Thread 64444088

Why has Sovo-Russoid shit failed so bigly in every conflict that they've been used in? Why are the losses so terrible for the combatants that use them? Why do they have quirky but universally shitty designs and odd compromises between features? Why is it that even the supposedly premier gear used by RU military (IE. not the so-called export monkey models) suffer great losses in exchange for a few hundred yards in Ukraine?

Why are Russian small arms inaccurate hot garbage? Why are their arty tubes inaccurate and unreliable? Why are their tanks and fighting vehicles death traps? Why do they build terrible airplanes that suffer hilariously bad K:D ratios every time they go against Western planes?

Most importantly: why is there such a huge contingent of slavaboos online who will absolutely throw a fit every time someone laughs at slavshit? Why do they clutch their pearls when it comes to slavshit? Are they masochists? Is it a problem with ego, or that they've invested so much energy into cheerleading slavshit that they just can't let it go? This type of delusional support for objectively terrible gear is not healthy. I am quite sure that if you, dear slavaboo, ever had to fight in a war, you would much rather ride in a Bradley carrying an AR pattern rather than ride in a BMP carrying an AK pattern.

>>64444088 (OP)
They were designed with mass conscription in mind and also to only attack because the Soviets never wanted to have anyone invade Russian soil ever again.

>>64444088 (OP)
Corruption mostly. Why spend it all on R&D when there are yachts to be purchased.

Captcha: VNOOK

>>64444089
But why do they fail on the attack as well?

>>64444088 (OP)
>Why are Russian small arms inaccurate hot garbage?
intended for mass fire?
>Why are their arty tubes inaccurate and unreliable?
worn down the barrels? intended for mass fire?
>Why are their tanks and fighting vehicles death traps?
still using 1970s/80s stuff?
I get the feeling it would all would have more or less worked in a mass formation battle but in small scale it doesn't

>>64444099
designed for 70 year old doctrine

Name ONE good piece of Slav gear, /k/

Why does slavic gear seem to mostly function OK in Ukrainian hands then?

>>64444088 (OP)
>why is there such a huge contingent of slavaboos online who will absolutely throw a fit every time someone laughs at slavshit?
Probably comes down to the tone of the discussion surrounding it. Like if you said candidly that AKs are difficult to modernize due to the relatively low amount that had dovetail mounts and the hand-fitting nature of solid aftermarket handguards, then most people would agree. But if you come at it in a histrionic rage about them being irredeemable garbage as if a soviet official fucked your oneitis, that obviously invites a passionate response.
>you would much rather ride in a Bradley carrying an AR pattern rather than ride in a BMP carrying an AK pattern.
A BMP? No. But so long as the AK had a recent optic and a means to mount a flashlight, it wouldn't matter to me at all.

>>64444097
Time traveler...

>>64444088 (OP)
Abrams:
Good electronics and optics
good protection that guarantees the survival of the crew
The propulsion system is terrible shit and requires a dozen fuel trucks that will go on the assault right with you, otherwise you will run out of fuel in the middle of the field

T-series tanks:
Good propulsion system for terrible weather conditions, average fuel consumption
Optics and electronics are dog shit
toss olympic winner

so, main idea that Soviet tanks are shit is low reverse speed and jitb, otherwise they are good vehicles as a means of storming dense urban areas and driving on bad roads

>>64444088 (OP)
>Why has Sovo-Russoid shit failed so bigly in every conflict that they've been used in?
Mediocre and poorly maintained kit being used by forces that are often well below mediocre.

>Why are the losses so terrible for the combatants that use them?
Because crew survivability wasn't a design priority and because their updates were a joke.

>Why do they have quirky but universally shitty designs and odd compromises between features?
Death by committee and bureaucratic infighting.

>Why is it that even the supposedly premier gear used by RU military (IE. not the so-called export monkey models) suffer great losses in exchange for a few hundred yards in Ukraine?
Doctrine, mostly.

>Why are Russian small arms inaccurate hot garbage?
They're absolutely in "good enough" territory. This isn't the 90s, they've had rails on their guns for decades now.

>Why are their arty tubes inaccurate and unreliable?
Because the USSR was always shit-tier when it came to precision anything but they had a massive industrial base so they leveraged that instead. Having less accuracy and range can be substantially offset by a 4:1 advantage in volume.

>Why are their tanks and fighting vehicles death traps?
See point 2 above.

>Why do they build terrible airplanes that suffer hilariously bad K:D ratios every time they go against Western planes?
See points 1 and 2.

