Thread 64453028

Original shrike patents are expired. Multiple shops are tooling up to make straight up clones of the MCR or even more budget oriented options. Fightlite themselves are now making budget uppers to stay competitive. Anyone gonna buy one? Personally I'm waiting for one of the MCR clones or a piston version of the Ligma Six.

>>64453028 (OP)
What's the point

>>64453033
You see Sergei, with magazine, you can of the shooting for eh, a little while. With belt, you can of the shooting forever.

>>64453033
Crime and stuff.

is there a reason to choose the Lima Six belt fed design over the older MCR or Fightlite?

Piston versions would be cool. Gonna wait until the uppers aren't expensive as hell though

>>64453041
What Hollywood movie gave you that idea?

>>64453078
It's a lot cheaper. That's the only reason. It's pretty much worse in every way. Missing lots of little quality of life features, no quick change barrels, and currently DI only so it heats up fast. But it is a lot cheaper. Even the cheapest MCR clone will probably be at least $1k more. The only real advantage to the Ligma is it uses modified AR barrels so barrel availability (and price) is much better.

>>64453099
hell yeah, seems worth it

>>64453033
The point was modularity. It was all the rage back in the days of disco. Just like disco, desperate people always try to bring it back. And, just like disco, it remains dead.

>>64453240
The military sure seems to think belt fed is worthwhile.

64453303
fuck off you dumb piece of shit

64453323
Kill yourself you stupid faggot. Belt fed is extremely useful. And in an age where anyone can be Super Safe, Farty Sharty, or print a variety of devices in minutes that will get your dog shot on their amazon special plastic humidifiers velt feds are hitting the civilian market in a big way.

>>64453033
FRTs exist now.

>>64453323
nigger

>>64453323 meant for >>64453303
>>64453343 meant for >>64453323

>>64453828
Thanks anon very useful

>>64453041
civilians about to find out what happens when you have a thin barrel and closed bolt

>>64453028 (OP)
kek he said ligma
>>64453041
>>64453078
>>64453082
>>64453099
>>64453240
Now my question is, what sort of links do the belts use? Are they reusable or easily obtainable? Would they use STANAG pattern links? I'm not familiar with belt feds

>>64454792
>what sort of links do the belts use
Standard M27 disintegrating links used on the SAW.
>probably want a couple of starter tabs too

>>64453028 (OP)
We used the Mk46 at my old job and like OP pic, I’ve always wanted one of these. Then I have a reason to have nutsack in my search history.

>>64454928
You can 3d print starter tabs

>>64453028 (OP)
>belt fed
>closed bolt
lmao

>>64453099
>>64453028 (OP)
Hot damn I looked up the Lima Six after reading this thread and it looks cool as shit. From what I've read by the designer on other forums they're working on a quick change version, so it might be worth holding out for a MKII though. M27 links are also available on fuddbroker

>>64453028 (OP)
>mfw La'quarius does a drive by with a belt fed PSA SBR while Ty'quando helps guide the belt

>>64456031
They'll ship it with Inconel tubes but an (external) piston system would be nice too.

>>64455961
The HK21 is one of the best GPMG ever made and its a closed bolt system. Testing has proven that you need to fire over 1000 rounds in an unbroken link to get cook offs. If you are putting over 1,000 rounds down range before barrel swapping than you simply are retarded. But yeah the open bolt system is so much better. Thats why the m249 SAWs are a 10moa gun.

>>64457751
I watched a video last night of people testing the Lima and they had cookoffs after about 250 rounds, but that's on a closed bolt fixed barrel gun. If they come out with a quick change barrel option I think I may have to get one.

>>64458154
Quick change plus piston conversion and it will be fuckin cherry. A real viable alternative to the MCR. Everything else is pretty minor QOL things you can live without.

>>64453033
funny jam-o-matics but mostly will be rental range toys.

>>64459280
god m9k was such ass i cant believe almost every gmod server still uses that shit

>>64459289
fuck you faggot m9k is was and always will be kino

>>64453028 (OP)
>Fightlite themselves are now making budget uppers to stay competitive
>$5k
Show me the budget upper.

>>64456085
My nigga, the SAW is an individual weapon, and your bitch ass shouldn't need an AG. Carry that shit all by your bad self and lay down that fire, you hear?

>>64459465
ok neverserved

>>64457751
>>64458154
>Clamp a big ass heatsink to the barrel
>No more cook offs
Simple as

>>64459626
He's right. The SAW doesn't move with an AG. The only exception is putting it on a tripod.

>>64453033
more shooty

>>64459329
Budget is a relative term mind you.
https://fightlite.com/dfx-dual-feed-conversion-upper-receiver

>>64453033
they're unironically california legal

>>64453033
Fun, novelty, and recreation

>>64460022
lol, man ,this link is not work

>>64461484
The fuck? Works for me man.

>>64461636
I just can't see paying 4k to have to spend money on buying link chain.

If you can afford to feed a belt fed, you can afford to pony up a little more for a 249S instead of one of these cope toys.

>>64459971
I'll be honest I have never in my entire career seen a SAW tripod. Do they even exist?

The Lima 6 dude also said he wants to eventually make a .308 variant for purchase as well. We could have civilian 240's for under 10 grand. What a time to be alive. Personally I'll probably get the lima 6 just because a belt fed weapon is cool as shit and despite it's faults, it still seems to run fairly well and if you're not a fucking chimp and going cyclic every time you use it, it shouldn't give too many problems.

