Thread 64451962

Currently made chambered in 7.62x51 NATO as a marksman rifle and 5.56 as PDW.
Now that everything is still up in the air and nothing is certain what should be the caliber for a an assault rifle version be?
Personally I vote for Remington 6.8 SPC.
It's got strengths of all and weaknesses of none.

>>64451962 (OP)
>Now that everything is still up in the air and nothing is certain what should be the caliber for a an assault rifle version be?
>everything is still up in the air and nothing is certain
https://puolustusvoimat.fi/en/-/1950813/the-finnish-defence-forces-to-shift-to-using-nato-standard-calibres-for-new-small-arms

>>64451962 (OP)
6.5 Grendel.

>>64451962 (OP)
Literally gonna be 5.56 for the carbine. We are too poor to have literally any other choice
T:finlandese

>>64452037
>too poor
Finland literally produces a fuck ton of high quality 7.62x35mm ammunition every year.
Why not 6.8mm SPC instead?

>>64452042
*7.62x39

>>64452042
FDF wants a proven round that can be imported in bulk fast from anywhere.

>>64452062
Still has been quite comfortable for multiple decades without one.

>>64451992
Yeah, seriously, what are the odds of posting this on the VERY DAY they confirm the calibres

Either retarded or wants thread engagement, but I'll bite for fun. 6.8spc is retarded and you should feel bad. No i will not elaborate as a self evident truth requires no such thing

>>64452062
people forget or are too stupid to realize in the first place, that the very point of an assault rifle, especially one in 5.56, is that it is the absolute bare minimum fire power that you can give to a soldier and expect him to come back.

this guy shouldn't feel too bad about it, apparently the US brass also forgot that part around the same time Ron Cohen started licking their taint and pressing his finger against their asshole

>>64451962 (OP)
Where are Finland's massive reserves of 7.62x39 gonna go? Ukraine? Moldova?

>>64452612
To the wartime stockpile. Nobody outside the border jagers / urban jagers / spec ops is going to be seeing a M23 until 2030 at the earliest. A more realistic time scale for fully replacing all the RK's is 2040.

>>64452647
Jesus, really? They're just small arms. Does it really take Finland that long to make what are essentially AR-15's?

>>64452657
No but small indie country and the economy is in the dumpster

6.8 spc is a failed cartridge that was not adopted anywhere. OP is a retard.

>>64452657
See : >>64452660

But also, despite what flat-range OOPERATORS and mall ninjas on youtube will tell you, 7.62x39 kills you just as dead as any other bullet, and the truth of the matter is that 95% of casualties in war comes from indirect fire and thus it doesn't matter what the infantry grunts are suppressing the enemy with. The only real reason we're replacing the RK's at all is because the military is running out of spare parts to fix the old guns with, and since we need to set up new manufacturing anyway, why the fuck not just switch to the AR for the better ergonomics?

>>64452711
>7.62x39 kills you just as dead as any other bullet
I get that, but I'd think that Finland would want to switch in a more timely manner to better integrate themselves into the NATO supply chain, and also for the political optics.
Estonia did it.

>>64452752
Estonia has like one tenth the rifles to begin with

>>64452763
Fair enough. 2030 for total replacement still seems absurd.

>>64452657
Finnish general did confirm that rk 62/95 will be in use for our life time. If finnish field army would mobilize and go shoots 3 shots at the shooting range its allmost million rounds. We can only imagine how much 7,62x39 there are in the bunkers and storages. Rk 62 are also in so little use that they basically never wear out. We can expect still to see most forest jaegers and "moose brigades" with old and reliable rk´s.

>>64452062
Ah so they want.... 7.62x39. Fixed the problem.

>>64452798
You missed the "imported from anywhere" part.

>>64452805
Yep. 7.62x39. Its even manufactured in the US!

>>64452711
7.62x39 is great for urban and wooded areas and the rk is a great cold weather firearme da
>>64452752
Its not a huge priority, its happening but slowly. Small arms matter less than vehicles, artillery, datalinks, coms, intel sharing, ect

>>64452770
The first replacement programme was in the 90's with the RK 95 and that never went anywhere and the rifle grenades for it never went into serial production. If they get replaced at all it's a miracle, I think it's more likely we'll get an unholy mess with both rifles in use

>>64452770
You don't understand what a conscript army and total war mean.
The FDF is going to purchase more rifles than the US army is of M7's

>>64451962 (OP)
Quit being a faggot and get it in .308

>>64453001
That's gonna be for the DRM variant

>>64452795
>We can only imagine how much 7,62x39 there are in the bunkers and storages
We ran out of 7,62 after 4 months of daily extended range time (6-12k rounds per man) and had to crack open boxes made in 1964 to keep going. Felt kinda bad to use such fresh ammo instead of old stock we were used to

Some hills are just 7,62 covered by dirt as we had to store it somewhere after artillery shells took all the real storage space

>>64451962 (OP)
.50 Beowulf

>>64451962 (OP)
16" 5.56. enough of this 11.5" faggot shit

>>64453126
We're getting Denuvo rifles?

>>64451962 (OP)
>>64453001
Whole squad gets a 16" .308 w flashpensator

>>64452795
>We can only imagine how much 7,62x39 there are in the bunkers and storages.
Pls sell to the united states to help offset the cost of new equipment adoption

Ty,
Burger

>>64451962 (OP)
>>64452042
6.8 SPC fucking sucks

>>64454612
Nyo :3

>>64454876
Seconded

>6.8SPC

When will this meme die? An intermediate cartridge should be small and light, light recoiling, have a long MPBR, and retain its diminutive energy as best it can until 300 yards.

The correct answer is 5.56, or if I may take the liberty to augment the cartridge, a 5.56 with a shorter case and longer bullet. 6.8SPC is the opposite of this.

>>64456547
6.8SPC was born out of "de stopping powah" fuddlore

>>64454876
it's just not killing better than 3 5.56 to center mass.