Thread 64448158

>The Bundeswehr plans to buy 400 Tomahawk Block Vb cruise missiles for roughly €1.15 billion, along with three Lockheed Martin Typhon launchers valued at €220 million — a combination that would give Germany a 2,000-kilometer strike reach.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-military-wish-list-defense-politics-budget-domestic-industry/

What are they planning?

it's intended as a stop-gap solution until a European deep strike capability (ELSA) is ready.

but man, Oshkosh just unvailed a smaller and less cumbersome Tomahawk launcher, I hope we get that instead of the oversized Typhon

only issue is idk if that new Oshkosh vehicle can also launch SM-6 like Typhon, but I also don't know if the German gov even wants SM-6

>>64448158 (OP)
>Politico
Fuck that as a source but I see other outlets saying the same thing so you get a pass. Good for the Germs.
>>64448199
>Typhon
That's just a tech demonstrator, we're going to be mass producing CAML-H

>>64448158 (OP)
>The Bundeswehr plans to buy 400 Tomahawk Block Vb cruise missiles for roughly €1.15 billion

Except they can't be produced because there will be no rare earth magnets.

>>64448225
Update your script chink, Xi just pussied out and lifted export bans for 12 months. US defense companies never needed Chinese REEs anyway because they've since doubled or quadruped production with shit like PAC-3s and AAMRAMs since they were added to the UEL in 2023.

>>64448242
>Update your script chink, Xi just pussied out and lifted export bans for 12 months

He has done nothing of the kind.

>>64448225
Imagine having one leverage against the world and then pissed it all away and now everyone and their mother is mining and refining rare earth
Can't wait for your cope in 5 years, chinky. I know you're still going to be here, because the fact that /k/ not being pro chink is forever living rent free in your head

>>64448244
https://asia.nikkei.com/economy/trade-war/us-china-deal-prospects-buoy-markets-as-powers-strike-different-tones
lul

>In air defense, the Bundeswehr aims to procure 561 Skyranger
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP

>>64448256
It's even worse than that, China has completely torched as a viable manufacturing hub for anything more critical than an electric dildo.
It's an open secret that China steals design data from shit you send there to build in their sweatshops, but they made it brazenly obvious when they extorted German companies for confidential data to continue producing their shit or allow the transfer of REEs.
Made in China 2025 has ended right here, this is the last year that new orders will go to China, everyone will be moving away to the SEAmonkeys, especially Vietnam.

>>64448278
>It's an open secret that China steals design data from shit you send there to build in their sweatshops, but they made it brazenly obvious when they extorted German companies for confidential data to continue producing their shit or allow the transfer of REEs.
It's also technically legal in most cases, patents and copyright have very scarce protections in China.

They'll send that to ukies to avoid "evil anglo-saksi gave khokhols tomahawks"

>>64448225
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/rare-earths-europe-france-new-production-facility-reduce-reliance-china-5364031
>A new production facility in the southwestern French village of Lacq is expected to supply 15 per cent of the global market for heavy rare earths by the end of 2026.

>>64448269
>the Bundeswehr aims to procure 561 Skyranger
it's >600
https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/drohnen-der-neue-krieg-und-was-er-mit-deutschland-macht/100160510.html

also until 2030
which would be pretty quick
what I don't understand why the already ordered 18 only start deliveries in 2027
looks a lot like Ukraine secretly gets more, as production already runs

anyway Skyranger on Boxer is really nice and actually a good investment
hope that order gets through

Didn't the Netherlands recently acquire like ~150 (ship-launched) block 5 Tomahawks too? UK has about 200 iirc If you start adding shit up in Europe it is starting to get serious.

>>64448292
there's also
>Narva Estonia
>~2000t/y
opened a month ago
>REEtec in Norway
>~700t/y

and others that increase capacity
>Vacuumschmelze in US currently expands to 12000t/y for 2029

and a bunch of planned projects
plus, of course, purely US / Australian / SK etc. capacities

China already dropped from >95% rare earth refining capacities a few years ago
to ~89% projected in 2025 and ~85% expected in 2026 (just based on already planned & financed projects)

by the end of the decade they'll be below 60%, maybe <50%

>>64448292
Holy fuck, 15% of heavy refining? Last time I heard at the beginning of the year it was only recycling. Good on the frogs.
>>64448310
Copypastaing the US and Australia installations
2020 that the DoW and DoE invested half a billion in REE mining and processing and another 1.5 billion in general supporting infrastructure between 2020 and 2023. PLUS another $400m directly in MP materials earlier this year. And another $2B US-AU investment with a 6 month timeline last week. Little late, but better than never.
So here's the rundown on US REE refining. Two plants online, Mountain Pass
does 6.5k tons of finished product annually, other one is a bit of a meme, but 4 more coming online in 2026/2027. Australia has 1 that specializes in picrel with 3 coming online in 2026. This also doesn't include Malaysia who refined 10k tons of finished product who we import from.