>Most importantly: why is there such a huge contingent of slavaboos online who will absolutely throw a fit every time someone laughs at slavshit? Why do they [etc.]
At this point they're just shills and/or willfully self-deluded.

>>64444127
PKM. No we're not having that stupid fucking accuracy argument AGAIN; it's perfectly fine at practical ranges and the gun is reliable and relatively light.

>>64444129
>Why does slavic gear seem to mostly function OK in Ukrainian hands then?
Doctrinal differences, defending vs. attacking and support from allies who also use slavshit and have made actual improvements over the years.

>>64444165
But is the PKM good in comparison to any western LMG? Would you carry a PKM over any western miltech?

>>64444089
Uh, what kind of answer is that?

>>64444131
And if you had to choose?

>>64444181
Comparing the PKM to LMGs is kind of silly, anon. That being said, if we compare the PKM to Western GPMGs, the PKM isn't merely good in comparison, but superior.

Even today there isn't a single Western machinegun that is an equal of the PK. Even the lightest M240 variant, the M240L weighs 5 lbs more than the PK - PK clocks in at 17 empty, while the 240 Lima clocks in at 22. And even to reach that point, the 240 Lima needs to use titanium parts all over, along with a short barrel. The M60E6 doesn't fare significantly better either. Of foreign MGs, the only ones that really come close are the HK21 and the Negev. It is sort of weird really, how the PK as a 60 year old design is still doing so well.

At the same time, the PKM is ridiculously reliable to a stupid degree - it's basically all those retarded fudd stories about AKs, except actually true.

The PKM is probably the only Eastern piece of equipment I'd ever prefer over its Western equivalents, and I'm a moderate who believes that exterminating every last Russian man, woman, and child is merely a good start.

>>64444181
>But is the PKM good in comparison to any western LMG?
It's not an LMG, it's a GPMG. The comparison would be to the M60 or M240 and other guns in that class.

>Would you carry a PKM over any western miltech?
Over any? No. For me, despite being a virulent anti-semite and a moderate who believes that the sun should rise over Moscow several dozen times in one day, I would have to go with the Negev NG-7 if we're considering Israel "western" and an unqualified "yes" if the Jews are too brown and smelly to qualify. The NG-7 is a little lighter, has a superior belt system and doesn't have a r*mmed cartridge but is comparable across the board otherwise. But honestly, that still only adds up to a marginal distinction. If it was a choice between a PKM and anything BUT an NG-7 I would take the PKM every time.

>>64444220
So it's lighter than western offerings, which makes it superior? I have the exact opposite experience with PKM's famed reliability by the way.

>>64444270
>I have the exact opposite experience with PKM's famed reliability by the way.
it was a monkey model

>>64444275
the age old excuse with slavshit

>>64444088 (OP)
This famous German invention called communism ravaged the Russians and they suffer from it to this day. But rest assured that glorious socialist ideas are destroying the whole western civilization as you babbling and you won't gloat much longer kek.

>>64444270
no the experience of someone actually having used the actual hardware westoids have never even seen in real life does not count. We do data analysis based off the data russian government curates to us.

>>64444127
AK

>>64444315
there hasn't been a time when mongoloid subhumans known as muscovites weren't suffering

1. Many of the weapons are just bad. Not necessarily bad because it's was designed by retards, but because the objectives imposed on the designers were flawed. Some were just bad ideas (hurr-durr put auto-loader to save up 1 crew member per tank, hurr-durr make tank profile smaller). Some were degenerate views (hurr-durr we've calculated that the average tank survives on the battlefield for 15 minutes, so things like comfort, usability and ease of maintenance don't matter). Some were the lacking state of electronics, precision manufacturing or even material science of the soviet industry.
2. Training was bad. It was a system focused on rotating massive amounts of conscripts every 2-3 years. The first year they'd be trained to disassemble and reassemble their AK, how to make their bed to military standards and so other shit like that. And then there wasn't that great amount of time to train them to be good soldiers, just show them the basics and let them go off back to civilian life, so that they exist as a potential war time reserve to mobilize millions from.
3. Low quality of people using those weapons, shitty command, atrocious logistics and support.

