Thread 64458167

Is it true that if you're using 10mm you don't need to practice trigger discipline?

>>64458167 (OP)
Yeah

If you're using 10mm, the rules don't apply to you. You're the main character. You have plot armor. Go do a crime

>>64458185
Or get knocked on the head, proceed to actually run a criminal organization for a protracted period of time, have it written off as an "oopsie" and somehow keep your badge afterwards anyway.

>>64458196
He was too useful to the glowies, and that's why they were so pissed at the end.

>>64458167 (OP)
You should always be ready to fire if you need to, trigger discipline is for crayon munching retards that cant be trusted to not shoot themselves in the face while holding a gun
>ALWAYS LOADED ALWAYS ALWAYSSSS AAAGGGHHHHHH

>>64458167 (OP)
yep
it's like bmw drivers and signal lights
they're there, and you can use them if you wish, but you're absolutely not forced to

>>64458167 (OP)
Yes, it's true, also if you're carrying .44 magnum: it doesn't matter if you shoot 5 times or 6; the punk won't feel lucky.

>>64458167 (OP)

But that's a .45...

>>64459464
Source?

Trigger discipline is a meme made up by Jeff "Reddit" Cooper. Chads recognize the importance of always being ready to rock and roll
>>64459675
It's common knowledge retard

for some reason the team in the original rainbow six novel used 10mm MP5s

>>64459745
the fallout games use it too. as a yuropoor i always wondered if 10mm is just more common in the states or if its just a weird design choice.

>>64459982
10mm has been on the shelf of every gun store I've been to for the last 30 years but I wouldn't call it common.

Selection is often limited to one brand and it's always ovepriced.

>>64458167 (OP)
it's true that trigger discipline is a fairly recent invention, yes.

you probably don't have the beligerant self-preservation instinct of everyone early gen-x and before, so you should continue to practice trigger discipline.

>>64459745
>>64459982
10mm mp5s used to have straight magazines. what's interesting is that the sas teams that went into the iranian embassy carried mp5s with straight magazines. could have something to do with it.

>>64458167 (OP)
I will never understand why people think this pistol looks so cool, it's one of the ugliest pistols I've ever seen

>>64458167 (OP)
You're confusing causation and correlation. If you are an elite shooter/firearms practitioner, you don't need to worry about trigger discpling. The only people who use 10mm are elite practitioners. Elgo, 10mm shooters often don't bother with trigger discipling.

>>64458185
What if you use 11mm?

>>64459745
>>64459982
>>64460417
The FBI chose to adopt 10mm as their new cartridge in the late 80's. It didn't last long because their interest led to .40 S&W being announced basically as soon as they adopted 10mm, the guns they bought having some issues and both 9mm and .40 being much more sensible options in the end. Rainbow Six probably chose them because the FBI HRT had bought the 10mm MP5 variant and liked them a lot, and have supposedly been quite precious about them since they went out of production.
Plus if your game is already going to feature the MP5, which it is if you're making a counter-terrorism themed tactical shooter around Y2K, it's basically a freebie to add the 10mm variant.
In Fallout's case, the cartridge was specifically chosen to be a common round because one of the devs saw it as good alt timeline fodder, something that exists in the real world but never quite seemed to take off like it could've.

>>64464370
>the guns they bought having some issues
Bingo, if the Bren Ten, Colt Delta Elite, and S&W 1006 series guns weren't manufactured with so many problems, then the round might've taken off. However, every LE organization that gave 10mm a try after the FBI hated the guns it was chambered in.

>>64458196
god the later seasons were fucking retarded. The first 2-3 were legit some of the best television ever made and then it just turned into proto ncis with ridiculous terrorist plots and foreign spies and shit

yes but only because the ammunition is so expensive your mind will prevent you from pulling the trigger accidentally because you can't afford to be putting bullets in walls.

>>64465607
>It failed because it wasn't REAL 10mm
>It failed because they weren't REAL shooters
>It failed because they weren't REAL 10mm handguns
The advanced cope surrounding 10mms mediocrity is hilarious

>>64460417
Earlier 9mm magazines were straight too. IIRC they added the curve in to increase reliability at some point.

>>64458167 (OP)
Yep, because you're too broke to actually afford ammo after buying a bren ten

>>64459745
>for some reason
Because it was badass. Also probably because it was the latest greatest thing. I've always liked the look with the straight poly magazine myself and afaik it's also the only MP5 to ever have a bolt hold open like an AR, something I think should've been added to the whole line at least as an option.

Also I think the /10 appeared in the games as well as the novel, and may have been the default weapon for the characters from the novel like Ding. It's been an extremely long time since I played the original R6 though so I could be mixing stuff up.

10mm failed commercially because of Colt and their militant fudd loyalists insisting on shoehorning the cartridge into a frail and fragile borderline antique pistol, originally designed for a cartridge explicitly intended to mirror the performance and pressures of a black powder revolver from the civil war era.

>>64465708
Handguns aside, I'd like to see how it actually handles in a 10mm MP5. I could see it doing quite well.