So much for the peaceful "mission" of the Nato. Fourth Reich all along, fitting with Trump fascism and Banderism in the Ukriane. And they call others axes of evil. Soon Putins patience will come to an end, I just hope he stays as calm and collected as he has so far because these fools are playing with ww3

>>64448337
this time, the egg has hatched, the gloves are off, the eyebrow is raised, the ass is in the ass and everyone will understand everything.

>>64448344
>>64448337
the anus is clenched

>>64448344
Shills always with the same script.
0.02 dollers habe been deposited in your of accoint

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/us-approves-1bn-missile-sale-to-germany-for-f-35-jets/
They're getting 120C-3s too.

>>64448256
>now everyone and their mother is mining and refining rare earth

lol. good luck with that.

>>64448330
>Mountain Pass
>does 6.5k tons of finished product annually

lol. name what rare earth metals you believe are refined at Mountain Pass.

>>64448330
>>64448310
There’s a phrase in my country called “je eigen ruiten ingooien” and it applies perfectly to china now and the rest of the global south as well. They seemingly never learn this lesson.
Every time they have some sort of economic or cultural leverage they can enjoy, they decide to dickwave instead and hold the world economy hostage with it if they don’t conform to their every whim, which then causes an obvious reaction where whoever was too reliant on them compensates and finds someone else to get them what they need. Russia did this as well, all of them can’t seem to stop getting too big for their boots.

>>64448368
>ignores
>>64448292
>>64448310
>>64448330

>>64448360
You are upset lol.

>>64448376
>>ignores
>>>64448292
>>>64448310
>>>64448330

Because I know what I'm talking about. Here's the question again.

name what rare earth metals you believe are refined at Mountain Pass

>>64448372
>>64448382
Neodymium-Praseodymium. HREEs like Dysprosium are done in Australia and Malaysia. HREE capacity for the US is coming online in 2026.

>>64448389
>Neodymium-Praseodymium

lol they do not refine either of those at Mountain Pass. It's a mine.

>>64448389
>HREEs like Dysprosium are done in Australia and Malaysia.

do you understand the difference between mining and refining?

>>64448361
considering meteor, one of the less impressive procurements but nonetheless important to fill up warehouses

>>64448396
>>64448399
Can you read numbers from a year ago? 2024 was a ramp up year and 2025 projections are saying 6500-7000 tons.
https://investors.mpmaterials.com/investor-news/news-details/2025/MP-Materials-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-and-Full-Year-2024-Results/default.aspx?

>>64448409
>Can you read numbers from a year ago? 2024 was a ramp up year and 2025 projections are saying 6500-7000 tons.

Tons of ore, not refined metals. It's a mine, as i already told you.

>>64448413
>Achieved record production of 45,455 metric tons of REO in concentrate in 2024
>Produced record 1,294 metric tons of NdPr oxide in 2024

>NdPr oxide is considered refined, as the term refers to a high-purity oxide produced through a separation and purification process that isolates neodymium and praseodymium from other rare earth elements

Stupid fucking nigger

>>64448419
>>Achieved record production of 45,455 metric tons of REO in concentrate in 2024
>>Produced record 1,294 metric tons of NdPr oxide in 2024

These are ores. Can't do shit with them.

>I will ignore hard evidence presented in an easy to read format
Not replying to this nigger anymore

>>64448432

Do you know what the 'O' stands for in 'REO'? It stands for oxide. And you said:

>Produced record 1,294 metric tons of NdPr oxide in 2024

Oxides are ores.

So Mountain Pass Mine produces zero refined rare earth metals, logically enough because it has no refining capacity.

>>64448373
Dutch is such a funny language they say such things as "een groot Diets rijk waarvan wij allen wensen de schijtpalers te zijn" and they expect you to take it serious

>>64448449
>NdPr oxide is reduced to metallic form using electrolysis. This converts the oxide to pure NdPr metal ingots. Yield: ~85-90% by mass.
Where is the refining? Where is the chemical extraction? Where is the dirty ore that needs to be further refined?