You can see this in how ukies somehow use the same weapons in a better way

>>64444088 (OP)
>Why has Sovo-Russoid shit failed so bigly in every conflict that they've been used in?
That's only been the case since the late 80s. Prior to Desert Storm the only conflict where Soviet equipment failed horribly was the Arab-Israeli Wars. It performed well enough in India, Africa, Iran and Indochina. Jews were just magical and simply outskilled all their opponents be it Egyptians riding Slavshit or Jordanians on British/American vehicles.
Then came the 1980s and the US leapt so far ahead in tech that Soviet shit couldn't hope to compete. Soviets couldn't keep up and after 1991 Russia sure as hell couldn't.
>Why are the losses so terrible for the combatants that use them?
Because the Russian army is a 1970s army that was outdated by 1991 wearing make-up to fool people into thinking it was a 21st century army. Read the report on the captured T-90M. It's the same shitty T-72 with the same flaws it had since inception with some upgraded French optics and thermals added.
>Why are their arty tubes inaccurate and unreliable?
Because Soviets/Russians never went beyond WW1 artillery doctrines.
>Why are their tanks and fighting vehicles death traps?
The T-72 and its consequences were a disaster for Eastern European tankers. Simply put, the design choices of the T-72 were really bad but people only figured it out after Desert Storm happened. The USSR imploded soon after and nobody in modern Russia was interested in spending money tank development. Upgrading optics and thermals was considered good enough.
>Why do they build terrible airplanes that suffer hilariously bad K:D ratios every time they go against Western planes?
Well they suck. Always have. There's a reason most the successful Soviet WW2 aces flew the Bell Airacobra.
>why is there such a huge contingent of slavaboos online who will absolutely throw a fit every time someone laughs at slavshit?
They're Slavs, terminal contrarians or their countries operate a load of Slavshit.

>>64444315
It was always shit. Almost all of Russia's current issues had their roots in imperial Russia.

>>64444099
Because western weapon designers and doctrine writers specifically built everything around defeating Russian hordes headbutting the frontlines.

>>64444127
Czech stuff,copied both by germans and russians.

>>64444127
the ak47/akm was very good, so cheap simple and reliable it could be issued even to africans

>>64444088 (OP)
puccia is a homosexual death cult. If start looking at everything they are doing through that lens their behavior, like machine designs that actively hate their operators, starts to make sense

>>64444315
Russian communism was an absolute monarchy with socialist window dressing.

>>64444089
>because the Soviets never wanted to have anyone invade
they were pissed about getting invaded. but not because of the defense they had to mount. but because they wanted to invade first. they lost valuable time and years that could have been spent on conquering europe and stealing their toilets

>>64444127
only one I can think off is the mt-lb. not because its ergonomic or technically reliable (lol. lmao). But because its the only piece of sovshit that actually has demonstrated decent cross terrain capacity. Its mainly because its a slightly up armored tractor: pair of wide enough tracks with some sheet metal covering it but hey, it counts

>>64444697
politburo held sway over the tzars throne. Unlike both original tzarist or modern putinist incarnation.

But that only came to be after Stalin died and the surviving court members concluding
>that was too close (for them) for comfort

>>64444697
>Russian communism
any communism is, my retarded friend

>>64444576
2-3 years of conscription is more then enough to train competent units of reservists. Other high quality conscription armies like Israel and Finland or Korea use it all the time in similar, or even lesser, timeframes. Vatniks managing to teach them nothing but maybe which end of the AK shoots and how to get fucked in the ass is purely a mentality/culture problem

>>64444721
The reason why USSR and Russia have such long conscription timeframes is because the state uses the conscripts as slave labor. The SU's food came from conscript serfs slaving on the state-owned fields with gulaged people.

>>64444127
the AK when not produced by the russians

>>64444674
Do you think giving africans machine guns was really a good idea?

>>64444127
MiG 31 does its specific job well

S300P and its children are all capable when not operated by pillocks

Pkm is solid

>>64444088 (OP)
>>64444099
The Soviet/Russian military doctrine is for nukes to be used as conventional weapons. They don't really have a concept of WMDs like the West has. So it was all 100% made from the ground up for a nuclear war with liberal use of all types of WMDs. That can't happen because of MAD though but they insisted so you get this bullshit.

>>64444088 (OP)
>every conflict that they've been used in?
Poor training and poor leadership undermining average to poor equipment.

