Thread 64452402

they're intended to fully replace the ~400 remaining Marders + form an extra reserve

the order hasn't been placed yet but is apparently coming in 2026, cost around 14 bn euros

the Pumas are also said to receive cUAS capability

info based on procurement office sources

https://www.hartpunkt.de/deutsches-heer-soll-ueber-1-000-schuetzenpanzer-puma-bekommen/

>>64452402 (OP)
Useless in the age of drones and especially considering Russia's successful new missile. It would be wrong to dismiss anything out of Russia hatred. Yes, we don't like them but we have to take them very seriously and at this point I'm very concerned about our efforts.

Why do the hans name all their tanks After felinids, and russians After T-#, and americana M#, like the frogs and bongs are more original

>>64452417
dogs would be cool, beagle is a nice name
>hey guys, let's hop in the beagle

>>64452406
da
I is of Frederik from иruges oblast and I agree with this komrad
we not have should poke mighty bear of mother Russia
they have missile so mighty even usa afraid of making in the 60's
I fearing the pipes in my dacha wil burst from ice with lack of Russian gas to keep me hot

>>64452417
Animals are cool I think. Especially felines for tanks.

>>64452417
they are all named after the apex predators of their respective environments

>>64452417
>>M-#

>Sherman
>Chaffee
>Lee
>Pershing
>Sheridan
>Patton
>Abrams
Definitely no sort of naming convention going on here anon

>>64452462
For americana i want refering to only tanks but more generaly the M4, M16, M2, M1 Abram, etc

>>64452452
>they are all named after the apex predators of their respective environments
Strange, ive never seen a russian tank called "the Beria" or "the Chechen"

>>64452406
What a pleasant surprise to see you here, Frau Zarenknecht.

>>64452417
>Why do the hans name all their tanks After felinids
the tradition started with the tiger, initially an informal nickname because it was ridiculously large and heavily gunned for its time
then they named the panther because it had the same engine as the tiger but weighted 10 tons less, so they named it panther because it was leaner and more agile

> and russians After T-#, and americana M#,
T and M are both just model numbers
the US started naming their vehicles after generals due to the influence of the british, who dubbed the M3 as the lee and modified M3s as the grant to tell them apart from each other and the tradition continued

the germans also had a generic numerical naming scheme, the panzerkampfwagen Is through VIII
they dropped it in favor of just using the nickname as the model number
so kampfwagen leopard 1 and 2
it helps that armored vehicles arent replaced by new models nearly as quickly, so there isnt much need for a generic model number naming system

>frogs and bongs
french used the AMX-number naming scheme for most of the cold war and only dropped it with the leclerc
british still use the FV-number naming scheme for vehicles, with the challenger 2 being FV4034

>>64452470
But there was the IS series

>>64452406
I am John Lutheran of Missouri Oblast. The USN needs to do more to protect our warm water port at New Orleans. We shouldn't waste our navy protecting the homosexual Europoors.

Why did naming system using the Western calendar decline in the West?

>>64452402 (OP)
Puma?

>>64452402 (OP)
God, I love the Puma so fucking much. Lynx is overrated.

Wouldn't it be better to buy like 500 GMARS or HIMARS?

>>64453149
IFVs and MLRS serve different purposes

>>64452423
British named a bunch of their armoured patrol vehicles after dogs. Mastiff, foxhound, wolfhound, Ridgeback and husky etc

>>64452610
The greatest threat to russians has always been another russian, so it tracks

>>64452406
>shids and pizzes all over your shaneed waves
Keinen Problemen mein Rußnegger.

>>64452417
Bongs literally call all their vehicles "Fighting Vehicle number X". Challenger, Scimitar, Centurion etc are all just nicknames.

Did you know bongs pronounce them "Pyumers"?

>>64453149
Euro PULS (krautified license produced Israeli Elbit MLRS) is on the wishlist too for the German army
>>64453128
Lynx is cool too, just less advanced and cheaper

>>64453128
I like them both, desu.