>>64448468
>Where is the refining? Where is the chemical extraction?

It's in China. What you need are the actual metals not the oxides and they need to be at a very high level of purity.

>>64448406
considering production is still in the low hundreds range it'll take a while for the same volume of 400 missiles to be available

I have a feeling. This time Germany is going to get itself nuked.

>>64450159
I have a feeling someone just earned 50 roubles (0.001 €).

>>64448158 (OP)
Don't worry about it

>>64448337
I wish.

>>64450188
>>64448158 (OP)
There's one part of Germany that creeps me out. The military intelligence service has a massive, brand new headquarters in Berlin. What the hell do they need all that office space for? Is some of the MoD working out of there?

>>64450270
Mhmm, delicious rationalist architecture.

>>64450322
It's fucking huge.

>>64450270
Looks like a good place for glowniggers to stop by at

>>64450270
There's four kinds of people in bundeswehr: russians, nazis, russian nazis and diversity hire lesbians. And the first three need constant surveillance.

>>64450270
>>64450330
everything is done in paper since anything digital is new land in Germany
that's why we need a lot of storage space, thanks for understanding

>>64450270
Most of the MoD isn't even in Berlin so i doubt it. My guess is that they realized that they had a one in a century chance for a big location in the center of the capital so they build themselves a complex to grow into.

>>64450159
Another red line crossed. OOK.

>>64450270
BND is not military intelligence, that would be MAD. They also kind of needed a new headquarter.

>>64452296
You can argue that the BND is the primary military intelligence service of Germany.
Also, in what ways did they need a new HQ?

>>64448309
>If you start adding shit up in Europe it is starting to get serious.

Iran burned trough that in 12 days

>>64448474
Converting oxides to pure metal requires nothing but basic electrolysis, retard. No specialised refining needed. Now kys.

>>64454967
lmao and it ended with israel suing for a ceasefire

>>64448158 (OP)
why the launchers cost so much? it's just a truck that holds 4 VLS cells

>>64454967
Iran had Tomahawks?

>>64454973
Nigger thought he had a gotcha because he refused to accept that he cannot look deeper into ambiguous nomenclature. Ignoring that won't stop MP from making 6.5k tons of NdPr magnets this year so he can seethe more.

They are also buying 12000 drones, splitting the order between one established player and two startups.

>>64448199
>but man, Oshkosh just unvailed a smaller and less cumbersome Tomahawk launcher, I hope we get that instead of the oversized Typhon
That looks like it uses tactical length cells so it won't fit TLAM, which requires a strike length cell.

>>64448199
>but man, Oshkosh just unvailed a smaller and less cumbersome Tomahawk launcher, I hope we get that instead of the oversized Typhon

may we see the 19 support vehicles that have to accompany it?

>>64459159
>19 support vehicles
Retard.

>>64458257
thanks for the eggsblanation. Ig then the planned Typhon procurement does make sense. I think I'm gonna coom a bit when I see the iron cross on that container.

>>64459435
>self owned again

lmao and a single patriot battery takes something like ~90 crew to manage, and you twerps would argue in sincerity it
>"hurrrrr but it only needs three to operate!!!"

like its some single-use terror weapon or something

>>64458257
>That looks like it uses tactical length cells so it won't fit TLAM, which requires a strike length cell.
>>64460499
>n. Ig then the planned Typhon procurement does make sense. I think I'm gonna coom a bit when I see the iron cross on that container.
it makes zero fucking sense

why wouldnt they just get
>(((pic related))) instead?

who the fuck wants 19 fucking semi trucks and 90 person convoy per launch effect?

>you just take autonomous-terror4x4 and shift that baby into *D* and let her do the work! ez!

explain to me this logic??? hmmm?
why would anyone get the semi truck anymore?

>>64450270
The Square Colosseum is not in the same league

>>64465736
meant for
>>64450322

>>64448158 (OP)
>What are they planning?
Nothing dont worry about it.

>>64448244
It may be dawning upon Winnie the Pooh that oh bother, maybe I should just go back to eating sweet American honey in my treehouse.
Republic of China is just a hornet's nest, after all.
And Russia is a sour, rotten Eeyore.

>>64450330
There's something about those right angles...Can't quite put my finger on it...

>>64450322
Aha, so that's where this building comes from...
Man, TITUS (1999) was a good movie adaptation of the play.

Typhoon