>>64465708
Has it not occured to you that there are multiple different people here.
>It failed because it wasn't REAL 10mm
I haven't said this, there are good 10mm loads out there.
>It failed because they weren't REAL shooters
I haven't said this in this thread, but yes, users can be weak. It's the same reason many revolver buyers will get a .357 Magnum handgun and only shoot .38 SPL out of it.
>It failed because they weren't REAL 10mm handguns
Plenty of bad handgun designs have influenced the market. One of the reasons that 9mm took longer to get popular in the US was that the Browning Hi-Power couldn't take the hot loads that the Luger, Walther, and MP-40 could take without falling apart, so everyone here in the US thought it was a super anemic round.

>>64465764
>Colt and their militant fudd loyalists insisting on shoehorning the cartridge into a frail and fragile borderline antique pistol
The first production 10mm guns were the Bren Ten (CZ-75 clone), not the Colt Delta Elite. The "antique pistol" had fewer problems than the new design.

>>64463968
You called?

Reddit finger in general is a sign that you're deeply cucked.

Pro-tip: don't shoot things that you don't intend to shoot.

>>64465708
It never failed. 10mm is simply niche, and misunderstood. It's niche is full-size autoloaders, which have gone out of favor. But even in that realm it has to compete with 5.7, 9, 45, 460, ect.

It's misunderstood because the majority of people think that the only appeal is the full power loads, which are both expensive and uncommon. The actual appeal to the cartridge is VERSATILITY. Just like 357/38 Special and 44 mag/44 special, you don't have to shoot the full power loads. You simply have the option. Also even the "weak" stuff(range loads are consistently slightly hotter than the comparable. 40 load, look it up nigger, god I hate that rumor)tends to shoot pretty nice due to the guns being a fullsize more often than not.

And most guns can straight up shoot .40 without a conversion barrel.

It's a good round. Unfortunately the fullsize autoloader niche is so small that anyone even bothering out of curiosity gets something more interesting.

>>64458183
Fpbp

>>64459675
Easily searchable, you AI-brained loser. Sonny's gun was a .45 because they only had access to .45 blanks.

http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id5.html

>>64458167 (OP)
redditfinger exists nowhere on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

>>64466249
>umm .40 is shit ackshually
>btw 10mm guns can fire .40 too, 10mm is so cool
why are 10mm fags like this?

>>64472570
NTA, but .40 S&W would be more popular if it wasn't rapidly destroying most of the guns it came in. Most people see a gun. chambered to fire a specific round and expect it to be built to last that round.

>>64458167 (OP)
No but "Terry's Law", "nothing is illegal when you're on fuckin CRACK", is.

>>64464370
https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgottenWeapons/comments/1jmuzew/fbi_swat_team_member_with_the_10mm_variant_of_the/

This supports the love angle. Sorry but yeah Reddit.

>>64459745
https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/lot-434731.aspx

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1129210686

https://athlonoutdoors.com/article/fbis-most-wanted-10mms/

>>64474999
Makes sense, assuming HK didn't half-arse the conversion it should just be a famously reliable, easy to handle and all around nice SMG in a cartridge with significantly more power behind it when you need to put someone down.
I'm curious how the .40 model compared.

>>64473471
Reality is that if your gun is getting beat up by spec .40 to the point that you'reconstantly performing maintenance on it, you simply have a shit gun.

>>64475895
Correct, with the Beretta PX4 and the USP in .40 as exception all the other .40 guns are shit.

>>64458167 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAIWBTZn0jI

>>64458185
This. Carrying 10mm instantly makes you John Wick. Sorry in advance about your dog :(
>>64463968
If you’re going to be size queen then carry a 37mm flare pistol. 10mm just has that je ne sais quoi

>>64464370
>>64459982
10mm being popular in their alt history timeline is an even weirder choice seeing as Fallout is 50s Retro Futuristic with googie styling. 45acp would be the obvious choice for most popular round, but I don’t think any of the Fallout development team have ever been in the same room as a gun before. For example, the 45 ammo in Fallout 4 is used in the submachine gun, the pipe revolver, and the combat rifle, conflating 45acp, 45Colt, and… 45-70? The handmade from rusty scrap pipe revolver can also be chambered for .308 Winchester and the bolt action hunting rifle can be chambered for .38 special, which are possible things one could do I guess.

>>64480151
>.38 special bolt action
Actually not that stupid of an idea if you suppress it and use one of the really heavy 170grain ish loads. Would be tiny because anything more than an 8” barrel is pointless and it would be super quiet (as far as guns go).

>>64480151
>seeing as Fallout is 50s Retro Futuristic with googie styling
The earlier games [including 3/NV] had a wider combination of 'retro' styles including art deco. Bethesda didn't go full retard with LE EPIC 50'S cartoon art style until after their previous lead artist died [the guy that did the art for 3]. The isometric games had a lot of influence from 80's/90's action movies so they included shit that they thought would be cool and futuristic, like the G11, Jackhammer, 10mm, etc.

>>64466109
Holy fuf it's REAL

You don't need it for .38 super either.

>>64459745
Tom Clancy had a hardon for the 10mm

>>64480151
On the subject of .38 in Fo4, my headcanon has always been that it's actually .38 Super. Maybe the US at some point had a law like Mexico where military cartridges were banned for civilians, or the US's isolationism meant that the domestic .38 Super took the niche that the European 9mm has IRL. It'd explain why it's mostly used in autoloaders ingame, and if you look at the cartridge model it actually is a rimless cartridge that doesn't resemble .38 Special.