tard just can't read.

>>64442999
The old guy across the street from me does this to keep dogs from shitting on his lawn. It doesn't work. Then again, I put cayenne pepper on my lawn and the dogs shit all over it too, so it might just be that the dogs are something else out here.

>>64444246
I'm starting to thing this is a universal slant thing.
>Nanjing? Never heard of it.
>Nothing happened in Tianamen Square on June 3 1989.
And now this.

>>64441361 (OP)
Why the Norks never got kicked to death before they acquired nukes is beyond me.

>>64447780
Someone should have thought about that before they gave the Chinese cannons, MLRS and invented Iron Clads before everyone else then played Mao and Stalin like fiddles.

Seems like a skill issue desu.

>>64444246
>Allegiance
>Manchukuo
>empire of Japan
why was he ever kept in the Korean military after that?

>>64451063
Why is half of the Yakuza, the most nationalist crime group on earth defacto norks? Asians are weird.

>>64445030
Dem white pipo make stuff to hard to read

>>64451063
Idk how to tell you this, but like 90% of the ROKA officer corps in the Korean War were ex-IJA officer loyalists because they were the only ones who knew how to fight. The ROKMC was founded based on IJN SNLF doctrine and the early Marines opted to speak Japanese instead of Korean as an internal cultural thing. I also think Japan's anti-communism in WW2 is severely understated and surpasses Germany's. Post-war, a lot of ex-IJA/IJN guys fought alongside countries they occupied just for the chance to destroy communist groups like in the Dutch Indies. If South Korea got rid of them, then there would be no South Korea today. South Korea during WW2 was where all the wealthy families were and the southern peninsula only saw a single bombing raid the entire war. The wealthy families that lived there could afford to send their sons to Japanese military officer schools, but little conscription took place in the South, so the actual combat force was untrained. Most of the conscription and forced labor factory work took place in the North which is why they had such a good early campaign. Bringing this up to any Korean makes them seethe because they can't refute it. The reality is that conditions in the South were very cushy during WW2 and people were quite loyal to the Japanese because of all the infrastructure and social programs implemented. There were almost no anti-Japanese rebel groups in the South and all of them were concentrated in the North where they coordinated with the Chinese. The North is where all the struggle was because Japan focused all the military infrastructure closer to the front lines. That is why the North has such a large military economy and it's what pushed them towards communism. They have the real claims of mistreatment from Japan, but the South has coopted this struggle as their own because they want to appear like their families weren't loyalists even though it was the overwhelming trend in the South.

>>64451180
I found the pic I wanted to include.

>>64451180
>>64451197
You are seething with RoK butthurt and need to calm down a bit however: Almost everything you just rage posted is true.

You are exaggerating some things but the basics are truth.

>>64451234
>everything you just rage posted is true.
Thx not reading the rest of that wall of text btw

>>64451197
Holy Sung's Ghost in the Palace of the Sun, i'll need a few days to read all those references and compare them to a certain respected comrades family tree and collected works. Have you looked up how anti Japanese religious movements worked in the north and how a couple of them are still around?

>Thx not reading the rest of that wall of text btw

Read it, rereading it, memorized and researching first and secondary sources. I'm on volume 3 of the collected works of Kim Il Sung, about 1400 pages. 1600 if you include commentary by North Korean scholars of Juche thought. Each one is longer than the next. He says alot about anti Japanese movements in the South and their Successors

They just released volume 67 of his works, when i get up to there i'll finally be done! Wish me luck!

>>64451272
If it dunks on the uppity sorks then good on you

>>64451280
Thanks for the support! Nice to meet someone i can have a friendly conversation with.

I'm through the first two volumes of Comrade Sung's memoirs and rereading them to prepare my historical background before i finish the third volume and start skimming the fourth one, do you have any advice on what i should research before i can really say i have devoted my life to reading all 67 volumes of the great mans writings?

It is a life goal of mine to read everything Sung has ever written.

>>64451305
I don't read any of that shit. I just think its annoying that sorks have made their entire cultural identity a massive seethe fest about what was just a typical 20th century colony treatment while the norks who actually have a claim to that shit aren't constantly seething

>>64451330
>I don't read any of that shit.
Neither have i, i'm 3-4 volumes in and it is batshit insane Nork revisionist stuff from the 1950s and i'm on 4 out of 67 volumes. If i manage to read it all 67 volumes i think i'll be the first native western English speaker to do it and understand what they are trying to say. I deserve a medal for how badly i have corrupted and poisoned my mind just for the effort alone. It isn't easy.