>Why are the losses so terrible for the combatants that use them?
Soviet indifference to friendly losses even to the point of wastefullness. They think meat is cheap and equipment expensive, so they waste their meat, which also wastes equipment.
>Why do they have quirky but universally shitty designs and odd compromises between features?
Mix of WW2 Allied advice, some native actually good ideas, and a lot of cargo cult copying of "new technology" hence slapping ERA on everything.
>Why is it that even the supposedly premier gear used by RU military (IE. not the so-called export monkey models) suffer great losses in exchange for a few hundred yards in Ukraine?
See above.
>Why are Russian small arms inaccurate hot garbage?
AK has okay accuracy from a machine perspective, but poor training and poor manufacturing and poor maintenance makes it worse.
>Why are their arty tubes inaccurate and unreliable?
Old, poorly maintained.
>Why are their tanks and fighting vehicles death traps?
They are supposed to be expendable and numerous like the meat that operate them.
>Why do they build terrible airplanes that suffer hilariously bad K:D ratios every time they go against Western planes?
Because they're 40 years behind western planes in all features. "Supermaneverability stalls" is not a feature. It is an airshow trick.

>>64444720
>>64444697
The one time the Czechs tried to take their own spin on Marxism and make it less awful for everyone involved they got invaded by Russia.

>>64445389
There also were anarcho-communist ideas in Ukraine during 1920-1930's but they got genocided by Russians.

>>64444088 (OP)
The problem you have, OP, is that you are assessing the Russians based on a European assumption of intelligence and forethought. Russians are often mistaken for Europeans due to the fact that most of their major population centers are located within the borders of Europe, and that there is a significant admixture of the blonde-haired, blue-eyed phenotype in their population.

But what you must understand is that the Russian is in fact an Asiatic, and operates with an Asiatic IQ and fundamentally Asiatic worldview. Bear in mind that for our purposes, "Asiatic" refers not to the high-IQ Oriental strain, but the savage and warlike Mongol ethnicity which raped the current Russian race into existence.

The Russian Asiatic therefore embodies nearly all of the worst characteristics of a human animal. They lack foresight, often preferring to spend or store resources for when they are most needed. Their behavior is performative, actions being taken to impress their peers rather than according to a sensible outcome. While group communalism is an asset to the Oriental Asiatic, the Russian interpretation of this principal is a virtual bear-trap which demands subservience to an endless succession of "strongman" archetypes - the Mongol warlord, the Tsar, the General Secretary, the President, and so on. Loyalty without question, until said strongman fails - at which time the next strongman is installed to make up for uis predecessor's shortcomings.

For this reason Russia has never, EVER been a Democracy and never will be. Their people are too stupid, ignorant and weak to ever maintain true meritocracy.

>>64444692
I remember reading an account from a finnish officer that have served on the BMP-1 and the new CV9030.

The BMP-1 is so cramped and uncomfterable that you just want to go out and murder someone when the time comes to dismount, you dont want to be inside a BMP-1.

The CV9030 is so spaceious and comfterable that you could almost fall asleep while it is driving. The dismounts lack the desire to leave when it is time to dismount, you just want to stay inside and be comfy.

>>64445446
Yep, that definitely makes Russian weapons crappy. And the Mongols had the greatest army with the best military equipment at the time just because, well, just because.
Fortunately our village Aryan have figured it out for us.

>>64444630
>The T-72 and its consequences were a disaster
The solution should have been to make a Leopard 2 knockoff using Russian-made hulls and drivetrains. But instead they kept snorting their own farts about having an autoloader. The carousel autoloader is the singular reason the T-72 cannot be improved.

>>64445454
>you just want to stay inside and be comfy.
Russhit fuddlore. The difference is dismounts that are already stressed amd tired versus dismounts in ideal physical and mental condition.

>>64445446
Thanks Gen. Patton.

>>64445490
>But instead they kept snorting their own farts
This is one of the main reasons why Russians always, ALWAYS fuck up. They are incredibly arrogant people and high on their own supply.

>>64445446
>The Russian Asiatic therefore embodies nearly all of the worst characteristics of a human animal. They lack foresight, often preferring to spend or store resources for when they are most needed.
I think the Russians have a behavorial or survivalist mode of functioning. It's not a society based on ideas, really. The trad stuff nor communism stuff that people project onto them isn't the reality, and the conservative stuff from the government seems more like a copied / knocked-off version of Fox News than anything. It's fake. You also say they're incapable of democracy, but how can you blame any individual person when they're living under a psychotic government in which trying to change things or protest is a real danger to your life or a danger to your family. This is a government that can do anything to people, and it seeks conflict because it's only through some kind of emergency that it knows how to maneuver. You can't trust any polls either. They are masters of bluffing (Putin is a bluffer) but you think those stone-faced Russians are really loyal because they're not expresssing disobedience? It's like Jenga tower and when it eventually keels over it's going to happen in a couple of days.