>>64452713
>>64452452
>named after the apex predators
If we ever build a mech it shall be called Mensch-Maschine

>>64452402 (OP)
where is Germany getting this money, or even the energy to run the factories?

VW just went broke and last I checked the biggest corps in Germany are all BS crap like "luxury brand" (now made in China) and various fake shell corps owning other shells.

>>64455389
>where is Germany getting this money
From their tax income, taken from the largest economy in Europe, one that btw makes somewhere around three times as much money as Russia does.

>or even the energy to run the factories?
Their very intact and functioning power generation infrastructure? What kind of retarded question is that, even?

>VW just went broke
[citation needed]

Oh wait, I remember. Isn't this is some cope story that's making the rounds in Russia right now? Somethign about some zigger court and a buncha vultures trying to declare VW insolvent for ceasing operations in Russia? Despite, you know, VW not having any assets within jurisdiction of russian courts anymore, making any such verdict completely fucking meaningless.

>and last I checked
Try checking a source that isn't blatant and retarded zigger propaganda next time, dumbass.

>>64455389
>last I checked the biggest corps in Germany are all BS crap like "luxury brand" (now made in China) and various fake shell corps owning other shells.
Germany and the rest of Europe make a shitload of stuff under names and companies you have never heard of and don't need to know of because if you know of them you're already in some specific industry. Nothing Europe or Germany does is flashy or trumpeted.

>>64453466
i want this t. cv9030

>>64452402 (OP)
Half the order will be cancelled anyway

>>64452406
I am CoolJohnny Kingburger from Sydney oblast USA. Is of shame that the washchingon duma spend so many money on war on spoiltly euronazis. We have so many problems here like wayward negro cannot even gets their potato and there is no oils to cook hamburger byeefsteak in this frosty Miami winter because of russian gaz shut off. Come let us join and form patriotkommisariat and giv write piece of minds letter to fatcats wasting taxruble in Lokxeed-Myartin and Ryathëon wunderwaffe provoking Rossia without causes.

>>64455969
Lel thats from that L70 prono vid. That's what got the Koreans to select the Bofors 40mm for the K21.

>>64455389
Maybe they finaly managed to get the turkish expats to pay taxes

>>64452417
Because countries that don't use uniform type designation systems are legitimately savage retards that don't deserve the hardware they dare to lay their wretched claws on. Nicknames come second after official designation, not first.
Also, the British and other countries do in fact designate their equipment like that, (Challenger 2 is FV4034), it's just not frequently mentioned. Moreover, most US tanks that saw service did have names, the M60 and M103 were exceptions.

>>64456189
in an inversion, the M10 was designated the wolverine but it was never actually called that in the field
everyone who used it called it either M10 or TD, but never wolverine

>>64456175
Ok gook

>>64455389
>or even the energy to run the factories?
German energy prices haven't been crazy for a while.

Imagine the seething if they donated the old machines to Ukraine

>>64452402 (OP)
Given the massive losses of Russian armored forces and their inability to replace them (and the dubious quality of designs alleged to fill said replacement) isn't the armor build up of Germany and Poland somewhat redundant?

>>64452423
Germany does name their support vehicles after canines: Boxer, Fenneck, Dingo

>>64458203
>(and the dubious quality of designs alleged to fill said replacement)

>>64455389
Germany imports tons of coal, oil and gas from overseas. There was a short moment after the russian chimpout that gas was short, but LPG terminals were built quickly and the problem was solved.
Pic related (electricity only).

>>64458256
Then there's industrial process heat (lots of gas since then replaced with oil), home heating (~50% gas).
A lot of russian gas was replaced with american gas. But there was also a lot from norway and the netherlands, which is still flowing.

Stupid sexy Puma. Best looking ifv out there.

>>64458256
Merkel fucked Germany for a generation with that retarded kneejerk reaction to Fukushima.
I hope that bitch goes down in history as a Chamberlain-esque figure.