>I just think its annoying that sorks have made their entire cultural identity a massive seethe fest about what was just a typical 20th century colony treatment while the norks who actually have a claim to that shit aren't constantly seething

I can't disagree with anything you said in that statement.

>>64451364
I mean you can try writing a paper on all of it and try to get published in a journal, but it would require a lot of effort for a fairly niche topic. You would need to be good at academic writing, have some connections, and then find a journal that is relevant to the subject and willing to publish you. It would be a good resume filler to say that you had a scientific paper published though and you're already this far, so might as well give it a shot.

>>64451386
I've tried to get some of my stuff published, i got DEI'd from 38North since they would not accept applicants from people of my age or demographic range. I was told that i'm too old to even apply.

Academically no one cares that i have provable experience with things like live Sarin Nerve Gas training at the CDTF or that i know more about the DPRK than 99.9% of the US military. It really pisses me off.

>>64451386
>>64451364
>>64451423
I can write a decent academic paper, i can even get a few grants if i want and have done so a few times. Agricultural mind you. I'm just very much enraged by the lack of so called Foreign policy experts who actually study their opponents.

Pic: An 170mm Koksan in Iranian service that was made before most of the people reading this thread were born.

>>64441386
>>64441505
It's also easy to assume that someone that shares some of your beliefs is similar in other ways.
>I'd never send a submarine to North Korea to kidnap people, why would they? This must be nonsense.
Not helped by bad criticism drowning it out. If people keep accusing you of outlandish shit you know is wrong, then you might assume that about outlandish shit they're accusing someone you think is similar to you of. Because to be fair, it does sound fucking insane right up until it was proven. I absolutely do not blame someone for dismissing it out of hand in the absence of evidence, that'd probably be my guy reaction too.

>>64442999
>>64443040
They use colorful pennants to ambush wolves. It only works until the animal overcomes it's fear of the unknown and crosses the line for the first time. Maybe the water bag thing used to work, but stopped once dogs learned it's not a threat?

>>64451479
For what it is worth:

North Korea kidnaps people, steals, lies, cheats and counterfeits constantly. They also assist geocidal regimes, slaughter their own people if they oppose the Kim regime and help Russia. Not to mention the fact that the DPRK blackmails the entire planet via threat of global atomic warfare with their atomic stockpiles.

I'm so envious of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-4N0xBpU38&list=RDV-4N0xBpU38&start_radio=1

>>64441361 (OP)
NK stole some romanians back then as well
I assume they were trying to grow some sleeper agents
idk wtf those guys are smoking, but it's potent stuff

>>64446350
>certain GIs
to those of an S4 persuasion, to be more specific

>>64451521
based Visotsky appreciator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l2GiFdWz8c
anyway, to keep this somewhat ontopic
american soldier Ted Dresnok defected to NK
later he married and had two children with Doina Bumbea, a Romanian woman that NK had kidnapped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4kLUmF5tYQ

>>64451616
There are almost 3K of them at this point, the DPRK has a pool of blond haired assets if need be.

>>64451659
the USSR had a whole damn city dedicated to this sort of thing (Tolyatti) and (partly connected to it) a gigantic breeding program which has so far remained unacknowledged
speaking of breeding programs, jewish genestealers do exist

>>64451272
As someone that is prone at starting autistic time consuming practically useless projects myself, I sincerely praise your dedication. The knowledge you will gain is going to be priceless in both a good and a bad kind of way. BTW you mention you have done some agricultural researches, as someone interested in esperimental agriculture, can you share something.

>>64443772
>the killers are impossible to track
You ever hear of an ELD? Interstate trucks are extremely easy to track now as you basically have electronic records of any time the truck does anything or goes anywhere. The cherry on top is that they don't need a warrant for them either.
This is in addition to all of the shipping records, tollways, traffic cameras, etc that are out there putting driver's and vehicles at specific places at specific times.

>>64451180
Any published sources on this stuff? Not disputing it- genuinely want to learn more

>>64443941
grim lol

>>64454981
>The New Korea by Alleyne Ireland
Has a lot of good info on pre-war colonial treatment by Japan.
>Train Wreckers and Ghost Killers by Leo J. Daugherty
Has some info on early ROKMC history including the Japanese influence.
As for the officer stuff, just go through some of the early ROK officer wiki pages. If they held a commission in either the IJA or Manchurian army or entered pre-1943/44, then they are volunteers. Stuff like 5 of the 6 ever Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff which is the highest military position were Japanese collaborators when the role requires direct appointment from the president multiple other levels of approval. Then there is the Joint Chief of staff where all were Japanese collaborators until the trend was broken when appointees were simply too young to have served in the IJA during WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_of_the_Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff_(South_Korea)
Same with 2 of 3 of the Commanders of the Army equivalent to the American General of the Army were Japanese collaborators.