>>64445454
Saw a video in some tegramm channel with urkrainians complaining about cv90 also being cramped. Not comblok design tier, but uncomforble nevertheless.
Good passenger compartment must be spaceous to dismount quickly with all the shite they might carry. Also you don't wsnt passengers break necks in a crash or after driving over a mine

>>64444088 (OP)
Gotta disagree about the small arms. AKs are still perfectly serviceable rifles, the RPG-7 is ubiquitous for a reason, and the PKM may be the best medium machine gun ever made. Of course, small arms don’t win wars.

>>64444721
I thought Israel had 4 years of conscription

>>64444127
Generally good small arms.

>>64444630
T-55s were getting clapped by South African armoured cars in Angola.

>>64445948
>the RPG-7 is ubiquitous for a reason
Yeah, the Soviets made millions of the goddamn things and handed them out like candy because they were capable anti-armor weapons for decades. Still iconic, but considering that the practical range against moving targets is like ~150m, that even the tandem HEAT warhead is dubious against tanks made or updated since the 80s and modern IFVs and that the backblast will mulch you if you fire it indoors it's incredibly fucking sketchy to use as an actual anti-armor piece. Fantastic against softer targets and I would sell my left nut to own one just for Red Dawn LARPing but I'd pick a CG or even a SMAW for anti-armor usage any day of the week.

>>64446056
Oh yeah, it’s certainly not a great anti-armor weapon anymore, but it’s still damn useful. I recall reading that more US troops got killed by the RPG in the sandbox than anything else.

>>64446032
They are not generally good. They shoot bullets sure and if that's the metric, then sure.

>>64445948
>the RPG-7 is ubiquitous for a reason
Yeah because the rapehorde in the East decided that they needed to arm every little faction, insurgency and terrorist group with them to own the West. It doesn't make them good.

>>64444220
ngl that pic related goes pretty hard. I think the Rhodesians used to do something very similar.

>>64446056
>>64447601
RPG-7's are really good if you want something easy to use, relatively safe, that can fire a wide variety of exploding tubes at vehicles, buildings and people.

>>64445350
Would you say they went with a more Pentomic army model?

>>64447619
It's not relatively safe. It's a very dangerous contraption that can fail in many different ways. It's just easy to use, but every AT tube is easy to use.

>>64444088 (OP)
All those questions can be answered with the soviet doctrine of quantity over quality, with a side of rarely having any consistent or good design philosophy. The USSR never dropped the WWII mindset of having 1000 shitty spammed weapon/vehicle/system was better than having 500 decent ones because they had more troops than weapons and no regard for them.

Modern Russia, it feels like they have been stuck with a mountain of outdated surplus desperately trying to patch gaps and apply bandaids. And they don't have the same scale of industry any more.

>>64444127
generally good cost/effectiveness. AK-74M and T-72 are good examples of solid mass-produced weapons

>>64444127
PKM

Got to field strip and otherwise handle one recently and its just magnificent in how logical and easy it is to use

>>64445446
>The problem you have, OP, is that you are assessing the Russians based on a European assumption of intelligence and forethought. Russians are often mistaken for Europeans due to the fact that most of their major population centers are located within the borders of Europe, and that there is a significant admixture of the blonde-haired, blue-eyed phenotype in their population.
It's called "reverse lookism", a form of racism which breaks the normal patter recognition by fooling the onlooker. Westerns look at russia and see more or less normal European people. They look normal (especially when they look from a thousand miles away to carefully staged and curated propaganda, or even if they visit it they never leave the rich center of moscow), they use normal religion (none of the weird muslim or other asiatic stuff), they use a weird but technically normal alphabet (none of that arabit shit, none of the weird asiatic shit), their culture (the old shit they were exposed too like czarist era literature, paintings and music) is also pretty much European. So the brain stops the analysis and decides "yep, they are Europeans" and thus assumes that think and operate like other European people. But they are not in fact European in a lot of senses, from the state culture and tradition being based on mongol horde enforcer, to the rape done by Bolsheviks, to other shit left boiling in the pot for too long. But you would never know it because of the geographic and language barriers.

>>64448140
If I didn't know better, I'd say that you're trolling

>>64446046
My brother, the Eland was armed with a 90mm cannon capable of firing HEAT shells. It had more firepower than M26 Pershings or early Centurions the T-54 was designed to face.
>>64445490
>>64445676
Leclerc and K2 both have an autoloader. There was nothing stopping the Russians from designing a western style MBT with an autoloader to replace the T-72 except corruption, complacency and arrogance.

