Thread 64460260

Are there any major targets that actually could face nuclear bombardment during an exchange in Canada in the modern era? The Russians likely would have gone after oil production in the central provinces but are there any modern targets worth hitting in a modern nuclear exchange?

>>64460260 (OP)
Well thats a random topic, does it concern you?

Not in the initial exhange no.
Initial exchange will be to reduce US, French and UK nuclear capabilities.
This may include hitting Canadian radar sites and military airports however.

>>64460260 (OP)
>The Russians likely would have gone after oil production in the central provinces but are there any modern targets worth hitting in a modern nuclear exchange?
Pretty much everything that they'd also want to hit in the US (radar installations, airfields, ports, etc.) because if Canada is getting nuked then it's only after the US has gotten glassed - the Russians are very aware that Canada is a strong ally of the US and also that if push comes to shove the US will say "either you let us use your ports and airfields or we're going to use them anyway and we're not going to be asking". I doubt that that would happen, though, given the fact that being on good terms with, in proximity to, and strategically valuable to the US is hands-down the best place to be in a nuclear exchange and everyone knows it.

I mean what the fuck would Canada do on their own if they got invaded, much less nuked? Cry to the UN? Stop exporting maple syrup?

>>64460260 (OP)
i think we should nuke the shit out of moscow instead :)

>>64460260 (OP)
Yes plenty
Counter force, CFB Alert in Nunavut is a signals intelligence base, would be one example and CFB Cold Lake, and air force base and the Halifax and Vancouver ports. However Counter value you have a large amount of industrial targets like smelters, refinerys and mines. You've got one of the largest lead zinc smelters in the world, one of the largest uranium mines in the world and some of the largest oil refineries in the world.

>>64460260 (OP)
Russia has like only 1700 deployed weapons. Assuming those all fly it seems like they’ll have to really pick and choose where to strike. There’s American airbases not just in the US but Europe, French airbases, British airbases, command and control centers in all 3, along with all of the nuclear missile silos in the US. Then there’s also nuclear storage facilities. Now there’s targets in Canada to add too, with more bases. Also naval bases for nuclear submarines. Not to mention targets that aren’t specifically military but related to production. 400 minuteman silos alone would use up 800 warheads assuming 2 warheads would be used per silo.

>>64460260 (OP)
Well priority targets are nukes, nuke delivery systems, command sites and signals sites. Then it goes to large military formations/bases, other support systems for nukes related, oil and other industry and in the end the population. First strike would be easier for striking nukes, but if you're responding to a first strike, it might go straight to industry and population, as those air bases and silos and docks are empty now and there's not so much use in nuking empty silos.

So it's kinda who knows. Also, like >>64461022 said, there are no longer 40k nukes in USSR and 20k nukes in USA. I'd expect other WMD's to support those a lot fewer nukes numbers. On European side there would be a lot of short range stuff aimed on anything that raises an intrest.

>>64460260 (OP)
Canada wargamed several exercises during the cold war called Tocsin, and came to the conclusion that while Candian population centers might not specifically be targeted, bomber and ICBM misfires and crashes, as well as fallout from strikes on Canadian military installations would impact the population severely and lead to several million deaths.
It also led to some hilarious situations such as
>the prime minister refusing to play along with the exercise and getting himself immediately killed off so he could go home
>an RCAF ASW patrol plane decided to pretend to kamikaze into a Soviet submarine that was preparing to launch an ICBM, so the exercise planners made the RCAF track down the crew's next of kin in the aftermath of nuclear war to present them with VCs

>>64461945
>>an RCAF ASW patrol plane decided to pretend to kamikaze into a Soviet submarine that was preparing to launch an ICBM
I NEED A GAME FOR THIS NOW

>>64461537
>I'd expect other WMD's to support those a lot fewer nukes numbers
Makarov’s gas attacks on Europe imminent..

>>64460260 (OP)
russians are only going to use nukes on targets that are also nuclear capable because they are much bigger threats... america, germany, italy, france, great britain

>>64461945
>>64461970
>>an RCAF ASW patrol plane decided to pretend to kamikaze into a Soviet submarine that was preparing to launch an ICBM
Fucking beautiful. The brass always preaches "practice how you play", but they always get surprised when people go full send.

>>64461945
>Soviet submarine that was preparing to launch an ICBM
SLBM?

>>64461537
Other WMDs are extremely unreliable. It'd be far better to attempt conventional incendiaries through ballistic missiles (a kind of doctrine I don't think even exists, because nukes exist) rather than chemical weapons (which would probably have limited effect because the minute everyone gets the news that nukes are on their way, then even minor targets would bunker down) or biological weapons (which unless targeted against agriculture would likely do next to nothing, and even then would probably fizzle out fast).
WMDs against military targets are a maybe better option, but they'd be the ones most likely to have defenses against it so that's questionable as well.

>mapleniggers
>value

>>64460260 (OP)
>>64460459
Norad.
>>64460530
>if Canada is getting nuked then it's only after the US has gotten glassed
>Canada is a strong ally of the US
Wrong. for the purposes of a Nuclear exchange, Canada is a part of the United States. As in: Canadian personnel are already fully integrated into the existing chain of command for Nuclear defense and have been for as long as those programs have existed.

>>64461970
>>64462311
turns out I misremembered the source, this was from a different exercise called Bookcheck and the ASW plane died by manually setting a nuclear depth charge to explode on surface contact.

http://civildefencemuseum.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/06-The_Five-Hour-War-The_RCAF_Exercise_Bookcheck_and-_Nuclear_War_1960-1963_e.pdf

>>64463701
I’m gonna ignore this and remember the cooler version

Any of you knows the novel Resurrection Day? Cuban Missile Crisis went hot, lead to an all-out nuclear strike. Anyways I think it was in this novel where - very briefly - the writer described the air war over the canadian prairies. American and Canadian interceptors vs. Soviet bombers.
It was only a few sentences but man that shit was deep, like
>The vast canadian prairies were covered in burning parts of soviet bombers and american fighters while in the air a desperate battle went on.
Now imagine, at least before ICBMs and SLBMs became the default way to lob warheads, a huge aerial battle over an area from the fucking north pole down to the US-Canada border.
And below them are only a few thousand souls. The rest just miles and miles of landscape and nothing. Almost poetic

>>64460260 (OP)
Back in the day there were BMEWS assets in Canada, airbases for interceptor aircraft and eventually BOMARC missile sites that would be valid targets though mostly as a means of facilitating bomber ingress to the US over the arctic circle

This feels relevant

https://youtu.be/dl4yW_X5xsk

>when the shadow people come to teach you about nuclear war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhj8nNjPhU

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>>64464161
you should read Cuban Missile War

>>64460260 (OP)
>winnipeg more potential than oil country/sask (the worlds largest field)/BC forestry
The chugs living rent free in redmanitoba ain't transporting shit.
Furthermore, I believe Toronto and Ottawa must be destroyed.

>>64460931
side note, would places like Prince Rupert or Kitimat potentially face attack during such an exchange as they are major deep water ports for energy export.

>>64469047
>>when the shadow people come to teach you about nuclear war

Well you can't say project manhattan without Tan Hat Man

>>64469639
Yes because they can be considered economic targets.

>>64464161
Hey what about the bears asshole? Think they like that?