>>64455365
>entered
Enlisted pre-1943/44

>>64444423
Unit 124
>1968 January 16
>Elit North Korean 31 man platoon sent to kill the south korean president
>Cross the border in January 17
>Run into 4 south korean boys looking for firewood
>Instead of killing them the North Koreans inform them about the glory of communism and give them a stern warning to not inform the police
>They inform the police anyway
>January 21
>Get discovered just outside the blue house (south korea white house) dressed as south korean soldiers
>Gun battle erupts
>Over the course of a week, the unit get wiped out (29 dead from getting killed or suicide, 1 captured, 1 made it back to north korea)
>24 south koreans and 4 americans died

Unit 684
>1968 1 April
>31 strong platoon made up from random criminal youth or being poor
>Formed as act of revenge against the North with a similiar mission as Unit 124
>Stuck on island called Silmido so they cant escape
>Intense training
>7 die during training ( 2 for desertion, 1 for threatening a trainer, 1 from drowning and 3 executed again for managing to escape the island and raping a random local woman
>Mission to north korea get cancelled in Aug 1971
>23 August
>The now 24 strong Unit 684 revolt after being stuck on the Island for almost 3 years, enduring inhumane training with no hope of leaving the island
>Kill all but 6 guards
>Escaped the island dressed as paratroopers
>Land on Icheoon
>Hijacked a buss
>Went on a wild ride into Seoul
>Got intercepted by police and military
>Crashed into a tree
>Unit wiped out by getting shot or suicide by grenade
>4 survive
>Get executed anyway later (24 out of 24 dead)
>18 Guards dead with unknown number of casualties outside the island

>>64457863
Pic related the bus Unit 684 used for the final wild ride.

>>64457863
>six of the training deaths are executions
I don't think anything else paints a better picture of just how hardcore South Korea's military dictatorship era was.

>>64458122
Things were absolutely grim for the South Koreans until the 90s because in the 70s and 80s the North Koreans actually had an edge on quality of life and both governments behaved similarly.

>>64443861
NTA but it's not exactly a secret. Just search SAS basra prison and you can read all about it.

>>64441361 (OP)
It wasn't given urban legend status, but the DMZ ax murder incident and resulting Operation Paul Bunyan is such a bizarre story you'd think it was fake.

I assume it's old hat for most /k/ommandos, but in case there are any newfags:

>decision is made to prune a tree in the Korean DMZ to improve line of sight between a UN observation post and checkpoint
>an American/South Korean work party heads to the tree, sets to chopping with axes
>are joined after some time by a 15-man Nork patrol, who tell them to stop
>American officers in charge ignore them, the pruning goes on
>Norks get reinforced, let the chopping go on for a little while longer before attacking the work party
>bludgeon most of those present to death, including the senior American officers
>US takes exception to this, Ford administration settles on an "overwhelming show of force" in response
>16 combat engineers equipped with chainsaws set out for the tree, covered by a 60 man, two-platoon force, with another 64 Sork special forces, who spend their time daring the Norks to come into the DMZ
>USS Midway CSG stationed off shore
>an entire air cav company in its helicopters circles behind the DMZ, and behind them are flights of B-52s covered by F-4s circled, while Sork fighters overflew the DMZ at high altitudes
>significantly more air power and infantry was moved to forward bases in Korea or put on alert
>Norks respond with a 200-strong force on their side of the DMZ, but just watch
>on the way out, Sorks vandalize a few Nork guard posts, for additional insult to injury

Pic related is a photo from the UN observation post of the initial attack.

>>64458201

Don't forget the Sork SF was supposed to be unarmed except clubs, but pulled out dozens of hidden M16s from their trucks and a few even strapped Claymores to their chests. These absolutely based SF dudes literally walked towards the watching Norks with wired clackers held high, screaming at the Norks to come get some unless they were pussies.

Again, absolutely based and commie removal pilled.

>>64458201
Hell hath no fury like a Korean. They can be batshit insane when they're angry.

>>64444000
Wasted, but decent point.

>>64444444
Who got it?

>>64457863
Epic.

>>64458201
My ex's dad was in ststioned there, in that unit and almost went on the soiree.

>>64458201
Still a weak as fuck response. We should have killed at least 2x.