>>64445446
>For this reason Russia has never, EVER been a Democracy and never will be
Pretty much, their dead "icon martyr of liberal opposition" literally built a "personalistic dictatorship" type of an organization, filled with subservient and loyal retards, and instead of trying to increase the popularity of the opposition an the amount of anti-putin forces and their supporters in the country overall he instead waged war against other oppositional figures, cleaning them off the political arena, so that he becomes the self-imposed "singular a no alternative leader of the opposition". So that once he got removed the whole movement instantly collapsed into running around like a rooster with its head chopped off.

>>64448146
What do you think is wrong with the point mentioned?

>>64448162
you just made some shit up, just like the post you were replying to

>>64448159
The opposite of a democracy is a corrupt autocracy, which is even worse for everyone involved, even for the top in-group in societal hierarchy, because you will never ever be in the inner clique of the ruling tzar. Fucking thirdies.

>>64448165
You're are brown and/or a russoboo, kill yourself

>>64448168
>believe my bullshit, or you're brown
that's not how it works

>>64448168
OP here, you just made some retarded shit up and claimed that I don't know what Russians are really like. FYI, there is not such thing as "reverse lookism", this is some thirdie shit that you made up. I also have exactly zero illusions about the mongoloid rapists.

>>64446056
>the backblast will mulch you if you fire it indoors
Chechens were able to use it effectively in Grozny, firing down on Russian armor in the streets below from tower blocks.
For some reason it always feels like Russian weapons are adequate when used against Russians by non-Russians.

>>64444220
>That being said, if we compare the PKM to Western GPMGs, the PKM isn't merely good in comparison, but superior.
why is there always a PKM-fanboy in here?

>>64448175
OK vanya, thanks for your retarded input.

>>64448159
Funny how standards of living are so much higher in democracies.

>>64448183
>there is not such thing as "reverse lookism"
You are autistic or retarded, I don't know which. I've specified that term to describe a form of stereotyping (you can call it even racism) based on looks, which in this case works the other way around. Instead of looking at chinks and niggers and instantly looking someone "not like us", people look at russians and foolishly see "people like us". That's the fucking point you mongoloid.

>>64448194
First of all, I don't know where you got the idea that I think that Russians are "normal Europeans" - I don't - or look like normal Europeans - they don't. I'm not a braindead MAGA faggot who drank the kool-aid. This should be evident from my OP, the questions in it are aimed at retarded slavaboos who, despite all the evidence to the contrary, still keep lionizing russhit gear and "culture".

Second of all, nothing is Russia is normal. Their "blonde and blue-eyed" people are all weird mongrels, their culture is an oppressive hierarchy upkept by harsh violence since the 1200s, their alphabet is corrupted Greek, their old shit is stolen or appropriated German and Polish stuff, their religion is a mystical death-cult subservient to the state apparatus. None of it is normal. They're not European. I hold exactly zero illusions about them.

>>64448220
>we were bored
>we
kek, ok vanya, enjoy that boot and arbitrary HOMO raids

>>64448235
Sadly I only get the boot of my liberal democracy (or so they call it) here in londistan oblast...

>>64448204
>>64448220
Coping and seething hard

>>64448248
>my only argument is to call you a Russian

>>64448251
>>64448243
you are a seething Russian or a pajeet
now answer the questions in the OP (weapons related) or fuck off to coom to pics of Xi Jinping or something

>>64448253
Ah yes, after posting amazing weapons related answers like >>64445446 then calling everyone who disagrees with you a Russian or jeet, demand that the topic be restored.

My answer is here >>64448036 if you are genuinely interested

>>64444088 (OP)
Pkm was more reliable and accurate than the 249 while also being lighter than the 240b. The 240b was always reliable but weighed more than ops mom and the 249 was a pos that jammed even when running belts, it was a bolt action when you had to use the dumbass magazine feed. The m4 and ak are about equal, civie side my aks internals have lasted longer before needing replacement (but I also don't own russian made aks) but its heavier than the m4. Their small arms have some advantages depending on what you want and as a civilian I would take a pkm over a 240b because they were about equal in reliability (if you wanna dispute post dd214, anything less and I fuck your mom while you jerk off in the cuck chair) but the pkm was lighter. I am right and all you war thunder trannies are wrong. Everything else outside that is trash but you wont care anyway because I'm the only actual american with real life experience posting on /k/ atm and the rest of you are germoid trannies who play vidya for all your xp.