>>64458203
It's not redundant for Lebensraum 2.0.

>>64458785
Nuclear energy was never much more than 10% of primary energy production. (Also phasing out nuclear energy was a broad consensus at the time.)
What she DID fuck us with was opening the floodgates in 2015, but again, broad consensus. Germany took a long time to even admit that not wanting infinite muslims is an allowed, non-nazi position to have.

>>64452417
Da, comrade. The Russian Bear is our friend and we should accept its rule over us. There is not other way.

>>64452406
Aloha fellow yanks, can't agree more. Us bro dudes here in Hawaii just want make surfing and no be blown up by Russia and mighty China, i love wave but Posiden nuclear wave too big even for huge surf board like in Obama pants!!

>>64452402 (OP)
>the Pumas are also said to receive cUAS capability
What sort?

>>64458972
Rapefugees welcome is still a broad consensus. Merz saying that open borders has degraded the security immediately faced broad protests.

>>64460015
there's an upgrade package to turn the RCT30 turret into something like a Skyranger light

https://www.hartpunkt.de/drohnenabwehr-kit-fuer-puma-turm-ermoeglicht-bekaempfung-von-drohnenschwaermen/

>>64458972
>>64460048
weapons board, stfu

>>64458203
Europe beating the piss out of Russia was never in doubt, but it would still cause damage in europe and kill europeans. So the build up is to ensure that Russia actually fucking gets it that they have no chance. Otherwise they will do dumb shit as we have already seen in Ukraine. The Russian cannot be trusted with decision making and will choose actions that make everyone miserable including Russia. Of course the best option would be TZD as death is the state in which the Russian does not commit warcrimes and other atrocities.

>>64460095
I always wondered why they decided to send Boxers with the rct 30 insted of the skyranger module to ukraine to pair them with the rch155.

Maybe they just want to test it live.

>>64461152
if all the Pumas and all the Jackals (Boxer+RCT30) will have anti-drone capability + hundreds of Skyranger 30s, Germany will have pretty solid shorad capability again in some years
I think this square module on top here in pic related is part of the upgrade system

>>64458203
Actually that sort of assault vehicle with automatic AA capable gun that can provide air defense "bubble" against drones is very needed on today's battlefield.
Otherwise how your infantry is supposed to operate run around Benny Hill style chased by FPV drones?
Shotguns and man portable jammers are cope, only vehicles have enough payloadand power generation to carry real counters.

What's the difference between Puma and Lynx?

>>64461494
The Puma is the Porsche and the Lynx is the Volkswagen.

>>64460095
Strategic energy supply is war relevant.

>>64461549
>>64461494
and both are equally unrealiable as sin

>>64462119
Yes ivan, all german weaponry is unreliable and in disrepair. Don't worry, nothing bad will happen when you invade europe.

>>64452470
kek

>>64462119
Considering that the Ukrainians are going to order the Lynx as their main IFV with local production to help fill out what many think will be an estimated of 3 thousand, I don't think either the Lynx or Puma are as unreliable as you claim

>>64461549
Puma was built for the specific requirements of the Bundeswehr (which included a very high level of protection for an IFV, hence it's a pretty heavy vehicle), with little mind paid to export orders or making the design able to be modified beyond those specific requirements. Which could as a result be put higher than what would be feasible on a more modular plattform.

Lynx meanwhile took a few lessons from Puma and makes use of a bunch of already existing components, while being designed to be more modular and flexible, so that export customers can further adapt it to their specific needs.

>>64452402 (OP)
laughs in french

>>64452470
kek

>>64462180
>>64462885
oh anon, time will tell I am right

>>64452462
Weren't the WW2 names originally coined by the Brits?

>>64452402 (OP)
Puma was the gold plated fully specced out elite design in 2010 when the army still shrinking and Germany still had some money. Its also had a lot of expensive updates. I wonder how realistic this is.