>>64462188
249S would be fucken awesome, I really should have bought one before my state went silly. Cope uppers is what I have to live with now. Something about it going from a four figure gun to five figure puts it in car territory in my mind though.

>>64462188
M249s, 12moa, semi only

Cope upper, 3moa at most, FRT or registered lower.

Yeah that cope upper sure is shitty.

>>64462650
>I'll be honest I have never in my entire career seen a SAW tripod. Do they even exist?
Yes. I have seen them used a single time.

>>64463340
MCR is more useful when configured as a completely legal civilian firearm. M249S is better for collecting though as it's the real deal. Also, if we're being retarded and imagining pretend scenarios where you'd want a belt fed for something other than blasting at a mound of dirt, it's extremely easy to crime it back to its fully open bolt glory.

>>64461636
>4k on a fucking AR Upper
Unless you plan on converting the entire rifle into an ASW, I don't understand why you would buy this when you just have to wait for cheaper alternatives

>>64463550
How is a M249s easy to modify from a Semi auto closed bolt to a full auto open bolt... Its not as easy as you might think. With that said, no one is collecting M249s's. They are pure copium and a waste of money. The best thing about the M249s is how it looks on your wall.

>>64463717
They basically just cut the bolt carrier in two so it has a giant fuckin striker held by the sear on a separate spring. Now what would happen if it was no longer two pieces?

>>64453041
sir, your Type 11 LMG?

>>64459971
>AG
Literally only the united states are such pissweak faggot bitches that they still use the concept of an "assistant gunner"
>every country which issues a variant of the PKM
individual weapons system
>every single country which issues the FN MAG
individual weapons system
>every single country which issues the MG3
individual weapons system

>>64453033
More dakka less dolla

>>64464773
Literally only the United States has landed on the moon, every other pissweak faggot bitch nation hasn't so your argument, such as it is, is invalid.

>>64464784
You gullible faggot you actually believe the moon is real?

>>64453364
I'm slow at changing mags though

>>64464792
The moon isn't real retard, but the US did land on it

Best barrel length and type for a belt fed AR? I got in the pre-order for the lima6 build kit. Im thinking about an 18 or 20" heavy barrel. It will be on a SBR lower so I could always go the short route. Faxon has a 20" fluted barrel I was eyeing.

>>64464773
A machine gun crewed by two or 3 guys has more firepower than a machine gunner running solo and the extra guys with a regular rifle. Americans don't do it because they're weak or stupid, they do it because they've probably killed more people with machine guns than everyone else and know what works best. Between the weight of the weapon, the weight of the ammo, and accessories like bipods and extra barrels, they are absolutely not as maneuverable as an average grunt and it's kind of dumb to expect them to be. Also, the firepower and suppressive ability provided by the machine gun is incredibly disproportionate to the one guy using it so if he goes down, it's exceedingly important for the success and safety of everyone else to have the gun up again as soon as possible.

To be fair I don't expect your average person without infantry training and experience to understand it but you just have to remember World War 1. The machine gun alone drastically changed warfare and it's never been the same. MGs are just that important.

>>64465075
If you're serious, I'd get a heavy profile, chrome lined barrel. From someone reputable like Rosco. Length is w/e but I like 16 so that's what I would get.

>>64465131
I was looking at the Faxon https://faxonfirearms.com/faxon-match-series-heavy-fluted-20-rifle-length-223-wylde-ar15-barrel/ mainly due to not having an AR with 20" barrel. I like the idea of loading up a belt with m193

>>64465075
Get 2x heavy barrel in a 20" 1/8 twist. Heavy barrels take longer to heat up, the 20" adds a lot of velocity to the 5.56 which you will want for reaching out to distance. With how cheap AR barrels are theres no reason to only have 1 barrel. Because of how cheap barrels are Id also grab a 14.5 fluted for shits and giggles.

>>64465352
Faxon are Criterion barrels. I have a 1/8 twist pencil for my M16. Its one of the best barrels Ive ever shot out of my ARs. Reason I say go 1/8 is because it tends to be damn accurate with 55s and 77s. 1/9 and 1/7s tend to be more accurate with 55s or 77s (respectively) but less accurate with 77s or 55s.

>>64464773
Ammo is heavy, junior. If you want to use a machinegun like an actual fucking machinegun instead of a heavier carbine, you need lots of ammo. The basic combat load for a GPMG varies but it's typically 1500-2400 rounds.

22-25lb for the gun and optics
12lb for the tripod (if you aren't using this you may as well use a SAW, it's another unglamorous but essential item for actual competent machinegunnery)
105 to 168 pounds of ammunition
= about 200 pounds total

You are not going to keep up with the rest of your unit reacting to indirect fire, drones, or simply moving around on foot through a forest with 200 extra pounds of equipment stacked on your back unless you are a space marine.

>>64464773
I'm sorry bitch nigga. I can't hear you over my fire superiority. Big fella be like
>hurr durr me so strong I carry tons
Then my gun team spitroasts you while the maneuver element bukake's all over your foreign, moist-ass, half-stepping, cock-sucking, no-interior-plumbing-having-ass, bitch-ass face.

>>64465039
>>64464792
The moon is real, but it is infested with flesh-eating rape rabbits. That's why we haven't gone back.

It was always my dream to combine an MCR upper with an SCR lower

>>64453033
magazines SUCK