>>64448223
>First of all, I don't know where you got the idea that I think that Russians are "normal Europeans" - I don't - or look like normal Europeans - they don't
Good for you, but most people in Western Europe, US and other "western countries" do in fact fall into that issue. That's like more than half of the reasons for the retarded policy towards russia over the years. At the very least thinking time and time again that you can do some sort of deal, a treaty with russia or something. As if they believe in those things and don't see it as smoke & mirrors to backstab you the first moment possible. Or thinking they can be brought to the table by creating some sort of a win-win scenario to include them and print them money (a la the whole German shit with natural gas supplies), not understanding that they operate in a zero sum mentality. Russians time and time again lie and do fucked up shit, not even trying to find some compromise, throwing out retarded demands (remember the pre-invasion demands of remove NATO back to pre-1991 borders?) specifically to bullshit everyone yet people start sniffing their farts, trying to find rationality in that and how they could be accommodated.

>>64444088 (OP)
In order to understand that you have to understand the russian mindset. Which is, to put it simply, the idea of quantity over quality.

Russian small arms in particular is mostly shit because of their constant effort to make everything as cheap as possible with minimal quality control. An example would be WW2 era when all of their guns were 7.62 caliber (7,62x25 TT-33 pistol, PPSH submashine gun, 7,62x54R Mosin). So basically, to make TT-33 barrels they just cut down mosin barrels shorter. This is again, to arm as many people as possible as cheap and quick as possible.

Alot of their weapons manufacturing is also largely state-owned and they isolate themselves from foreign markets. As a result of that, nothing is pushing them to create good, innovative or competitive products. Many of these government and state-owned corporations are either run by or owned by oligarchs who also give zero fucks.

That is why Soviet and Slav stuff in general is shit. The only Slav weapons worthy of respect is Czech and maybe Polish. 2XNKG

>>64444099
Because the Russians learned the wrong lessons from WW2 and autistically stuck to those lessons ever since.

>>64449379
Also, to add to this, you also have to understand the non-western, non-european, or non-american mindset, which is that we value life and individuals as a society.

You wont see this very much in Asia, Africa, India and many third world countries, because in those places life is cheap and not seen as valuable. People and their governments tend to see people more as assets and numbers than individuals. We can critize the west all we want but we still care more about our own citizens than most third-worlders.

Russians, in general, also fall into this category. They dont and have never in history valued life, which is also quite clear when you look at their strategies in wars (which is to basically throw people on the field with no gear and barely functional PPSH with one mag in large numbers and hope for the best)

>>64444127
They have some decent helicopters I guess.

>>64444088 (OP)
>Russians sell T34-like steel coffins to niggers and jeets that are even more tarded as monkey-models than their own front-line kit
>nigger and jeet monkeys don't know any better
>go up against CaptMerica and die in huge numbers easily
>NO REFUNDS
It's called capitalism, bud. Maybe you should try it in your usa.

>>64444630
>simply put, the design choices of the T-72 were really bad but people only figured it out after Desert Storm happened.
*Ahem*

Guided by the wisdom of Juche the DPRK has with it's infinite foresight been rejecting the T-72 design as a pile of shit since the mid to late 1970s, specifically the autoloader.

>>64449828
Side note; besides the usual objections they apparently judged the design of the 125mm ammo itself to be defective specifically the combustible cases. This combined with the fact that as far as we know Russia buys 125mm barrels and ammo from Iran but not the Norks lends credence to the one piece ammo theory.

>>64444088 (OP)
>Why has Sovo-Russoid shit failed so bigly in every conflict that they've been used in?
flawed premise, it's done fairly well in several conflicts (e.g. t-34s in the korean war, soviet AA in vietnam)
>Why are the losses so terrible for the combatants that use them?
idk nigger because they're in a war maybe?
>Why do they have quirky but universally shitty designs and odd compromises between features?
flawed premise, e.g. soviet tanks were widely acknowledged as superior to contemporary western tanks up until the abrams and leopard came out (and i'd argue that russian tanks are better in many ways)
>Why is it that even the supposedly premier gear used by RU military (IE. not the so-called export monkey models) suffer great losses in exchange for a few hundred yards in Ukraine?
ukraine's mix of sovietshit and westshit also suffers tremendous losses but it doesn't manage to gain any land

>>64451944
Would you ride to battle in a BMP carrying an AK or in a Bradley carrying an AR?