>>64466617
>and Germany still had some money
...wat?

>>64466617
>Germany still had some money
There only two major western countries with a favorable net international investment position and a tenable debt-to-gdp ratio: South Korea and Germany.

>>64466617
Germany still has money.

>>64466617
>Germany still had some money.
Bro. Germany could spend fuckton of money if it has to.

Any vehicle without srs anti drone protection is useless nowadays

>>64468203
>muh drones
Leave, tourist.

>>64452406
They only mock you because they have no argument. They have built an echo chamber. We should avoid that. Criticism is healthy and not toxic. This way we won't be able to defeat Russia and China who seem to be earning from mistakes.

>>64468951
Don't samefag this obviously, tourist.

>>64468991
>>64452406
>>64468951
Fuck off

>>64452479
>only dropped it with the leclerc
Wasn't the Leclerc called AMX56 in the initial design blueprints?

>>64469223
Oh, now the ziggie's mad.

>>64452402 (OP)
But who will man them?

>>64468899
Keep coping

>>64469647
>projection
Oh, you're the butthurt zigger from the other threads? LMAO.

>>64469665
I enjoy Russians/Russia getting rekt more than anyone on this board or /uhg/. Keep coping

>>64470341
Well, that confirms it.

I think the Puma is sexo

>>64467953
>>64468154
>>64468162
>Have money
No, they're just like everyone else now. Pic related, their new normal (yield curve).

1000 built in 10 years, 1000 destroyed in a month by the Russians if it ever came to it. Look what happened to the other Wunderwaffles like Abrahams, Challenger, F16, Leopard, Himars, PHZ, the list goes on

>64472644
delusion posting won't bring your pumping station back vadim

>>64472661
Meanwhile in reality: khohols resorting to desparwtion suf drops with Wunderwaffle helicopters immediately getting wiped outbxD

>>64472638
>new German government decides rearmament program worth €100bn+ in the short term and much more in the medium term
>this new debt issuance leads to slight changes in bond yields but still leaving them hundreds of basis points below those of the US, UK or France
>somehow this proves Germany has no money
Are you retarded or something?

>>64472779
And how much of thst is real economy? Western countries nowadays don't produce anything they just push numbers from. One computer pc to the next one lul you're in for a rude awakening when China and Russia get serious, they have the oil, the rare earth, the steel, the manpower, they don't have 70% foreign hostile nationals in their country

>>64472779
>>64472809
Government pays 10000 euro special relief fund to ahmed after he is traumatized from having been issued official warning after he had sexual Emergency with a local fraulein and then Ahmed goes and buys Louis Vuitton bag worth 10000 euro bam suddenly German economy grew 20k lol

>64472673
>Wunderwaffle helicopters
>second hand black hawks equivalent are lostech in puccia
sad!

>>64472809
> Western countries nowadays don't produce anything
The goes on to mention Russia who actually produces nothing
>>64472818
Just accept that you were wrong about Germany not having any money, this seething is just pathetic

>>64472809
>And how much of thst is real economy?
Again: Are you retarded or something?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Complexity_Index#Country_Rankings

>>64472809
>Western countries nowadays don't produce anything
Western countries nowadays produce EVERYTHING, thirdie. Parts of production for cheap consumer shit being outsourced does not actually change that.

>muh oil
US alone has reserves aplenty already, and OPEC isn't about to turn on its largest customers., retard.

>muh rare earth
China is losing its market share as we speak.

>muh steel
The west has more than enough of that.

>muh manpower
LMAO.

>foreign hostile nationals
You mean like Chechens? Why is it always projection with you thirdie subhumans?

>>64452406
>Russia's successful new missile
did they retake kherson?

>>64470519
>Well, that confirms it.
That you are coping, yes.

>>64473177
>>64472929
>>64472849
>>64472673
>>64472826
Joke's on you, I was merely pretending to be retarded.