>>64451944
(cont)
>Why are Russian small arms inaccurate hot garbage?
theyre not though
>Why are their arty tubes inaccurate and unreliable?
theyre not though
>Why are their tanks and fighting vehicles death traps?
they're not
>inb4 "the crew dies if a munition goes through the armor and into the area where the crew is"
yeah no shit nigger? same thing happens in literally any armored vehicle
>Why do they build terrible airplanes
flawed premise, e.g. the su-27 is superior to the f-15
>that suffer hilariously bad K:D ratios every time they go against Western planes?
because wars aren't won by fighter plane kdr
>Most importantly: why is there such a huge contingent of slavaboos online who will absolutely throw a fit every time someone laughs at slavshit? Why do they clutch their pearls when it comes to slavshit? Are they masochists? Is it a problem with ego, or that they've invested so much energy into cheerleading slavshit that they just can't let it go? This type of delusional support for objectively terrible gear is not healthy. I am quite sure that if you, dear slavaboo, ever had to fight in a war, you would much rather ride in a Bradley carrying an AR pattern rather than ride in a BMP carrying an AK pattern.
because the internet is full of retards of all flavors

>>64451949
bradley vs bmp would depend on which bradley and which bmp. if bmp 1 then obviously bradley, if bmp 2 or bmp 3 then there's something to talk about.
frankly i wouldn't want to be in either one because ifvs are drone bait and because i'm tall (194cm)
AK or AR would make very little difference.

>>64451958
>e.g. the su-27 is superior to the f-15
i'll take this back because neither is directly superior to the other. russian / soviet planes are fine though overall

>NUH-UH! MIGHTY RUSSOID WEAPONS AREN'T COMPLETE GARBAGE!

>>64451968
>if bmp 2 or bmp 3 then there's something to talk about.

>>64451989
both the bmp-2 and bmp-3 are better-armed than the bradley. 30mm > 25mm, 100mm >>> 25mm.
the bmps are also lighter. this presumably didn't matter much for blasting sandniggers in the sandbox (where there wasn't much mud afaik) but it matters in the russo-ukrainian war
the bradley has better armor but i doubt the crew is 100% safe against fpv drones

>if bmp 2 or bmp 3 then there's something to talk about.
>both the bmp-2 and bmp-3 are better-armed than the bradley

>>64451958
>this entire post

>the su-27 is superior to the f-15
>i'll take this back because neither is directly superior to the other.

>>64444088 (OP)
Probably they didn't have capitalism to aid good design competition.

>>64445454
Everyone knows he is joking but riding inside of a fucking BMP is a deathtrap, hence why all these cunts ride on top of them. I'm in manlet territory and I cannot imagine all of the stress of combat plus having to get out of that fucking death trap.
>>64445921
>but uncomforble nevertheless.
I'm pretty sure nothing except for a heavy-APC can provide enough space that it becomes "comfortable" and even than its probably budget airline tier seating.

>>64451944
>>64451958

>>64448147
>Leclerc and K2 both have an autoloader.
Not all autoloaders are equal. A bustle autoloader with blowout panels and firewalls is fine.

>>64444220
so you would agree that the m4 being lighter than the ak series means the former is superior?

>>64451958
>e.g. the su-27 is superior to the f-15
only in size

>>64444088 (OP)
To put it simply - Soviets were building war-time gear during peacetime.

They were also stockpiling huge amounts of it, so even the most basic level of maintenance had huge costs, which encouraged further cheapening

>why use fancy computers in war machine when capacitors will go bad within ~20-30 years?

>>64449863
what's the one piece ammo theory?

>>64444088 (OP)
>Russoid
>shit
>Slavoid
>tubes
>bigly
>[insert ethnicity here]boo

>>64447633
A little bit but the thing with the USSR/Russian ground forces structure is that their units are actually quite smaller than say, western units. So it's a bit of the opposite, its more that their massive amount of troops are all spread out in tiny units, which actually negates the advantage of such large amounts of men.

This happened after WWII directly because of the Soviets having a doctrine to mechanize their ENTIRE ground forces. All of them. This is also because of the doctrine to use nukes, chemical weapons, biological, radiological etc in any actual conflict as conventional ammo.

>>64449489
weird that the russians seem to die all the same in their own steel coffins just like jeets and niggers

>>64444127
AK
PKM
MI-8